Lately he's been giving up bombs in the 2nd. How many times is Boone going to be burned doing this???? Especially with 4 off days coming up. Use the godamn guys!!!!
Have you ever seen Francona not putting something in his mouth?
He was hooked on tobacco, so now he chews gum constantly. One of my coworkers used to chew tobacco and does the same thing - chomps away on gum all day.
And I'm fine with the job he's done most of the year, but no way you leave Green out there to pitch the 8th having no game the next 4 days. For all of the "manager doesn't matter" crowd Francona was a big difference today.
Lately he's been giving up bombs in the 2nd. How many times is Boone going to be burned doing this???? Especially with 4 off days coming up. Use the godamn guys!!!!
I was thinking the same thing. He had Betances warming up last inning and I thought for sure he was coming in to start this inning.
I like Boone but he does some things that have me wondering why. I'm sure he has his reasons but it's as if he was thinking this game was going deep into extras and wanted to steal another inning out of Green.
Yeah I hate that as a fan and can only imagine how a batter feels.
There's absolutely no way an ump can watch the pitch and the bat at the same time. Especially when the pitch isn't right down the middle. Balls in the dirt..forget about it. No F'ing way to see both.
And I'm fine with the job he's done most of the year, but no way you leave Green out there to pitch the 8th having no game the next 4 days. For all of the "manager doesn't matter" crowd Francona was a big difference today.
is nothing to be ashamed of. Nor is a 62-33 record at the break, obviously. The losses in Baltimore are really annoying. But I think Boston literally never losing right now has everyone on edge feeling like this team is really in trouble, when any other season they’d be 5-10 games up at this point.
Playing without Sanchez and Torres on this road trip is a huge blow that can’t be overlooked. Get healthy and come out firing after the break. Schedule is pretty light before heading to Boston beginning of August. Shave a couple games off before then and we’ll be fine
The problem isn't the second inning he threw... the problem is his HR rate has doubled from 2017 to 2018.
You're forgetting the amount of pitches he threw in the pen to warm up and then sitting down between innings as well.
Some guys are just locked in during the one inning and empty the tank mentally. Then sitting between innings knocks them out of whack a bit. Sure they're pros but they're also human. Doing stuff out of the norm for them doesn't usually end well. We saw Betances struggle early this year with going more than one inning as well.
I always go back to the Parcells theory on coaching/managing. Find out what your guys do best and put them in those positions to give them their best chance to succeed.
I've been as critical of Boone as anyone, but Green giving up that HR Â
isn't really a situation for further criticism. Green just didn't get the job done.
If you want to blame anyone for this loss, blame the lineup. They only had 1 baserunner after Hicks was robbed of a RBI hit in the 5th inning. And how many times can guys strikeout looking on this team? Is anyone besides Gardner and Torres protecting the plate with 2 strikes? It's ridiculous.
As others have mentioned, they definitely need Gary back. Romine made such a shitty throw to second on a stolen base attempt yesterday that I thought he hurt his arm.
Stanton and Judge. Both love to wave at the slider off the plate. Such weak at bats.
You complain a lot about Judge. Sort of odd considering he’s our best hitter
Are you watching the games? He should be one of the best and he is, but his flails at sliders are embarrassing. It is like he does not recognize the pitches or what they are doing to him. He either needs to get more aggressive early in the count or make contact when he gets a pitch to hit. Think about it, I'll bet you can sit there and tell me how to pitch to him. You see it 4 times per game. It rarely changes. Think it through.
And his inside power recently has been non-existent. 1st inning hit was one of the few balls he has tattooed to left that I can remember.
The problem isn't the second inning he threw... the problem is his HR rate has doubled from 2017 to 2018.
You're forgetting the amount of pitches he threw in the pen to warm up and then sitting down between innings as well.
Some guys are just locked in during the one inning and empty the tank mentally. Then sitting between innings knocks them out of whack a bit. Sure they're pros but they're also human. Doing stuff out of the norm for them doesn't usually end well. We saw Betances struggle early this year with going more than one inning as well.
