if he gets tagged again so RB averages will no longer factor in.
I read this:
[qutote]If the Steelers gave Bell the franchise tag a third time, he’d be due $17.45 million in 2019 — a number that the team will likely deem unreasonable. And given the inability of Bell and Pittsburgh to agree to a contract over the last two years, it would be shocking if they finally managed to bridge the gap next spring with free agency looming.
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I’ve seen that reported as well while also reading and hearing that a player will go to the top overall contract averages if they are tagged 3 times. Depending on which is correct it’s a huge difference of likely $10 million.
against picking Barkley simply because he's a RB, but if you want the best value at that position, take the stud RB in the draft and then let some team overpay for a back about to hit a wall in the next contract.
Very few RB's today get a big payday in the 2nd contract and are able to live up to it.
We are still overpaying when you guys like Kareem Hunt are leading the league in rushing after being drafted in the 3rd round. They still get their money eventually, but their price tag in the first few years is minuscule compared to RBs picked in the top half of the draft.
Ehh, Hunt was a diamond in the rough, so was Kamara. You can’t really plan for that and even then they’d have to do it for 4 or 5 years to really prove how “cheap” they are compared to defying a RB higher.
It should come as no shock that NFL players are terrible Â
I don’t want to sound like a hater, but man are sports contracts getting insane. I mean more power to these guys for trying to get what they can, but honestly, how much money do you need? I mean one year on the tag, invest well, and you could take care of your family for generations. Football pales in comparison to other sports though. When I see guys like JJ Redick making $20M plus in the NBA it makes me nauseous.
You aren’t in the position, you may disagree but I wouldn’t call him a dumb fuck. He’s betting on himself, which I think should be looked upon as a positive. Not many players have the balls to do that. We will find out soon how smart or dumb he is.
You aren’t in the position, you may disagree but I wouldn’t call him a dumb fuck. He’s betting on himself, which I think should be looked upon as a positive. Not many players have the balls to do that. We will find out soon how smart or dumb he is.
It’s not really about betting on himself. It’s about how these teams value the position these days. They just aren’t going to spend that kind of money on the position in free agency. But he’ll see
Was it $30M guaranteed for just 2 years or $45M guaranteed for 3 years.
If it was just $30M for 2 year, I can see Bell turning that down. He'd be betting on himself and would automatically get that amount and more if he stays healthy this year.
If it was $45M for 3 years, than I think he made a mistake. To get that security of that guaranteed money vs the risk of injury and heavy workload should be a real issue.
Plus I think the Steelers would use him differently and be conscious of the wear and tear on his body if they had him locked up for a minimum of 3 years. They're not going to abuse his workload for one year and have him be a shell of his former self in 2019 and 2020 with them still on the hook to pay him $15M per year.
You aren’t in the position, you may disagree but I wouldn’t call him a dumb fuck. He’s betting on himself, which I think should be looked upon as a positive. Not many players have the balls to do that. We will find out soon how smart or dumb he is.
It’s not really about betting on himself. It’s about how these teams value the position these days. They just aren’t going to spend that kind of money on the position in free agency. But he’ll see
I think he’s aware. I’m just not interested in counting other people money. He obviously feels like $14mm + what he thinks he can get in FA is worth the risk. There’s also other teams out there that can very well increase his usage at WR and limit his carries, thus increasing his shelf life. I’m guessing the interest in him next offseason, barring injury, will be massive.
is guaranteed even if he gets hurt. But I don't know why he would turn down 30 guaranteed. If he gets hurt, they won't franchise him next year and might not anyway.
he may be betting on himself, but RB's are a penny a dozen . Look at the NO & KC rookie Rb's, 3rd round guys.
Pitt realizes his time is short, and they're not gonna give him top dollar.
Brutal business, but reality is reality. he is in in twilight of career.
he may be betting on himself, but RB's are a penny a dozen . Look at the NO & KC rookie Rb's, 3rd round guys.
Pitt realizes his time is short, and they're not gonna give him top dollar.
