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More from Van Wagenen: “If the Mets don’t share same interest, we believe their best course of action is to seriously consider trade opportunities now.
The inertia of current situation could complicate Jacob’s relationship with the club and creates an atmosphere of indecision.”
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CAA’s Brodie van Wagenen, agent for Jacob deGrom: “We have discussed Jacob’s future with the Mets at length. Jacob has expressed interest in exploring a long-term partnership that would keep him in a Mets uniform for years to come.” 1/2
Mets fans - you have my sympathies. There are bad posters everywhere on all threads of all teams, but this fuckwit seems difficult to ignore.
Mets fans - you have my sympathies. There are bad posters everywhere on all threads of all teams, but this fuckwit seems difficult to ignore.
Fuck yourself dipshit.
Dude, YOU are the mess. A raving, screaming, arm flailing, red-faced mess.
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Everyone else is is an idiot without a clue.
Mets fans - you have my sympathies. There are bad posters everywhere on all threads of all teams, but this fuckwit seems difficult to ignore.
Fuck yourself dipshit.
Nope, you have no leverage
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LOL. This thread is a mess. 90% of the people here are saying the agent and deGrom did nothing wrong. But now they are going nuclear? Most of the people here arent even remotely familiar with deGrom and what's been going on over the last few years anyway. You clearly fall into that boat. Have a nice night.
Dude, YOU are the mess. A raving, screaming, arm flailing, red-faced mess.
No actually, Im not the one cursing other posters out until I get attacked first. But it's not surprising Im sitting here arguing with three fucking Yankee fans all about different topics, all out to prove me wrong about lord knows what.
Oh and of course the best part... deGrom has all the leverage in the world. He's in the driver seat. Mets are fucked.
Lol they actually tried to extend him one year early on. He declined. He wanted more years at a very early point. But carry on.
And yes.... 99.9999999% of all players get extended by a year. Got it.
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99.999999 of owners would leverage the situation to get at least an extra year from a 30-year-old with a sub 2 ERA and a mind-blowing 6 WAR.
Lol they actually tried to extend him one year early on. He declined. He wanted more years at a very early point. But carry on.
And yes.... 99.9999999% of all players get extended by a year. Got it.
I'm gonna give you the benifit of the doubt you're either half way down a handle of bourbon or you're just going bananas, but you really should try and read what others post.
This might be totally bonkers for you to grasp, but not every comment on every Mets thread is aimed at getting a barely thought out, incoherent reaction from you.
Baseball fans can think the Mets ownership and management sucks -- and it truly, truly isn't about you dude.
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In comment 14014610 ZGiants98 said:
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LOL. This thread is a mess. 90% of the people here are saying the agent and deGrom did nothing wrong. But now they are going nuclear? Most of the people here arent even remotely familiar with deGrom and what's been going on over the last few years anyway. You clearly fall into that boat. Have a nice night.
Dude, YOU are the mess. A raving, screaming, arm flailing, red-faced mess.
No actually, Im not the one cursing other posters out until I get attacked first. But it's not surprising Im sitting here arguing with three fucking Yankee fans all about different topics, all out to prove me wrong about lord knows what.
No, you are just the one arguing with 4/5 posters at the same time until they all call you a schmick and then lose it.
Btw, the only one talking about the Yankees really is you. You brought up which prospects would suffice. You brought up a bogus, hypothetical about Yankee fams only willing to give up Drury and loose change for Jacob de Grom. The Yanks fans here have been pretty much talking about the statement de Grom's agent made (the subject of the thread).
Maybe walk away from this like you said you were going to an hour ago and go cry yourself to sleep?
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In comment 14014618 christian said:
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99.999999 of owners would leverage the situation to get at least an extra year from a 30-year-old with a sub 2 ERA and a mind-blowing 6 WAR.
Lol they actually tried to extend him one year early on. He declined. He wanted more years at a very early point. But carry on.
And yes.... 99.9999999% of all players get extended by a year. Got it.
I'm gonna give you the benifit of the doubt you're either half way down a handle of bourbon or you're just going bananas, but you really should try and read what others post.
Lol, if he were cool enough to whack down bourbon like that, he'd probably have lost interest in this thread. I know I would have.
And yes I AM cool enough to whack down boubon like that. 😎
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99.999999 of owners would leverage the situation to get at least an extra year from a 30-year-old with a sub 2 ERA and a mind-blowing 6 WAR.
Lol they actually tried to extend him one year early on. He declined. He wanted more years at a very early point. But carry on.