I always go back to the Parcells theory on coaching/managing. Find out what your guys do best and put them in those positions to give them their best chance to succeed.
Bullcrap. He just didn't get the job done... he's giving up more HRs this season than he did last year. The 900 foot GW HR he gave up to Juan Soto in Washington was in his first inning of work. Considering they did jackshit on offense, there's no way you can use the excuse of him being on the bench too long. Green was probably baseball's best multiple inning relief pitcher last season.
isn't really a situation for further criticism. Green just didn't get the job done.
If you want to blame anyone for this loss, blame the lineup. They only had 1 baserunner after Hicks was robbed of a RBI hit in the 5th inning. And how many times can guys strikeout looking on this team? Is anyone besides Gardner and Torres protecting the plate with 2 strikes? It's ridiculous.
As others have mentioned, they definitely need Gary back. Romine made such a shitty throw to second on a stolen base attempt yesterday that I thought he hurt his arm.
I agree with most of your thoughts here but have to disagree with the first one.
It's fair to question the manager's thinking on leaving guys in when it's bit them in the ass a couple of times before on this trip alone. Tanaka and CC in Baltimore, Geeen today.
It's one thing if he had no other options but in these three he had plenty of arms available, yet decided not to go to them and rode each guy too long. Fool me once, ok but three times in eight games? IMO, Green should not have been in there in the 8th.
Stanton and Judge. Both love to wave at the slider off the plate. Such weak at bats.
You complain a lot about Judge. Sort of odd considering he’s our best hitter
Are you watching the games? He should be one of the best and he is, but his flails at sliders are embarrassing. It is like he does not recognize the pitches or what they are doing to him. He either needs to get more aggressive early in the count or make contact when he gets a pitch to hit. Think about it, I'll bet you can sit there and tell me how to pitch to him. You see it 4 times per game. It rarely changes. Think it through.
And his inside power recently has been non-existent. 1st inning hit was one of the few balls he has tattooed to left that I can remember.
He’s 6’7, he’s going to strike out a lot. It is literally inevitable at that size. Might as well accept it. You said it first, he’s one of the best. Stop there.
is nothing to be ashamed of. Nor is a 62-33 record at the break, obviously. The losses in Baltimore are really annoying. But I think Boston literally never losing right now has everyone on edge feeling like this team is really in trouble, when any other season they’d be 5-10 games up at this point.
Playing without Sanchez and Torres on this road trip is a huge blow that can’t be overlooked. Get healthy and come out firing after the break. Schedule is pretty light before heading to Boston beginning of August. Shave a couple games off before then and we’ll be fine
Yea? check out boston's schedule out of the break. Another 2 weeks battling the Lilliputians they play .900 ball against. we don't play really good ball out of the break and we may find ourselves 6 or 7 down heading into Boston.
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The problem isn't the second inning he threw... the problem is his HR rate has doubled from 2017 to 2018.
You're forgetting the amount of pitches he threw in the pen to warm up and then sitting down between innings as well.
Some guys are just locked in during the one inning and empty the tank mentally. Then sitting between innings knocks them out of whack a bit. Sure they're pros but they're also human. Doing stuff out of the norm for them doesn't usually end well. We saw Betances struggle early this year with going more than one inning as well.
I always go back to the Parcells theory on coaching/managing. Find out what your guys do best and put them in those positions to give them their best chance to succeed.
Bullcrap. He just didn't get the job done... he's giving up more HRs this season than he did last year. The 900 foot GW HR he gave up to Juan Soto in Washington was in his first inning of work. Considering they did jackshit on offense, there's no way you can use the excuse of him being on the bench too long. Green was probably baseball's best multiple inning relief pitcher last season.
I never said he sat too long only by sitting between innings he definitely lost something IMO.
It shouldn't really make a difference but has he ever been an 8th inning guy? Regardless of last year, today they had plenty of arms ready to go in the pen before the break and IMO he should've went to one. Why even have Betances warming in the 7th if he wasn't going to bring him in in the 8th?
