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More from Van Wagenen: “If the Mets don’t share same interest, we believe their best course of action is to seriously consider trade opportunities now.
The inertia of current situation could complicate Jacob’s relationship with the club and creates an atmosphere of indecision.”
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CAA’s Brodie van Wagenen, agent for Jacob deGrom: “We have discussed Jacob’s future with the Mets at length. Jacob has expressed interest in exploring a long-term partnership that would keep him in a Mets uniform for years to come.” 1/2
Ill drive to him Yankee stadium for you.
Teaming deGrom with Severino makes you an instant World Series favorite and you still have PLENTY of offense left over.
Let me ask you something, if the Mets don’t get this “drop to your knees” and “franchise changing” offer you speak of so much, then what? You keep deGrom, the Mets wallow in mediocrity for two more years and he bolts? What exactly is the upside of not either trading deGrom OR giving him the extension he wants? It’s got to be one or the other, right? I mean, I’m not trying to pile on the Mets here, but they are in no mans land at this point. You REALLY think they will convince a player like Machado to sign long term there? Because that’s what you’re banking on and that seems like a rather far fetched ambition that could ultimately screw that team for years. There will be a ton of competition for this years free agents
Ill drive to him Yankee stadium for you.
Teaming deGrom with Severino makes you an instant World Series favorite and you still have PLENTY of offense left over.
Why would we do that when not even the biggest Met fan homer on the planet trusts deGrom long term? He’s done nothing but the the guy on this thread now he wants that package, lol.
Let me ask you something, if the Mets don’t get this “drop to your knees” and “franchise changing” offer you speak of so much, then what? You keep deGrom, the Mets wallow in mediocrity for two more years and he bolts? What exactly is the upside of not either trading deGrom OR giving him the extension he wants? It’s got to be one or the other, right? I mean, I’m not trying to pile on the Mets here, but they are in no mans land at this point. You REALLY think they will convince a player like Machado to sign long term there? Because that’s what you’re banking on and that seems like a rather far fetched ambition that could ultimately screw that team for years. There will be a ton of competition for this years free agents
Wow. I literally just said the complete opposite of that in terms of drGrom's value.
As for the rest. We need an impact bat. Our rotation is set for next year (and likely excellent) if its kept intact. Conforto, Rosario, and Nimmo are cost controlled high upside talent already on the team. Sprinkle in McNeil, Alonso, and a move of Cespedes part time to 1B to help preserve his career... what else do you think we need to be competitive again? Likely one big bat and bullpen help. We dont have to sign Machado or Harper. There are other good players in baseball. Trades can happen too. It wouldnt be the first time the Mets added a good player in the offseason.
I said middle of the pack.
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Torres, Andujar, Frazier, and Sheffield for deGrom?
Ill drive to him Yankee stadium for you.
Teaming deGrom with Severino makes you an instant World Series favorite and you still have PLENTY of offense left over.
Why would we do that when not even the biggest Met fan homer on the planet trusts deGrom long term? He’s done nothing but the the guy on this thread now he wants that package, lol.
To win championships over the next three postseasons. If thats not good enough than you better not be looking for an ace then.
Being a year older with 1 less year of a cheap contract is just basic economics of why any assets loses value. Add in that he’s already in his 30s and it’s even worse.
You may get the ssme bidding war with a 31/31 year old free agent from a 24/25 year old rookie, but definitely not to the same extent.
pick your poison.
for example, I know Jay may deny it, but the Braves will not be paying this crop of youngsters. You're looking at future Yankees, Red Sox and Dodgers playing in Atlanta right now.
I won't deny that the Braves won't re-sign everyone but I am not going to pretend like they will just allow Albies, Acuna, Etc to just walk. The Braves gave long term extensions to Freddie Freeman, Julio Teheran, Andrelton Simmons, and Craig Kimbrel. If I had to guess I think Foltynewicz and Newcomb walk via free agency but they sign Albies, Acuna, Soroka to long term contracts.