Brutal business, but reality is reality. he is in in twilight of career.
I don’t agree with this at all, this isn’t the 2010 NFL, the running game is coming back and there’s only a few guys with Bells skill set. People keep referring to these mid round RBs like it’s a given or easy to do...it isn’t. I also don’t think he’s just an RB which is what the contract dispute is over. Pitt absolutely wants to keep him, but they want to pay him as the top RB. Prpblem is he’s the top RB but also a top pass catcher so the value isn’t there for him.
he may be betting on himself, but RB's are a penny a dozen . Look at the NO & KC rookie Rb's, 3rd round guys.
Pitt realizes his time is short, and they're not gonna give him top dollar.
Brutal business, but reality is reality. he is in in twilight of career.
I don’t agree with this at all, this isn’t the 2010 NFL, the running game is coming back and there’s only a few guys with Bells skill set. People keep referring to these mid round RBs like it’s a given or easy to do...it isn’t. I also don’t think he’s just an RB which is what the contract dispute is over. Pitt absolutely wants to keep him, but they want to pay him as the top RB. Prpblem is he’s the top RB but also a top pass catcher so the value isn’t there for him.
All that said, I don't think he's going to get a better offer next year from any team. Running backs may not be a dime a dozen, but teams have figured out by now that overpaying for a middle aged running back(by NFL standards), is just bad business.
Assuming he doesn’t get injured I don’t think that’s true Â
again, he isn’t just a running back. That’s the crux of this entire debate and his negotiation. He Pitt offer was “cheap” compared to what he’d get in FA. So if he takes the $14 million now and gets another $25 million guaranteed (conservatively) in his next contract, he wins and wins big. That’s a $10 million net positive factoring in that I even lowered the Pitt guaranteed offer by $5 million.
There's really no question it was a tough but pretty straight forward decision. Pitt needed to offer 40 guar to make it even close to attractive. As, he'll easily gett 30 mill guar next year, meaning he's have netted his whole tag by waiting.
Jerick McKinnon got 18 mill in guarantees after a decent half a year. Bell is 10x the player McKinnon is. He'll get at least 30 if not 40 in guarantees next year if he continues to play like he has and no crazy injury derails him. And even then, it'd take a big injury to prevent some team from ponying up for him.
he may be betting on himself, but RB's are a penny a dozen . Look at the NO & KC rookie Rb's, 3rd round guys.
Pitt realizes his time is short, and they're not gonna give him top dollar.
Brutal business, but reality is reality. he is in in twilight of career.
I don’t agree with this at all, this isn’t the 2010 NFL, the running game is coming back and there’s only a few guys with Bells skill set. People keep referring to these mid round RBs like it’s a given or easy to do...it isn’t. I also don’t think he’s just an RB which is what the contract dispute is over. Pitt absolutely wants to keep him, but they want to pay him as the top RB. Prpblem is he’s the top RB but also a top pass catcher so the value isn’t there for him.
All that said, I don't think he's going to get a better offer next year from any team. Running backs may not be a dime a dozen, but teams have figured out by now that overpaying for a middle aged running back(by NFL standards), is just bad business.
the problem is - there is a Bell every year. last year the NO & KC RB's . This year -Barkley & who knows what 3rd round er will emerge.
Unfortunately, by 27 RB's (generally) are on downside. the new NFL math will be run the RB in ground for 5 years -- toss em.
If I were Bell I would take all the guaranteed money I could, and if I'm still viable in 3 years ,sit out or demand trade after I got my guarantee.
For a number of teams. The Jets or the Bills would be perfect fits. They can both afford to spend so extra on the offensive side of the ball with their rookie QB being on rookie contracts. Both could use offensive playmakers as well for those rookie QBs.
he may be betting on himself, but RB's are a penny a dozen . Look at the NO & KC rookie Rb's, 3rd round guys.
Pitt realizes his time is short, and they're not gonna give him top dollar.
Brutal business, but reality is reality. he is in in twilight of career.
