NFT: Degrom's agent says Mets should extend or trade Degrom

Here are his quotes reacting to what his agent said.

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“We’ve been open to discussing long-term deals with the Mets. There’s been no numbers discussed, and I’ve enjoyed my time here. … I would love it to be here with the Mets. We’ll just have to see what happens. "I would love to play here for my whole career. I think it’s just kind of deciding what we see as the future. It’s something that’s in the Mets’ control, and kind of out of mine.”

The irony of the bolded statement is that literally the only things that haven't been a disaster for this franchise this year have been in JDG's control.

He should have at least 5 more wins this season. He constantly goes 7 or more innings. Such a great player. Too bad he gets limited run support.

I hope he gets rewarded with the contract he deserves or gets traded somewhere he can win. I'm still a very big fan of his and he's been about as much of a good soldier as someone in his shoes possibly could be.

In comment 14014273 arcarsenal said:

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I hope he gets rewarded with the contract he deserves or gets traded somewhere he can win. I'm still a very big fan of his and he's been about as much of a good soldier as someone in his shoes possibly could be.

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He deserves better. I have zero faith the Mets will do the right thing in this situation- whatever that may be. They will completely botch it.

to trade deGrom and/or Thor. The Mets have shown neither the inclination or the ability to build a serious and consistent contender around these guys. Extending them will result in them outlaying a lot of money for 2 pitchers while still mostly ignoring the rest of the roster. There is nothing to indicate the Mets would not continue to waste 2 front line aces in their rotation for the next several years.

if that doesn’t do it, I’d field trade offers.

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then he shouldn't be traded until the new regime is hired in the offseason

In comment 14014273 arcarsenal said:

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I hope he gets rewarded with the contract he deserves or gets traded somewhere he can win. I'm still a very big fan of his and he's been about as much of a good soldier as someone in his shoes possibly could be.

You’re a Yankee fan now?! Wow. You were a great Met fan on this board. I hope you did the same towards the Knicks, because as poorly the Mets have been, the Knicks have been 1000x MORE incompetent.

won't do the right thing with Degrom but they keep Reyes around because of sentimentality...."And that, according to sources within the industry, is because the Wilpon ownership does not believe a release befits a man of Reyes’ stature in franchise lore.".....The Mets blow!!!!

Fuck him and his agent. They seriously are threatening he could become a locker room cancer? Seriously? Things just keep getting better.

the nerve of Degrom.

In comment 14014312 Keith said:

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the nerve of Degrom.

He can ask for an extension all he wants but demand a trade or threaten he could become a distraction? Wtf. Never expected this from him. If this was Harvey people would be on fire right now roasting him. DeGrom has 2.5 years of control left and will be 32 going on 33 when he’s a FA. We don’t have to a damn thing for him.

In comment 14014311 ZGiants98 said:

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Fuck him and his agent. They seriously are threatening he could become a locker room cancer? Seriously? Things just keep getting better.

Probably the best thing to happen if you are a Mets fan. Either they trade him or pay him and hopefully it isn’t dragged out anymore. Someone needs to push management...

In comment 14014303 Sean said:

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In comment 14014273 arcarsenal said: Quote: I hope he gets rewarded with the contract he deserves or gets traded somewhere he can win. I'm still a very big fan of his and he's been about as much of a good soldier as someone in his shoes possibly could be. You’re a Yankee fan now?! Wow. You were a great Met fan on this board. I hope you did the same towards the Knicks, because as poorly the Mets have been, the Knicks have been 1000x MORE incompetent.

Believe it or not, I stuck with the Knicks. I think they're moving in a better direction now and I'd never root for the Nets. I'm also much more of a baseball fan at this point, so it's easier for me to deal with the lost Knicks seasons since I already know Golden State is just going to win yet again.

I just completely ran out of patience and willingness to deal with the Mets. I still hope they turn it around and wish them well - the fans deserve better. It's just not for me anymore. I got way too tired of completely non-competitive seasons like this one, last season, and basically every one since the collapses in 2007 and 2008 sans a flash in the pan WS run in 2015 and being fortunate enough to get to a play in game in 2016 with less than 90 wins.

It's an incompetent, directionless franchise. I just got tired of not being able to enjoy baseball season and have infinitely more faith in the Yankees.

In comment 14014321 UConn4523 said:

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In comment 14014311 ZGiants98 said: Quote: Fuck him and his agent. They seriously are threatening he could become a locker room cancer? Seriously? Things just keep getting better. Probably the best thing to happen if you are a Mets fan. Either they trade him or pay him and hopefully it isn’t dragged out anymore. Someone needs to push management...

Why should I want them to pay him? He’s ours for 2.5 years. We pay him and all the risk is on the team. Fuck that.

That you want the Mets, as of right now, to simply ride out the remaining two+ years of control.

deGrom isn’t saying you need to pay him right now. And he isn’t saying you need to trade him right now. There’s a direct soundbite of him saying it’s all in the Met’s control.

If you read between the lines, he’s saying that he won’t re-sign here in 2.5 years, so do it now or he eventually walks. (Could he be bluffing? Absolutely)

In comment 14014326 ZGiants98 said:

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In comment 14014321 UConn4523 said: Quote: In comment 14014311 ZGiants98 said: Quote: Fuck him and his agent. They seriously are threatening he could become a locker room cancer? Seriously? Things just keep getting better. Probably the best thing to happen if you are a Mets fan. Either they trade him or pay him and hopefully it isn’t dragged out anymore. Someone needs to push management... Why should I want them to pay him? He’s ours for 2.5 years. We pay him and all the risk is on the team. Fuck that.

Because you can’t expect the best player on any team to shut up and deal with being severely underpaid and not winning at all with no plan for the future for 3 straight seasons. How often do star players in baseball go all the way to FA without getting a new deal anyway? Maybe it’s a year early but he’s played nice for a while now.

Coming off years they played well(before free agency) but won’t pay a home grown player, one of the best pitchers in baseball.

In comment 14014335 bigbluehoya said:

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That you want the Mets, as of right now, to simply ride out the remaining two+ years of control. deGrom isn’t saying you need to pay him right now. And he isn’t saying you need to trade him right now. There’s a direct soundbite of him saying it’s all in the Met’s control. If you read between the lines, he’s saying that he won’t re-sign here in 2.5 years, so do it now or he eventually walks. (Could he be bluffing? Absolutely)

I’m not taking his quote that way at all. He’s threatening to become a distraction and asking to be traded if they don’t extend. The best two years of DeGrom remaining years are likely his next two. Pitchers don’t age well. Mets seriously don’t have to do anything. And shouldn’t.

“If the Mets don’t share same interest, we believe their best course of action is to seriously consider trade opportunities now,” Van Waganen continued. “The inertia of current situation could complicate Jacob’s relationship with the club and creates an atmosphere of indecision.”

The Mets have sat down with DeGrom in multiple offseaaons and discussed extensions. He clearly wanted more than the Mets were offering.

why pay anyone until the hit FA then? Yet all teams do it because the top players, especially homegrown/drafted players, have already been loyal and productive. He’s kept his mouth shut and has dealt with a clusterfuck in management which is wasting his career.

In comment 14014354 ZGiants98 said:

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The Mets have sat down with DeGrom in multiple offseaaons and discussed extensions. He clearly wanted more than the Mets were offering.

Without knowing the numbers what does that even prove? Who here thinks the Mets made a compelling offer? Any hands out there...anyone?

In comment 14014356 UConn4523 said:

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why pay anyone until the hit FA then? Yet all teams do it because the top players, especially homegrown/drafted players, have already been loyal and productive. He’s kept his mouth shut and has dealt with a clusterfuck in management which is wasting his career.

Because deGrom will be 33 and it isn’t similar to other free agents and the history of SP maintaining what they achieved in their primes at that age and older is slim to none, he’s had two major arm surgeries, and give me a break with the Mets owing him crap... he kept his mouth shut?? Seriously? . The Mets have done nothing wrong by deGrom. He’s had two years in the postseason and two down years. Poor him.

In comment 14014354 ZGiants98 said:

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The Mets have sat down with DeGrom in multiple offseaaons and discussed extensions. He clearly wanted more than the Mets were offering.

And? I'm sure they talk to every talented player they have under control with below market deals. I know you are a Mets apologist but even for you this seems like a strange statement. They spoke and therefore DeGrom's ask is unfair? If they offer Nimmo 5 million guaranteed for 6 years they discussed an extension right? If we knew what was offered or even "The Mets made a generous offer but were rebuffed" this would matter otherwise it's not news.

In comment 14014359 UConn4523 said:

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In comment 14014354 ZGiants98 said: Quote: The Mets have sat down with DeGrom in multiple offseaaons and discussed extensions. He clearly wanted more than the Mets were offering. Without knowing the numbers what does that even prove? Who here thinks the Mets made a compelling offer? Any hands out there...anyone?

It proves that they did share mutual interest in an extension. No need to make threats and act like a fucking baby.

In comment 14014366 DanMetroMan said:

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In comment 14014354 ZGiants98 said: Quote: The Mets have sat down with DeGrom in multiple offseaaons and discussed extensions. He clearly wanted more than the Mets were offering. And? I'm sure they talk to every talented player they have under control with below market deals. I know you are a Mets apologist but even for you this seems like a strange statement. They spoke and therefore DeGrom's ask is unfair? If they offer Nimmo 5 million guaranteed for 6 years they discussed an extension right? If we knew what was offered or even "The Mets made a generous offer but were rebuffed" this would matter otherwise it's not news.

I could care less what he asked for or what the Mets offered. I was only pointing out that they both had interest in an extension. I don’t like deGroms threads. They are hollow and stupid. Mets don’t hdve to do a damn thing.

Everybody would be in hysterics.

you have limited info and are flying off the handle and jumping to conclusions.

If he’s going to be 33 and you don’t want to pay him then make a trade and be done with it. I have no idea why anyone would get this upset over it. It’s a business, not just for the Mets but for DeGrom. He’s kept quiet and played nice for a while, it’s not like he’s only been pitching well for 2 years.

that is correct and thats how they are acting. They let it get to this point, and now he’s responding, shit happens.

In comment 14014371 UConn4523 said:

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you have limited info and are flying off the handle and jumping to conclusions. If he’s going to be 33 and you don’t want to pay him then make a trade and be done with it. I have no idea why anyone would get this upset over it. It’s a business, not just for the Mets but for DeGrom. He’s kept quiet and played nice for a while, it’s not like he’s only been pitching well for 2 years.

Why should I make a trade? 2.5 years of ace control won’t benefit the Mets over the next couple of years?? Huh? I’ll decide if I want to extend him when I have to. Not a moment before. The same people that drool over a deGrom extension now are the same people that were totally fine signing Cespedes to a 7 year deal the moment he hit free agency.

In comment 14014372 UConn4523 said:

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that is correct and thats how they are acting. They let it get to this point, and now he’s responding, shit happens.

Lol. He’s responding... let’s see how he “responds”. Is he not going to play? Is he going to kick a can around? It’s hollow and it’s stupid. It’s just a bad look for him. He has zero leverage.

him available for trade. Doesn't mean they can't say no, but they'd be dumb not to. They aren't winning a thing in the next few years and he can help rebuild a brutal farm system.

Out of all of the possible ways that the Mets can handle the JdG situation, he one that you’re advocating for (ride it out and let him walk) is the option that 90% of fans would tell you is hands-down the only unacceptable approach.

