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ZGiants98 : 7/14/2018 4:19 pm
Mets Lineup

Brandon Nimmo (L) CF
Asdrubal Cabrera (S) 2B
Jose Bautista (R) RF
Michael Conforto (L) LF
Wilmer Flores (R) 1B
Kevin Plawecki (R) C
Jose Reyes (S) 3B
Amed Rosario (R) SS
Zack Wheeler (L) P

Nationals Lineup

Adam Eaton (L) RF
Juan Soto (L) LF
Anthony Rendon (R) 3B
Bryce Harper (L) CF
Matt Adams (L) 1B
Daniel Murphy (L) 2B
Trea Turner (R) SS
Spencer Kieboom (R) C
Austin Voth (R) P

LGM!
Wheeler Ks Harper  
ZGiants98 : 7/14/2018 4:20 pm : link
On 99 mph heat in the first.
Is Frazier  
JayBinQueens : 7/14/2018 4:35 pm : link
hurt again?
RE: Is Frazier  
ZGiants98 : 7/14/2018 4:46 pm : link
In comment 14013167 JayBinQueens said:
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hurt again?

Yup.
whos this team scoring runs w productive outs and good base running?  
Eric on Li : 7/14/2018 4:48 pm : link
it's been a while since I've watched 15 consecutive minutes of this team, wasn't expecting that.
The best part of the last couple of weeks  
ZGiants98 : 7/14/2018 4:54 pm : link
Has been Rosario breaking out a little. He finally is getting it back on track.
RE: The best part of the last couple of weeks  
Eric on Li : 7/14/2018 5:08 pm : link
In comment 14013176 ZGiants98 said:
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Has been Rosario breaking out a little. He finally is getting it back on track.


This may not be the best comparison, but he kind of reminds me of Didi Gregorius - who was similarly super athletic, flashed plus skills but lacked polish. At premium positions those are the types of guys to just be patient with.
Yeah...  
ZGiants98 : 7/14/2018 5:11 pm : link
I’m not worried. He’s super young and a bad half season isn’t the end of the world. If he can get a bit more consistent defensively, it’ll be even easier to be patient on the offense.
I have a feeling Wheeler is going to hit a wall  
ZGiants98 : 7/14/2018 5:13 pm : link
Guy hasn’t been close to over 100 innings in 4 years. He’s been an absolute joy to watch at times this year but I feel he won’t be fully built up until next year.
RE: I have a feeling Wheeler is going to hit a wall  
Eric on Li : 7/14/2018 5:19 pm : link
In comment 14013184 ZGiants98 said:
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Guy hasn’t been close to over 100 innings in 4 years. He’s been an absolute joy to watch at times this year but I feel he won’t be fully built up until next year.


If they keep him they should definitely shut him down in August just to be safe.
Mauricio  
pjcas18 : 7/14/2018 5:30 pm : link
3 for 4 today. Between him and Kelenic, even Vientos to an extent there's some prospects to get excited about.
RE: Mauricio  
Eric on Li : 7/14/2018 5:37 pm : link
In comment 14013191 pjcas18 said:
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3 for 4 today. Between him and Kelenic, even Vientos to an extent there's some prospects to get excited about.


Don't sleep on Gimenez.
And Alonso and McNeil  
ZGiants98 : 7/14/2018 5:40 pm : link
I’m feeling pretty good about our system actually.
Woods  
Shecky : 7/14/2018 5:46 pm : link
Was supposed to throw, but extended his throwing program a bit. Supposedly liking what they are seeing with him.
RE: whos this team scoring runs w productive outs and good base running?  
Jim in Fairfax : 7/14/2018 5:51 pm : link
In comment 14013173 Eric on Li said:
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it's been a while since I've watched 15 consecutive minutes of this team, wasn't expecting that.

Good things happen when they let Wilmer play.
Yeah with position players, the system is in decent shape  
Eric on Li : 7/14/2018 5:59 pm : link
when u factor in graduated prospects under team control and assuming Plawecki is back at catcher, at minimum half of next year's lineup is homegrown with Conforto, Nimmo, Rosario - with Mcneil, Alonso, Cecchini, Smith potentially providing depth. Can't expect much more than that from the farm. Even the Royals in 2015 needed to find almost half their lineup via trades/FA (Zobrist, Morales, Cain, Escobar).

