Probably? that and forgetting how to use a full back or helping out the tackles with a tight end. When you hitch your wagon to Gino Smith you get what you asked for.
Disagree. Ask yourself this....if Manning never got benched and we finished the season and lost every game. Does he get fired? The answer is no.
Also, not that it matters, but he didn't hitch his wagon to Geno, he hitched his wagon to the fact that Eli wasn't the guy for his system. He's basically been saying that since he took over as HC.
3-13, no benching, and you think he stays? Disagree
Without Eli he's got no wagon. The guy essentially gets his job because Eli played well with him as OC, then he decides Eli is the wrong guy for his system? His system sucked, with or without Eli, and McAdoo sucked as a HC
His second year was a season where so much was wrong it would be difficult almost impossible to bring him back.
But benching Eli was one of the things he did right. I believed and still do it was the correct decision to play both Geno and Webb once the Giants were out of the play off hunt.
It puzzles me how much scorn Geno gets from some. He is young with better than average arm talent
Yes he has been mistake prone, but some guys take longer to get it. Many of the same things being said about Geno were being said about Simms back in the 70 s and early 80
Not saying he s a Simms, but playing him wasn t the ridiculous blunder some of you make it out to be.
but there's little chance he's still head coach if the benching didn't happen.
Funny how he said this:
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At the time, we were 2-9, beat up, and I told Eli we wanted to see the other quarterbacks on the roster—including our promising rookie, Davis Webb.
Sorry, I must have missed Davis Webb on the field against the Raiders. I remember Geno Smith, who was never going to be the future quarterback of the Giants.
It may have been the last straw, but his overall incompetence got him fired.
He was in way over his head.
Disagree. Ask yourself this....if Manning never got benched and we finished the season and lost every game. Does he get fired? The answer is no.
Also, not that it matters, but he didn't hitch his wagon to Geno, he hitched his wagon to the fact that Eli wasn't the guy for his system. He's basically been saying that since he took over as HC.
I think there is a very good chance he would have been fired even if the Manning situation never happened. I have been watching since 1976, and that was the first season that I found to be completely unwatchable after a certain point.
Reece/McAdoo figured they were fired at the end of the season Â
They figured they were done at the end of the season unless they did something drastic. So they benched Eli to go with to Davis Webb after 1 week of Geno Smith. The hope was that Webb would show enough that he could be called the future and keep their jobs.
I doubt Webb was ready to start. He is a project QB. The Giants are capped out, so going into rebuilding mode and scrapping Eli does not make alot of sense. The bottom line is if Webb was starting and he was even 'meh', it meant Eli was gone after the season.
It may have been the last straw, but his overall incompetence got him fired.
He was in way over his head.
Disagree. Ask yourself this....if Manning never got benched and we finished the season and lost every game. Does he get fired? The answer is no.
Also, not that it matters, but he didn't hitch his wagon to Geno, he hitched his wagon to the fact that Eli wasn't the guy for his system. He's basically been saying that since he took over as HC.
. A good coach tweaks his system.
You can say that, but Gilbride didn't do this even while admitting he was fully aware that the offensive line wasn't up to par. That 2013 season was a Trainwreck.
Gilbride did change the offense up in 13. The giants went to a shorter passing game. It was about the best that could be done. His hands were tied. You're not remembering correctly TTH
I think MacAdoo is our HC this season if the Manning situation doesn't happen. We were 11-5 the prior season and had a playoff appearance. Last year was a clusterf*ck of epic proportions and most is on MacAdoo, but I think they give him a longer leash.
no way. The team was a circus. And a bad one at that.
He was not flexible enough with the players he had. He kept trying to run a very tight WCO and his players did not fit that offense. I alao think that the front office had decided to fire Reese late in the season and that there was no sense keeping McAdoo in place for the new GM who would prefer his own HC. There were other issues such as the drmatic decline of the defense last year.. But the fact remains that the Giants never scored 30 or more points in any game coached by NcAdoo... so there was definitely a problem in the way he scheemed his plays and called plays. He defintely confused Eli with Aaron Rodgers. He just expected Eli to execute similar plays as Rodgers without having Rodgers mobilty and without a decent O-line to protect him, and most notabliy at LT, where he seldom gave the sruggling Flowers any help.
flowers wasnt cutting it and he didnt give him any TE help to chip his guy,hart was equally ineffectual at RT as well he didnt try wheeler at LT and flowers at RT even once or use double TE sets,or shift engram to WR once the injuried hit and use ellison or adams to run the quick slants he had engram run instead
he played virtually every down with 11 personnel allowing the defence an easy time of assigning thier defence to stop it as they knew they were only going to face 11 personnel and nothing else,stop OBJ you won simple
once his awful scheme got the ENTIRE wr corp injured for the year or banged up he threw rookie WR's in there from the bottom of the depth chart and practice squad while better catchers at the TE position warmed the bench
you have a dynamic TE with the best speed in the game at the position who should be stretching the defence with that speed constantly running quick pass routes and expecting him to elude and outrun the defence every down,the starting WR corp is decimated and you have a great route runner with WR speed stuck at TE?