The Mets are well within their rights to sit on it and pay him peanuts relative to production for another couple years - I just think it sucks for deGrom that he's in a position like this where he's pitched like a legit ace at a few points in his career, has had some great seasons, and is still pitching for less than 10M per year.

I know, why feel bad for a guy making 7.5 Million dollars...

But when Max Scherzer is getting 3x what deGrom is this year, and deGrom is actually outpitching Max.. well, that sucks.

2017 was the first season deGrom even made more than 1M.

Hopefully he ages well. He's just one of those guys who, because he was a late bloomer, is going to get into his mid-30's without seeing a real MLB payday. And again, that's not necessarily the Mets fault - it's just the way the league is structured, but it sucks for deGrom and I hope he gets to see the money he deserves soon regardless of who gives it to him.

for him. Nothing at all. They/he doesn't want to be wasted on the Mets making pennies. Either pay him to stay in that garbage situation or trade him to make peanuts in a better situation. It's not unreasonable of an ask for his agents.

In comment 14014375 Keith said:

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him available for trade. Doesn't mean they can't say no, but they'd be dumb not to. They aren't winning a thing in the next few years and he can help rebuild a brutal farm system.

Farm system will be middle of the pack heading into 2019 and the Mets are choosing to re-tool, not rebuild. No reason to trade deGrom unless you are blowing the whole thing up... and we aren’t.

In comment 14014374 ZGiants98 said:

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In comment 14014372 UConn4523 said: Quote: that is correct and thats how they are acting. They let it get to this point, and now he’s responding, shit happens. Lol. He’s responding... let’s see how he “responds”. Is he not going to play? Is he going to kick a can around? It’s hollow and it’s stupid. It’s just a bad look for him. He has zero leverage.

I actually think he has a shitload of leverage, haha.

that's another bad one. Blow it up and rebuild the system and build it all again. They had a window over the last few years, but were unwilling to spend the necessary funds for offense and now that window is closed. They aren't winning anything in the next 2-3 years. Blow it up and build again.

In comment 14014375 Keith said:

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him available for trade. Doesn't mean they can't say no, but they'd be dumb not to. They aren't winning a thing in the next few years and he can help rebuild a brutal farm system.

They should be calling every team in baseball and asking for absurd prices. There is no downside to calling these teams. The Mets actually have quite a bit of talent at the lower minors ie 2+ years away. DeGrom's current greatness does not lineup with their likely window of being good so either you accept you will be giving him an extension in the future or youre open to trading him. I was going through my own "top" list and I'd say as many as 6 or 7 of the Mets top 25 prospects are teenagers ie very far away.

In comment 14014376 bigbluehoya said:

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Out of all of the possible ways that the Mets can handle the JdG situation, he one that you’re advocating for (ride it out and let him walk) is the option that 90% of fans would tell you is hands-down the only unacceptable approach.

First of all, thank God fans don’t run baseball teams. Second of all, I’m not opposed to him getting a second deal with the Mets but with our injury history situation he can prove his health and capabilities for us on his own over the next few seasons. Almost zero upside to spending huge dollars now when his value is at its absolute peak.

In comment 14014383 DanMetroMan said:

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In comment 14014375 Keith said: Quote: him available for trade. Doesn't mean they can't say no, but they'd be dumb not to. They aren't winning a thing in the next few years and he can help rebuild a brutal farm system. They should be calling every team in baseball and asking for absurd prices. There is no downside to calling these teams. The Mets actually have quite a bit of talent at the lower minors ie 2+ years away. DeGrom's current greatness does not lineup with their likely window of being good so either you accept you will be giving him an extension in the future or youre open to trading him. I was going through my own "top" list and I'd say as many as 6 or 7 of the Mets top 25 prospects are teenagers ie very far away.

Agree 1000%. With the current pitchers available, I think the Mets can ask for a ton and probably would get a ton. As they should. This is the correct thing to do.

In comment 14014380 UConn4523 said:

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In comment 14014374 ZGiants98 said: Quote: In comment 14014372 UConn4523 said: Quote: that is correct and thats how they are acting. They let it get to this point, and now he’s responding, shit happens. Lol. He’s responding... let’s see how he “responds”. Is he not going to play? Is he going to kick a can around? It’s hollow and it’s stupid. It’s just a bad look for him. He has zero leverage. I actually think he has a shitload of leverage, haha.

Meek isn’t that cute. Care to explain?

for the agent, they have an excellent relationship with Van Wagenen. He has Tebow and Cespedes as clients. He's just doing his job. It's not like he came out and said "The Wilpons are so cheap!". Boras routinely mocks the Mets and yet they draft/sign Boras clients.

In comment 14014311 ZGiants98 said:

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Fuck him and his agent. They seriously are threatening he could become a locker room cancer? Seriously? Things just keep getting better.

Fuck him and his agent? Are fn serious? Would you wait to push for an extension for another 2.5 years? This is absolutely the right thing for him to do. If it was your career you'd do the same damn thing or you'd be a hapless fool.

I personally think the best thing they can do is deal him now and get a haul that will jumpstart a rebuild. I don't see them being competitive between now and the time he's due a new deal, nor do I see the Mets being the team that pays him post-arb years - so, why not get the max return on him now?

A massive haul for deGrom but I’m not trading him for anything less than a franchise altering package. Something that would bring a team to its knees for a championship run or two.

That has nothing to do with deGrom and his agents quotes today. DeGrom acted like an asshole and that’s what I’m commenting on.

In comment 14014390 allstarjim said:

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In comment 14014311 ZGiants98 said: Quote: Fuck him and his agent. They seriously are threatening he could become a locker room cancer? Seriously? Things just keep getting better. Fuck him and his agent? Are fn serious? Would you wait to push for an extension for another 2.5 years? This is absolutely the right thing for him to do. If it was your career you'd do the same damn thing or you'd be a hapless fool.

Lol ok.

don't think there is a single Mets fan who is advocating dealing DeGrom for whatever you can get but if a contender or wannabe contender wants to "go for it" you have to consider it. Morosi said the Padres and White Sox were both open to making preemptive "lets be good sooner" moves. The Dodgers are always big game hunting etc etc. If a team like LAD is going to go for it and are giving you a Ruiz/Vertugo/White/May type of deal etc it really can change the franchise.

In comment 14014394 ZGiants98 said:

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A massive haul for deGrom but I’m not trading him for anything less than a franchise altering package. Something that would bring a team to its knees for a championship run or two. That has nothing to do with deGrom and his agents quotes today. DeGrom acted like an asshole and that’s what I’m commenting on.

In what way did deGrom act like an asshole? His openness to sign an extension with this team in particular is about the most anti-asshole thing possible.

Don't compare him to Harvey, as Harvey gave the middle finger to the organization multiple times previously with his immaturity and irresponsibility. DeGrom has been a good soldier and an impeccably hard worker who has fought hard in every start, never giving up, even though the team and the organization hasn't done what they needed to do to match his efforts.

In comment 14014399 allstarjim said:

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In comment 14014394 ZGiants98 said: Quote: A massive haul for deGrom but I’m not trading him for anything less than a franchise altering package. Something that would bring a team to its knees for a championship run or two. That has nothing to do with deGrom and his agents quotes today. DeGrom acted like an asshole and that’s what I’m commenting on. In what way did deGrom act like an asshole? His openness to sign an extension with this team in particular is about the most anti-asshole thing possible. Don't compare him to Harvey, as Harvey gave the middle finger to the organization multiple times previously with his immaturity and irresponsibility. DeGrom has been a good soldier and an impeccably hard worker who has fought hard in every start, never giving up, even though the team and the organization hasn't done what they needed to do to match his efforts.

He is saying pay me or trade me. He is also saying he could become a distraction if nothing is done. This is way beyond asking for an extension. Ridiculous that people can’t seem to see the difference.

Next year’s deadline, next year’s offseason, and the year’s deadline after that if they wanted to. There is no rush to do anything unless they are completely bowled over.

In comment 14014271 superspynyg said:

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He should have at least 5 more wins this season. He constantly goes 7 or more innings. Such a great player. Too bad he gets limited run support.

You're waisted

...if the Mets decide they are keeping deGrom and Syndergaard, then the only logical move is do what needs to be done to get Machado.

I don't want to get rid of Rosario and please forgive my ignorance but has/can Rosario play 2nd or 3rd base? I checked 2017 Baseball Reference (majors only) and he played SS exclusively. I would hate to move a young player around like that. We attempted this with Kaz Matsui and Jose Reyes.

2019 infield?
C- Mesaraco/Plawecki or FA signing
1B - Bruce/Flores
2B - Rosario/McNeil
SS - Manny Machado
3B - Rosario/Frazier

That being said - it's unlikely the Mets will go this route unless there is a serious change in organizational philosophy. Anyway it's unlikely and not a lot of creativity but it would certainly excite the fanbase and salvage productive years from the pitching staff.

Signing Machado must also be supplemented by moves to improve the bullpen.

Lineup has “some” good young pieces in Nimmo, Conforto, Rosario and guys like Alonso and McNeil close. They absolutely do need a “Machado” like bat to get things back on track but they aren’t a million pieces away.

He’s going to hdve to move back to 3B. He’s been horrid at SS this year. Worst in baseball bad.

he's willing to play 3B for some teams, I think he should for Rosario too.

but the Mets have very little chance at Machado being realistic.

What might be a better option would be trying to acquire Xander Bogaerts in a package for deGrom. Maybe include Groome and others.

Met can even flip Bogaerts if they want.

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Jake has been nothing but a trooper for his whole time on the Mets. His agent is pushing the Mets to sign him. I think the empty threat of there being an issue is just that. Jake has never shown anything other than being a model citizen and I dont see this changing.

I also dont think the Mets should trade him this deadline. They need to get a new GM in here that has a clear vision of what he wants to do. THEN and only then do you decide what to do with Jake, Noah, Matz, and Wheeler. I do not trust the trifecta of Ricco, Ricciardi, and Minaya to be able to bring back the haul necessary to turn this franchise around.

thing I've heard from Jake personally is (paraphrasing) "yeah, I do get tired of losing" - and how can you blame him.

otherwise, this is business by an agent.

Is 100% right to do this. These guys aren’t robots. Would it kill the Mets to take care one of their own who’s been a great Met?

His agent is right. Either trade him or sign him to a reasonable extension.

In comment 14014417 pjcas18 said:

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thing I've heard from Jake personally is (paraphrasing) "yeah, I do get tired of losing" - and how can you blame him. otherwise, this is business by an agent.

There’s no way his agent went public with this without deGroms blessing. No way. He would be fired in two seconds.

In comment 14014432 TyreeHelmet said:

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Is 100% right to do this. These guys aren’t robots. Would it kill the Mets to take care one of their own who’s been a great Met? His agent is right. Either trade him or sign him to a reasonable extension.

Loooove how everyone is ignoring the create an atmosphere of indecision part. As if that’s common practice. No way. It’s a threat. Plain and simple.

In comment 14014409 ZGiants98 said:

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Lineup has “some” good young pieces in Nimmo, Conforto, Rosario and guys like Alonso and McNeil close. They absolutely do need a “Machado” like bat to get things back on track but they aren’t a million pieces away.

Do you really consider Alonso and McNeil young?

