NFT: Degrom's agent says Mets should extend or trade Degrom

In comment 14014599 Ten Ton Hammer said:

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They've been trying to put a team around him since 2015. But it's the mets, so they'll re-sign him just for ticket sales maybe.

For what? What are you trading him for? Three postseason runs of a pure ace/one of the best pitchers in baseball is probably worth close to the biggest return imaginable. Nothing is more valuable than a shutdown ace in a short playoff series.

There may have been bigger lopsided deals done before but heading into the deal on paper in terms of value deGrom is worth an absolute truckload. If the deal isnt there you don't trade him just because. We got TDA (a top 5 prospect in baseball at the time), Syndergaard, and an upside third piece for ONE year of 43 year old Dickey (and supposedly you can net more at a deadline and the Dickey deal was done in the offseason).

In comment 14014602 NyquistX3 said:

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past his arb years, they have to sign him to an extension now. Convincing deGrom to re-sign with you in two years is going to be a tough sell if your team has sucked for four straight years and he's wasted his prime putting up zeros for a shit offense.

Im calling bullshit. If the money is there he will listen whenever we feel like it. We also will have many more opportunities to trade him if he stands by it over the next few years. We also might not still be sucking in two years regardless of your view of it. We also could let him walk and soak up 2.5 more years of ace control and thats not the worst thing either.

In comment 14014598 ZGiants98 said:

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In comment 14014597 christian said: Quote: In comment 14014595 ZGiants98 said: Quote: In comment 14014594 christian said: Quote: This is an indication of the whole system being poisoned. The agent knows the Mets aren't extending him. This is a blatantly clear indication he wants out. When the agents and the players start negotiating to this extent in the press, it means they have no respect or trust in ownership or management. It doesn't make it right, but it's broken. Not sure what this in regards to. The Mets have sat down with deGrom and discussed extension each of the last two offseasons so clearly the agent shouldnt know they arent extending him. Yes dude, that's the point. An extension isn't happening. If the two sides were ever close Wagenen isn't going nuclear at the All Star break. A functional front office can handle this. You think Wagenen and Degrom just woke up today and said fuck it. July 16, let's just burn this down? Jesus Christ talk about beating a damn horse over and over again in the same thread. Why the hell should the Mets feel obligated to extend deGrom and give him what he wants now?? Hes going to be a free agent at 33 three years from now and he's had two major arm surgeries. Enough with this nonsense. The Mets have the money to extend him if they want and they will when the time is right. Or they will trade him. Dont care either way but deGrom cant do shit about it and he just comes off as a dick today. I doubt deGrom makes a bigger issue about it past today and if he does it will only further make him look like a bigger dick. He still wont have the power to force anything.

Whoa dude -- not only did your entire rant not even remotely address anything I said, you somehow managed to lose your apostrophe key along the way. That's impressive.

I guess one way to handle great players is to go to arbitration every year, potentially get smacked 2 years in a row and lose him. I'm sure that's inspiring to potential free agents.

LOL. This thread is a mess. 90% of the people here are saying the agent and deGrom did nothing wrong. But now they are going nuclear? Most of the people here arent even remotely familiar with deGrom and what's been going on over the last few years anyway. You clearly fall into that boat. Have a nice night.

go through their arbitration years? LOL. Only 99.9999999 % of every player goes through the exact same process for every team.

Everyone else is is an idiot without a clue.

Mets fans - you have my sympathies. There are bad posters everywhere on all threads of all teams, but this fuckwit seems difficult to ignore.

In comment 14014613 bigbluehoya said:

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Everyone else is is an idiot without a clue. Mets fans - you have my sympathies. There are bad posters everywhere on all threads of all teams, but this fuckwit seems difficult to ignore.

Fuck yourself dipshit.

In comment 14014610 ZGiants98 said:

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LOL. This thread is a mess. 90% of the people here are saying the agent and deGrom did nothing wrong. But now they are going nuclear? Most of the people here arent even remotely familiar with deGrom and what's been going on over the last few years anyway. You clearly fall into that boat. Have a nice night.

Dude, YOU are the mess. A raving, screaming, arm flailing, red-faced mess.