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Torres, Andujar, Frazier, and Sheffield for deGrom?
Ill drive to him Yankee stadium for you.
Teaming deGrom with Severino makes you an instant World Series favorite and you still have PLENTY of offense left over.
Why would we do that when not even the biggest Met fan homer on the planet trusts deGrom long term? He’s done nothing but the the guy on this thread now he wants that package, lol.
To win championships over the next three postseasons. If thats not good enough than you better not be looking for an ace then.
So unless we trade for de Grom its unlilely the Yankees will compete for a championship over the next 3 seasons?
Being a year older with 1 less year of a cheap contract is just basic economics of why any assets loses value. Add in that he’s already in his 30s and it’s even worse.
Not really. You are looking at a 3-4 quality prospect/player return either way at least through next year (look up the history of trades for top players with more control left) and again the teams involved might be different... therefore the prospect returns might be different. You also never know when a team might be desperate. Are the Yankees as desperate to add a championship as the Brewers might be if they felt they had a legit shot? I dont know but teams do funny things when they feel they should go all in. This is tiring. Ive said repeatedly I would take a huge package for deGrom now so what your arguing is moot. This started out because I didnt like the way deGrom handled things today. The end.
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In comment 14014507 ZGiants98 said:
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Torres, Andujar, Frazier, and Sheffield for deGrom?
Ill drive to him Yankee stadium for you.
Teaming deGrom with Severino makes you an instant World Series favorite and you still have PLENTY of offense left over.
Why would we do that when not even the biggest Met fan homer on the planet trusts deGrom long term? He’s done nothing but the the guy on this thread now he wants that package, lol.
To win championships over the next three postseasons. If thats not good enough than you better not be looking for an ace then.
So unless we trade for de Grom its unlilely the Yankees will compete for a championship over the next 3 seasons?
I could care less what you think the Yankees will do or wont do as far as competing over the next few years. If you are trading for one of the best aces in the game its likely because you think he puts you over the top. Dont trade for him. I could give two shits. I personally hope you dont get him.
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Torres, Andujar, Frazier, and Sheffield for deGrom?
Ill drive to him Yankee stadium for you.
Teaming deGrom with Severino makes you an instant World Series favorite and you still have PLENTY of offense left over.
Why would we do that when not even the biggest Met fan homer on the planet trusts deGrom long term? He’s done nothing but the the guy on this thread now he wants that package, lol.
To win championships over the next three postseasons. If thats not good enough than you better not be looking for an ace then.
Nope, not near good enough. The Yankees are not trading Torres and I’d rather not see the Yankees reboot the Mets for a short term fix. I wonder if the Mets will demand a 21 year old MLB All Star from any other team they negotiate with? Ah, we already know the answer to that.
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Torres, Andujar, Frazier, and Sheffield for deGrom?
Ill drive to him Yankee stadium for you.
Teaming deGrom with Severino makes you an instant World Series favorite and you still have PLENTY of offense left over.
Why would we do that when not even the biggest Met fan homer on the planet trusts deGrom long term? He’s done nothing but the the guy on this thread now he wants that package, lol.
To win championships over the next three postseasons. If thats not good enough than you better not be looking for an ace then.
Nope, not near good enough. The Yankees are not trading Torres and I’d rather not see the Yankees reboot the Mets for a short term fix. I wonder if the Mets will demand a 21 year old MLB All Star from any other team they negotiate with? Ah, we already know the answer to that.
Good. Dont trade for him then.
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Torres, Andujar, Frazier, and Sheffield for deGrom?
Ill drive to him Yankee stadium for you.
Teaming deGrom with Severino makes you an instant World Series favorite and you still have PLENTY of offense left over.
Why would we do that when not even the biggest Met fan homer on the planet trusts deGrom long term? He’s done nothing but the the guy on this thread now he wants that package, lol.
To win championships over the next three postseasons. If thats not good enough than you better not be looking for an ace then.
So unless we trade for de Grom its unlilely the Yankees will compete for a championship over the next 3 seasons?