In comment 14014401 ZGiants98 said:

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In comment 14014399 allstarjim said: Quote: In comment 14014394 ZGiants98 said: Quote: A massive haul for deGrom but I’m not trading him for anything less than a franchise altering package. Something that would bring a team to its knees for a championship run or two. That has nothing to do with deGrom and his agents quotes today. DeGrom acted like an asshole and that’s what I’m commenting on. In what way did deGrom act like an asshole? His openness to sign an extension with this team in particular is about the most anti-asshole thing possible. Don't compare him to Harvey, as Harvey gave the middle finger to the organization multiple times previously with his immaturity and irresponsibility. DeGrom has been a good soldier and an impeccably hard worker who has fought hard in every start, never giving up, even though the team and the organization hasn't done what they needed to do to match his efforts. He is saying pay me or trade me. He is also saying he could become a distraction if nothing is done. This is way beyond asking for an extension. Ridiculous that people can’t seem to see the difference.

Where in the hell do you get this? I agree with you that his agent doesn't go there without his blessing, but saying his relationship with the club will be compromised is not the same as saying you will be a distraction to the team, which I do not believe deGrom would ever do that.

What he's communicating, at least how I see it, is that "complicating the relationship with the club" means that he will not consider an offer from the Mets in the future if they do not do right by him now. And I think that's fair, smart, and prudent for him to take this position. He got to the big leagues late, he needs to make his money in the near term, not 2.5 years from now when teams will be reticent to give him a 6 year deal even if he continues to perform at a high level. You should really step back and think this all the way through from deGrom's perspective, Z.

In comment 14014437 Eman11 said:

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In comment 14014409 ZGiants98 said: Quote: Lineup has “some” good young pieces in Nimmo, Conforto, Rosario and guys like Alonso and McNeil close. They absolutely do need a “Machado” like bat to get things back on track but they aren’t a million pieces away. Do you really consider Alonso and McNeil young?

Alonso is 23 and has been in the minors for 2 whopping years. So yeah. McNeil had a bunch of injuries but still has less atbats in the minors than Rosario did. These aren’t guys repeating levels because they’ve sucked. All 6 years of team controlled years they will be in their primes on the Mets...

In comment 14014438 allstarjim said:

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In comment 14014401 ZGiants98 said: Quote: In comment 14014399 allstarjim said: Quote: In comment 14014394 ZGiants98 said: Quote: A massive haul for deGrom but I’m not trading him for anything less than a franchise altering package. Something that would bring a team to its knees for a championship run or two. That has nothing to do with deGrom and his agents quotes today. DeGrom acted like an asshole and that’s what I’m commenting on. In what way did deGrom act like an asshole? His openness to sign an extension with this team in particular is about the most anti-asshole thing possible. Don't compare him to Harvey, as Harvey gave the middle finger to the organization multiple times previously with his immaturity and irresponsibility. DeGrom has been a good soldier and an impeccably hard worker who has fought hard in every start, never giving up, even though the team and the organization hasn't done what they needed to do to match his efforts. He is saying pay me or trade me. He is also saying he could become a distraction if nothing is done. This is way beyond asking for an extension. Ridiculous that people can’t seem to see the difference. Where in the hell do you get this? I agree with you that his agent doesn't go there without his blessing, but saying his relationship with the club will be compromised is not the same as saying you will be a distraction to the team, which I do not believe deGrom would ever do that. What he's communicating, at least how I see it, is that "complicating the relationship with the club" means that he will not consider an offer from the Mets in the future if they do not do right by him now. And I think that's fair, smart, and prudent for him to take this position. He got to the big leagues late, he needs to make his money in the near term, not 2.5 years from now when teams will be reticent to give him a 6 year deal even if he continues to perform at a high level. You should really step back and think this all the way through from deGrom's perspective, Z.

I seriously don’t get why it’s so hard to discern this comment. It’s pretty clear cut....

The inertia of current situation could complicate Jacob’s relationship with the club and creates an atmosphere of indecision.”

2.5 years left. This is not common practice and it’s shitty. I don’t care if people don’t agree. It’s a threat and we don’t owe him a damn thing.

it’s fucking business. He has to do what’s right for him, and the Mets will have to do what’s right for them. He didn’t do anything other than flex a little muscle after being a good soldier.

Holy shit, your overreaction is insane.

In comment 14014439 ZGiants98 said:

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In comment 14014437 Eman11 said: Quote: In comment 14014409 ZGiants98 said: Quote: Lineup has “some” good young pieces in Nimmo, Conforto, Rosario and guys like Alonso and McNeil close. They absolutely do need a “Machado” like bat to get things back on track but they aren’t a million pieces away. Do you really consider Alonso and McNeil young? Alonso is 23 and has been in the minors for 2 whopping years. So yeah. McNeil had a bunch of injuries but still has less atbats in the minors than Rosario did. These aren’t guys repeating levels because they’ve sucked. All 6 years of team controlled years they will be in their primes on the Mets...

I think both would be considered young if they were veterans or at least had been in the majors a year plus and had shown they could play at that level.

I don't consider them young when next year would be their rookie seasons and you have guys in your own Division like Soto, and a couple of Braves who are 19, 20, 21 etc and playing full time now.

Sorry but I don't think of guys in the 24 plus range as being young when it comes to rookies. Hell, it's even old for a rookie in football.

Also isn't McNeil going to be 26 by next spring?

In comment 14014443 UConn4523 said:

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it’s fucking business. He has to do what’s right for him, and the Mets will have to do what’s right for them. He didn’t do anything other than flex a little muscle after being a good soldier. Holy shit, your overreaction is insane.

Why should I as a fan be happy about the face of the franchise making threats and who are you to say otherwise? He flexed zero muscle. All he did was make himself look like an ass? Still waiting for you to explain what leverage he has.... and waiting...

In comment 14014434 ZGiants98 said:

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In comment 14014417 pjcas18 said: Quote: thing I've heard from Jake personally is (paraphrasing) "yeah, I do get tired of losing" - and how can you blame him. otherwise, this is business by an agent. There’s no way his agent went public with this without deGroms blessing. No way. He would be fired in two seconds.

deGrom knew about it, but I still think it's gamesmanship.

what indecision? He's under team control for two more seasons after this one. The Mets would be foolish to consider extending deGrom until they have to. Unless...deGrom takes a very team friendly deal.

If he's at the point in his life and he just wants to stay a Met for his career and wants that generational money the Mets really should entertain an extension, something like 5 years $80M and rip up the next two years makes sense. Makes it really 3 years $60M extension.

and he's still tradeable. Maybe even more tradeable. And he'll be 35 when the contract is up.

I'd have zero issue with that approach even if he gets hurt, or I'd have no issue with a massive haul in a trade, or do nothing until they have to. I don't want to lose him for nothing, so I wouldn't let it get to far into 2020 without trading him once it appears he won't re-sugn with the Mets.

In comment 14014444 Eman11 said:

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In comment 14014439 ZGiants98 said: Quote: In comment 14014437 Eman11 said: Quote: In comment 14014409 ZGiants98 said: Quote: Lineup has “some” good young pieces in Nimmo, Conforto, Rosario and guys like Alonso and McNeil close. They absolutely do need a “Machado” like bat to get things back on track but they aren’t a million pieces away. Do you really consider Alonso and McNeil young? Alonso is 23 and has been in the minors for 2 whopping years. So yeah. McNeil had a bunch of injuries but still has less atbats in the minors than Rosario did. These aren’t guys repeating levels because they’ve sucked. All 6 years of team controlled years they will be in their primes on the Mets... I think both would be considered young if they were veterans or at least had been in the majors a year plus and had shown they could play at that level. I don't consider them young when next year would be their rookie seasons and you have guys in your own Division like Soto, and a couple of Braves who are 19, 20, 21 etc and playing full time now. Sorry but I don't think of guys in the 24 plus range as being young when it comes to rookies. Hell, it's even old for a rookie in football. Also isn't McNeil going to be 26 by next spring?

McNeil is older yes... but as I explained he had many injury filled years that held him back. A scout recently was quoted saying McNeil would be a solid 2B today if there was a spot.. Citing Alonso is a joke though. Was Judge old going into his first full season last year turning 25? Alonso has flown through the system just about as fast as humanly possible. 23 is not even remotely old for a college bat that is in AAA.

I just don't consider that to be young for rookies. Same for Judge.

At least not when we see the talent playing at this level throughout the game with some 4-5 years younger than guys you mentioned. A guy like Soto is what I would call young.

I'm not saying they won't or can't be good and help, just disagree with the "young" part. That's all.

In comment 14014445 ZGiants98 said:

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In comment 14014443 UConn4523 said: Quote: it’s fucking business. He has to do what’s right for him, and the Mets will have to do what’s right for them. He didn’t do anything other than flex a little muscle after being a good soldier. Holy shit, your overreaction is insane. Why should I as a fan be happy about the face of the franchise making threats and who are you to say otherwise? He flexed zero muscle. All he did was make himself look like an ass? Still waiting for you to explain what leverage he has.... and waiting...

I can say whatever I want, no different than you. You are more then unhappy, you are acting like a scorned lover. If his “threat” is as empty as you say it is than you have nothing to worry about.

And I didn’t even see your previous post. But I happen to think that this is the absolute last thing the Mets thought would happen and pissing off thrnfanbase further is ammunition alone. It’s a big market, this isn’t the same as Milwaukee where ty can just let a pissed off enployee play for 2 years. This isn’t going away, not now, not in the offseason, not next year. Fiscally speaking he has zero leverage but that doesn’t always matter. His trade value also decreases the unhappier he is, also leverage.

In comment 14014452 Eman11 said:

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I just don't consider that to be young for rookies. Same for Judge. At least not when we see the talent playing at this level throughout the game with some 4-5 years younger than guys you mentioned. A guy like Soto is what I would call young. I'm not saying they won't or can't be good and help, just disagree with the "young" part. That's all.

That’s fine but I still don’t really get what your getting at. You seemed to be suggesting they are pieces we couldn’t build around. 6 years of control is all that matters. Maybe McNeil is 32 when he’s a free agent just like deGrom but it sure doesn’t hurt us any. Alonso would be 29.

In comment 14014453 UConn4523 said:

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In comment 14014445 ZGiants98 said: Quote: In comment 14014443 UConn4523 said: Quote: it’s fucking business. He has to do what’s right for him, and the Mets will have to do what’s right for them. He didn’t do anything other than flex a little muscle after being a good soldier. Holy shit, your overreaction is insane. Why should I as a fan be happy about the face of the franchise making threats and who are you to say otherwise? He flexed zero muscle. All he did was make himself look like an ass? Still waiting for you to explain what leverage he has.... and waiting... I can say whatever I want, no different than you. You are more then unhappy, you are acting like a scorned lover. If his “threat” is as empty as you say it is than you have nothing to worry about. And I didn’t even see your previous post. But I happen to think that this is the absolute last thing the Mets thought would happen and pissing off thrnfanbase further is ammunition alone. It’s a big market, this isn’t the same as Milwaukee where ty can just let a pissed off enployee play for 2 years. This isn’t going away, not now, not in the offseason, not next year. Fiscally speaking he has zero leverage but that doesn’t always matter. His trade value also decreases the unhappier he is, also leverage.

Oh please. His value doesn’t decrease based on how unhappy he is. Lol. He can be unhappy all he wants... the Mets still don’t have to trade him. Now if he becomes a cancer and refuses to play, etc? THEN he would have some leverage... but he isn’t going to do that. No chance. It’s all hot air.

he’s gonna walk for free at the end of his contract- is that not leverage? Get a haul for him while you can.