I don’t agree with this at all, this isn’t the 2010 NFL, the running game is coming back and there’s only a few guys with Bells skill set. People keep referring to these mid round RBs like it’s a given or easy to do...it isn’t. I also don’t think he’s just an RB which is what the contract dispute is over. Pitt absolutely wants to keep him, but they want to pay him as the top RB. Prpblem is he’s the top RB but also a top pass catcher so the value isn’t there for him.
All that said, I don't think he's going to get a better offer next year from any team. Running backs may not be a dime a dozen, but teams have figured out by now that overpaying for a middle aged running back(by NFL standards), is just bad business.
the problem is - there is a Bell every year. last year the NO & KC RB's . This year -Barkley & who knows what 3rd round er will emerge.
Unfortunately, by 27 RB's (generally) are on downside. the new NFL math will be run the RB in ground for 5 years -- toss em.
If I were Bell I would take all the guaranteed money I could, and if I'm still viable in 3 years ,sit out or demand trade after I got my guarantee.
I don’t see that as a problem. Those RBs don’t have the success he’s had and there’s no guarantee they will hold up like him. It’s also a fraction of the RBs in the NFL being used in your example - 25+ teams aren’t KC or New Orleans. The giants have failed miserably at RB for a decade, for example.
And again, I can’t overstate this enough, he isn’t a running back in todays NFL, he’s much more.
Especially for RBs, who are here today and gone tomorrow.
30M is a lot of money. There are 100 factors working against you as a player to kick you out of the league: mental, physical, neurological and social.
Signing that contract would have given him the (I hesitate to use the word) freedom for him and his family for a long time.
I hope he gets as much as he can, but the NFL is dangerous and risky. That was a lot of money for an RB to turn down.
I think baseball is the number one sport for ovepaying Â
and is going to get a big contract. I really think you guys need to see that the NFL is evolving like it always does every 5-10 years. I was a huge proponent in getting cheap guys to fit the bill but that is now outdated. You will continue to see RBs value increase in the coming years. Ones that are elite pass catchers will fare ever better.
2013: 13 games, 244 attempts, 45 catches, over 22 touches per game
2014: 16 games, 290 attempts, 83 catches, over 23 touches per game
2015: 6 games, 113 attempts, 24 catches, just under 23 touches per game
2016: 12 games, 261 attempts, 75 catches, 28 touches per game
2017: 15 games, 321 attempts, 85 catches, just over 27 touches per game
He is currently 26 years old. He has a ton of mileage on him. That isn't even counting all the blitz pickups he has endured. He has been suspended before. This contract would have taken him through the age of 30. RBs really start to hit the wall before 30 if I remember correctly. Another year of wear and tear on him and he will not see a 5 year contract with an average of 14 mil per year. He would have guaranteed 30 mil over the next two years. That is more than the franchise tag if I am not mistaken. IMO, he is crazy if he thinks he is getting a better deal than that. This isn't a Cousins situation where he knew he'd get more money once he became a FA. This is a RB whose best years may have already been played. Remember DeMarco Murray with the Cowboys? The knew he was only going to be there for one more year and they ran him into the ground. Nobody really wanted him after that. I can see PIT doing the same with Bell. They have him for one year so they are going to abuse him.
...abuse him; especially since he has been a FO pain by not 'playing nice'.
Next man up...especially if you build your OL well(enough).
That's pretty sick, suggesting a team abuse their player.
A very unique player with off the charts skills. I love watching him play as much as anyone currently in the league.
But a player who players a position that is largely fungible. And that's because of this moronic cap system the idiotic union, the worst union on the planet, agreed to...Pittsburgh has more than enough talent to succeed with Bell when he leaves.
One if the things that never send to get factored into the equation in these discussions is the value that comes from staying with one franchise for an entire career. I think there has to be a way to get more money if you can make it to your team's ring of honor over a lifetime than the few millions you lose by turning down a contract opportunity like this.
Let him sign for big bucks with Balt or Cle next year and see what the Pitt faithful think of him thoughout retirement.
in exchange would have a clause in the contract which would allow the team to claw back signing bonus dollars and possibly adjust other areas of the contract if Bell gets another substance suspension.
