Jax is running the ball pretty much every play. Even when Bortles takes it he tucks and runs. I'm just focused on LG 77 and he is handling both Heyward and Alualu. He's not rocking them back, but he gets them turned the way he wants. Both Fournette and Yeldon are often going right behind him. Just scored their 3rd TD behind Omameh. Maybe an underrated signing?
He could FALL FORWARD and be better than John Jerry.
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Tra Turner - 3rd round
Daryl Williams - 4th round
Hopefully Omameh is just his next find and becomes a stable presence at RG because that would go a long way to solidifying the line.
I will be keeping a close eye during the preseason on Omameh, Evan Brown, Nick Gates, and Chad Wheeler.
Omameh and Flowers I feel will be much better......
Omameh and Flowers I feel will be much better......
I'm glad that Flowers won't be handed a starting spot this year. Shurmur will start Wheeler if he beats out Flowers during training camp and the preseason. If Flowers wants to start in order to secure a potential big payday in free agency then he will have to earn it. What a novel idea!
I seriously couldn't even say if guys like Jennings, Perkins, etc were even bad running backs because the lines have been so unbelievably wretched.
Big question mark is Flowers but I thought he held his own at times last year. We all know he cant bend well and will still get beat by speed rushers around the edge at times but he is an enormous man that might at least be able to be good in the running game also.
Good lord I'm ready to get this season started.
I seriously couldn't even say if guys like Jennings, Perkins, etc were even bad running backs because the lines have been so unbelievably wretched.
Big question mark is Flowers but I thought he held his own at times last year. We all know he cant bend well and will still get beat by speed rushers around the edge at times but he is an enormous man that might at least be able to be good in the running game also.
Good lord I'm ready to get this season started.
I’m not saying Eli can carry this team like he did in 2011, but he can technically have a better running game and a three headed monster to throw to, all like 2011. The defense was not good that year,
I wouldn’t count out this Team being able to go far if this OL is every average.
He's a journeyman, who's last team quickly spent huge money to replace him as their number 1 priority.
You can cherry pick good games and sequences of just about any pro athlete.
Poor offensive line play has a domino impact on a team and is almost impossible to overcome, unless you have a quarterback mobile enough to still make plays. Even then, it s unlikely the team will be a serious contender.
But the Giants were 3-13 last season, hard to buy into the idea they can be unstoppable; hope I m wrong there too.
then he added probably the best or 2nd best OG in the draft in hernandez, if this line stays healthy they should be very good but if one of the big 4 starters get a lengthy injury they could be in trouble,but that jones/halapio battle is good for them thou, either way they get a starter and decent depth there which is a start,wheeler and flowers also battle for RT as well he wont be handed this job without earning it
now gettleman can work on building some depth behind the starters along the OL but until that happens its still a weak area on the team, as is the cornerback position thou hopefully beal was worth the pick helps there too,and apple plays more like his rookie year than he did last year, which by all signs looks like he might be from reports so far
Jerry and Greco aren’t starters but as backups/subs? They are fine. I’d still like to add a veteran swing tackle after cuts but our depth seems to be pretty good for once.
So let me get this straight. If the Giants suddenly have a good offensive line (admittedly a big if) they wouldn’t have an elite/top offense? Seriously?
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Omameh and Flowers I feel will be much better......
I'm glad that Flowers won't be handed a starting spot this year. Shurmur will start Wheeler if he beats out Flowers during training camp and the preseason. If Flowers wants to start in order to secure a potential big payday in free agency then he will have to earn it. What a novel idea!
That's more on Reese than McAdoo. Even if he had an open competition for OL spots, the depth was so bad it wouldn't have mattered.
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If I'm not mistaken, wasn't Gettleman our pro personnel guy when we signed O'Hara and McKenzie? Two very solid signings.
I have no idea whether Omameh will be good or not, but People are discounting the possibility--even with the addition of Solder and Hernandez--that our line will be worse this year. Two teams gave big money to Pugh and Richburg, Jacksonville made it a priority to upgrade Omameh, and their GM is Coughlin, a guy most people respect and blame Reese for sabotaging him with a bad OL. So, I am going to wait and see how this plays out. Hernandez could be a bust or could have a longer learning curve than many on here think or he could be a stud--nobody at this point knows. It is just too early to tell and I think people are building expectations that might be too high based on DG's supposed OL prowess in Carolina. My only thought is that the Oline is still a major question mark and we have just begun to fix it. My gut tells me that it will still be a weakness this year, but again it is really nothing more than a hunch. The proof will be on the field.
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If I'm not mistaken, wasn't Gettleman our pro personnel guy when we signed O'Hara and McKenzie? Two very solid signings.
Great signings. If Reese were to find players like thrm, he wouldn't have gotten canned.
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bit at this point and as has been pointed out by some, I have to believe DG and his personnel guys, know their OL and that Oma is not meh..