In comment 14014614 ZGiants98 said:

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In comment 14014613 bigbluehoya said: Quote: Everyone else is is an idiot without a clue. Mets fans - you have my sympathies. There are bad posters everywhere on all threads of all teams, but this fuckwit seems difficult to ignore. Fuck yourself dipshit.

Nope, you have no leverage

In comment 14014615 chopperhatch said:

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In comment 14014610 ZGiants98 said: Quote: LOL. This thread is a mess. 90% of the people here are saying the agent and deGrom did nothing wrong. But now they are going nuclear? Most of the people here arent even remotely familiar with deGrom and what's been going on over the last few years anyway. You clearly fall into that boat. Have a nice night. Dude, YOU are the mess. A raving, screaming, arm flailing, red-faced mess.

No actually, Im not the one cursing other posters out until I get attacked first. But it's not surprising Im sitting here arguing with three fucking Yankee fans all about different topics, all out to prove me wrong about lord knows what.

99.999999 of owners would leverage the situation to get at least an extra year from a 30-year-old with a sub 2 ERA and a mind-blowing 6 WAR.

I should have accepted deGrom's agent knows the Mets can never extend him, being "unhappy" lowers trade value, and Drury and change will get you three post season runs of a Cy Young contender.

Oh and of course the best part... deGrom has all the leverage in the world. He's in the driver seat. Mets are fucked.

In comment 14014618 christian said:

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99.999999 of owners would leverage the situation to get at least an extra year from a 30-year-old with a sub 2 ERA and a mind-blowing 6 WAR.

Lol they actually tried to extend him one year early on. He declined. He wanted more years at a very early point. But carry on.

And yes.... 99.9999999% of all players get extended by a year. Got it.

In comment 14014621 ZGiants98 said:

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In comment 14014618 christian said: Quote: 99.999999 of owners would leverage the situation to get at least an extra year from a 30-year-old with a sub 2 ERA and a mind-blowing 6 WAR. Lol they actually tried to extend him one year early on. He declined. He wanted more years at a very early point. But carry on. And yes.... 99.9999999% of all players get extended by a year. Got it.

I'm gonna give you the benifit of the doubt you're either half way down a handle of bourbon or you're just going bananas, but you really should try and read what others post.

This might be totally bonkers for you to grasp, but not every comment on every Mets thread is aimed at getting a barely thought out, incoherent reaction from you.

Baseball fans can think the Mets ownership and management sucks -- and it truly, truly isn't about you dude.

In comment 14014617 ZGiants98 said:

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In comment 14014615 chopperhatch said: Quote: In comment 14014610 ZGiants98 said: Quote: LOL. This thread is a mess. 90% of the people here are saying the agent and deGrom did nothing wrong. But now they are going nuclear? Most of the people here arent even remotely familiar with deGrom and what's been going on over the last few years anyway. You clearly fall into that boat. Have a nice night. Dude, YOU are the mess. A raving, screaming, arm flailing, red-faced mess. No actually, Im not the one cursing other posters out until I get attacked first. But it's not surprising Im sitting here arguing with three fucking Yankee fans all about different topics, all out to prove me wrong about lord knows what.

No, you are just the one arguing with 4/5 posters at the same time until they all call you a schmick and then lose it.

Btw, the only one talking about the Yankees really is you. You brought up which prospects would suffice. You brought up a bogus, hypothetical about Yankee fams only willing to give up Drury and loose change for Jacob de Grom. The Yanks fans here have been pretty much talking about the statement de Grom's agent made (the subject of the thread).

Maybe walk away from this like you said you were going to an hour ago and go cry yourself to sleep?

In comment 14014625 christian said:

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In comment 14014621 ZGiants98 said: Quote: In comment 14014618 christian said: Quote: 99.999999 of owners would leverage the situation to get at least an extra year from a 30-year-old with a sub 2 ERA and a mind-blowing 6 WAR. Lol they actually tried to extend him one year early on. He declined. He wanted more years at a very early point. But carry on. And yes.... 99.9999999% of all players get extended by a year. Got it. I'm gonna give you the benifit of the doubt you're either half way down a handle of bourbon or you're just going bananas, but you really should try and read what others post.

Lol, if he were cool enough to whack down bourbon like that, he'd probably have lost interest in this thread. I know I would have.