And yes.... 99.9999999% of all players get extended by a year. Got it.
I'm gonna give you the benifit of the doubt you're either half way down a handle of bourbon or you're just going bananas, but you really should try and read what others post.
This might be totally bonkers for you to grasp, but not every comment on every Mets thread is aimed at getting a barely thought out, incoherent reaction from you.
Baseball fans can think the Mets ownership and management sucks -- and it truly, truly isn't about you dude.
Yup. And I just realized you actually suggested offering deGrom a one-year extension based on what he's doing this year. Yeah you are definitely coherent. Great comment.
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In comment 14014610 ZGiants98 said:
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LOL. This thread is a mess. 90% of the people here are saying the agent and deGrom did nothing wrong. But now they are going nuclear? Most of the people here arent even remotely familiar with deGrom and what's been going on over the last few years anyway. You clearly fall into that boat. Have a nice night.
Dude, YOU are the mess. A raving, screaming, arm flailing, red-faced mess.
No actually, Im not the one cursing other posters out until I get attacked first. But it's not surprising Im sitting here arguing with three fucking Yankee fans all about different topics, all out to prove me wrong about lord knows what.
No, you are just the one arguing with 4/5 posters at the same time until they all call you a schmick and then lose it.
Btw, the only one talking about the Yankees really is you. You brought up which prospects would suffice. You brought up a bogus, hypothetical about Yankee fams only willing to give up Drury and loose change for Jacob de Grom. The Yanks fans here have been pretty much talking about the statement de Grom's agent made (the subject of the thread).
Maybe walk away from this like you said you were going to an hour ago and go cry yourself to sleep?
Thats actually not how any of this has gone down at all. But thanks for your sweet input.
But it's the mets, so they'll re-sign him just for ticket sales maybe.
He's relatively innings young 30 and already endured TJ. He's the exact type of pitcher you work with to extend and build around.
It's the Mets -- they aren't going to sign or trade him. They'll let it play out, probably get tagged with +20M a few times after he wins the Cy Young in arbitration, and lose him for nothing down the road because they're in the wild card chase.
Yup, spot on to what I’m suggesting.
Is your tantrum over yet? You started this entire thing by going bezerk about a quote from an agent and have been backtracking ever since about now not caring about it while twisting the words of every poster who’s responded to you.
Some people don’t agree with you, get over it.
It is one of those scenarios where the Wilpon's have to shit or get off the pot. As a Mets fan, I hope they do right by Jake and pay him. We shall see.
Yeah, I have gotten into it with Z in the past. Dude is a dedicated Mets fan, I will give him that. but if this thread is any indicator, he brings most of this bull shit on himself. I do think some like to see him get riled up and know what buttons to push. With the Mets sucking, we haven't seen a good Z outburst in a while.
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They've been trying to put a team around him since 2015.
But it's the mets, so they'll re-sign him just for ticket sales maybe.
He's relatively innings young 30 and already endured TJ. He's the exact type of pitcher you work with to extend and build around.
It's the Mets -- they aren't going to sign or trade him. They'll let it play out, probably get tagged with +20M a few times after he wins the Cy Young in arbitration, and lose him for nothing down the road because they're in the wild card chase.
Any franchise that was normal would work with him to extend and build around. In a Mets context, they're demonstrating incompetence in building any kind of foundation around him. But sure, it's also very mets to lose him for nothing as well.
I wonder if someone has a stat to show many many games deGrom and Thor have been in the rotation together.
Anyway, I said earlier in the thread, I would extend him, but if I did it now, it would have to be extremely team friendly.
This isn't 23 year old Mike Trout, it's 30 year old deGrom, with a history of TJS and other elbow ailments.
it's not simply something a "normal team" would do to extend that player two and a half years before they have to.
It's actually probably bad business to be honest, but one I could get behind for a variety of reasons. The Mets have a ton of stuff where they deserve to be shit on, but not extending deGrom yet isn't one of them IMO.
I wonder if someone has a stat to show many many games deGrom and Thor have been in the rotation together.
Anyway, I said earlier in the thread, I would extend him, but if I did it now, it would have to be extremely team friendly.
This isn't 23 year old Mike Trout, it's 30 year old deGrom, with a history of TJS and other elbow ailments.
it's not simply something a "normal team" would do to extend that player two and a half years before they have to.
It's actually probably bad business to be honest, but one I could get behind for a variety of reasons. The Mets have a ton of stuff where they deserve to be shit on, but not extending deGrom yet isn't one of them IMO.