when they did occasionally get the ball into scoring positions he continually went for it on 4th down instead of kicking field goals they could have won several more games if they took 3 points instead of a botched 4th down play that gave the ball away instead
we will never know what might have happened had he not benched eli. i dont think its beyond the realms of possibility that he doesnt get another chance and points to the injuries (which were numerous in key positions and decimated entire units), that he could have talked his way into going into this season on a very hot seat but still there. if he hadnt benched eli and not only the benching but how he handled it nobody knows for sure
the fact he went to eli midweek and asked him if he could bench him,if he was going to do it he should have just waited til the kickoff and done it. no talk,no permissions from front office or the owner just went and did it that is true leadership not the crap he pulled that was gutless
he talked in that interview about how it was a doomed/blown season and wanted to see what webb had in a QB rich draft coming up whether he should select any of them or if he had a guy in webb but then he starts geno instead? geno was a bum before he got there ,while he was there and he is still a bum did they need to give up a load of turnovers and another loss to prove what we all knew already?
if you knew it what was doomed season why not play webb even if the outcome was the same you might learn if has anything going for him ,you definately arent going to learn anything playing geno! except that he is probably worse than you already thought he was
the fines and suspensions were on the defence and in the secondry he could easily point the finger for those at spags who isnt clean in that terrible season either and needed to be gone as well in all honesty, but i could see them firing spags and reese and mac talking his way into another season but for that debacle with eli
whether the new GM would have accepted mac is a different story and he may have wanted his guy. say the got gettleman i would be surprised if DG didnt fire him and bring in shurmur himself anyway but mac would have made it to the offseason which would have made it easier to get a job elsewhere than a midseason sacking does
as has already been said its already done so who cares what the clown thinks
i hoped he was gone personally, but the giants dont fire coaches easily and they dont generally do it mid season, unless the coach gives them something like that to hang him with which he did and he was
this is all about trying to sound like he learned from his mistakes and is begging for another job elsewhere, this has nothing to do with what he did and everything to do with wanting another chance deserving or not
he was head coach, which was the only playoff we have seen since the 2011 season.
Not defending him, but lets keep things real.
He got fired because its really easy to fire the Head Coach versus the entire team. And they are the ones that really deserve it...
Yeah, let's keep things real. Mcadoo made the playoffs 1 out of the 2 years because the defense played out of its mind. It certainly wasn't because the offense that he was supposed to be some kind of offensive genius of, provided anything.
He was fired simply because he was out of his depth, he lacked leadership, communication and he ran a rudderless offense for 2 years.
If not for his terrible coaching job the Giants would not have SAQUON BARKLEY who I believe will become the best Running Back in team history. Thank You Mac. Your contribution to the Giants will never be forgotten.
waning for years so team fortunes typically swim/sink based on injuries. There have been some teams in the past that have pushed thru it all though and excelled, but definitely more infrequent.
So McAdoo could simply be a decent/avg coach when it comes to win/loss....Give him a healthy team and he makes the playoffs. If injuries overwhelm team, he doesn't stand a chance, like most.
But we clearly know he has some (fatal) flaws though when it comes to dealing with personnel and adapting his approach on the field. Although some coaches just don't get second chances when the shit hits the fan.
As I mentioned, it is easy to fire the HC...and not the team.
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Disagree. Ask yourself this....if Manning never got benched and we finished the season and lost every game. Does he get fired? The answer is no.
Also, not that it matters, but he didn't hitch his wagon to Geno, he hitched his wagon to the fact that Eli wasn't the guy for his system. He's basically been saying that since he took over as HC.
3-13, no benching, and you think he stays? Disagree
Without Eli he's got no wagon. The guy essentially gets his job because Eli played well with him as OC, then he decides Eli is the wrong guy for his system? His system sucked, with or without Eli, and McAdoo sucked as a HC
Our offense was atrocious. How he got the moniker of "offense guru" I'll never know.
Pat Hanlon doing a great job..
But benching Eli was one of the things he did right. I believed and still do it was the correct decision to play both Geno and Webb once the Giants were out of the play off hunt.
It puzzles me how much scorn Geno gets from some. He is young with better than average arm talent
Yes he has been mistake prone, but some guys take longer to get it. Many of the same things being said about Geno were being said about Simms back in the 70 s and early 80
Not saying he s a Simms, but playing him wasn t the ridiculous blunder some of you make it out to be.
Funny how he said this:
Sorry, I must have missed Davis Webb on the field against the Raiders. I remember Geno Smith, who was never going to be the future quarterback of the Giants.
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It may have been the last straw, but his overall incompetence got him fired.
He was in way over his head.
Disagree. Ask yourself this....if Manning never got benched and we finished the season and lost every game. Does he get fired? The answer is no.