In comment 14014455 ZGiants98 said:

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In comment 14014452 Eman11 said: Quote: I just don't consider that to be young for rookies. Same for Judge. At least not when we see the talent playing at this level throughout the game with some 4-5 years younger than guys you mentioned. A guy like Soto is what I would call young. I'm not saying they won't or can't be good and help, just disagree with the "young" part. That's all. That’s fine but I still don’t really get what your getting at. You seemed to be suggesting they are pieces we couldn’t build around. 6 years of control is all that matters. Maybe McNeil is 32 when he’s a free agent just like deGrom but it sure doesn’t hurt us any. Alonso would be 29.

I don't know why you would think I was suggesting anything like that when I said the opposite in the last sentence of my previous post.

I guess my point is if they were what I considered to be young, you'd have a brighter, longer future with them as part of the club.

I guess we'll just agree to disagree on what we deem young for MLB players. Like I said, no biggie.

In comment 14014458 wigs in nyc said:

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he’s gonna walk for free at the end of his contract- is that not leverage? Get a haul for him while you can.

That is 2.5 years away. I honestly don’t even think that’s a bad option. We get two more years of ace control (likely his best years). That has no value?? Also you have no idea how he will look by then. If his stuff is diminished or he’s had to have gone through another injury we could extend him for peanuts. Nobody knows what will happen but why take on the risk now? It’s like fans go completely blank when it’s contract time. How has Wright and Cespedes’s contracts worked out? How has it gone keeping are hard throwing starting pitching staff together? How many injuries have we had to go through before people realize these guys likely aren’t going to compete at high levels well into their 30s and they are not reliable.

In comment 14014460 Eman11 said:

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In comment 14014455 ZGiants98 said: Quote: In comment 14014452 Eman11 said: Quote: I just don't consider that to be young for rookies. Same for Judge. At least not when we see the talent playing at this level throughout the game with some 4-5 years younger than guys you mentioned. A guy like Soto is what I would call young. I'm not saying they won't or can't be good and help, just disagree with the "young" part. That's all. That’s fine but I still don’t really get what your getting at. You seemed to be suggesting they are pieces we couldn’t build around. 6 years of control is all that matters. Maybe McNeil is 32 when he’s a free agent just like deGrom but it sure doesn’t hurt us any. Alonso would be 29. I don't know why you would think I was suggesting anything like that when I said the opposite in the last sentence of my previous post. I guess my point is if they were what I considered to be young, you'd have a brighter, longer future with them as part of the club. I guess we'll just agree to disagree on what we deem young for MLB players. Like I said, no biggie.

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You can extend him now for cheap. I could see Wheeler taking a three-year team-friendly extension after all he's been through and capitalize on signing somebody while their value is still LOW (still considered an injury risk by most). I'm not interested in extending a guy out three years from now when his value is SKY HIGH and likely higher than it will ever be then in this current point in time.

In comment 14014469 ZGiants98 said:

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You can extend him now for cheap. I could see Wheeler taking a three-year team-friendly extension after all he's been through and capitalize on signing somebody while their value is still LOW (still considered an injury risk by most). I'm not interested in extending a guy out three years from now when his value is SKY HIGH and likely higher than it will ever be then in this current point in time.

You can say the same thing about his trade value. It’s pretty obvious that you are worried deGrom won’t age well. If the Mets ride out this 2.5 years, there is virtually zero chance that deGrom rewards them by signing an extension at that point. Sure they can wait to deal him a year from now. Or two years from now. But now he’s another year or two older with a year or two less controllable years. His trade value only goes down from here. Unless you feel the Mets will win a championship in the next two years, losing this opportunity to cash in may be a huge mistake. Yay! For the next two seasons you can say you’re robbing deGrom blind. Just because you can. Great. Then what?

In comment 14014471 BigBlueShock said:

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In comment 14014469 ZGiants98 said: Quote: You can extend him now for cheap. I could see Wheeler taking a three-year team-friendly extension after all he's been through and capitalize on signing somebody while their value is still LOW (still considered an injury risk by most). I'm not interested in extending a guy out three years from now when his value is SKY HIGH and likely higher than it will ever be then in this current point in time. You can say the same thing about his trade value. It’s pretty obvious that you are worried deGrom won’t age well. If the Mets ride out this 2.5 years, there is virtually zero chance that deGrom rewards them by signing an extension at that point. Sure they can wait to deal him a year from now. Or two years from now. But now he’s another year or two older with a year or two less controllable years. His trade value only goes down from here. Unless you feel the Mets will win a championship in the next two years, losing this opportunity to cash in may be a huge mistake. Yay! For the next two seasons you can say you’re robbing deGrom blind. Just because you can. Great. Then what?

Huh? Zack Wheeler will be 29 when he is a free agent, not 32/33 first of all. Secondly, Wheeler might be able to be extended now for 3 years, 30 million....due to his injury history, etc. In other words peanuts and very little risk. deGrom is going to want a 150-ish million dollar extension and you are talking about something 3 years out. Why is it so difficult to see the massive difference between these two situations.

the need to invent reasons to kill them?

It’s a negative that Alonso is 23 years old in AAA...and you really consider that “not young”? And your reasoning is because there are a handful of players in the league that came up at 19, 20, 21?

Jesus Christ...that’s out there.

I agree that they should extend Wheeler ONLY if he agrees to a short term deal as you mentioned due to his injury history. With that said he will be 29 and he knows that this will be his only shot at a big contract so I doubt he would accept a short team friendly deal like that especially when you factor in the ego.

In comment 14014478 PhiPsi125 said:

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the need to invent reasons to kill them? It’s a negative that Alonso is 23 years old in AAA...and you really consider that “not young”? And your reasoning is because there are a handful of players in the league that came up at 19, 20, 21? Jesus Christ...that’s out there.

correct, Soto, Albies, Acuna, and Soroka arriving at such young ages is extremely rare and not the norm. 23 for AAA is not old at all.

If the Mets want to work out an extension with deGrom... fine. I wont be upset with it. My point was they dont need to do it now and I dont appreciate the way deGrom is handling this. Both sides have clearly wanted an extension for some time now so I dont know why deGrom felt he needed to do this now unless he genuinely does want to go to a contender and felt the time to capitalize on this was to construct a half-hearted way to make it look like he really wanted to remain a Met to save face while positioning himself at the deadline at the same time. The timing right before the deadline is peculiar.

I also dont mind if we trade him for a haul but the return better be pure insanity.

Where the hell do you come up with this shit? I spoke only of deGrom. If you are so afraid of him falling off a cliff, then fucking trade him while the value is at its highest! If you’re so damned concerned about the cost, and you and the Mets always are, then trade the guy. That team isn’t winning a championship in the next two years. Period. And they have a whole bunch of catching up to do if they want to compete with Atlanta for the next decade. What does keeping deGrom accomplish? You get to say that you paid him peanuts while performing at an elite level and now he’s gone for nothing? He’s not signing an extension with the Mets if they let this drag on. So your choices are simple. Trade him now when his value is at its peak. Give him an extension. Or lose him after 2.5 years and get nothing back. But hey, at least you’d have showed him who’s boss!

In comment 14014479 Jay on the Island said:

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I agree that they should extend Wheeler ONLY if he agrees to a short term deal as you mentioned due to his injury history. With that said he will be 29 and he knows that this will be his only shot at a big contract so I doubt he would accept a short team friendly deal like that especially when you factor in the ego.

I think he would only because he has been through SOOO much. The guy missed the last 2.5 years and he still hasn't completed a full season yet. He might look at 30 million guaranteed as a nice safeguard for a few years and he can still enter the market possibly one more time if he has a string of health. He also is very vocal about wanting to remain a Met and not wanting to be traded. He's the opposite of deGrom. Sure if he pitches all of next year he would be set up for more in 2020 but if he gets injured again he likely gets nothing.

In comment 14014483 BigBlueShock said:

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Where the hell do you come up with this shit? I spoke only of deGrom. If you are so afraid of him falling off a cliff, then fucking trade him while the value is at its highest! If you’re so damned concerned about the cost, and you and the Mets always are, then trade the guy. That team isn’t winning a championship in the next two years. Period. And they have a whole bunch of catching up to do if they want to compete with Atlanta for the next decade. What does keeping deGrom accomplish? You get to say that you paid him peanuts while performing at an elite level and now he’s gone for nothing? He’s not signing an extension with the Mets if they let this drag on. So your choices are simple. Trade him now when his value is at its peak. Give him an extension. Or lose him after 2.5 years and get nothing back. But hey, at least you’d have showed him who’s boss!

Im not concerned about deGrom falling off a cliff over the next 2.5 years. Im afraid of him falling off a cliff between his 33-37-year-old years IE the very expensive extension. His value will still be fine and dandy for the foreseeable future. No rush to trade him now AT ALL.

I made a comment about Wheeler and you directly responded to it by saying I could say the same for deGrom. I know your point was about deGrom but I was simply saying their situations arent even in the same hemisphere.

In comment 14014478 PhiPsi125 said:

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the need to invent reasons to kill them? It’s a negative that Alonso is 23 years old in AAA...and you really consider that “not young”? And your reasoning is because there are a handful of players in the league that came up at 19, 20, 21? Jesus Christ...that’s out there.

Reading comp?

I never killed anyone and also questioned McNeil being called young. I think there's more than a handful of guys 19,20 21, and even more younger than the two Mets prospects already performing at a high level in the Majors.

To me when I see the pro game getting younger and younger, yes I consider rookie players 24 and 26 to not be "young".

I didn't consider Judge being young for a rookie either but that doesn't mean he or they can't have good careers. Just had they come up a few years earlier with the same talent, their teams would have a longer brighter future with them.

you bring up 19 year olds you wind up with Manny Machado and Bryce Harper as 26/27 year old free agents in their primes about to get massive contracts and in likely major bidding wars.

You may get the ssme bidding war with a 31/31 year old free agent from a 24/25 year old rookie, but definitely not to the same extent.

pick your poison.

for example, I know Jay may deny it, but the Braves will not be paying this crop of youngsters. You're looking at future Yankees, Red Sox and Dodgers playing in Atlanta right now.

so I guess there's really no point in debating it, but here goes...

Every year he moves away from 30 the more his value decreases. Every year he goes untraded is another year less of a cost controlled asset. Whoever trades for DeGrom wants the security of those 2+ years before having to pay him. If that's now 1.5 years or less, he almost becomes a rental.

Who exactly is offering the same for DeGrom in July 2019 that they are in July 2018?

That logic makes absolutely zero sense. Fucking zero.

In comment 14014485 ZGiants98 said:

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In comment 14014483 BigBlueShock said: Quote: Where the hell do you come up with this shit? I spoke only of deGrom. If you are so afraid of him falling off a cliff, then fucking trade him while the value is at its highest! If you’re so damned concerned about the cost, and you and the Mets always are, then trade the guy. That team isn’t winning a championship in the next two years. Period. And they have a whole bunch of catching up to do if they want to compete with Atlanta for the next decade. What does keeping deGrom accomplish? You get to say that you paid him peanuts while performing at an elite level and now he’s gone for nothing? He’s not signing an extension with the Mets if they let this drag on. So your choices are simple. Trade him now when his value is at its peak. Give him an extension. Or lose him after 2.5 years and get nothing back. But hey, at least you’d have showed him who’s boss! Im not concerned about deGrom falling off a cliff over the next 2.5 years. Im afraid of him falling off a cliff between his 33-37-year-old years IE the very expensive extension. His value will still be fine and dandy for the foreseeable future. No rush to trade him now AT ALL.