It just seemed like a needless gamble to me to keep Green in another inning and it's fair for anyone to question the thinking behind that given all the circumstances today i.e. last game before the break.
Had it been a long inning for Green on the bench, he looked crappy, Â
or he threw too many pitches, I would say, "Sure, why is he pitching this second inning?"
- Green threw 8 pitches in his first inning.
- The only hit he gave up was because Didi went to cover the bag.
- He got Lindor to fly out.
- The Yankees made 3 outs against Carrasco with record speed (THE REAL PROBLEM)
He came back in and gave up the HR. Maybe he should've been yanked right after that, but there was nothing before that to indicate he shouldn't pitch to Brantley. He's been good in 2018, but not as good as he was last year. Oh well.
is nothing to be ashamed of. Nor is a 62-33 record at the break, obviously. The losses in Baltimore are really annoying. But I think Boston literally never losing right now has everyone on edge feeling like this team is really in trouble, when any other season they’d be 5-10 games up at this point.
Playing without Sanchez and Torres on this road trip is a huge blow that can’t be overlooked. Get healthy and come out firing after the break. Schedule is pretty light before heading to Boston beginning of August. Shave a couple games off before then and we’ll be fine
Yea? check out boston's schedule out of the break. Another 2 weeks battling the Lilliputians they play .900 ball against. we don't play really good ball out of the break and we may find ourselves 6 or 7 down heading into Boston.
And Boston has a ton of home games in the 2nd half of the season.
RE: Had it been a long inning for Green on the bench, he looked crappy, Â
or he threw too many pitches, I would say, "Sure, why is he pitching this second inning?"
- Green threw 8 pitches in his first inning.
- The only hit he gave up was because Didi went to cover the bag.
- He got Lindor to fly out.
- The Yankees made 3 outs against Carrasco with record speed (THE REAL PROBLEM)
He came back in and gave up the HR. Maybe he should've been yanked right after that, but there was nothing before that to indicate he shouldn't pitch to Brantley. He's been good in 2018, but not as good as he was last year. Oh well.
Great so then whats the excuse to keep him in there after the post HR total meltdown? 1 run vs a shaky Allen is eminently doable. 3 is a prayer.
is nothing to be ashamed of. Nor is a 62-33 record at the break, obviously. The losses in Baltimore are really annoying. But I think Boston literally never losing right now has everyone on edge feeling like this team is really in trouble, when any other season they’d be 5-10 games up at this point.
Playing without Sanchez and Torres on this road trip is a huge blow that can’t be overlooked. Get healthy and come out firing after the break. Schedule is pretty light before heading to Boston beginning of August. Shave a couple games off before then and we’ll be fine
Yea? check out boston's schedule out of the break. Another 2 weeks battling the Lilliputians they play .900 ball against. we don't play really good ball out of the break and we may find ourselves 6 or 7 down heading into Boston.
And Boston has a ton of home games in the 2nd half of the season.
I guess the season is over then.
It’s a crappy loss, the team looks tired, we split the series, life goes on.
Give up, Dave. Just don’t come posting in a few weeks telling us how much you love this team and you knew all along. Deal?
Wait, what? Where did I say that the season is over or anything of the like? Stating that Boston has alot of home games in the 2nd half? That doesn't mean it's impossible. Holy over-reaction.
or he threw too many pitches, I would say, "Sure, why is he pitching this second inning?"
- Green threw 8 pitches in his first inning.
- The only hit he gave up was because Didi went to cover the bag.
- He got Lindor to fly out.
- The Yankees made 3 outs against Carrasco with record speed (THE REAL PROBLEM)
He came back in and gave up the HR. Maybe he should've been yanked right after that, but there was nothing before that to indicate he shouldn't pitch to Brantley. He's been good in 2018, but not as good as he was last year. Oh well.
All good points and I'm not disagreeing with any of them, except I think he did his job in the 7th and that was all we needed from him. Getting Lindor out to end the 7th was huge and I think he lost his edge after that. He didn't need to go out for the 8th with Betances ready and plenty of other arms as well.