Don't disagree with anything, which is why they should be trading him. Unless you can sign him to a team friendly deal, it makes no sense at all to not make him available for trade. The mets need to announce that he's on the block and let teams bid. Of course the Mets don't do things the right way so they will let teams know he's not available, they won't sign him to an extension and then he will get hurt next year and have no value via trade. Book it.
Sale had a longer track record and was a little younger and had another year of control - so I'm not 1 to 1 comparing Sale and deGrom so don't bother taking the thread there, so back off that trade a little, but that's the type of trade I'm looking for to move deGrom with roughly 2.5 years of team control and him being a Cy Young contender.
If not I continue to float team friendly offers to buy out his arbitration years and maybe a couple FA years until I have to either trade or extend him.
Look at the Nationals and Orioles. Both stand to lose franchise cornerstone players for nothing (but a comp pick) and those guys are far younger than deGrom.
If the Mets can't come to agreeable contract terms or receive what they view as a fair trade offer then he walks in his 33 years old season.
That's it. Could care less about anything else. Maybe the Mets trade deGrom. Maybe they don't. It won't be because of anything deGrom and his agent said today that is for sure.
Hammer, completely agree your 11:12 last night. The Wilpons never run out of ways to shit on themselves; unfortunately, DeGrom has to wear it.
I just hope the Wilpon's don't eliminate candidates based on their personal preference. But I stand by my earlier comments that I'm sure they will find a way to completely botch this.
Also as I said when the news broke, I think JDG is 100% right. Now is the time to resign him if you think he's going to be in the Cy Young convo over the next 3-5 years. Or it's the time to cash in if you're not prepared to pay him somewhere between $120-150m. Holding on to him and risking his trade value if you're note going to resign him and playing the arbitration game is retarded.
Because he's basically the Mets version of Baghdad Bob, a propagandist.
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Why do you guys call him "Baghdad Z?"
Because he's basically the Mets version of Baghdad Bob, a propagandist.
Duh. I thought he was this guy:
So much jiggly
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Why do you guys call him "Baghdad Z?"
Because he's basically the Mets version of Baghdad Bob, a propagandist.
Duh. I thought he was this guy:
So much jiggly
Da Metz!
For what? What are you trading him for?
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For what? What are you trading him for?
As much as you can get, obviously. I'm not saying give him away for free. His value will never be higher considering the season he's having. Aim for another Dickey trade.
It would have to be a lot more than Dickey brought back. Best pitcher in baseball this year with two more years of relatively low cost control.
And its not going to be just prospects. Mets are going to want a young player.
So, for example, if it were the Yankees, we are talking something like:
Torres + Florial + another 1A prospect
Yankee fans who are thinking Frazier and Andujar are delusional
I agree. Even beyond matching up, Fred is not trading Degrom to the Yankees. I was just giving an example of the type of package with players
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two teams don't match up. It's not happening.
I agree. Even beyond matching up, Fred is not trading Degrom to the Yankees. I was just giving an example of the type of package with players
The more I think about it, the less I want it to happen. I would rather spend a bunch for a true number 2 like another poster mentioned on another thread...Carlos Martinez. He will cost a bunch, but we may be able to keep Sheffield and 2 of Florial, Frazier, Andujar.
And I fucking missed it.
How do the two teams not match up? They actually match up perfectly.
Forget the names of the teams. One team is looking for an Ace and has quality prospects to spare. The other team has a legit Ace on a great contract and is looking for good prospects. It’s about as perfect a match as you are going to get.
I agree that it won’t happen because neither team is going to want to “lose” the trade and the Wilpons, in general, are mind-numbing idiots. But the two teams have exactly what the other needs.
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And I fucking missed it.
You haven’t seen enough of them, lol?
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two teams don't match up. It's not happening.
How do the two teams not match up? They actually match up perfectly.
Forget the names of the teams. One team is looking for an Ace and has quality prospects to spare. The other team has a legit Ace on a great contract and is looking for good prospects. It’s about as perfect a match as you are going to get.
I agree that it won’t happen because neither team is going to want to “lose” the trade and the Wilpons, in general, are mind-numbing idiots. But the two teams have exactly what the other needs.
Spot on.
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And I fucking missed it.
You haven’t seen enough of them, lol?
A Judge homer? Theres really no such thing as seen enough.
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In comment 14015120 bigbluehoya said:
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And I fucking missed it.
You haven’t seen enough of them, lol?
A Judge homer? Theres really no such thing as seen enough.
Haha, truth.