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NFT: Knicks talk - trade idea

GMEN46 : 7/15/2018 10:04 am
Looks like Sacramento is the only team with serious cap space left and assuming Smart, Capela and Hood will only be matched by their current teams unless it is an insane overpay, then Sac will most likely want to keep their cap space for 2019 given all of the expirings they currently have. OKC needs to get rid of Melo.

Knicks get: Carmelo Anthony, immediate buyout
OKC gets: Courtney Lee
Sac gets: Ron Baker expiring, Lance Thomas expiring ($1mm owed), OKC 2020 2nd rd pick and if necessary knicks 2019 2nd rd pick, which is Houston’s 2nd rd pick, max cash from knicks, which I believe is around & 4-$5mm.

Why for knicks? - very obvious you get rid of Lee’s contract next year, free up an extra $1mm from Lance buyout next year. Also opens up 3 roster spots

Why for Kings? They need to get to min salary cap requirements. They get a good vet in Thomas to work with young guys, Baker is obvious dump but at least he plays hard, they keep cap space intact for 2019 and they get 1 or 2 second round picks.

Why for OKC? They cut $15.4 from cap this year which is huge for tax savings dollars. They get lee who provides some depth and is a two way player at a needed position especially in the West. Also lee will be off the books after next year and is probably tradeable as an expiring contract whereas Melo stretch would still hold up $9.3 on cap in 2020 season.

Seems like a no brainer for all involved unless of course kings want to make a bad overpay to a restricted free agent like smart or hood.
I'm in for that  
DennyInDenville : 7/15/2018 10:09 am : link
Next year we might be able to leap into a top team with the right moves and luck on Knox, KP, and Frank. Need Knox to be our 1A and make KP 1B/2A imo plus a bigtime fa or two plus next years lottery pick

However , after we got this athletic center in the 2nd round this last draft, makes me think we got a homer on him and should save ALL picks including 2s going forward unless the deals are very worth it.

This particular deal seems to be worth the risk of losing the 2nd rounder
If Sacramento & OKC want to do it  
Jim in Fairfax : 7/15/2018 10:23 am : link
They don’t need the Knicks. Sacramento has space and expirings to do it on their own. And OKC isn’t hit with Lee’s contract next year.
Something to remember with Sacramento  
rich in DC : 7/15/2018 10:29 am : link
They will most likely lose their 1st round pick this year. They traded it a while back with lottery protection which this season fall to only the #1 pick. In other words, unless they end up with the #1 pick in the draft, they have to give it up this off-season.

Thus, Sacramento has no incoming young talent- though after years of lotto picks, have a good bit on hand. They now have Bagley, Fox, Jackson and Cauley-Stein on hand as their young talent base. They have some role players in Mason, Labissiere, Hield, and Bogdonavic.

Sacramento also has a HUGE amount of expiring contracts- lead by ZBO's $11.7M, Shumpert's $11M and Koufus's $8.74M deals.

Sacramento has indicated in the media that they believe it is time to stop rebuilding and actually begin to challenge in the West. When you look at the list above, you see a potential post scorer (Bagley) and PG (Fox) a slashing wing (Jackson) and a defensive big (Cauley-Stein). They need someone to hit 3's and who can give you 20+ a night from outside.

I think the better deal from the Knicks and Sacramento perspective might be to offer lee of OKC, take on Melo (and immediately waive him), offer Hardaway to Sacramento with Mudiay (for cap purposes) in exchange for ZBo.

I would suggest that the Knicks would waive or buyout both ZBo and Melo. That leaves them short-handed this season in terms of offense (losing Hardaway and Lee), but positions them very well for 2019.
Seems like the Knicks end up doing all the winning in this deal  
Ten Ton Hammer : 7/15/2018 10:31 am : link
which makes it unlikely. Lance Thomas and Baker don't hold much appeal to anyone.
RE: Something to remember with Sacramento  
Earl the goat : 7/15/2018 10:58 am : link
In comment 14013466 rich in DC said:
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They will most likely lose their 1st round pick this year. They traded it a while back with lottery protection which this season fall to only the #1 pick. In other words, unless they end up with the #1 pick in the draft, they have to give it up this off-season.

Thus, Sacramento has no incoming young talent- though after years of lotto picks, have a good bit on hand. They now have Bagley, Fox, Jackson and Cauley-Stein on hand as their young talent base. They have some role players in Mason, Labissiere, Hield, and Bogdonavic.

Sacramento also has a HUGE amount of expiring contracts- lead by ZBO's $11.7M, Shumpert's $11M and Koufus's $8.74M deals.

Sacramento has indicated in the media that they believe it is time to stop rebuilding and actually begin to challenge in the West. When you look at the list above, you see a potential post scorer (Bagley) and PG (Fox) a slashing wing (Jackson) and a defensive big (Cauley-Stein). They need someone to hit 3's and who can give you 20+ a night from outside.

I think the better deal from the Knicks and Sacramento perspective might be to offer lee of OKC, take on Melo (and immediately waive him), offer Hardaway to Sacramento with Mudiay (for cap purposes) in exchange for ZBo.

I would suggest that the Knicks would waive or buyout both ZBo and Melo. That leaves them short-handed this season in terms of offense (losing Hardaway and Lee), but positions them very well for 2019.