Obviously you try to go for the best prospects available, but the preferred positions to target this deadline are SP, C, and 3B. I'd go for the highest upside prospects possible even if they are really young. Francisco Mejia seems to have gotten hot at AAA so that dream is probably dead, but he'd be a great addition.
I do like pushing the starters more but  
Rob in Rockaway : 7/14/2018 6:40 pm : link
I think this was a little much.
Motherfucker...  
ZGiants98 : 7/14/2018 6:40 pm : link
7-1 game in the 8th. Over 110 pitches. Was it really necessary to push Wheeler there. Ugh...
RE: RE: Is Frazier  
Vanzetti : 7/14/2018 8:38 pm : link
In comment 14013172 ZGiants98 said:
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hurt again?


Yup.

Finally, some good news
RE: Motherfucker...  
CGiants07 : 7/14/2018 9:11 pm : link
In comment 14013232 ZGiants98 said:
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7-1 game in the 8th. Over 110 pitches. Was it really necessary to push Wheeler there. Ugh...


you know the bullpen sucks outside of familia and he isnt pitching for several days with all star break and wheeler not expected to pitch the series vs yankees
he only threw 113 pitches  
CGiants07 : 7/14/2018 9:11 pm : link
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RE: RE: Motherfucker...  
ZGiants98 : 7/14/2018 10:22 pm : link
In comment 14013298 CGiants07 said:
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7-1 game in the 8th. Over 110 pitches. Was it really necessary to push Wheeler there. Ugh...



you know the bullpen sucks outside of familia and he isnt pitching for several days with all star break and wheeler not expected to pitch the series vs yankees


I agree if it were any other starter but I just feel with Wheeler pitching 80 innings in the last three years heading into this season we need to be a little careful with him. Everybody gets off for the break and the pen was fairly rested. Why push him in a blowout? Game wasn’t close at that point. Oh well.
its official  
CGiants07 : 7/15/2018 10:51 am : link
post all star break vs yankees :

its thor, matz then degrom
Alonso Monster Home Run in Futures Game  
CMicks3110 : 7/15/2018 7:59 pm : link
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https://twitter.com/MLBNetwork/status/1018626933389774848 - ( New Window )
Kay looked good today  
Shecky : 7/15/2018 8:56 pm : link
And oh mannnn, trying not to get my hopes up again, but King Ali looking damn good.
RE: Alonso Monster Home Run in Futures Game  
Rob in Rockaway : 7/15/2018 9:09 pm : link
In comment 14013850 CMicks3110 said:
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. https://twitter.com/MLBNetwork/status/1018626933389774848 - ( New Window )


My Lord that was a bomb. Just absolutely turned on a 95MPH fastball.
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pjcas18 : 7/15/2018 9:24 pm : link
So can anybody explain the logic today  
ZGiants98 : 7/15/2018 10:38 pm : link
in taking Oswalt out after 5 innings of 2 hit ball when he was around 50-ish pitches and absolutely dominating after the logic with pushing Wheeler yesterday?

Talk about inconsistent.

I had high hopes for Mickey this year but I'm just not seeing it anymore. If a new GM is brought in hopefully he can bring in a new manager. I would like to keep Eilland though.
So for all the talk of no position prospects  
ZGiants98 : 7/15/2018 10:40 pm : link
we could seriously field a team next year with

Nimmo OF
Conforto OF
Rosario SS
McNeil 2B
Alonso 1B
Plawecki C

Most of those guys have the potential to be very good too. The upside for Alonso, especially, is tremendous.

I hope we can clear Bruce and Frazier and add a big bat to supplement all the kids.
RE: So can anybody explain the logic today  
Shecky : 7/15/2018 10:40 pm : link
In comment 14013895 ZGiants98 said:
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in taking Oswalt out after 5 innings of 2 hit ball when he was around 50-ish pitches and absolutely dominating after the logic with pushing Wheeler yesterday?

Talk about inconsistent.

I had high hopes for Mickey this year but I'm just not seeing it anymore. If a new GM is brought in hopefully he can bring in a new manager. I would like to keep Eilland though.


Lol, don’t you have ANYfaith in the bullpen lol
RE: Kay looked good today  
ZGiants98 : 7/15/2018 10:44 pm : link
In comment 14013869 Shecky said:
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And oh mannnn, trying not to get my hopes up again, but King Ali looking damn good.


