PR stunt or not, the biggest PR victory would have been figuring out a way to make it happen. in that regard i think he gave it his best shot. and a guy with his skills taking a shot at it is a hell of alot better than tweeting thoughts and prayers.
but it seems like Musk was asked for help and this was his potential solution on short noticed. He also flew in engineers and drillers from his own team to help as well.
PR or not, it seems like he made a pretty big effort in an almost winless scenario.
but it seems like Musk was asked for help and this was his potential solution on short noticed. He also flew in engineers and drillers from his own team to help as well.
PR or not, it seems like he made a pretty big effort in an almost winless scenario.
If you watch the video of the British diver who was actually a part of the operation, Musk was asked to leave pretty quickly. That coupled with the fact that his submarine had no shot of navigating even the first 50m of the cave makes you wonder if he was overselling the "collaboration." If he was creating a submarine (virtually nothing in terms of cost versus his wealth) and shipping it over there based on little more than how well it performed in a pool, then it makes you wonder what his actual motive was. Piggy backing off of a potential tragedy that happened to have a lot of social media eyeballs is not a good look.
Past 50 meters? And you are taking one other persons word as gospel on all these matters - submarine not working, asked to leave quickly, etc
He donated the submarine to Thailand and the article says they'll think it comes in handy in the future.
Maybe it was a PR stunt - maybe it wasn't. I prefer to give people the benefit of the doubt, that's just me. Whether this donation dented his net worth as you allude to above is neither here nor there
but it seems like Musk was asked for help and this was his potential solution on short noticed. He also flew in engineers and drillers from his own team to help as well.
PR or not, it seems like he made a pretty big effort in an almost winless scenario.
If you watch the video of the British diver who was actually a part of the operation, Musk was asked to leave pretty quickly. That coupled with the fact that his submarine had no shot of navigating even the first 50m of the cave makes you wonder if he was overselling the "collaboration." If he was creating a submarine (virtually nothing in terms of cost versus his wealth) and shipping it over there based on little more than how well it performed in a pool, then it makes you wonder what his actual motive was. Piggy backing off of a potential tragedy that happened to have a lot of social media eyeballs is not a good look.
Yeah I really don’t buy that. Did you read what I wrote? He brought the sub and also a team of experts in engineering and drilling to help, it wasnt just a guy showing up with a sup cool sub.
And who cares about the cost vs his wealth? There’s plenty of people with wealth who did absolutely nothing to help...
if you think elon musk is the problem these days Â
Past 50 meters? And you are taking one other persons word as gospel on all these matters - submarine not working, asked to leave quickly, etc
He donated the submarine to Thailand and the article says they'll think it comes in handy in the future.
Maybe it was a PR stunt - maybe it wasn't. I prefer to give people the benefit of the doubt, that's just me. Whether this donation dented his net worth as you allude to above is neither here nor there
One guy dove through the cave and actually saved the kids, the other walked in for a photo op and left (perhaps after being asked to do so). I'm sorry if I'm taking the former's word as "gospel." I'm sure we'll hear from the other members of the operation in the coming weeks and perhaps they will refute this man.
I gave Elon the benefit of a doubt as well, that he had just come up with an imperfect design with such a short turnaround. However this man that was actually there is of the impression that this thing was never going to work and that it was just a PR stunt. I find it hard to believe a man as smart as Elon who is supposedly working closely with the head of the operation designed something that wouldn't be able to overcome the very start of the journey. Like I said, the implication is pretty negative. It's one thing if a bunch of Twitter nerds are shouting conspiracy. It's another if the people involved are echoing the same sentiment.
RE: if you think elon musk is the problem these days Â
no one has compared Musk to the diver who rescued the kids. He’s a hero and deserves all the praise he’s getting. But an article shitting all over Musk who was asked to help and offered his time and resources to do so is pretty weak.
It’s going to get to the point where people with wealth and power will simply do nothing. That’s the only thing that can come out of an article like that.
Side note, so Musk should just have vehicles waiting for every natural disaster? Do you know how unrealistic your final point is?
no one has compared Musk to the diver who rescued the kids. He’s a hero and deserves all the praise he’s getting. But an article shitting all over Musk who was asked to help and offered his time and resources to do so is pretty weak.
It’s going to get to the point where people with wealth and power will simply do nothing. That’s the only thing that can come out of an article like that.
Side note, so Musk should just have vehicles waiting for every natural disaster? Do you know how unrealistic your final point is?
Yes, because the opposite of trying to help and broadcasting your "efforts" to the world on twitter is to do nothing at all. What?