Another game I probably wouldn't feel the same about it as I do today. With the break coming it was a questionable move to me.
Um, Boston does have the better team thus far. Are you disputing that? That doesn't mean I'm all of a sudden going to stop watching the games. Stating another team is better than your team means I'm no longer a fan and have given up?
in a normal year we'd be 5 up and of course we'd have been fine with this week. This isn't a normal year though. So I'd think we'd have a little more latitude to get a tad more intense about a horrific week in the standings in July than we would most years.
- Outside of the rookies, has anyone on this offense played as well as they possibly can or as consistently?
- We lost a grand total of TWO series to teams with winning records and Tampa didn't even have a winning record when we lost that series to them.
We had an excellent first half record wise. There's no reason to be morose about the team.
You just know that they're getting bullpen help at the trade deadline. And there's a home run. Fuck.
He was hooked on tobacco, so now he chews gum constantly. One of my coworkers used to chew tobacco and does the same thing - chomps away on gum all day.
I was thinking the same thing. He had Betances warming up last inning and I thought for sure he was coming in to start this inning.
I like Boone but he does some things that have me wondering why. I'm sure he has his reasons but it's as if he was thinking this game was going deep into extras and wanted to steal another inning out of Green.
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about Sanchez’s defense when he comes back. Teams steal bases at will when he’s out. That was embarrassing
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Yeah I hate that as a fan and can only imagine how a batter feels.
There's absolutely no way an ump can watch the pitch and the bat at the same time. Especially when the pitch isn't right down the middle. Balls in the dirt..forget about it. No F'ing way to see both.
Comment of the thread. True and too bad.
Playing without Sanchez and Torres on this road trip is a huge blow that can’t be overlooked. Get healthy and come out firing after the break. Schedule is pretty light before heading to Boston beginning of August. Shave a couple games off before then and we’ll be fine
You're forgetting the amount of pitches he threw in the pen to warm up and then sitting down between innings as well.
Some guys are just locked in during the one inning and empty the tank mentally. Then sitting between innings knocks them out of whack a bit. Sure they're pros but they're also human. Doing stuff out of the norm for them doesn't usually end well. We saw Betances struggle early this year with going more than one inning as well.
I always go back to the Parcells theory on coaching/managing. Find out what your guys do best and put them in those positions to give them their best chance to succeed.
If you want to blame anyone for this loss, blame the lineup. They only had 1 baserunner after Hicks was robbed of a RBI hit in the 5th inning. And how many times can guys strikeout looking on this team? Is anyone besides Gardner and Torres protecting the plate with 2 strikes? It's ridiculous.
As others have mentioned, they definitely need Gary back. Romine made such a shitty throw to second on a stolen base attempt yesterday that I thought he hurt his arm.
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Stanton and Judge. Both love to wave at the slider off the plate. Such weak at bats.
You complain a lot about Judge. Sort of odd considering he’s our best hitter
Are you watching the games? He should be one of the best and he is, but his flails at sliders are embarrassing. It is like he does not recognize the pitches or what they are doing to him. He either needs to get more aggressive early in the count or make contact when he gets a pitch to hit. Think about it, I'll bet you can sit there and tell me how to pitch to him. You see it 4 times per game. It rarely changes. Think it through.
And his inside power recently has been non-existent. 1st inning hit was one of the few balls he has tattooed to left that I can remember.
Should he spank the team?
Holy shit.
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The problem isn't the second inning he threw... the problem is his HR rate has doubled from 2017 to 2018.
You're forgetting the amount of pitches he threw in the pen to warm up and then sitting down between innings as well.
Some guys are just locked in during the one inning and empty the tank mentally. Then sitting between innings knocks them out of whack a bit. Sure they're pros but they're also human. Doing stuff out of the norm for them doesn't usually end well. We saw Betances struggle early this year with going more than one inning as well.
I always go back to the Parcells theory on coaching/managing. Find out what your guys do best and put them in those positions to give them their best chance to succeed.