I could care less what you think the Yankees will do or wont do as far as competing over the next few years. If you are trading for one of the best aces in the game its likely because you think he puts you over the top. Dont trade for him. I could give two shits. I personally hope you dont get him.
Lol, okay....
Btw, you sound like a ranting teenager in your posts. Maybe dont get so worked up over what you think a great pitcher on a shit team with mediocre assets is worth.
You didn’t act like his threat was a fart in the wind throughout this thread, lol. In fact, you acted like he stole your wife. Now, it’s no big deal!
You’re all over the place, as usual.
There’s 2 sides to every story, and we have no idea what’s going on behind closed doors. 1 quote from and agent doesn’t change that.
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I will say this. It will be interesting to see how this plays out. Im guessing they dont trade deGrom this deadline and his lame threat today is nothing more than a fart in the wind but that's just me. We shall see.
You didn’t act like his threat was a fart in the wind throughout this thread, lol. In fact, you acted like he stole your wife. Now, it’s no big deal!
You’re all over the place, as usual.
No I actually have said repeatedly his threat was hollow and he has zero leverage. That was the context of almost this entire thread. Maybe go back and try reading again. Your ADD is in over drive.
Omg, what a baby.
This thread is based on de Grom's agent wanting a trade and Yankees happen to be one of the teams that is in the market for him.
You are the one asking for ridiculous returns in exchange for a potcher you can do nothing with
There’s 2 sides to every story, and we have no idea what’s going on behind closed doors. 1 quote from and agent doesn’t change that.
Fair enough and once again I felt he could have gone about it better. Asking to be traded if he's not extended three years from now and implying he might become a distraction if nothing is done (how I am taking it) was poor judgment. The Mets have had enough injuries and enough shitty things happen this year to have to add the face of the franchise to the list to pile on.
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before this turned into Yankees VS Mets bullshit. Surprised it took this long.
Omg, what a baby.
This thread is based on de Grom's agent wanting a trade and Yankees happen to be one of the teams that is in the market for him.
You are the one asking for ridiculous returns in exchange for a potcher you can do nothing with
I could care less if its too rich for your blood. Let me guess... You want one of the best aces in the game for THREE postseason runs for a package centered around Frazier and Sheffield?? LOL. Good luck with that. But thats the problem with these kind of debates.
I dont know if you are being serious or not but in the chance you are thank you. lol. That was the point of my entire argument today.
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I doubt DeGrom or his agent leaked it because it won't be well received by the fan base.
I dont know if you are being serious or not but in the chance you are thank you. lol. That was the point of my entire argument today.
I was being serious. I assumed it was Jeff Wilpon who was angry over DeGrom's demands.
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I doubt DeGrom or his agent leaked it because it won't be well received by the fan base.
I dont know if you are being serious or not but in the chance you are thank you. lol. That was the point of my entire argument today.
I was being serious. I assumed it was Jeff Wilpon who was angry over DeGrom's demands.
Nope stictly from the agent and deGrom's "party". I agree it comes off bad.
Z’s take on the situation is absolutely his prerogative, but it’s pretty far off from 90% of the reactions I’ve seen and heard from Mets fans.
Yes I will do that. I have been busy all day and I am exhausted so I haven't read the entire statement. I jumped to conclusions based on Jeff Wilpon's reputation.
Once again, I dont like the way they handled things and I dont think they have any leverage. This will blow over by tomorrow and there is literally noting deGrom can do about it but deGrom could have handled this better IMO.
Really nothing to see here.
Mets get the Yankees #1, #3 and #7 prospects, including Abreu who is their #2 pitching prospect, can build their OF around two young talents and slide Drury into 3rd, and the Yankees get the upgrade at pitcher that they need.
Mets get the Yankees #1, #3 and #7 prospects, including Abreu who is their #2 pitching prospect, can build their OF around two young talents and slide Drury into 3rd, and the Yankees get the upgrade at pitcher that they need.