And I have no idea what you're getting at with the natural disaster bit. I was saying that people who are actually a part of the operation have more weight to their words than people armchair quarterbacking on Twitter.
You said he should have come up with a better vehicle Â
flies a team of engineers and equipment in minutes notice halfway around the world on his own dime to help a rescue a group of kids and he is a bad guy?
WTF.
I understand how frustrating this situation is for the first responders but this is the wrong scapegoat.
So I’m responding to that in a sarcastic tone about how he should have a fleet of vehicles ready for every natural disaster.
He had no time to put something together and he showed up and brought a team with him to help. But let’s focus on the PR “optics”. Sounds reasonable.
You're putting words in my mouth. I actually said he came up with an imperfect design because of the circumstances. Never said he should have come up with a better vehicle.
I'm saying it sounds like he oversold the collaboration between himself and the rescue team by a lot, given that this diver is saying the submarine he dropped off couldn't tackle the most basic features of the cave path (never mind that he also implied that Musk wasn't really welcome). And if there was no real collaboration, why market the solution like it was informed and viable? If one of those boys had died, there would have been a media shit storm for not using the submarine.
also keep in mind that for a while there was talk of the boys Â
For that guy to go out of his way to basically bash musk, I’d think there’s more to this story than meets the eye. Why would anyone take a shot at someone for simply trying to help? There’s no way musk just walked in with a devise that may or may not have worked and walked away without some kind of drama or set of events unfolding either before or during. Something led to this.
A little skepticism can be useful, but when you combine extreme cynicism with ignorance you get a society that believes everything is PR stunt, or a conspiracy, but doesn't feel the need to have any knowledge of the facts before they open their mouths.
I wish more people realized that believing everything is a stunt is just as bad as blindly taking everything at face value.
A little skepticism can be useful, but when you combine extreme cynicism with ignorance you get a society that believes everything is PR stunt, or a conspiracy, but doesn't feel the need to have any knowledge of the facts before they open their mouths.
I wish more people realized that believing everything is a stunt is just as bad as blindly taking everything at face value.
Nice sentiment. Now click on the link above and listen to the British diver who participated in the rescue operation declaring that this was a PR stunt by Musk.
A little skepticism can be useful, but when you combine extreme cynicism with ignorance you get a society that believes everything is PR stunt, or a conspiracy, but doesn't feel the need to have any knowledge of the facts before they open their mouths.
I wish more people realized that believing everything is a stunt is just as bad as blindly taking everything at face value.
Nice sentiment. Now click on the link above and listen to the British diver who participated in the rescue operation declaring that this was a PR stunt by Musk.
I originally just read the quotes but having watched he video the guy sounds like an asshole. I don’t know what happened, but he sure isn’t taking the high road.
I don’t know what you are getting at at this point. You seem really bothered by this situation. It’s strange.
And by the way, most people didn’t even know Musk was involved at all until this guy gave them the interview about him. Go figure.
He's probably right about the sub having no chance of working. Â
reenacted in the slew of Hollywood movies that are due to come up about this ordeal.
Musk, played by Robert Downey Jr, personally leads the rescue mission. Fighting off great whites and narwhals, he brings all the kids to safety. A snooty British guy gets impaled by a narwhal.
But no one has really articulated why Elon couldn't simply offer his help and submarine quietly without announcing to the world that he was taking part.
Social media is driving society crazy.
Britt in VA : 2:21 pm : link : reply
literally.
We've gotten to the point where people are ready to jump into action to bring social justice instead of even hearing both sides of a story. And the Traditional Media isn't doing any favors either as they increasingly report on things before pertinent facts are known and color it with their commentary.
People say this country is divided, but a lot of that happens because people are ready to pounce at a moments notice.
just think about two things for the past week:
- Social media as well as BBI was ready to kick LeShon McCoy out of the NFL and throw him in jail on a mere allegation from a Tweet. Hell, several BBI'ers said something along the lines that if McCoy was still in the NFL bu the end of that day it was a joke. And they weren't joking
- Within minutes of announcing a candidate for the Supreme Court, protesters already had "No Kavenaugh" shirts and merchandise made and wielded it, despite the fact that most Americans have no fucking clue who he is or what his qualifications are.
We are increasingly a country of rabid morons, proud of our ignorance
I have a feeling if Tim Cook and Apple offered to help Â
But no one has really articulated why Elon couldn't simply offer his help and submarine quietly without announcing to the world that he was taking part.