You’re insane if you think his trade value will do anything but go down. So, another year older, less years of control As well as hoping that he not only stays healthy (you’ve already mentioned numerous times about his injury concerns) AND continues to pitch like he currently is, which is on an all world level? That’s a lot of risks to be taking when evaluating what his trade value will be down the road. You act as if they will certainly get the same haul in two years if they decide to trade him then. But that couldn’t be further from reality.

In comment 14014496 UConn4523 said:

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so I guess there's really no point in debating it, but here goes... Every year he moves away from 30 the more his value decreases. Every year he goes untraded is another year less of a cost controlled asset. Whoever trades for DeGrom wants the security of those 2+ years before having to pay him. If that's now 1.5 years or less, he almost becomes a rental. Who exactly is offering the same for DeGrom in July 2019 that they are in July 2018? That logic makes absolutely zero sense. Fucking zero.

First of all, I have said repeatedly I would take a MASSIVE haul for deGrom now. Secondly, an ace with a 1.5 years of control left in July of 2019 will still bring back a huge haul if he is pitching like he is now. Same for this offseason with 2 years left. Same for the offseason after that with one entire year left. A team desperate for a championship will give up the goods for a player of that caliber period and Im talking multiple top prospects. We gave up ALLSTAR Fulmer for 2 MONTHS of Cespedes. The Giants gave up Zack Wheeler for 2 MONTHS of Beltran. Dont tell me we cant still get value back at any point in time. In fact, the packages offered now might very well be less than whats available next year. Could be completely different teams involved and different pools of prospects to choose from.

In comment 14014500 BigBlueShock said:

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In comment 14014485 ZGiants98 said: Quote: In comment 14014483 BigBlueShock said: Quote: Where the hell do you come up with this shit? I spoke only of deGrom. If you are so afraid of him falling off a cliff, then fucking trade him while the value is at its highest! If you’re so damned concerned about the cost, and you and the Mets always are, then trade the guy. That team isn’t winning a championship in the next two years. Period. And they have a whole bunch of catching up to do if they want to compete with Atlanta for the next decade. What does keeping deGrom accomplish? You get to say that you paid him peanuts while performing at an elite level and now he’s gone for nothing? He’s not signing an extension with the Mets if they let this drag on. So your choices are simple. Trade him now when his value is at its peak. Give him an extension. Or lose him after 2.5 years and get nothing back. But hey, at least you’d have showed him who’s boss! Im not concerned about deGrom falling off a cliff over the next 2.5 years. Im afraid of him falling off a cliff between his 33-37-year-old years IE the very expensive extension. His value will still be fine and dandy for the foreseeable future. No rush to trade him now AT ALL. You’re insane if you think his trade value will do anything but go down. So, another year older, less years of control As well as hoping that he not only stays healthy (you’ve already mentioned numerous times about his injury concerns) AND continues to pitch like he currently is, which is on an all world level? That’s a lot of risks to be taking when evaluating what his trade value will be down the road. You act as if they will certainly get the same haul in two years if they decide to trade him then. But that couldn’t be further from reality.

Im guessing he still brings back a lot AT LEAST through the deadline of next year. I also dont really give a shit if his value goes down some. The Mets system is not as bad as people think. We arent desperate to add prospects to our horrid system. We have young cost controlled players already in the majors. The Mets could very well be adding rather than subtracting. Im not interested in making a trade just to make a trade out of fear he might not be worth as much in 2019/2020.

Torres, Andujar, Frazier, and Sheffield for deGrom?

Ill drive to him Yankee stadium for you.

Teaming deGrom with Severino makes you an instant World Series favorite and you still have PLENTY of offense left over.

So deGrom has no chance of losing trade value over where he’s at now. Unreal.

Let me ask you something, if the Mets don’t get this “drop to your knees” and “franchise changing” offer you speak of so much, then what? You keep deGrom, the Mets wallow in mediocrity for two more years and he bolts? What exactly is the upside of not either trading deGrom OR giving him the extension he wants? It’s got to be one or the other, right? I mean, I’m not trying to pile on the Mets here, but they are in no mans land at this point. You REALLY think they will convince a player like Machado to sign long term there? Because that’s what you’re banking on and that seems like a rather far fetched ambition that could ultimately screw that team for years. There will be a ton of competition for this years free agents

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Torres, Andujar, Frazier, and Sheffield for deGrom? Ill drive to him Yankee stadium for you. Teaming deGrom with Severino makes you an instant World Series favorite and you still have PLENTY of offense left over.

Why would we do that when not even the biggest Met fan homer on the planet trusts deGrom long term? He’s done nothing but the the guy on this thread now he wants that package, lol.

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So deGrom has no chance of losing trade value over where he’s at now. Unreal. Let me ask you something, if the Mets don’t get this “drop to your knees” and “franchise changing” offer you speak of so much, then what? You keep deGrom, the Mets wallow in mediocrity for two more years and he bolts? What exactly is the upside of not either trading deGrom OR giving him the extension he wants? It’s got to be one or the other, right? I mean, I’m not trying to pile on the Mets here, but they are in no mans land at this point. You REALLY think they will convince a player like Machado to sign long term there? Because that’s what you’re banking on and that seems like a rather far fetched ambition that could ultimately screw that team for years. There will be a ton of competition for this years free agents

Wow. I literally just said the complete opposite of that in terms of drGrom's value.

As for the rest. We need an impact bat. Our rotation is set for next year (and likely excellent) if its kept intact. Conforto, Rosario, and Nimmo are cost controlled high upside talent already on the team. Sprinkle in McNeil, Alonso, and a move of Cespedes part time to 1B to help preserve his career... what else do you think we need to be competitive again? Likely one big bat and bullpen help. We dont have to sign Machado or Harper. There are other good players in baseball. Trades can happen too. It wouldnt be the first time the Mets added a good player in the offseason.

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I said middle of the pack.

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In comment 14014507 ZGiants98 said: Quote: Torres, Andujar, Frazier, and Sheffield for deGrom? Ill drive to him Yankee stadium for you. Teaming deGrom with Severino makes you an instant World Series favorite and you still have PLENTY of offense left over. Why would we do that when not even the biggest Met fan homer on the planet trusts deGrom long term? He’s done nothing but the the guy on this thread now he wants that package, lol.

To win championships over the next three postseasons. If thats not good enough than you better not be looking for an ace then.

that’s not even remotely close to what I said. I said, plainly and clearly, his value today isn’t the same as it will be in 1 year from today and gave multiple reasons why. If you are cool taking that risk, so be it, but you simply cannot act like now isn’t the optimal time to strike.

Being a year older with 1 less year of a cheap contract is just basic economics of why any assets loses value. Add in that he’s already in his 30s and it’s even worse.

In comment 14014493 pjcas18 said:

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you bring up 19 year olds you wind up with Manny Machado and Bryce Harper as 26/27 year old free agents in their primes about to get massive contracts and in likely major bidding wars. You may get the ssme bidding war with a 31/31 year old free agent from a 24/25 year old rookie, but definitely not to the same extent. pick your poison. for example, I know Jay may deny it, but the Braves will not be paying this crop of youngsters. You're looking at future Yankees, Red Sox and Dodgers playing in Atlanta right now.

I won't deny that the Braves won't re-sign everyone but I am not going to pretend like they will just allow Albies, Acuna, Etc to just walk. The Braves gave long term extensions to Freddie Freeman, Julio Teheran, Andrelton Simmons, and Craig Kimbrel. If I had to guess I think Foltynewicz and Newcomb walk via free agency but they sign Albies, Acuna, Soroka to long term contracts.

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In comment 14014510 BigBlueShock said: Quote: In comment 14014507 ZGiants98 said: Quote: Torres, Andujar, Frazier, and Sheffield for deGrom? Ill drive to him Yankee stadium for you. Teaming deGrom with Severino makes you an instant World Series favorite and you still have PLENTY of offense left over. Why would we do that when not even the biggest Met fan homer on the planet trusts deGrom long term? He’s done nothing but the the guy on this thread now he wants that package, lol. To win championships over the next three postseasons. If thats not good enough than you better not be looking for an ace then.

So unless we trade for de Grom its unlilely the Yankees will compete for a championship over the next 3 seasons?

In comment 14014516 UConn4523 said:

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that’s not even remotely close to what I said. I said, plainly and clearly, his value today isn’t the same as it will be in 1 year from today and gave multiple reasons why. If you are cool taking that risk, so be it, but you simply cannot act like now isn’t the optimal time to strike. Being a year older with 1 less year of a cheap contract is just basic economics of why any assets loses value. Add in that he’s already in his 30s and it’s even worse.

Not really. You are looking at a 3-4 quality prospect/player return either way at least through next year (look up the history of trades for top players with more control left) and again the teams involved might be different... therefore the prospect returns might be different. You also never know when a team might be desperate. Are the Yankees as desperate to add a championship as the Brewers might be if they felt they had a legit shot? I dont know but teams do funny things when they feel they should go all in. This is tiring. Ive said repeatedly I would take a huge package for deGrom now so what your arguing is moot. This started out because I didnt like the way deGrom handled things today. The end.

In comment 14014519 chopperhatch said:

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In comment 14014514 ZGiants98 said: Quote: In comment 14014510 BigBlueShock said: Quote: In comment 14014507 ZGiants98 said: Quote: Torres, Andujar, Frazier, and Sheffield for deGrom? Ill drive to him Yankee stadium for you. Teaming deGrom with Severino makes you an instant World Series favorite and you still have PLENTY of offense left over. Why would we do that when not even the biggest Met fan homer on the planet trusts deGrom long term? He’s done nothing but the the guy on this thread now he wants that package, lol. To win championships over the next three postseasons. If thats not good enough than you better not be looking for an ace then. So unless we trade for de Grom its unlilely the Yankees will compete for a championship over the next 3 seasons?

I could care less what you think the Yankees will do or wont do as far as competing over the next few years. If you are trading for one of the best aces in the game its likely because you think he puts you over the top. Dont trade for him. I could give two shits. I personally hope you dont get him.

In comment 14014514 ZGiants98 said:

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In comment 14014510 BigBlueShock said: Quote: In comment 14014507 ZGiants98 said: Quote: Torres, Andujar, Frazier, and Sheffield for deGrom? Ill drive to him Yankee stadium for you. Teaming deGrom with Severino makes you an instant World Series favorite and you still have PLENTY of offense left over. Why would we do that when not even the biggest Met fan homer on the planet trusts deGrom long term? He’s done nothing but the the guy on this thread now he wants that package, lol. To win championships over the next three postseasons. If thats not good enough than you better not be looking for an ace then.

Nope, not near good enough. The Yankees are not trading Torres and I’d rather not see the Yankees reboot the Mets for a short term fix. I wonder if the Mets will demand a 21 year old MLB All Star from any other team they negotiate with? Ah, we already know the answer to that.

In comment 14014522 BigBlueShock said:

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In comment 14014514 ZGiants98 said: Quote: In comment 14014510 BigBlueShock said: Quote: In comment 14014507 ZGiants98 said: Quote: Torres, Andujar, Frazier, and Sheffield for deGrom? Ill drive to him Yankee stadium for you. Teaming deGrom with Severino makes you an instant World Series favorite and you still have PLENTY of offense left over. Why would we do that when not even the biggest Met fan homer on the planet trusts deGrom long term? He’s done nothing but the the guy on this thread now he wants that package, lol. To win championships over the next three postseasons. If thats not good enough than you better not be looking for an ace then. Nope, not near good enough. The Yankees are not trading Torres and I’d rather not see the Yankees reboot the Mets for a short term fix. I wonder if the Mets will demand a 21 year old MLB All Star from any other team they negotiate with? Ah, we already know the answer to that.