I have no idea whether Omameh will be good or not, but People are discounting the possibility--even with the addition of Solder and Hernandez--that our line will be worse this year. Two teams gave big money to Pugh and Richburg, Jacksonville made it a priority to upgrade Omameh, and their GM is Coughlin, a guy most people respect and blame Reese for sabotaging him with a bad OL. So, I am going to wait and see how this plays out. Hernandez could be a bust or could have a longer learning curve than many on here think or he could be a stud--nobody at this point knows. It is just too early to tell and I think people are building expectations that might be too high based on DG's supposed OL prowess in Carolina. My only thought is that the Oline is still a major question mark and we have just begun to fix it. My gut tells me that it will still be a weakness this year, but again it is really nothing more than a hunch. The proof will be on the field.
Agreed on all accounts. I am cautiously optimistic but can certainly see the potential flaws. Hernandez has not taken a snap yet in the NFL, he could be great, he could be average, he could be absolutely terrible. One thing that’s hard to dispute is that he will have a learning curve. Solder is in a new environment with a new system. The Patriots didn’t seem particularly distraught to see him go, same with the Oma and the Jaguars.
You basically have an entirely new offensive line paired with a qb whose looked every bit his age over the past 2 seasons. It’s not a stretch to see where this whole thing unravels. I’ve seen a lot of hype around this team from the fans, reading things like “we’ll” be unstoppable is utter nonsense. Let’s see how everything gels. We may very well be sitting next off-season running all this team did is kick the rebuild down the road one year.
This team was 3-13 last year and had far too many holes to fix in one offseason.
Gettleman finally identified that the OL was a massive problem and addressed it about as much as he could have in a single offseason.
I expect them to be better next year, but we'll still need another year or two to get this line playing at a high level, IMO.
That said, there's no reason it can't be passable this year. It doesn't have to be great - it just can't be awful again.
LOL, I see what you did there '56
He's a journeyman, who's last team quickly spent huge money to replace him as their number 1 priority.
You can cherry pick good games and sequences of just about any pro athlete.
The Jags replaced him with an all-pro guard. Just bc they upgraded the position doesn’t mean Omameh sucks. You make it seem like the Jags let him walk and signed DJ Fluker to replace him.
Let's be factually correct. He signed a 3 year contract. The $900K salary is purposely low the first year to fit the signing bonus and guarantees under the cap the first year. He'll average $5M/yr. We had to fudge the numbers to accommodate the cap. Besides his signing bonus being guaranteed, we guaranteed his 2018 and 2019 salary for a total of $10M due at signing.
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Whoa Nellie...
So let me get this straight. If the Giants suddenly have a good offensive line (admittedly a big if) they wouldn’t have an elite/top offense? Seriously?
Damn injuries could sink the team again.
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Whoa Nellie...
So let me get this straight. If the Giants suddenly have a good offensive line (admittedly a big if) they wouldn’t have an elite/top offense? Seriously?
First of all a team is Offense + Defense + Special Teams. A million other variables including brand new coaching, new defensive scheme, injuries, schedule...what am I missing??
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Whoa Nellie...
So let me get this straight. If the Giants suddenly have a good offensive line (admittedly a big if) they wouldn’t have an elite/top offense? Seriously?
First of all a team is Offense + Defense + Special Teams. A million other variables including brand new coaching, new defensive scheme, injuries, schedule...what am I missing??
I understand that but I also think the Giants likely have the best collection of skill position players in the NFL at this point and a 2 Time Super Bowl MVP that has proven he can still be effective with protection and he hasn't lost much arm strength. I also think every unit of the team has been improved outside of maybe special teams. The big question is the offensive line for me. It could lead to us being a sub .500 team again. That might even be realistic. But if it is somehow "lights out" and suddenly an upper tier unit like we are theoretically suggesting (it won't be) only injuries will be able to stop us at that point.
And no I'm not saying you can automatically raise another championship in the rafters but I am saying we are suddenly a top team with a good of a chance as anyone. We are likely more than just a wild card team at that point, but a legit SB threat.
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Whoa Nellie...
So let me get this straight. If the Giants suddenly have a good offensive line (admittedly a big if) they wouldn’t have an elite/top offense? Seriously?
Damn injuries could sink the team again.
Of course and that's true every year, for every team.
The two keys for me are health and the O-line.
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Than John Jerry.
He could FALL FORWARD and be better than John Jerry.
Suppose Flowers has a break out year it's not out of the question I think going to the right side may take some of the psychological pressure off him and he is able to use his strength more in the run game .
David B. : 7/15/2018 8:53 pm : link : reply
Than John Jerry.
He could FALL FORWARD and be better than John Jerry.
Suppose Flowers has a break out year it's not out of the question I think going to the right side may take some of the psychological pressure off him and he is able to use his strength more in the run game .
Flowers having a break out year is out of the question. He lacks some of the fundamental skills of NFL tackles, such as bending well and a good first punch. The ceiling for him is competence.