This article in the Times does a nice job of why, even with the best intentions, that it's not a good idea and puts undue pressure on those people involved in the rescue operations. What Elon Musk Should Learn From the Thailand Cave Rescue - ( New Window )
Umm, That's not an article... it's an opinion piece by a professor at UNC (I presume not African American studies). Which also throws in barbs like amazon should pay its workers more and Silicon Valley companies should be more just.
Social media is driving society crazy.
Britt in VA : 2:21 pm : link : reply
literally.
We've gotten to the point where people are ready to jump into action to bring social justice instead of even hearing both sides of a story. And the Traditional Media isn't doing any favors either as they increasingly report on things before pertinent facts are known and color it with their commentary.
People say this country is divided, but a lot of that happens because people are ready to pounce at a moments notice.
just think about two things for the past week:
- Social media as well as BBI was ready to kick LeShon McCoy out of the NFL and throw him in jail on a mere allegation from a Tweet. Hell, several BBI'ers said something along the lines that if McCoy was still in the NFL bu the end of that day it was a joke. And they weren't joking
- Within minutes of announcing a candidate for the Supreme Court, protesters already had "No Kavenaugh" shirts and merchandise made and wielded it, despite the fact that most Americans have no fucking clue who he is or what his qualifications are.
We are increasingly a country of rabid morons, proud of our ignorance
Not to get this thread deleted but there were official objections to the SC nomination drafted before the person was named and a at least one of them never replaced the XXXX place holder for the name with Kavanaugh when they issued their objection. I'm sure stuff like this happens both ways, so my point isn't pointing fingers per se at anyone, but at everyone.
Also, I thought it might have been tongue in cheek, but now I'm not sure, I read some complaints that the rescuers of the Thai soccer team were "too white" -- I do think it was a joke, but the fact I have to even think maybe it wasn't is a statement of where we are today.
Musk attempted to be helpful and obviously has the resources and personnel to lend support -- but it's obvious as eff he's looking for attention when he personally plays the scenario out over his personal Twitter account.
I've worked for a number of multinational corporations who have quietly assisted and in a majorly high profile incident solved a majorly, life threatening disaster one of their competitors caused.
Being smarmy and helpful aren't mutually exclusive. Good for him for trying to help. But he didn't spare any opportunity for the exposure and attention.
During this whole incident and the submarine was only one of his ideas the guy had 3 of them and he even stated right off from the start he only knew the situation from what he saw on TV and did the calculations in his head. He sent his engineers to get a better look but by the time they showed up the plan to extract the kids was about to start. This British diver seemed more upset that Elon was getting more attention then him and the other dream team of cave divers who where working on it the entire time.
flies a team of engineers and equipment in minutes notice halfway around the world on his own dime to help a rescue a group of kids and he is a bad guy?
WTF.
I understand how frustrating this situation is for the first responders but this is the wrong scapegoat.
PR or not, it seems like he made a pretty big effort in an almost winless scenario.
PR or not, it seems like he made a pretty big effort in an almost winless scenario.
If you watch the video of the British diver who was actually a part of the operation, Musk was asked to leave pretty quickly. That coupled with the fact that his submarine had no shot of navigating even the first 50m of the cave makes you wonder if he was overselling the "collaboration." If he was creating a submarine (virtually nothing in terms of cost versus his wealth) and shipping it over there based on little more than how well it performed in a pool, then it makes you wonder what his actual motive was. Piggy backing off of a potential tragedy that happened to have a lot of social media eyeballs is not a good look.
He donated the submarine to Thailand and the article says they'll think it comes in handy in the future.
Maybe it was a PR stunt - maybe it wasn't. I prefer to give people the benefit of the doubt, that's just me. Whether this donation dented his net worth as you allude to above is neither here nor there
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but it seems like Musk was asked for help and this was his potential solution on short noticed. He also flew in engineers and drillers from his own team to help as well.
PR or not, it seems like he made a pretty big effort in an almost winless scenario.
If you watch the video of the British diver who was actually a part of the operation, Musk was asked to leave pretty quickly. That coupled with the fact that his submarine had no shot of navigating even the first 50m of the cave makes you wonder if he was overselling the "collaboration." If he was creating a submarine (virtually nothing in terms of cost versus his wealth) and shipping it over there based on little more than how well it performed in a pool, then it makes you wonder what his actual motive was. Piggy backing off of a potential tragedy that happened to have a lot of social media eyeballs is not a good look.
Yeah I really don’t buy that. Did you read what I wrote? He brought the sub and also a team of experts in engineering and drilling to help, it wasnt just a guy showing up with a sup cool sub.