Good. Dont trade for him then.

In comment 14014521 ZGiants98 said:

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In comment 14014519 chopperhatch said: Quote: In comment 14014514 ZGiants98 said: Quote: In comment 14014510 BigBlueShock said: Quote: In comment 14014507 ZGiants98 said: Quote: Torres, Andujar, Frazier, and Sheffield for deGrom? Ill drive to him Yankee stadium for you. Teaming deGrom with Severino makes you an instant World Series favorite and you still have PLENTY of offense left over. Why would we do that when not even the biggest Met fan homer on the planet trusts deGrom long term? He’s done nothing but the the guy on this thread now he wants that package, lol. To win championships over the next three postseasons. If thats not good enough than you better not be looking for an ace then. So unless we trade for de Grom its unlilely the Yankees will compete for a championship over the next 3 seasons? I could care less what you think the Yankees will do or wont do as far as competing over the next few years. If you are trading for one of the best aces in the game its likely because you think he puts you over the top. Dont trade for him. I could give two shits. I personally hope you dont get him.

Lol, okay....


Btw, you sound like a ranting teenager in your posts. Maybe dont get so worked up over what you think a great pitcher on a shit team with mediocre assets is worth.

Kind of a hot mess in this thread.

before this turned into Yankees VS Mets bullshit. Surprised it took this long.

I will say this. It will be interesting to see how this plays out. Im guessing they dont trade deGrom this deadline and his lame threat today is nothing more than a fart in the wind but that's just me. We shall see.

In comment 14014528 ZGiants98 said:

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I will say this. It will be interesting to see how this plays out. Im guessing they dont trade deGrom this deadline and his lame threat today is nothing more than a fart in the wind but that's just me. We shall see.

You didn’t act like his threat was a fart in the wind throughout this thread, lol. In fact, you acted like he stole your wife. Now, it’s no big deal!

You’re all over the place, as usual.

I just find his comments to not be a big deal in modern sports so there’s no reason to get upset about it. He’s doing what’s best for him, and maybe it pushes the Mets to make a decision sooner which may actually help them get out of heir own way.

There’s 2 sides to every story, and we have no idea what’s going on behind closed doors. 1 quote from and agent doesn’t change that.

In comment 14014530 BigBlueShock said:

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In comment 14014528 ZGiants98 said: Quote: I will say this. It will be interesting to see how this plays out. Im guessing they dont trade deGrom this deadline and his lame threat today is nothing more than a fart in the wind but that's just me. We shall see. You didn’t act like his threat was a fart in the wind throughout this thread, lol. In fact, you acted like he stole your wife. Now, it’s no big deal! You’re all over the place, as usual.

No I actually have said repeatedly his threat was hollow and he has zero leverage. That was the context of almost this entire thread. Maybe go back and try reading again. Your ADD is in over drive.

In comment 14014527 ZGiants98 said:

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before this turned into Yankees VS Mets bullshit. Surprised it took this long.

Omg, what a baby.

This thread is based on de Grom's agent wanting a trade and Yankees happen to be one of the teams that is in the market for him.

You are the one asking for ridiculous returns in exchange for a potcher you can do nothing with

In comment 14014531 UConn4523 said:

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I just find his comments to not be a big deal in modern sports so there’s no reason to get upset about it. He’s doing what’s best for him, and maybe it pushes the Mets to make a decision sooner which may actually help them get out of heir own way. There’s 2 sides to every story, and we have no idea what’s going on behind closed doors. 1 quote from and agent doesn’t change that.

Fair enough and once again I felt he could have gone about it better. Asking to be traded if he's not extended three years from now and implying he might become a distraction if nothing is done (how I am taking it) was poor judgment. The Mets have had enough injuries and enough shitty things happen this year to have to add the face of the franchise to the list to pile on.

In comment 14014534 chopperhatch said:

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In comment 14014527 ZGiants98 said: Quote: before this turned into Yankees VS Mets bullshit. Surprised it took this long. Omg, what a baby. This thread is based on de Grom's agent wanting a trade and Yankees happen to be one of the teams that is in the market for him. You are the one asking for ridiculous returns in exchange for a potcher you can do nothing with

I could care less if its too rich for your blood. Let me guess... You want one of the best aces in the game for THREE postseason runs for a package centered around Frazier and Sheffield?? LOL. Good luck with that. But thats the problem with these kind of debates.

I doubt DeGrom or his agent leaked it because it won't be well received by the fan base.

In comment 14014540 Jay on the Island said:

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I doubt DeGrom or his agent leaked it because it won't be well received by the fan base.

I dont know if you are being serious or not but in the chance you are thank you. lol. That was the point of my entire argument today.

It was a public statement put out on purpose. deGrom had to be involved even though the quotes are from the agent.

In comment 14014542 ZGiants98 said:

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In comment 14014540 Jay on the Island said: Quote: I doubt DeGrom or his agent leaked it because it won't be well received by the fan base. I dont know if you are being serious or not but in the chance you are thank you. lol. That was the point of my entire argument today.

I was being serious. I assumed it was Jeff Wilpon who was angry over DeGrom's demands.

In comment 14014546 Jay on the Island said:

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In comment 14014542 ZGiants98 said: Quote: In comment 14014540 Jay on the Island said: Quote: I doubt DeGrom or his agent leaked it because it won't be well received by the fan base. I dont know if you are being serious or not but in the chance you are thank you. lol. That was the point of my entire argument today. I was being serious. I assumed it was Jeff Wilpon who was angry over DeGrom's demands.

Nope stictly from the agent and deGrom's "party". I agree it comes off bad.

I’d highly recommend checking out the full text of the agent’s statement as well as the audio of deGrom subsequently answering questions about it, if you haven’t already.

Z’s take on the situation is absolutely his prerogative, but it’s pretty far off from 90% of the reactions I’ve seen and heard from Mets fans.

In comment 14014550 bigbluehoya said:

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I’d highly recommend checking out the full text of the agent’s statement as well as the audio of deGrom subsequently answering questions about it, if you haven’t already.

Yes I will do that. I have been busy all day and I am exhausted so I haven't read the entire statement. I jumped to conclusions based on Jeff Wilpon's reputation.

and it's bad. They are suggesting to trade him. I agree the audio makes it come off a little softer but they were still trying to imply and insinuate things there.

Once again, I dont like the way they handled things and I dont think they have any leverage. This will blow over by tomorrow and there is literally noting deGrom can do about it but deGrom could have handled this better IMO.

The agent is just making noise to put pressure on the team to get the deal done while his client is at peak value (meaning his commission will be more.

Really nothing to see here.

For DeGrom.

Mets get the Yankees #1, #3 and #7 prospects, including Abreu who is their #2 pitching prospect, can build their OF around two young talents and slide Drury into 3rd, and the Yankees get the upgrade at pitcher that they need.

In comment 14014571 nyjuggernaut2 said:

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For DeGrom. Mets get the Yankees #1, #3 and #7 prospects, including Abreu who is their #2 pitching prospect, can build their OF around two young talents and slide Drury into 3rd, and the Yankees get the upgrade at pitcher that they need.

LMFAO

but id consider:

Andujar, Frazier, Adams
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Degrom and Todd Frazier

It will be a disaster. You can guarantee that.

Jesus Christ man, you are delusional.

This was a calculated move by deGroms camp, IMO. No way he just comes out and says it for the hell of it. No baseball all week, this will dominate headlines during the slow part of the season and straight into the Subway series.

You know it’s a big deal, that’s why you are pissed no matter how much you want to try and now downplay it.

In comment 14014585 UConn4523 said:

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Jesus Christ man, you are delusional. This was a calculated move by deGroms camp, IMO. No way he just comes out and says it for the hell of it. No baseball all week, this will dominate headlines during the slow part of the season and straight into the Subway series. You know it’s a big deal, that’s why you are pissed no matter how much you want to try and now downplay it.

The talking heads will no doubt cover it for a week but I was talking in terms of the Mets and their front office and what their intentions are. For the 1000th time, deGrom has no leverage. If I'm the Mets I had a good laugh and then went on to wondering what I was going to eat for dinner tonight.

deGrom, one of the Mets franchise players, acted today.

That's it.

Could care less about anything else. Maybe the Mets trade deGrom. Maybe they don't. It won't be because of anything deGrom and his agent said today that is for sure.

Just because someone can’t immediately name their price/destination doesn’t mean the have no leverage. Leverage is exactly what this was. It was the first, mild application of leverage by deGrom and his agent, because they feel like the private conversations haven’t been in earnest.

You can say “no leverage” a thousand more times. You’ll still be wrong.

The fact that you think the Mets FO can or should be laughing at anyone other than themselves is lunacy.

In comment 14014590 bigbluehoya said:

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Just because someone can’t immediately name their price/destination doesn’t mean the have no leverage. Leverage is exactly what this was. It was the first, mild application of leverage by deGrom and his agent, because they feel like the private conversations haven’t been in earnest. You can say “no leverage” a thousand more times. You’ll still be wrong. The fact that you think the Mets FO can or should be laughing at anyone other than themselves is lunacy.

deGrom has zero leverage and I could care less what you think to the contrary. His only "leverage" play would be to threaten not to play. That's never going to happen. Amazing, that supposed baseball people, are this out to lunch.

I forgot... UCONN told me if he's "unhappy" it lowers his value. Got it.

This is an indication of the whole system being poisoned.

The agent knows the Mets aren't extending him. This is a blatantly clear indication he wants out.

When the agents and the players start negotiating to this extent in the press, it means they have no respect or trust in ownership or management.

It doesn't make it right, but it's broken.

In comment 14014594 christian said:

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This is an indication of the whole system being poisoned. The agent knows the Mets aren't extending him. This is a blatantly clear indication he wants out. When the agents and the players start negotiating to this extent in the press, it means they have no respect or trust in ownership or management. It doesn't make it right, but it's broken.

Not sure what this in regards to. The Mets have sat down with deGrom and discussed extension each of the last two offseasons so clearly the agent shouldnt know they arent extending him.

hopefully he gets freedom from this shitbag organization so he doesn't waste his prime putting up a sub 2 ERA for a bottom third major league team for the next five seasons.

In comment 14014595 ZGiants98 said:

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In comment 14014594 christian said: Quote: This is an indication of the whole system being poisoned. The agent knows the Mets aren't extending him. This is a blatantly clear indication he wants out. When the agents and the players start negotiating to this extent in the press, it means they have no respect or trust in ownership or management. It doesn't make it right, but it's broken. Not sure what this in regards to. The Mets have sat down with deGrom and discussed extension each of the last two offseasons so clearly the agent shouldnt know they arent extending him.

Yes dude, that's the point. An extension isn't happening. If the two sides were ever close Wagenen isn't going nuclear at the All Star break.

A functional front office can handle this. You think Wagenen and Degrom just woke up today and said fuck it. July 16, let's just burn this down?

In comment 14014597 christian said:

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In comment 14014595 ZGiants98 said: Quote: In comment 14014594 christian said: Quote: This is an indication of the whole system being poisoned. The agent knows the Mets aren't extending him. This is a blatantly clear indication he wants out. When the agents and the players start negotiating to this extent in the press, it means they have no respect or trust in ownership or management. It doesn't make it right, but it's broken. Not sure what this in regards to. The Mets have sat down with deGrom and discussed extension each of the last two offseasons so clearly the agent shouldnt know they arent extending him. Yes dude, that's the point. An extension isn't happening. If the two sides were ever close Wagenen isn't going nuclear at the All Star break. A functional front office can handle this. You think Wagenen and Degrom just woke up today and said fuck it. July 16, let's just burn this down?