Bullcrap. He just didn't get the job done... he's giving up more HRs this season than he did last year. The 900 foot GW HR he gave up to Juan Soto in Washington was in his first inning of work. Considering they did jackshit on offense, there's no way you can use the excuse of him being on the bench too long. Green was probably baseball's best multiple inning relief pitcher last season.
What do you expect him to do? Green has pitched multiple innings all season. The game was tied. They are 29 games over 500 and Boone is an idiot. SMH.
If you want to blame anyone for this loss, blame the lineup. They only had 1 baserunner after Hicks was robbed of a RBI hit in the 5th inning. And how many times can guys strikeout looking on this team? Is anyone besides Gardner and Torres protecting the plate with 2 strikes? It's ridiculous.
As others have mentioned, they definitely need Gary back. Romine made such a shitty throw to second on a stolen base attempt yesterday that I thought he hurt his arm.
I agree with most of your thoughts here but have to disagree with the first one.
It's fair to question the manager's thinking on leaving guys in when it's bit them in the ass a couple of times before on this trip alone. Tanaka and CC in Baltimore, Geeen today.
It's one thing if he had no other options but in these three he had plenty of arms available, yet decided not to go to them and rode each guy too long. Fool me once, ok but three times in eight games? IMO, Green should not have been in there in the 8th.
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Stanton and Judge. Both love to wave at the slider off the plate. Such weak at bats.
You complain a lot about Judge. Sort of odd considering he’s our best hitter
Are you watching the games? He should be one of the best and he is, but his flails at sliders are embarrassing. It is like he does not recognize the pitches or what they are doing to him. He either needs to get more aggressive early in the count or make contact when he gets a pitch to hit. Think about it, I'll bet you can sit there and tell me how to pitch to him. You see it 4 times per game. It rarely changes. Think it through.
And his inside power recently has been non-existent. 1st inning hit was one of the few balls he has tattooed to left that I can remember.
He’s 6’7, he’s going to strike out a lot. It is literally inevitable at that size. Might as well accept it. You said it first, he’s one of the best. Stop there.
Playing without Sanchez and Torres on this road trip is a huge blow that can’t be overlooked. Get healthy and come out firing after the break. Schedule is pretty light before heading to Boston beginning of August. Shave a couple games off before then and we’ll be fine
Yea? check out boston's schedule out of the break. Another 2 weeks battling the Lilliputians they play .900 ball against. we don't play really good ball out of the break and we may find ourselves 6 or 7 down heading into Boston.
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The problem isn't the second inning he threw... the problem is his HR rate has doubled from 2017 to 2018.
You're forgetting the amount of pitches he threw in the pen to warm up and then sitting down between innings as well.
Some guys are just locked in during the one inning and empty the tank mentally. Then sitting between innings knocks them out of whack a bit. Sure they're pros but they're also human. Doing stuff out of the norm for them doesn't usually end well. We saw Betances struggle early this year with going more than one inning as well.
I always go back to the Parcells theory on coaching/managing. Find out what your guys do best and put them in those positions to give them their best chance to succeed.
Bullcrap. He just didn't get the job done... he's giving up more HRs this season than he did last year. The 900 foot GW HR he gave up to Juan Soto in Washington was in his first inning of work. Considering they did jackshit on offense, there's no way you can use the excuse of him being on the bench too long. Green was probably baseball's best multiple inning relief pitcher last season.
I never said he sat too long only by sitting between innings he definitely lost something IMO.
It shouldn't really make a difference but has he ever been an 8th inning guy? Regardless of last year, today they had plenty of arms ready to go in the pen before the break and IMO he should've went to one. Why even have Betances warming in the 7th if he wasn't going to bring him in in the 8th?
It just seemed like a needless gamble to me to keep Green in another inning and it's fair for anyone to question the thinking behind that given all the circumstances today i.e. last game before the break.
- Green threw 8 pitches in his first inning.
- The only hit he gave up was because Didi went to cover the bag.
- He got Lindor to fly out.