LMFAO
Andujar, Frazier, Adams
For
Degrom and Todd Frazier
This was a calculated move by deGroms camp, IMO. No way he just comes out and says it for the hell of it. No baseball all week, this will dominate headlines during the slow part of the season and straight into the Subway series.
You know it’s a big deal, that’s why you are pissed no matter how much you want to try and now downplay it.
This was a calculated move by deGroms camp, IMO. No way he just comes out and says it for the hell of it. No baseball all week, this will dominate headlines during the slow part of the season and straight into the Subway series.
You know it’s a big deal, that’s why you are pissed no matter how much you want to try and now downplay it.
The talking heads will no doubt cover it for a week but I was talking in terms of the Mets and their front office and what their intentions are. For the 1000th time, deGrom has no leverage. If I'm the Mets I had a good laugh and then went on to wondering what I was going to eat for dinner tonight.
That's it.
Could care less about anything else. Maybe the Mets trade deGrom. Maybe they don't. It won't be because of anything deGrom and his agent said today that is for sure.
You can say “no leverage” a thousand more times. You’ll still be wrong.
The fact that you think the Mets FO can or should be laughing at anyone other than themselves is lunacy.
You can say “no leverage” a thousand more times. You’ll still be wrong.
The fact that you think the Mets FO can or should be laughing at anyone other than themselves is lunacy.
deGrom has zero leverage and I could care less what you think to the contrary. His only "leverage" play would be to threaten not to play. That's never going to happen. Amazing, that supposed baseball people, are this out to lunch.
The agent knows the Mets aren't extending him. This is a blatantly clear indication he wants out.
When the agents and the players start negotiating to this extent in the press, it means they have no respect or trust in ownership or management.
It doesn't make it right, but it's broken.
The agent knows the Mets aren't extending him. This is a blatantly clear indication he wants out.
When the agents and the players start negotiating to this extent in the press, it means they have no respect or trust in ownership or management.
It doesn't make it right, but it's broken.
Not sure what this in regards to. The Mets have sat down with deGrom and discussed extension each of the last two offseasons so clearly the agent shouldnt know they arent extending him.
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This is an indication of the whole system being poisoned.
The agent knows the Mets aren't extending him. This is a blatantly clear indication he wants out.
When the agents and the players start negotiating to this extent in the press, it means they have no respect or trust in ownership or management.
It doesn't make it right, but it's broken.
Not sure what this in regards to. The Mets have sat down with deGrom and discussed extension each of the last two offseasons so clearly the agent shouldnt know they arent extending him.
Yes dude, that's the point. An extension isn't happening. If the two sides were ever close Wagenen isn't going nuclear at the All Star break.
A functional front office can handle this. You think Wagenen and Degrom just woke up today and said fuck it. July 16, let's just burn this down?
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This is an indication of the whole system being poisoned.
The agent knows the Mets aren't extending him. This is a blatantly clear indication he wants out.
When the agents and the players start negotiating to this extent in the press, it means they have no respect or trust in ownership or management.
It doesn't make it right, but it's broken.
Not sure what this in regards to. The Mets have sat down with deGrom and discussed extension each of the last two offseasons so clearly the agent shouldnt know they arent extending him.
Yes dude, that's the point. An extension isn't happening. If the two sides were ever close Wagenen isn't going nuclear at the All Star break.
A functional front office can handle this. You think Wagenen and Degrom just woke up today and said fuck it. July 16, let's just burn this down?
Jesus Christ talk about beating a damn horse over and over again in the same thread. Why the hell should the Mets feel obligated to extend deGrom and give him what he wants now?? Hes going to be a free agent at 33 three years from now and he's had two major arm surgeries. Enough with this nonsense. The Mets have the money to extend him if they want and they will when the time is right. Or they will trade him. Dont care either way but deGrom cant do shit about it and he just comes off as a dick today. I doubt deGrom makes a bigger issue about it past today and if he does it will only further make him look like a bigger dick. He still wont have the power to force anything.
But it's the mets, so they'll re-sign him just for ticket sales maybe.