Jesus Christ talk about beating a damn horse over and over again in the same thread. Why the hell should the Mets feel obligated to extend deGrom and give him what he wants now?? Hes going to be a free agent at 33 three years from now and he's had two major arm surgeries. Enough with this nonsense. The Mets have the money to extend him if they want and they will when the time is right. Or they will trade him. Dont care either way but deGrom cant do shit about it and he just comes off as a dick today. I doubt deGrom makes a bigger issue about it past today and if he does it will only further make him look like a bigger dick. He still wont have the power to force anything.

They've been trying to put a team around him since 2015.

But it's the mets, so they'll re-sign him just for ticket sales maybe.

past his arb years, they have to sign him to an extension now. Convincing deGrom to re-sign with you in two years is going to be a tough sell if your team has sucked for four straight years and he's wasted his prime putting up zeros for a shit offense.

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They've been trying to put a team around him since 2015. But it's the mets, so they'll re-sign him just for ticket sales maybe.

For what? What are you trading him for? Three postseason runs of a pure ace/one of the best pitchers in baseball is probably worth close to the biggest return imaginable. Nothing is more valuable than a shutdown ace in a short playoff series.

There may have been bigger lopsided deals done before but heading into the deal on paper in terms of value deGrom is worth an absolute truckload. If the deal isnt there you don't trade him just because. We got TDA (a top 5 prospect in baseball at the time), Syndergaard, and an upside third piece for ONE year of 43 year old Dickey (and supposedly you can net more at a deadline and the Dickey deal was done in the offseason).

In comment 14014602 NyquistX3 said:

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past his arb years, they have to sign him to an extension now. Convincing deGrom to re-sign with you in two years is going to be a tough sell if your team has sucked for four straight years and he's wasted his prime putting up zeros for a shit offense.

Im calling bullshit. If the money is there he will listen whenever we feel like it. We also will have many more opportunities to trade him if he stands by it over the next few years. We also might not still be sucking in two years regardless of your view of it. We also could let him walk and soak up 2.5 more years of ace control and thats not the worst thing either.

In comment 14014598 ZGiants98 said:

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In comment 14014597 christian said: Quote: In comment 14014595 ZGiants98 said: Quote: In comment 14014594 christian said: Quote: This is an indication of the whole system being poisoned. The agent knows the Mets aren't extending him. This is a blatantly clear indication he wants out. When the agents and the players start negotiating to this extent in the press, it means they have no respect or trust in ownership or management. It doesn't make it right, but it's broken. Not sure what this in regards to. The Mets have sat down with deGrom and discussed extension each of the last two offseasons so clearly the agent shouldnt know they arent extending him. Yes dude, that's the point. An extension isn't happening. If the two sides were ever close Wagenen isn't going nuclear at the All Star break. A functional front office can handle this. You think Wagenen and Degrom just woke up today and said fuck it. July 16, let's just burn this down? Jesus Christ talk about beating a damn horse over and over again in the same thread. Why the hell should the Mets feel obligated to extend deGrom and give him what he wants now?? Hes going to be a free agent at 33 three years from now and he's had two major arm surgeries. Enough with this nonsense. The Mets have the money to extend him if they want and they will when the time is right. Or they will trade him. Dont care either way but deGrom cant do shit about it and he just comes off as a dick today. I doubt deGrom makes a bigger issue about it past today and if he does it will only further make him look like a bigger dick. He still wont have the power to force anything.

Whoa dude -- not only did your entire rant not even remotely address anything I said, you somehow managed to lose your apostrophe key along the way. That's impressive.

I guess one way to handle great players is to go to arbitration every year, potentially get smacked 2 years in a row and lose him. I'm sure that's inspiring to potential free agents.

LOL. This thread is a mess. 90% of the people here are saying the agent and deGrom did nothing wrong. But now they are going nuclear? Most of the people here arent even remotely familiar with deGrom and what's been going on over the last few years anyway. You clearly fall into that boat. Have a nice night.

go through their arbitration years? LOL. Only 99.9999999 % of every player goes through the exact same process for every team.

Everyone else is is an idiot without a clue.

Mets fans - you have my sympathies. There are bad posters everywhere on all threads of all teams, but this fuckwit seems difficult to ignore.

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Everyone else is is an idiot without a clue. Mets fans - you have my sympathies. There are bad posters everywhere on all threads of all teams, but this fuckwit seems difficult to ignore.

Fuck yourself dipshit.

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LOL. This thread is a mess. 90% of the people here are saying the agent and deGrom did nothing wrong. But now they are going nuclear? Most of the people here arent even remotely familiar with deGrom and what's been going on over the last few years anyway. You clearly fall into that boat. Have a nice night.

Dude, YOU are the mess. A raving, screaming, arm flailing, red-faced mess.

In comment 14014614 ZGiants98 said:

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In comment 14014613 bigbluehoya said: Quote: Everyone else is is an idiot without a clue. Mets fans - you have my sympathies. There are bad posters everywhere on all threads of all teams, but this fuckwit seems difficult to ignore. Fuck yourself dipshit.

Nope, you have no leverage

In comment 14014615 chopperhatch said:

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In comment 14014610 ZGiants98 said: Quote: LOL. This thread is a mess. 90% of the people here are saying the agent and deGrom did nothing wrong. But now they are going nuclear? Most of the people here arent even remotely familiar with deGrom and what's been going on over the last few years anyway. You clearly fall into that boat. Have a nice night. Dude, YOU are the mess. A raving, screaming, arm flailing, red-faced mess.

No actually, Im not the one cursing other posters out until I get attacked first. But it's not surprising Im sitting here arguing with three fucking Yankee fans all about different topics, all out to prove me wrong about lord knows what.

99.999999 of owners would leverage the situation to get at least an extra year from a 30-year-old with a sub 2 ERA and a mind-blowing 6 WAR.

I should have accepted deGrom's agent knows the Mets can never extend him, being "unhappy" lowers trade value, and Drury and change will get you three post season runs of a Cy Young contender.

Oh and of course the best part... deGrom has all the leverage in the world. He's in the driver seat. Mets are fucked.

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99.999999 of owners would leverage the situation to get at least an extra year from a 30-year-old with a sub 2 ERA and a mind-blowing 6 WAR.

Lol they actually tried to extend him one year early on. He declined. He wanted more years at a very early point. But carry on.

And yes.... 99.9999999% of all players get extended by a year. Got it.

In comment 14014621 ZGiants98 said:

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In comment 14014618 christian said: Quote: 99.999999 of owners would leverage the situation to get at least an extra year from a 30-year-old with a sub 2 ERA and a mind-blowing 6 WAR. Lol they actually tried to extend him one year early on. He declined. He wanted more years at a very early point. But carry on. And yes.... 99.9999999% of all players get extended by a year. Got it.

I'm gonna give you the benifit of the doubt you're either half way down a handle of bourbon or you're just going bananas, but you really should try and read what others post.

This might be totally bonkers for you to grasp, but not every comment on every Mets thread is aimed at getting a barely thought out, incoherent reaction from you.

Baseball fans can think the Mets ownership and management sucks -- and it truly, truly isn't about you dude.

In comment 14014617 ZGiants98 said:

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In comment 14014615 chopperhatch said: Quote: In comment 14014610 ZGiants98 said: Quote: LOL. This thread is a mess. 90% of the people here are saying the agent and deGrom did nothing wrong. But now they are going nuclear? Most of the people here arent even remotely familiar with deGrom and what's been going on over the last few years anyway. You clearly fall into that boat. Have a nice night. Dude, YOU are the mess. A raving, screaming, arm flailing, red-faced mess. No actually, Im not the one cursing other posters out until I get attacked first. But it's not surprising Im sitting here arguing with three fucking Yankee fans all about different topics, all out to prove me wrong about lord knows what.

No, you are just the one arguing with 4/5 posters at the same time until they all call you a schmick and then lose it.

Btw, the only one talking about the Yankees really is you. You brought up which prospects would suffice. You brought up a bogus, hypothetical about Yankee fams only willing to give up Drury and loose change for Jacob de Grom. The Yanks fans here have been pretty much talking about the statement de Grom's agent made (the subject of the thread).

Maybe walk away from this like you said you were going to an hour ago and go cry yourself to sleep?

In comment 14014625 christian said:

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In comment 14014621 ZGiants98 said: Quote: In comment 14014618 christian said: Quote: 99.999999 of owners would leverage the situation to get at least an extra year from a 30-year-old with a sub 2 ERA and a mind-blowing 6 WAR. Lol they actually tried to extend him one year early on. He declined. He wanted more years at a very early point. But carry on. And yes.... 99.9999999% of all players get extended by a year. Got it. I'm gonna give you the benifit of the doubt you're either half way down a handle of bourbon or you're just going bananas, but you really should try and read what others post.

Lol, if he were cool enough to whack down bourbon like that, he'd probably have lost interest in this thread. I know I would have.

And yes I AM cool enough to whack down boubon like that. 😎

In comment 14014625 christian said:

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In comment 14014621 ZGiants98 said: Quote: In comment 14014618 christian said: Quote: 99.999999 of owners would leverage the situation to get at least an extra year from a 30-year-old with a sub 2 ERA and a mind-blowing 6 WAR. Lol they actually tried to extend him one year early on. He declined. He wanted more years at a very early point. But carry on. And yes.... 99.9999999% of all players get extended by a year. Got it. I'm gonna give you the benifit of the doubt you're either half way down a handle of bourbon or you're just going bananas, but you really should try and read what others post. This might be totally bonkers for you to grasp, but not every comment on every Mets thread is aimed at getting a barely thought out, incoherent reaction from you. Baseball fans can think the Mets ownership and management sucks -- and it truly, truly isn't about you dude.

Yup. And I just realized you actually suggested offering deGrom a one-year extension based on what he's doing this year. Yeah you are definitely coherent. Great comment.

In comment 14014629 chopperhatch said:

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In comment 14014617 ZGiants98 said: Quote: In comment 14014615 chopperhatch said: Quote: In comment 14014610 ZGiants98 said: Quote: LOL. This thread is a mess. 90% of the people here are saying the agent and deGrom did nothing wrong. But now they are going nuclear? Most of the people here arent even remotely familiar with deGrom and what's been going on over the last few years anyway. You clearly fall into that boat. Have a nice night. Dude, YOU are the mess. A raving, screaming, arm flailing, red-faced mess. No actually, Im not the one cursing other posters out until I get attacked first. But it's not surprising Im sitting here arguing with three fucking Yankee fans all about different topics, all out to prove me wrong about lord knows what. No, you are just the one arguing with 4/5 posters at the same time until they all call you a schmick and then lose it. Btw, the only one talking about the Yankees really is you. You brought up which prospects would suffice. You brought up a bogus, hypothetical about Yankee fams only willing to give up Drury and loose change for Jacob de Grom. The Yanks fans here have been pretty much talking about the statement de Grom's agent made (the subject of the thread). Maybe walk away from this like you said you were going to an hour ago and go cry yourself to sleep?

Thats actually not how any of this has gone down at all. But thanks for your sweet input.

