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NFT: Mets Minors 7/17/2018- Nido showing signs of life

DanMetroMan : 7/17/2018 7:33 am
AAA Martin
AA Jannis
AA2 TBD
St. Lucie TBD
Columbia Debora
BK VIlera
GCL TBD
DSL1
DSL2



AAA
Kaczmarski 3-5
McNeil 2-4 3b (Um, promote)
Alonso 0-4
Guillorme 1-4, 2b
Conlon 4.2 innings 10 hits 9 runs 6 walks 4 k's (7.09 era in AAA)
Smith 1 inning 1 hit 0 runs 0 walks 0 k's

AA
Nido 3-5, HR, 3b (.952 OPS in July)
Dunn 6 innings 8 hits 2 runs 0 walks 6 k's
Ryan 2 inning 2 hits 0 runs 1 walk 1 k
Nogosek 1 perfect

A+
Gimenez 1-4, 2b, 3 k's
Vasquez 1-5
Carpio 1-4, 2 k's
Sanchez 0-2, 2 BB
Cavallaro 4 innings 7 hits 6 runs 2 walks 5 k's
Villines 1.1 innings 1 hit 0 runs 0 walks 2 k's

Columbia 1
Tiberi 2-3
Winaker 0-3, K
Manea 0-3, K
Brodey 1-3, 2b, K
Rennie 6.2 innings 3 hits 0 runs 1 walk 5 k's

Columbia 2
Fermin 0-5, K
Tiberi 2-4, K
Winaker 1-2, 2 BB
Manea 3-4, HR
Brodey 2-3, BB
Viall 4 innings 7 hits 5 runs 5 walks 6 k's


BK
Chambers 0-4, 3 k's
Adolph 2-4, 3b
Dirocie 1-3, BB

Kingsport
Newton 1-4, HR, 2 BB, 2 k's
Santana 1-4, 2 BB, K
Vientos 1-5, 2b, BB (disappointing so far, 1 HR over 19 games
Kelenic 0-4, BB, K, SB
Hernandez 0-2, 3 BB
Beracierta 3-5, 3b, 2b, K (Last 10 games .447 2 homers 5 walks 3 SB's)

DSL
Hernandez 1-2, 2b
Regnault 1-2, 2b
Loiaza 4 innings 3 hits 1 run 1 walk 4 k's

DSL2 Mets were no-hit
A rare "off" day for Kelenic  
figgy2989 : 7/17/2018 7:37 am : link
I appreciate you putting this together everyday DMM. I look forward to this every morning.
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DanMetroMan : 7/17/2018 8:01 am : link
In comment 14014662 figgy2989 said:
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I appreciate you putting this together everyday DMM. I look forward to this every morning.


No problem!
Dan, I appreciate these threads....  
Chris684 : 7/17/2018 8:08 am : link
but personally I canít help but ask what it all means. Thatís not a criticism of you, rather the Mets.

Have they brought up an impact non-pitching major leaguer since Murphy? Nimmo has been a bright spot. I guess Conforto still deserves the benefit of the doubt. Dom Smith, TDA, Plawecki all non-factors. Rosario is the real shame. I thought they were bringing up the next impact SS? Every other name I can think of has looked like nothing more than a AAAA player.

Iíd be interested to know what the Mets are doing with these prospects at the minor league level to have so few impact homegrown players at regular positions in the last 10 years.

Are they drafting the wrong guys?
Are they ruining them in the development stage?
RE: Dan, I appreciate these threads....  
DanMetroMan : 7/17/2018 9:02 am : link
In comment 14014669 Chris684 said:
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but personally I canít help but ask what it all means. Thatís not a criticism of you, rather the Mets.

Have they brought up an impact non-pitching major leaguer since Murphy? Nimmo has been a bright spot. I guess Conforto still deserves the benefit of the doubt. Dom Smith, TDA, Plawecki all non-factors. Rosario is the real shame. I thought they were bringing up the next impact SS? Every other name I can think of has looked like nothing more than a AAAA player.

Iíd be interested to know what the Mets are doing with these prospects at the minor league level to have so few impact homegrown players at regular positions in the last 10 years.

Are they drafting the wrong guys?
Are they ruining them in the development stage?