- The Yankees made 3 outs against Carrasco with record speed (THE REAL PROBLEM)
He came back in and gave up the HR. Maybe he should've been yanked right after that, but there was nothing before that to indicate he shouldn't pitch to Brantley. He's been good in 2018, but not as good as he was last year. Oh well.
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is nothing to be ashamed of. Nor is a 62-33 record at the break, obviously. The losses in Baltimore are really annoying. But I think Boston literally never losing right now has everyone on edge feeling like this team is really in trouble, when any other season they’d be 5-10 games up at this point.
Playing without Sanchez and Torres on this road trip is a huge blow that can’t be overlooked. Get healthy and come out firing after the break. Schedule is pretty light before heading to Boston beginning of August. Shave a couple games off before then and we’ll be fine
Yea? check out boston's schedule out of the break. Another 2 weeks battling the Lilliputians they play .900 ball against. we don't play really good ball out of the break and we may find ourselves 6 or 7 down heading into Boston.
And Boston has a ton of home games in the 2nd half of the season.
- Green threw 8 pitches in his first inning.
- The only hit he gave up was because Didi went to cover the bag.
- He got Lindor to fly out.
- The Yankees made 3 outs against Carrasco with record speed (THE REAL PROBLEM)
He came back in and gave up the HR. Maybe he should've been yanked right after that, but there was nothing before that to indicate he shouldn't pitch to Brantley. He's been good in 2018, but not as good as he was last year. Oh well.
Great so then whats the excuse to keep him in there after the post HR total meltdown? 1 run vs a shaky Allen is eminently doable. 3 is a prayer.
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is nothing to be ashamed of. Nor is a 62-33 record at the break, obviously. The losses in Baltimore are really annoying. But I think Boston literally never losing right now has everyone on edge feeling like this team is really in trouble, when any other season they’d be 5-10 games up at this point.
Playing without Sanchez and Torres on this road trip is a huge blow that can’t be overlooked. Get healthy and come out firing after the break. Schedule is pretty light before heading to Boston beginning of August. Shave a couple games off before then and we’ll be fine
Yea? check out boston's schedule out of the break. Another 2 weeks battling the Lilliputians they play .900 ball against. we don't play really good ball out of the break and we may find ourselves 6 or 7 down heading into Boston.
And Boston has a ton of home games in the 2nd half of the season.
I guess the season is over then.
It’s a crappy loss, the team looks tired, we split the series, life goes on.
Wait, what? Where did I say that the season is over or anything of the like? Stating that Boston has alot of home games in the 2nd half? That doesn't mean it's impossible. Holy over-reaction.
Seemed pretty defeated here, no?
- Green threw 8 pitches in his first inning.
- The only hit he gave up was because Didi went to cover the bag.
- He got Lindor to fly out.
- The Yankees made 3 outs against Carrasco with record speed (THE REAL PROBLEM)
He came back in and gave up the HR. Maybe he should've been yanked right after that, but there was nothing before that to indicate he shouldn't pitch to Brantley. He's been good in 2018, but not as good as he was last year. Oh well.
All good points and I'm not disagreeing with any of them, except I think he did his job in the 7th and that was all we needed from him. Getting Lindor out to end the 7th was huge and I think he lost his edge after that. He didn't need to go out for the 8th with Betances ready and plenty of other arms as well.
Another game I probably wouldn't feel the same about it as I do today. With the break coming it was a questionable move to me.
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but Boston it just the better team.
Seemed pretty defeated here, no?
Um, Boston does have the better team thus far. Are you disputing that? That doesn't mean I'm all of a sudden going to stop watching the games. Stating another team is better than your team means I'm no longer a fan and have given up?
Great logic there.
They've been without their 2 best hitters and just got Tanaka back.
The schedule evens out in the long run.
Cashman will get some help at the TD.
Jesus.
- We lost a grand total of TWO series to teams with winning records and Tampa didn't even have a winning record when we lost that series to them.
We had an excellent first half record wise. There's no reason to be morose about the team.