In comment 14014599 Ten Ton Hammer said:

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They've been trying to put a team around him since 2015. But it's the mets, so they'll re-sign him just for ticket sales maybe.

He's relatively innings young 30 and already endured TJ. He's the exact type of pitcher you work with to extend and build around.

It's the Mets -- they aren't going to sign or trade him. They'll let it play out, probably get tagged with +20M a few times after he wins the Cy Young in arbitration, and lose him for nothing down the road because they're in the wild card chase.

In comment 14014592 ZGiants98 said:

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I forgot... UCONN told me if he's "unhappy" it lowers his value. Got it.

Yup, spot on to what I’m suggesting.

Is your tantrum over yet? You started this entire thing by going bezerk about a quote from an agent and have been backtracking ever since about now not caring about it while twisting the words of every poster who’s responded to you.

Some people don’t agree with you, get over it.

I understand both sides here...the Mets have him under control through 2020 and Jake's camp wanting to cash in while his value is at its peak. Let's not act like this has never happened before to a bonafide superstar in the sport. A few years back the Angels knew what they had in Trout and basically bought out his arbitration years and gave him an extension that can be considered "below" market value, but still a nice chunk of change (6 year $145M).

It is one of those scenarios where the Wilpon's have to shit or get off the pot. As a Mets fan, I hope they do right by Jake and pay him. We shall see.

How dare you...

In comment 14014680 UConn4523 said:

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How dare you...

Yeah, I have gotten into it with Z in the past. Dude is a dedicated Mets fan, I will give him that. but if this thread is any indicator, he brings most of this bull shit on himself. I do think some like to see him get riled up and know what buttons to push. With the Mets sucking, we haven't seen a good Z outburst in a while.

versus Jacob DeGrom, this Metnut will take DeGrom's side 101 out of 100 times. Ownership and front office has turned this franchise into a complete mess. DeGrom comes out there every 5 days and lays it on the field for this awful team.

In comment 14014636 christian said:

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In comment 14014599 Ten Ton Hammer said: Quote: They've been trying to put a team around him since 2015. But it's the mets, so they'll re-sign him just for ticket sales maybe. He's relatively innings young 30 and already endured TJ. He's the exact type of pitcher you work with to extend and build around. It's the Mets -- they aren't going to sign or trade him. They'll let it play out, probably get tagged with +20M a few times after he wins the Cy Young in arbitration, and lose him for nothing down the road because they're in the wild card chase.

Any franchise that was normal would work with him to extend and build around. In a Mets context, they're demonstrating incompetence in building any kind of foundation around him. But sure, it's also very mets to lose him for nothing as well.

I like deGrom and want him to finish his career as a Met, but I'm not sure it makes you a "normal" team to prematurely extend a pitcher who has already had TJS, is 30 years old, and had surgery to "displace a nerve" in his same elbow where he had TJS and even as recently as spring training had to have an MRI due to elbow soreness.

I wonder if someone has a stat to show many many games deGrom and Thor have been in the rotation together.

Anyway, I said earlier in the thread, I would extend him, but if I did it now, it would have to be extremely team friendly.

This isn't 23 year old Mike Trout, it's 30 year old deGrom, with a history of TJS and other elbow ailments.

it's not simply something a "normal team" would do to extend that player two and a half years before they have to.

It's actually probably bad business to be honest, but one I could get behind for a variety of reasons. The Mets have a ton of stuff where they deserve to be shit on, but not extending deGrom yet isn't one of them IMO.

deGrom has made less in his entire career than Max Scherzer is making this year. He has been a good soldier and is pitching at a ridiculous level. He deserves to get paid his value. This is a business.

Are they going to offer him 25-50 million more than anyone else? What is attractive about the Mets to a player who can have his choice of teams?

2 things are clear, the consensus is deGroms value will never be higher than it is today and that this story won’t be “gone by tomorrow”.

the press as a negotiating tactic. It's obvious that conversations have occurred but I'm sure there are differences in opinion on what a fair contract is for a top pitcher who happens to be 30 years old and team controlled for two more years. I'm sure he wants ace money (who wouldn't?) but what "smart" team would give a guy $25-30 million when they don't have to? The "right" thing to do is meet somewhere in the middle but there is a big middle. It's a middle that is more money than most of us will ever see in our lifetime.

In comment 14014750 pjcas18 said:

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I like deGrom and want him to finish his career as a Met, but I'm not sure it makes you a "normal" team to prematurely extend a pitcher who has already had TJS, is 30 years old, and had surgery to "displace a nerve" in his same elbow where he had TJS and even as recently as spring training had to have an MRI due to elbow soreness. I wonder if someone has a stat to show many many games deGrom and Thor have been in the rotation together. Anyway, I said earlier in the thread, I would extend him, but if I did it now, it would have to be extremely team friendly. This isn't 23 year old Mike Trout, it's 30 year old deGrom, with a history of TJS and other elbow ailments. it's not simply something a "normal team" would do to extend that player two and a half years before they have to. It's actually probably bad business to be honest, but one I could get behind for a variety of reasons. The Mets have a ton of stuff where they deserve to be shit on, but not extending deGrom yet isn't one of them IMO.

Don't disagree with anything, which is why they should be trading him. Unless you can sign him to a team friendly deal, it makes no sense at all to not make him available for trade. The mets need to announce that he's on the block and let teams bid. Of course the Mets don't do things the right way so they will let teams know he's not available, they won't sign him to an extension and then he will get hurt next year and have no value via trade. Book it.

an offer similar to what the Red Sox sent the White Sox for Sale, it's a no-brainer.

Sale had a longer track record and was a little younger and had another year of control - so I'm not 1 to 1 comparing Sale and deGrom so don't bother taking the thread there, so back off that trade a little, but that's the type of trade I'm looking for to move deGrom with roughly 2.5 years of team control and him being a Cy Young contender.

If not I continue to float team friendly offers to buy out his arbitration years and maybe a couple FA years until I have to either trade or extend him.

Look at the Nationals and Orioles. Both stand to lose franchise cornerstone players for nothing (but a comp pick) and those guys are far younger than deGrom.

If the Mets can't come to agreeable contract terms or receive what they view as a fair trade offer then he walks in his 33 years old season.

It may be smart to trade him. But only the new GM should make a move like that.

In comment 14014587 ZGiants98 said:

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deGrom, one of the Mets franchise players, acted today. That's it. Could care less about anything else. Maybe the Mets trade deGrom. Maybe they don't. It won't be because of anything deGrom and his agent said today that is for sure.

UConn, bigbluehoya, TTH, et al., we just have to settle down and acknowledge that ZGiants98 still lives in the reserve clause era, that would explain much, not all, but much of ZG's stuff; Curt Flood would applaud (:

Hammer, completely agree your 11:12 last night. The Wilpons never run out of ways to shit on themselves; unfortunately, DeGrom has to wear it.

and when they go through the GM candidates it should be a central focus of where they go from here.

I just hope the Wilpon's don't eliminate candidates based on their personal preference. But I stand by my earlier comments that I'm sure they will find a way to completely botch this.

Also as I said when the news broke, I think JDG is 100% right. Now is the time to resign him if you think he's going to be in the Cy Young convo over the next 3-5 years. Or it's the time to cash in if you're not prepared to pay him somewhere between $120-150m. Holding on to him and risking his trade value if you're note going to resign him and playing the arbitration game is retarded.

Why do you guys call him "Baghdad Z?"

In comment 14014979 chopperhatch said:

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Why do you guys call him "Baghdad Z?"

Because he's basically the Mets version of Baghdad Bob, a propagandist.

In comment 14014980 Greg from LI said:

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In comment 14014979 chopperhatch said: Quote: Why do you guys call him "Baghdad Z?" Because he's basically the Mets version of Baghdad Bob, a propagandist.

Duh. I thought he was this guy:



So much jiggly

In comment 14014984 chopperhatch said:

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In comment 14014980 Greg from LI said: Quote: In comment 14014979 chopperhatch said: Quote: Why do you guys call him "Baghdad Z?" Because he's basically the Mets version of Baghdad Bob, a propagandist. Duh. I thought he was this guy: So much jiggly

Da Metz!

cutting up all his stuffed animals.

In comment 14014603 ZGiants98 said:

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For what? What are you trading him for?

As much as you can get, obviously. I'm not saying give him away for free. His value will never be higher considering the season he's having. Aim for another Dickey trade.

In comment 14015000 Ten Ton Hammer said:

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In comment 14014603 ZGiants98 said: Quote: For what? What are you trading him for? As much as you can get, obviously. I'm not saying give him away for free. His value will never be higher considering the season he's having. Aim for another Dickey trade.

It would have to be a lot more than Dickey brought back. Best pitcher in baseball this year with two more years of relatively low cost control.

And its not going to be just prospects. Mets are going to want a young player.

So, for example, if it were the Yankees, we are talking something like:

Torres + Florial + another 1A prospect


Yankee fans who are thinking Frazier and Andujar are delusional

two teams don't match up. It's not happening.

stuck on someone's shoe.

In comment 14015044 DanMetroMan said:

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two teams don't match up. It's not happening.

I agree. Even beyond matching up, Fred is not trading Degrom to the Yankees. I was just giving an example of the type of package with players

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In comment 14015044 DanMetroMan said: Quote: two teams don't match up. It's not happening. I agree. Even beyond matching up, Fred is not trading Degrom to the Yankees. I was just giving an example of the type of package with players

The more I think about it, the less I want it to happen. I would rather spend a bunch for a true number 2 like another poster mentioned on another thread...Carlos Martinez. He will cost a bunch, but we may be able to keep Sheffield and 2 of Florial, Frazier, Andujar.

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And I fucking missed it.

In comment 14015044 DanMetroMan said:

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two teams don't match up. It's not happening.

How do the two teams not match up? They actually match up perfectly.

Forget the names of the teams. One team is looking for an Ace and has quality prospects to spare. The other team has a legit Ace on a great contract and is looking for good prospects. It’s about as perfect a match as you are going to get.

I agree that it won’t happen because neither team is going to want to “lose” the trade and the Wilpons, in general, are mind-numbing idiots. But the two teams have exactly what the other needs.

In comment 14015123 chopperhatch said:

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In comment 14015120 bigbluehoya said: Quote: . And I fucking missed it.

You haven’t seen enough of them, lol?

In comment 14015127 PhiPsi125 said:

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In comment 14015044 DanMetroMan said: Quote: two teams don't match up. It's not happening. How do the two teams not match up? They actually match up perfectly. Forget the names of the teams. One team is looking for an Ace and has quality prospects to spare. The other team has a legit Ace on a great contract and is looking for good prospects. It’s about as perfect a match as you are going to get. I agree that it won’t happen because neither team is going to want to “lose” the trade and the Wilpons, in general, are mind-numbing idiots. But the two teams have exactly what the other needs.

Spot on.

In comment 14015128 PhiPsi125 said:

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In comment 14015123 chopperhatch said: Quote: In comment 14015120 bigbluehoya said: Quote: . And I fucking missed it. You haven’t seen enough of them, lol?

A Judge homer? Theres really no such thing as seen enough.

In comment 14015134 chopperhatch said:

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In comment 14015128 PhiPsi125 said: Quote: In comment 14015123 chopperhatch said: Quote: In comment 14015120 bigbluehoya said: Quote: . And I fucking missed it. You haven’t seen enough of them, lol? A Judge homer? Theres really no such thing as seen enough.

Haha, truth.

A possibility or change things btwn Mets and Yanks?