Keith Law is of the belief their drafting is middle of the pack but that their development has unknown issues (he doesn't work for the team so it's hard for him to really have his finger on the pulse)

-Jeff Paternostro believes it's more of a scouting issue. That the Mets are bare bones in their analytics department (confirmed by Adam Fisher) and draft based on college numbers vs. scouts projecting players at the next level. This does seem to show up in the sheer number of college bats they take high that are DOA from day 1.
I guess it's good that Nido  
Rob in Rockaway : 7/17/2018 10:18 am : link
is turning it up but I honestly wasn't impresses with anything about him when he was with the big club. He looked like maybe a backup and maybe not even that. I hope I am wrong.
Based on what I saw Nido  
Chris684 : 7/17/2018 10:24 am : link
is a perfect example of AAAA player.

I saw nothing from his game at the ML level. A continuation of the black hole that has been TDA, Plaw and Lobaton.

I  
DanMetroMan : 7/17/2018 10:26 am : link
don't see a clear starting MLB catcher in the system. Ali Sanchez and Manea are probably the top 2. I'm not counting 16 year old Alvarez. He's 5+ years away.
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Named Later : 7/17/2018 10:33 am : link
What I saw of Nido at Columbia -- he was a very streaky hitter. He would go on a tear where you couldn't get him out for a solid month....then he would cool off.

PJ Conlon was a crafty lefty, but I'm not sure if he's a starting pitcher. Might be useful as a loogy.

The Mets don't seem to be able to develop young players. Their drafting highly ranked players with their early picks, but these kids don't seem to grasp grasp what it takes to be a big leaguer. Rosario was a touted player. Dom Smith was said to be ready to play. Conforto was right up there with Schwarber....Schwarber is in the Home Run Derby, while Mikey is on vacay.
The bar is pretty low  
pjcas18 : 7/17/2018 10:33 am : link
for MLB starting catchers. It's sort of sad none of the Mets minor league catchers even project to that.

I'd settle for a defensive whiz. You know a guy who guns out runners, good pitch framer, and solid backstop.

Nido  
DanMetroMan : 7/17/2018 10:41 am : link
actually graded very well as a pitch framer during his limited time. He was 20th best. But despite that was a NEGATIVE value player.
Tito's  
DanMetroMan : 7/17/2018 10:46 am : link
son continues his ripping of the Mets
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RE: Tito's  
Rory : 7/17/2018 11:07 am : link
In comment 14014770 DanMetroMan said:
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I often wondered if proceeds were ever distributed among the various groups the MLB affiliates themselves too to sell apparel. Props to Francona for bringing awareness to this
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allstarjim : 7/17/2018 11:56 am : link
In comment 14014748 DanMetroMan said:
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don't see a clear starting MLB catcher in the system. Ali Sanchez and Manea are probably the top 2. I'm not counting 16 year old Alvarez. He's 5+ years away.


I think you are talking minors, but I like Mesoraco and hope they can extend. They also used the largest portion of their international signing money to Francisco Alvarez, the Venezuelan catcher, so knock on wood he develops. He's only 16, and I know you already know all this Dan, but just for the good of the discussion, at 16 he's 6'3" and 213 lbs, wow that's a big boy!
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DanMetroMan : 7/17/2018 12:02 pm : link
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don't see a clear starting MLB catcher in the system. Ali Sanchez and Manea are probably the top 2. I'm not counting 16 year old Alvarez. He's 5+ years away.



I think you are talking minors, but I like Mesoraco and hope they can extend. They also used the largest portion of their international signing money to Francisco Alvarez, the Venezuelan catcher, so knock on wood he develops. He's only 16, and I know you already know all this Dan, but just for the good of the discussion, at 16 he's 6'3" and 213 lbs, wow that's a big boy!


Yeah I'm talking about the minor league system. Alvarez is at least 5 years away if not more. He's not the kid who is 6'3 213, that's the OF they signed Freddy Valdez. Alvarez is 5'11
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DanMetroMan : 7/17/2018 12:09 pm : link
MLB Pipeline had the following to say about Alvarez:

At 5-foot-11 and 220 pounds, Alvarez is a strong prospect with a stocky build and an offense-oriented set of tools. He has a reputation for hitting well in games, which speaks to his emerging hit tool. He also shows power now and the potential for more in the future. Like most young catching prospects, Alvarez is not known for his running ability.