And who cares about the cost vs his wealth? There’s plenty of people with wealth who did absolutely nothing to help...
He donated the submarine to Thailand and the article says they'll think it comes in handy in the future.
Maybe it was a PR stunt - maybe it wasn't. I prefer to give people the benefit of the doubt, that's just me. Whether this donation dented his net worth as you allude to above is neither here nor there
One guy dove through the cave and actually saved the kids, the other walked in for a photo op and left (perhaps after being asked to do so). I'm sorry if I'm taking the former's word as "gospel." I'm sure we'll hear from the other members of the operation in the coming weeks and perhaps they will refute this man.
I gave Elon the benefit of a doubt as well, that he had just come up with an imperfect design with such a short turnaround. However this man that was actually there is of the impression that this thing was never going to work and that it was just a PR stunt. I find it hard to believe a man as smart as Elon who is supposedly working closely with the head of the operation designed something that wouldn't be able to overcome the very start of the journey. Like I said, the implication is pretty negative. It's one thing if a bunch of Twitter nerds are shouting conspiracy. It's another if the people involved are echoing the same sentiment.
Yep, that's what I said.
It’s going to get to the point where people with wealth and power will simply do nothing. That’s the only thing that can come out of an article like that.
Side note, so Musk should just have vehicles waiting for every natural disaster? Do you know how unrealistic your final point is?
It’s going to get to the point where people with wealth and power will simply do nothing. That’s the only thing that can come out of an article like that.
Side note, so Musk should just have vehicles waiting for every natural disaster? Do you know how unrealistic your final point is?
Yes, because the opposite of trying to help and broadcasting your "efforts" to the world on twitter is to do nothing at all. What?
And I have no idea what you're getting at with the natural disaster bit. I was saying that people who are actually a part of the operation have more weight to their words than people armchair quarterbacking on Twitter.
He had no time to put something together and he showed up and brought a team with him to help. But let’s focus on the PR “optics”. Sounds reasonable.
WTF.
I understand how frustrating this situation is for the first responders but this is the wrong scapegoat.
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He had no time to put something together and he showed up and brought a team with him to help. But let’s focus on the PR “optics”. Sounds reasonable.
You're putting words in my mouth. I actually said he came up with an imperfect design because of the circumstances. Never said he should have come up with a better vehicle.
I'm saying it sounds like he oversold the collaboration between himself and the rescue team by a lot, given that this diver is saying the submarine he dropped off couldn't tackle the most basic features of the cave path (never mind that he also implied that Musk wasn't really welcome). And if there was no real collaboration, why market the solution like it was informed and viable? If one of those boys had died, there would have been a media shit storm for not using the submarine.
i tend to think that he was in it for the right reasons.
maybe even said that he thought it was a PR stunt (though he didn't need to go there)
but to say Elon can put the sub where it hurts simply lacks grace and gratitude. good luck to him in the future.
Not mine! I'd rather die than have him receive some publicity that his actual readiness to contribute may not warrant!
A little skepticism can be useful, but when you combine extreme cynicism with ignorance you get a society that believes everything is PR stunt, or a conspiracy, but doesn't feel the need to have any knowledge of the facts before they open their mouths.
I wish more people realized that believing everything is a stunt is just as bad as blindly taking everything at face value.
A little skepticism can be useful, but when you combine extreme cynicism with ignorance you get a society that believes everything is PR stunt, or a conspiracy, but doesn't feel the need to have any knowledge of the facts before they open their mouths.
I wish more people realized that believing everything is a stunt is just as bad as blindly taking everything at face value.
Nice sentiment. Now click on the link above and listen to the British diver who participated in the rescue operation declaring that this was a PR stunt by Musk.
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of the general population has gotten ridiculous.
A little skepticism can be useful, but when you combine extreme cynicism with ignorance you get a society that believes everything is PR stunt, or a conspiracy, but doesn't feel the need to have any knowledge of the facts before they open their mouths.
I wish more people realized that believing everything is a stunt is just as bad as blindly taking everything at face value.
Nice sentiment. Now click on the link above and listen to the British diver who participated in the rescue operation declaring that this was a PR stunt by Musk.
I originally just read the quotes but having watched he video the guy sounds like an asshole. I don’t know what happened, but he sure isn’t taking the high road.
I don’t know what you are getting at at this point. You seem really bothered by this situation. It’s strange.
And by the way, most people didn’t even know Musk was involved at all until this guy gave them the interview about him. Go figure.