Also, not that it matters, but he didn't hitch his wagon to Geno, he hitched his wagon to the fact that Eli wasn't the guy for his system. He's basically been saying that since he took over as HC.
I doubt Webb was ready to start. He is a project QB. The Giants are capped out, so going into rebuilding mode and scrapping Eli does not make alot of sense. The bottom line is if Webb was starting and he was even 'meh', it meant Eli was gone after the season.
It was a desperation move on McAdoos part.
When Eli was benched the comment was made that Webb would be "a few weeks away" from being ready.
It wasn't a 1 week issue, which is part of the reason Mac and Reese were fired mid-season. There was no logic to starting Geno.
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It may have been the last straw, but his overall incompetence got him fired.
He was in way over his head.
Disagree. Ask yourself this....if Manning never got benched and we finished the season and lost every game. Does he get fired? The answer is no.
Also, not that it matters, but he didn't hitch his wagon to Geno, he hitched his wagon to the fact that Eli wasn't the guy for his system. He's basically been saying that since he took over as HC.
. A good coach tweaks his system.
You can say that, but Gilbride didn't do this even while admitting he was fully aware that the offensive line wasn't up to par. That 2013 season was a Trainwreck.
Worst ever .
he played virtually every down with 11 personnel allowing the defence an easy time of assigning thier defence to stop it as they knew they were only going to face 11 personnel and nothing else,stop OBJ you won simple
once his awful scheme got the ENTIRE wr corp injured for the year or banged up he threw rookie WR's in there from the bottom of the depth chart and practice squad while better catchers at the TE position warmed the bench
you have a dynamic TE with the best speed in the game at the position who should be stretching the defence with that speed constantly running quick pass routes and expecting him to elude and outrun the defence every down,the starting WR corp is decimated and you have a great route runner with WR speed stuck at TE?
when they did occasionally get the ball into scoring positions he continually went for it on 4th down instead of kicking field goals they could have won several more games if they took 3 points instead of a botched 4th down play that gave the ball away instead
we will never know what might have happened had he not benched eli. i dont think its beyond the realms of possibility that he doesnt get another chance and points to the injuries (which were numerous in key positions and decimated entire units), that he could have talked his way into going into this season on a very hot seat but still there. if he hadnt benched eli and not only the benching but how he handled it nobody knows for sure
the fact he went to eli midweek and asked him if he could bench him,if he was going to do it he should have just waited til the kickoff and done it. no talk,no permissions from front office or the owner just went and did it that is true leadership not the crap he pulled that was gutless
he talked in that interview about how it was a doomed/blown season and wanted to see what webb had in a QB rich draft coming up whether he should select any of them or if he had a guy in webb but then he starts geno instead? geno was a bum before he got there ,while he was there and he is still a bum did they need to give up a load of turnovers and another loss to prove what we all knew already?
if you knew it what was doomed season why not play webb even if the outcome was the same you might learn if has anything going for him ,you definately arent going to learn anything playing geno! except that he is probably worse than you already thought he was
the fines and suspensions were on the defence and in the secondry he could easily point the finger for those at spags who isnt clean in that terrible season either and needed to be gone as well in all honesty, but i could see them firing spags and reese and mac talking his way into another season but for that debacle with eli
whether the new GM would have accepted mac is a different story and he may have wanted his guy. say the got gettleman i would be surprised if DG didnt fire him and bring in shurmur himself anyway but mac would have made it to the offseason which would have made it easier to get a job elsewhere than a midseason sacking does
as has already been said its already done so who cares what the clown thinks
i hoped he was gone personally, but the giants dont fire coaches easily and they dont generally do it mid season, unless the coach gives them something like that to hang him with which he did and he was
this is all about trying to sound like he learned from his mistakes and is begging for another job elsewhere, this has nothing to do with what he did and everything to do with wanting another chance deserving or not
Not defending him, but lets keep things real.
He got fired because its really easy to fire the Head Coach versus the entire team. And they are the ones that really deserve it...
Not defending him, but lets keep things real.
He got fired because its really easy to fire the Head Coach versus the entire team. And they are the ones that really deserve it...
Yeah, let's keep things real. Mcadoo made the playoffs 1 out of the 2 years because the defense played out of its mind. It certainly wasn't because the offense that he was supposed to be some kind of offensive genius of, provided anything.
He was fired simply because he was out of his depth, he lacked leadership, communication and he ran a rudderless offense for 2 years.
Good riddance
Any other year in the 2010's they've been at least 26th or below.
Let that sink in for a minute.
So McAdoo could simply be a decent/avg coach when it comes to win/loss....Give him a healthy team and he makes the playoffs. If injuries overwhelm team, he doesn't stand a chance, like most.
But we clearly know he has some (fatal) flaws though when it comes to dealing with personnel and adapting his approach on the field. Although some coaches just don't get second chances when the shit hits the fan.
As I mentioned, it is easy to fire the HC...and not the team.