The teenagerís bat stands out more than his glovework at the moment, but he has also shown a good arm and solid defensive actions behind the plate. He is expected to improve on his overall defensive game once he signs with a team and receives daily instruction at a clubís academy.
RE: RE: Tito's  
Vanzetti : 7/17/2018 12:20 pm : link
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son continues his ripping of the Mets Link - ( New Window )



I often wondered if proceeds were ever distributed among the various groups the MLB affiliates themselves too to sell apparel. Props to Francona for bringing awareness to this


Yeah, I agree but he did get fired. So, he paid a price. He probably needs to start another career because I don't think any team will hire him.

RE: I guess it's good that Nido  
Vanzetti : 7/17/2018 12:28 pm : link
In comment 14014738 Rob in Rockaway said:
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is turning it up but I honestly wasn't impresses with anything about him when he was with the big club. He looked like maybe a backup and maybe not even that. I hope I am wrong.


He had a few misplays when he first came up. But after he settled down, he showed he was a very good defensive catcher. He has thrown out 50% of basestealers this year at AA and AAA.

He has only allowed 13 stolen bases all year in the minors. So basically teams don't run against him.

With the Mets, he threw out 5 of 15 with a pitching staff notorious for not holding runners. Also, I believe he threw out 5 of the last 11, meaning once he got his feet wet, he took away the stolen base as a weapon.

So, while I agree he is nothing more than a backup, he is good defensively.
Ali Sanchez  
Vanzetti : 7/17/2018 12:36 pm : link
Since being promoted to St. Lucie, he has struck out only once in 41 plate appearances.
Francona is a pain in the ass  
Shecky : 7/17/2018 12:46 pm : link
Who always plays the victim card. Not saying he is entirely wrong - but take it with a grain of salt.
Wilfred Astudillo  
DanMetroMan : 7/17/2018 12:54 pm : link
summoned from the DSL
Double  
DanMetroMan : 7/17/2018 12:55 pm : link
for Mauricio
Shecky  
DanMetroMan : 7/17/2018 12:57 pm : link
given I've yet to read anything resembling a scouting report on Oscar Rojas I assume he's not much of a prospect but happen to know anything? on the season 25.2 innings 18 hits 3 walks 26 k's 3.16 era. Career 61 k's vs. 5 walks #Mets
RE: Shecky  
Shecky : 7/17/2018 1:44 pm : link
In comment 14014903 DanMetroMan said:
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given I've yet to read anything resembling a scouting report on Oscar Rojas I assume he's not much of a prospect but happen to know anything? on the season 25.2 innings 18 hits 3 walks 26 k's 3.16 era. Career 61 k's vs. 5 walks #Mets

Non prospect
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pjcas18 : 7/17/2018 1:53 pm : link
In comment 14014952 Shecky said:
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given I've yet to read anything resembling a scouting report on Oscar Rojas I assume he's not much of a prospect but happen to know anything? on the season 25.2 innings 18 hits 3 walks 26 k's 3.16 era. Career 61 k's vs. 5 walks #Mets


Non prospect


i trust this. Shecky is bullish on the Mets minor league grounds crews, bullpen catchers and bat boys. When he says non-prospect, it's legit.
Oh  
DanMetroMan : 7/17/2018 2:03 pm : link
I fully believe it. I don't agree with Shecky on everything (that would be so very boring), and the fact NOBODY ever mentions him it was clear/likely he wasn't. Just noticed him putting him solid #'s.
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DanMetroMan : 7/17/2018 2:15 pm : link
Mauricio 2 hits including a 2b, Oscar Rojas 6 innings 1 hit 0 runs 1 walk 9 k's Saul Gonzalez (23rd) 1 inning 1 hit 0 runs 1 walk 1 k pro-debut 40th rounder Brian Metoyer 1 inning 1 hit 0 runs 1 walk 0 k's #Mets
I hope the minor league system flaw  
giantsFC : 7/17/2018 3:48 pm : link
Gets resolved with the move from Vegas because these ďprospectsĒ are atrocious at the top two farm systems. The pitching is even worse than the positional players.

Even during the early-mid 90ís bad teams, at least the farm system had some pretty solid future MLB talent to mess around with.

Eventually the tide has to shift on this organization to a successful run.
The  
DanMetroMan : 7/17/2018 3:52 pm : link
move to Syracuse will help them judge players but it won't improve the talent. Being in LV isn't why AA/AAA is nearly empty. That's promotions, poor drafting, lack of development.
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