And yes I AM cool enough to whack down boubon like that. 😎

In comment 14014625 christian said:

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In comment 14014621 ZGiants98 said: Quote: In comment 14014618 christian said: Quote: 99.999999 of owners would leverage the situation to get at least an extra year from a 30-year-old with a sub 2 ERA and a mind-blowing 6 WAR. Lol they actually tried to extend him one year early on. He declined. He wanted more years at a very early point. But carry on. And yes.... 99.9999999% of all players get extended by a year. Got it. I'm gonna give you the benifit of the doubt you're either half way down a handle of bourbon or you're just going bananas, but you really should try and read what others post. This might be totally bonkers for you to grasp, but not every comment on every Mets thread is aimed at getting a barely thought out, incoherent reaction from you. Baseball fans can think the Mets ownership and management sucks -- and it truly, truly isn't about you dude.

Yup. And I just realized you actually suggested offering deGrom a one-year extension based on what he's doing this year. Yeah you are definitely coherent. Great comment.

In comment 14014629 chopperhatch said:

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In comment 14014617 ZGiants98 said: Quote: In comment 14014615 chopperhatch said: Quote: In comment 14014610 ZGiants98 said: Quote: LOL. This thread is a mess. 90% of the people here are saying the agent and deGrom did nothing wrong. But now they are going nuclear? Most of the people here arent even remotely familiar with deGrom and what's been going on over the last few years anyway. You clearly fall into that boat. Have a nice night. Dude, YOU are the mess. A raving, screaming, arm flailing, red-faced mess. No actually, Im not the one cursing other posters out until I get attacked first. But it's not surprising Im sitting here arguing with three fucking Yankee fans all about different topics, all out to prove me wrong about lord knows what. No, you are just the one arguing with 4/5 posters at the same time until they all call you a schmick and then lose it. Btw, the only one talking about the Yankees really is you. You brought up which prospects would suffice. You brought up a bogus, hypothetical about Yankee fams only willing to give up Drury and loose change for Jacob de Grom. The Yanks fans here have been pretty much talking about the statement de Grom's agent made (the subject of the thread). Maybe walk away from this like you said you were going to an hour ago and go cry yourself to sleep?

Thats actually not how any of this has gone down at all. But thanks for your sweet input.

In comment 14014599 Ten Ton Hammer said:

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They've been trying to put a team around him since 2015. But it's the mets, so they'll re-sign him just for ticket sales maybe.

He's relatively innings young 30 and already endured TJ. He's the exact type of pitcher you work with to extend and build around.

It's the Mets -- they aren't going to sign or trade him. They'll let it play out, probably get tagged with +20M a few times after he wins the Cy Young in arbitration, and lose him for nothing down the road because they're in the wild card chase.

In comment 14014592 ZGiants98 said:

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I forgot... UCONN told me if he's "unhappy" it lowers his value. Got it.

Yup, spot on to what I’m suggesting.

Is your tantrum over yet? You started this entire thing by going bezerk about a quote from an agent and have been backtracking ever since about now not caring about it while twisting the words of every poster who’s responded to you.

Some people don’t agree with you, get over it.

I understand both sides here...the Mets have him under control through 2020 and Jake's camp wanting to cash in while his value is at its peak. Let's not act like this has never happened before to a bonafide superstar in the sport. A few years back the Angels knew what they had in Trout and basically bought out his arbitration years and gave him an extension that can be considered "below" market value, but still a nice chunk of change (6 year $145M).

It is one of those scenarios where the Wilpon's have to shit or get off the pot. As a Mets fan, I hope they do right by Jake and pay him. We shall see.

How dare you...

In comment 14014680 UConn4523 said:

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How dare you...

Yeah, I have gotten into it with Z in the past. Dude is a dedicated Mets fan, I will give him that. but if this thread is any indicator, he brings most of this bull shit on himself. I do think some like to see him get riled up and know what buttons to push. With the Mets sucking, we haven't seen a good Z outburst in a while.

versus Jacob DeGrom, this Metnut will take DeGrom's side 101 out of 100 times. Ownership and front office has turned this franchise into a complete mess. DeGrom comes out there every 5 days and lays it on the field for this awful team.