I think their best young talent is actually Harry Giles if he can stay heslthy
"They get a good vet in Thomas"  
LawrenceTaylor56 : 7/15/2018 12:21 pm : link
lol. I stopped reading after that.
Why don't we combine 46's ideas with Earl the goat's ideas  
adamg : 7/15/2018 12:29 pm : link
That way, we can just flush both at the same time.
I didn’t mean Thomas  
GMEN46 : 7/15/2018 12:34 pm : link
Was a good player, I meant a good vet in locker room. And I hate when people write they stopped reading after that. You def read the whole thing, one of the most overused lines.
How is this a bad idea for any team  
GMEN46 : 7/15/2018 12:36 pm : link
King’s can sign some bad free agents to 1 year deal or they can trade for them and pick up 2 second round picks. The one poster above is right they could just do this direct with okc if okc likes one of their expirings enough.
RE: I didn’t mean Thomas  
LawrenceTaylor56 : 7/15/2018 12:45 pm : link
In comment 14013574 GMEN46 said:
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Was a good player, I meant a good vet in locker room. And I hate when people write they stopped reading after that. You def read the whole thing, one of the most overused lines.


In this case it wasn't.
Stop being a moron  
GMEN46 : 7/15/2018 12:57 pm : link
You read the whole thing and I said I didn’t mean good player, meant good locker room guy. Bottom line you were trying to beidiot funny and you failed. You have given no reason as to why it’s a bad trade for kings.
RE: Stop being a moron  
LawrenceTaylor56 : 7/15/2018 1:00 pm : link
In comment 14013599 GMEN46 said:
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You read the whole thing and I said I didn’t mean good player, meant good locker room guy. Bottom line you were trying to beidiot funny and you failed. You have given no reason as to why it’s a bad trade for kings.


I'm not trying to be funny. It's a hypothetical trade scenario made up from some random guy on the internet. Not trying to discredit you in anyway, but after watching Lance Thomas play basketball for the past 4 years and seeing his name and good vet in the same sentence, I stop reading.

Why would the Kings want him and Ron Baker? It's not happening. I stopped reading.
Stop obsessing over trading contracts  
djm : 7/15/2018 4:15 pm : link
Or worrying about cap space. Knicks have a young core worth getting excited about. They have cap room coming and can likely even more if needed and the shittiest contract on the team is history in two years. Relax already.
Lol  
QUAN305 : 7/15/2018 6:05 pm : link
He def finished reading the article. Him continuing to respond proves it lol
RE: Lol  
LawrenceTaylor56 : 7/16/2018 5:52 am : link
In comment 14013826 QUAN305 said:
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He def finished reading the article. Him continuing to respond proves it lol


July 2018, huh?

GMEN46 and QUAN305.. smells like a dupe. lol
Now that  
GMEN46 : 7/16/2018 7:36 am : link
Would be an all time low for me. I think if I started making fake names on a nerdy knicks chat I would have to rescind my rights to this site.
We're trading a second round pick to get rid of  
Heisenberg : 7/16/2018 7:46 am : link
Lee's salary? And then you say in the OKC part of the post that he's "probably tradeable"? That doesn't really make sense to me
vegas set odds of qhere butler will start THIS season  
nygiants16 : 7/16/2018 7:58 am : link
knicks have second best odds at 18.5 percent which is weird...

twolves only 60 percent...

vegas is usually very good with setting their odds, are they hearing something that no one else is?
Meant to say  
GMEN46 : 7/16/2018 8:14 am : link
If okc does not want lee after this year his contract should be very tradeable as an expiring especially in 2019 where many teams will have cap space.
RE: Now that  
Jon in NYC : 7/16/2018 8:26 am : link
In comment 14013933 GMEN46 said:
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Would be an all time low for me. I think if I started making fake names on a nerdy knicks chat I would have to rescind my rights to this site.


You wouldnt be the first person to do it.
Knicks  
Jon in NYC : 7/16/2018 1:09 pm : link
just waived Troy Williams, which I have to admit is a little surprising.
RE: vegas set odds of qhere butler will start THIS season  
giants#1 : 7/16/2018 1:11 pm : link
In comment 14013938 nygiants16 said:
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knicks have second best odds at 18.5 percent which is weird...

twolves only 60 percent...

vegas is usually very good with setting their odds, are they hearing something that no one else is?


Probably that he'll remain in MN and that Knicks fans are suckers...
RE: RE: vegas set odds of qhere butler will start THIS season  
nygiants16 : 7/16/2018 1:12 pm : link
In comment 14014191 giants#1 said:
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In comment 14013938 nygiants16 said:


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knicks have second best odds at 18.5 percent which is weird...

twolves only 60 percent...

vegas is usually very good with setting their odds, are they hearing something that no one else is?



Probably that he'll remain in MN and that Knicks fans are suckers...


vegas is not creating odds based on knicks fans
RE: RE: RE: vegas set odds of qhere butler will start THIS season  
giants#1 : 7/16/2018 1:22 pm : link
In comment 14014192 nygiants16 said:
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In comment 14014191 giants#1 said:


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In comment 14013938 nygiants16 said:


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knicks have second best odds at 18.5 percent which is weird...

twolves only 60 percent...

vegas is usually very good with setting their odds, are they hearing something that no one else is?



Probably that he'll remain in MN and that Knicks fans are suckers...



vegas is not creating odds based on knicks fans


They're creating odds based on what will make them $$. As much as they've sucked, there are still a lot of Knicks fans and getting even a small % of those to make a suckers bet will mean more $$ for Vegas.

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