You had to have come up a catcher Shecky. You are obsessed with catching prospects.
RE: RE: So can anybody explain the logic today  
ZGiants98 : 7/15/2018 10:47 pm : link
In comment 14013898 Shecky said:
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in taking Oswalt out after 5 innings of 2 hit ball when he was around 50-ish pitches and absolutely dominating after the logic with pushing Wheeler yesterday?

Talk about inconsistent.

I had high hopes for Mickey this year but I'm just not seeing it anymore. If a new GM is brought in hopefully he can bring in a new manager. I would like to keep Eilland though.



Lol, don’t you have ANYfaith in the bullpen lol


Some of the pieces I do. I like Lugo. But why pitch him only one inning when he is off until next Friday? Lugo could have gone 3-4 innings there. When they took Oswalt out I thought maybe they were going to piggy back them but nope... It just seems like there is no rhyme or reason to anything Mickey is doing.
,  
DanMetroMan : 7/15/2018 11:32 pm : link
The Mets have 3 people in their analytics department, the Yankees and Dodgers have "close to 20" per ex-Met employee Adam Fisher.
Former Mets employee Nick Francona  
NyquistX3 : 7/15/2018 11:41 pm : link
is killing the Coupons and the organization on Twitter.
Some tweets:

"The leaking about Terry Collins last year was disgraceful and reflected very poorly on the Mets and organization’s leadership. Could’ve had the same result without the fiasco. The way it was handled was undignified and Sandy’s statement about firing leakers was disingenuous."

"It’s hard for me to give a free pass to execs who essentially sell their integrity. To use the Reyes example, if you say things like it’s “based on merit” and “he has value,” you are either incompetent or are lying. Leaking that you were pressured is just admitting you sold out."

"There was a reason Nimmo’s name often came up in trade rumors. Other teams saw what the Mets were oblivious to. That should be cause for some serious introspection. It’s so important to get the evaluations of your own players right."

"Dom isn’t perfect, but the org has a weird way of setting young players up to fail, then deflects responsibility by blaming the players for not being good.

Hint: The whole point is to find and develop good players to win games. Period! When Dom fails, it’s an org failure."

"The @Mets handling of Jose Reyes this year is similar to young prospects from the Rule 5 draft that have never played above A-ball. You know it’s going to be ugly, and you jump through hoops to keep them on the roster for future upside. Just no future or upside in this case."

https://twitter.com/@NickFrancona

RE: ,  
Shecky : 7/15/2018 11:57 pm : link
In comment 14013911 DanMetroMan said:
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The Mets have 3 people in their analytics department, the Yankees and Dodgers have "close to 20" per ex-Met employee Adam Fisher.


Have to play devils advocate here as much as it pains me. They aren’t the only franchise to do it, but they do outsource most of their analytics to about a half a dozen firms. So yeah, it’s bad. But it’s not as bad as it would appear based on that statement. Not defending, just expanding on it a bit.
Nyquist  
Shecky : 7/15/2018 11:59 pm : link
Thanks for the post!!!!!!thats outstanding stuff, and unfortunately that’s like an ice cube, not just the tip of an iceberg...
RE: Nyquist  
NyquistX3 : 7/16/2018 12:57 am : link
In comment 14013916 Shecky said:
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Thanks for the post!!!!!!thats outstanding stuff, and unfortunately that’s like an ice cube, not just the tip of an iceberg...


Ugh...thanks for the feedback! Do you think blowing up the organization from executives to scouts to player development would change things or are things so dysfunctional at the ownership level that it won’t matter?
Nyquist  
Shecky : 7/16/2018 7:21 am : link
There is so much out there publicly, do you really need to ask TJ hat question? They already tried the blow it up and start from scratch top to bottom. They lost guys and never replaced them. What’s that say?
Thanks for sharing Nyquist!  
Metnut : 7/16/2018 9:32 am : link
Interesting stuff and not surprising. The self-scouting stuff we've harped on here before and it needs to dramatically improve.

The lean analytics staff is definitely an issue and needs to be beefed up, but the first step needs to be to have a front office that buys into and will take the analytics department advice seriously.

On the awful Bruce and Vargas deals, the analytics department (as lean as they are) was right on it and cautioned Alderson against going ahead. Leanly staffed or not, we need a front office that isn't going to ignore advice like that.
Shecky what exactly does it say?  
bhill410 : 7/16/2018 10:39 am : link
I am unclear if it’s ineptitude from the gm, budget constraints put in place, or a mixture of owner meddling + budgetary costs.

At least for me it is tough to get a read on the home office talent and commitment from ownership.
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