In comment 14014636 christian said:

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In comment 14014599 Ten Ton Hammer said: Quote: They've been trying to put a team around him since 2015. But it's the mets, so they'll re-sign him just for ticket sales maybe. He's relatively innings young 30 and already endured TJ. He's the exact type of pitcher you work with to extend and build around. It's the Mets -- they aren't going to sign or trade him. They'll let it play out, probably get tagged with +20M a few times after he wins the Cy Young in arbitration, and lose him for nothing down the road because they're in the wild card chase.

Any franchise that was normal would work with him to extend and build around. In a Mets context, they're demonstrating incompetence in building any kind of foundation around him. But sure, it's also very mets to lose him for nothing as well.

I like deGrom and want him to finish his career as a Met, but I'm not sure it makes you a "normal" team to prematurely extend a pitcher who has already had TJS, is 30 years old, and had surgery to "displace a nerve" in his same elbow where he had TJS and even as recently as spring training had to have an MRI due to elbow soreness.

I wonder if someone has a stat to show many many games deGrom and Thor have been in the rotation together.

Anyway, I said earlier in the thread, I would extend him, but if I did it now, it would have to be extremely team friendly.

This isn't 23 year old Mike Trout, it's 30 year old deGrom, with a history of TJS and other elbow ailments.

it's not simply something a "normal team" would do to extend that player two and a half years before they have to.

It's actually probably bad business to be honest, but one I could get behind for a variety of reasons. The Mets have a ton of stuff where they deserve to be shit on, but not extending deGrom yet isn't one of them IMO.

deGrom has made less in his entire career than Max Scherzer is making this year. He has been a good soldier and is pitching at a ridiculous level. He deserves to get paid his value. This is a business.

Are they going to offer him 25-50 million more than anyone else? What is attractive about the Mets to a player who can have his choice of teams?

2 things are clear, the consensus is deGroms value will never be higher than it is today and that this story won’t be “gone by tomorrow”.

the press as a negotiating tactic. It's obvious that conversations have occurred but I'm sure there are differences in opinion on what a fair contract is for a top pitcher who happens to be 30 years old and team controlled for two more years. I'm sure he wants ace money (who wouldn't?) but what "smart" team would give a guy $25-30 million when they don't have to? The "right" thing to do is meet somewhere in the middle but there is a big middle. It's a middle that is more money than most of us will ever see in our lifetime.

In comment 14014750 pjcas18 said:

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I like deGrom and want him to finish his career as a Met, but I'm not sure it makes you a "normal" team to prematurely extend a pitcher who has already had TJS, is 30 years old, and had surgery to "displace a nerve" in his same elbow where he had TJS and even as recently as spring training had to have an MRI due to elbow soreness. I wonder if someone has a stat to show many many games deGrom and Thor have been in the rotation together. Anyway, I said earlier in the thread, I would extend him, but if I did it now, it would have to be extremely team friendly. This isn't 23 year old Mike Trout, it's 30 year old deGrom, with a history of TJS and other elbow ailments. it's not simply something a "normal team" would do to extend that player two and a half years before they have to. It's actually probably bad business to be honest, but one I could get behind for a variety of reasons. The Mets have a ton of stuff where they deserve to be shit on, but not extending deGrom yet isn't one of them IMO.

Don't disagree with anything, which is why they should be trading him. Unless you can sign him to a team friendly deal, it makes no sense at all to not make him available for trade. The mets need to announce that he's on the block and let teams bid. Of course the Mets don't do things the right way so they will let teams know he's not available, they won't sign him to an extension and then he will get hurt next year and have no value via trade. Book it.

an offer similar to what the Red Sox sent the White Sox for Sale, it's a no-brainer.

Sale had a longer track record and was a little younger and had another year of control - so I'm not 1 to 1 comparing Sale and deGrom so don't bother taking the thread there, so back off that trade a little, but that's the type of trade I'm looking for to move deGrom with roughly 2.5 years of team control and him being a Cy Young contender.

If not I continue to float team friendly offers to buy out his arbitration years and maybe a couple FA years until I have to either trade or extend him.

Look at the Nationals and Orioles. Both stand to lose franchise cornerstone players for nothing (but a comp pick) and those guys are far younger than deGrom.

If the Mets can't come to agreeable contract terms or receive what they view as a fair trade offer then he walks in his 33 years old season.

It may be smart to trade him. But only the new GM should make a move like that.