Musk, played by Robert Downey Jr, personally leads the rescue mission. Fighting off great whites and narwhals, he brings all the kids to safety. A snooty British guy gets impaled by a narwhal.
The team and coach were miraculously saved, a brace seal gave his life, so we really need to investigate the motives of a man who tried to help
Elon Musk calls Thai cave rescuer "pedo guy" - ( New Window )
This article in the Times does a nice job of why, even with the best intentions, that it's not a good idea and puts undue pressure on those people involved in the rescue operations.
What Elon Musk Should Learn From the Thailand Cave Rescue - ( New Window )
Britt in VA : 2:21 pm : link : reply
literally.
We've gotten to the point where people are ready to jump into action to bring social justice instead of even hearing both sides of a story. And the Traditional Media isn't doing any favors either as they increasingly report on things before pertinent facts are known and color it with their commentary.
People say this country is divided, but a lot of that happens because people are ready to pounce at a moments notice.
just think about two things for the past week:
- Social media as well as BBI was ready to kick LeShon McCoy out of the NFL and throw him in jail on a mere allegation from a Tweet. Hell, several BBI'ers said something along the lines that if McCoy was still in the NFL bu the end of that day it was a joke. And they weren't joking
- Within minutes of announcing a candidate for the Supreme Court, protesters already had "No Kavenaugh" shirts and merchandise made and wielded it, despite the fact that most Americans have no fucking clue who he is or what his qualifications are.
We are increasingly a country of rabid morons, proud of our ignorance
In regard to Musk, some immediately question his motives instead of being grateful he cared enough to try and help.
Perhaps those questioning Musk are doing so based on what they themselves would do in a similar situation.
This article in the Times does a nice job of why, even with the best intentions, that it's not a good idea and puts undue pressure on those people involved in the rescue operations. What Elon Musk Should Learn From the Thailand Cave Rescue - ( New Window )
Umm, That's not an article... it's an opinion piece by a professor at UNC (I presume not African American studies). Which also throws in barbs like amazon should pay its workers more and Silicon Valley companies should be more just.
In regard to Musk, some immediately question his motives instead of being grateful he cared enough to try and help.
Perhaps those questioning Musk are doing so based on what they themselves would do in a similar situation.
PC/SJW is the present day McCarthyism. They should be so proud.
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Social media is driving society crazy.
Britt in VA : 2:21 pm : link : reply
literally.
We've gotten to the point where people are ready to jump into action to bring social justice instead of even hearing both sides of a story. And the Traditional Media isn't doing any favors either as they increasingly report on things before pertinent facts are known and color it with their commentary.
People say this country is divided, but a lot of that happens because people are ready to pounce at a moments notice.
just think about two things for the past week:
- Social media as well as BBI was ready to kick LeShon McCoy out of the NFL and throw him in jail on a mere allegation from a Tweet. Hell, several BBI'ers said something along the lines that if McCoy was still in the NFL bu the end of that day it was a joke. And they weren't joking
- Within minutes of announcing a candidate for the Supreme Court, protesters already had "No Kavenaugh" shirts and merchandise made and wielded it, despite the fact that most Americans have no fucking clue who he is or what his qualifications are.
We are increasingly a country of rabid morons, proud of our ignorance
Not to get this thread deleted but there were official objections to the SC nomination drafted before the person was named and a at least one of them never replaced the XXXX place holder for the name with Kavanaugh when they issued their objection. I'm sure stuff like this happens both ways, so my point isn't pointing fingers per se at anyone, but at everyone.
Also, I thought it might have been tongue in cheek, but now I'm not sure, I read some complaints that the rescuers of the Thai soccer team were "too white" -- I do think it was a joke, but the fact I have to even think maybe it wasn't is a statement of where we are today.
I've worked for a number of multinational corporations who have quietly assisted and in a majorly high profile incident solved a majorly, life threatening disaster one of their competitors caused.
Being smarmy and helpful aren't mutually exclusive. Good for him for trying to help. But he didn't spare any opportunity for the exposure and attention.
Agreed. I'm generally a fan of Musk, or at least his ambition, but that was uncalled for.
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Spot on. It s become more important to promote PC agenda when given the chance, than it is to wait for the facts in regard to guilt or innocence.
In regard to Musk, some immediately question his motives instead of being grateful he cared enough to try and help.
Perhaps those questioning Musk are doing so based on what they themselves would do in a similar situation.
PC/SJW is the present day McCarthyism. They should be so proud.
LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL
WTF.
I understand how frustrating this situation is for the first responders but this is the wrong scapegoat.
Did he pay for it?