In comment 14014587 ZGiants98 said:

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deGrom, one of the Mets franchise players, acted today. That's it. Could care less about anything else. Maybe the Mets trade deGrom. Maybe they don't. It won't be because of anything deGrom and his agent said today that is for sure.

UConn, bigbluehoya, TTH, et al., we just have to settle down and acknowledge that ZGiants98 still lives in the reserve clause era, that would explain much, not all, but much of ZG's stuff; Curt Flood would applaud (:

Hammer, completely agree your 11:12 last night. The Wilpons never run out of ways to shit on themselves; unfortunately, DeGrom has to wear it.

and when they go through the GM candidates it should be a central focus of where they go from here.

I just hope the Wilpon's don't eliminate candidates based on their personal preference. But I stand by my earlier comments that I'm sure they will find a way to completely botch this.

Also as I said when the news broke, I think JDG is 100% right. Now is the time to resign him if you think he's going to be in the Cy Young convo over the next 3-5 years. Or it's the time to cash in if you're not prepared to pay him somewhere between $120-150m. Holding on to him and risking his trade value if you're note going to resign him and playing the arbitration game is retarded.

Why do you guys call him "Baghdad Z?"

In comment 14014979 chopperhatch said:

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Why do you guys call him "Baghdad Z?"

Because he's basically the Mets version of Baghdad Bob, a propagandist.

In comment 14014980 Greg from LI said:

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In comment 14014979 chopperhatch said: Quote: Why do you guys call him "Baghdad Z?" Because he's basically the Mets version of Baghdad Bob, a propagandist.

Duh. I thought he was this guy:



So much jiggly

In comment 14014984 chopperhatch said:

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In comment 14014980 Greg from LI said: Quote: In comment 14014979 chopperhatch said: Quote: Why do you guys call him "Baghdad Z?" Because he's basically the Mets version of Baghdad Bob, a propagandist. Duh. I thought he was this guy: So much jiggly

Da Metz!

cutting up all his stuffed animals.

In comment 14014603 ZGiants98 said:

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For what? What are you trading him for?

As much as you can get, obviously. I'm not saying give him away for free. His value will never be higher considering the season he's having. Aim for another Dickey trade.

In comment 14015000 Ten Ton Hammer said:

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In comment 14014603 ZGiants98 said: Quote: For what? What are you trading him for? As much as you can get, obviously. I'm not saying give him away for free. His value will never be higher considering the season he's having. Aim for another Dickey trade.

It would have to be a lot more than Dickey brought back. Best pitcher in baseball this year with two more years of relatively low cost control.

And its not going to be just prospects. Mets are going to want a young player.

So, for example, if it were the Yankees, we are talking something like:

Torres + Florial + another 1A prospect


Yankee fans who are thinking Frazier and Andujar are delusional

two teams don't match up. It's not happening.

stuck on someone's shoe.

In comment 14015044 DanMetroMan said:

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two teams don't match up. It's not happening.

I agree. Even beyond matching up, Fred is not trading Degrom to the Yankees. I was just giving an example of the type of package with players

In comment 14015072 Vanzetti said:

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In comment 14015044 DanMetroMan said: Quote: two teams don't match up. It's not happening. I agree. Even beyond matching up, Fred is not trading Degrom to the Yankees. I was just giving an example of the type of package with players

The more I think about it, the less I want it to happen. I would rather spend a bunch for a true number 2 like another poster mentioned on another thread...Carlos Martinez. He will cost a bunch, but we may be able to keep Sheffield and 2 of Florial, Frazier, Andujar.

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In comment 14015120 bigbluehoya said:

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And I fucking missed it.

In comment 14015044 DanMetroMan said:

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two teams don't match up. It's not happening.

How do the two teams not match up? They actually match up perfectly.

Forget the names of the teams. One team is looking for an Ace and has quality prospects to spare. The other team has a legit Ace on a great contract and is looking for good prospects. It’s about as perfect a match as you are going to get.

I agree that it won’t happen because neither team is going to want to “lose” the trade and the Wilpons, in general, are mind-numbing idiots. But the two teams have exactly what the other needs.

In comment 14015123 chopperhatch said:

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In comment 14015120 bigbluehoya said: Quote: . And I fucking missed it.

You haven’t seen enough of them, lol?