Mentioned yesterday the #Steelers final offer to RB Le’Veon Bell was 5 years, $70M. More context today: The fully guaranteed part was his signing bonus of just over $10M. He would’ve made $33M over the 1st two years — in a rolling guaranteed structure. $45M over the 1st 3 years.
The franchise tag is $14.7m fully guaranteed right now. The 5 year deal only contained $10m fully guaranteed. Would you take $4.7 million dollars less on a non-guaranteed deal?
And it's even more of a terrible deal when Brandon Cooks just got Â
I would have taken the deal, but he must think he can get more. Time will tell.
Did you see the post above yours? If that information is correct, why would he sign that deal? The only thing that matters is the guaranteed money. So let’s say he injured himself seriously this season now, he’s still getting $14.5 million. If he signed the extension and injures himself seriously this year, he’d have gotten $10 Million. That’s it. So he can play this season and make $14.5 Million and if he comes out healthy, sign a longer term deal next off season. Seems like a no brained to reject that offer to me. Again, the only thing that matters is the guaranteed money. What benefit is there for him to sign an extension that offers less guaranteed money than what he’s going to make on the tag?
I agree. There is a big difference between 30 million Â
I would have taken the deal, but he must think he can get more. Time will tell.
Did you see the post above yours? If that information is correct, why would he sign that deal? The only thing that matters is the guaranteed money. So let’s say he injured himself seriously this season now, he’s still getting $14.5 million. If he signed the extension and injures himself seriously this year, he’d have gotten $10 Million. That’s it. So he can play this season and make $14.5 Million and if he comes out healthy, sign a longer term deal next off season. Seems like a no brained to reject that offer to me. Again, the only thing that matters is the guaranteed money. What benefit is there for him to sign an extension that offers less guaranteed money than what he’s going to make on the tag?
If the above is correct it’s a brutal offer. I don’t know how anyone can say they’d take that. Forget not even being in the situation and not really knowing what you’d do in his shoes, simple math says you don’t even bother returning that call.
and he is getting bad advice from someone who doesn't know what he is doing. I am betting his agent is one of his childhood friends who thinks he knows better ...
RE: Assuming he doesn’t get injured I don’t think that’s true Â
again, he isn’t just a running back. That’s the crux of this entire debate and his negotiation. He Pitt offer was “cheap” compared to what he’d get in FA. So if he takes the $14 million now and gets another $25 million guaranteed (conservatively) in his next contract, he wins and wins big. That’s a $10 million net positive factoring in that I even lowered the Pitt guaranteed offer by $5 million.
He’s going to get paid next year.
He could have gotten paid this year. How much more money does he think he is going to get? He is going to be 27 years old the next time they talk about this .... and God forbid he gets hurt.
and he is getting bad advice from someone who doesn't know what he is doing. I am betting his agent is one of his childhood friends who thinks he knows better ...
You should really read through the thread before posting. You could learn something
RE: RE: Assuming he doesn’t get injured I don’t think that’s true Â
again, he isn’t just a running back. That’s the crux of this entire debate and his negotiation. He Pitt offer was “cheap” compared to what he’d get in FA. So if he takes the $14 million now and gets another $25 million guaranteed (conservatively) in his next contract, he wins and wins big. That’s a $10 million net positive factoring in that I even lowered the Pitt guaranteed offer by $5 million.
He’s going to get paid next year.
He could have gotten paid this year. How much more money does he think he is going to get? He is going to be 27 years old the next time they talk about this .... and God forbid he gets hurt.
I’m not sure you understand the scenario. Being tagged twice gives him a shitload of guaranteed money this year and keeps him in play for yet another guaranteed payday in 12 months or less. All said and done he can net around $40mm guaranteed over the next 12 months. So why take Pitts shitty offer?
He’s not getting much more than that next year if they let him walk. Unless maybe he goes to the Browns whomhave like 80 million to spend.
It’s been said over and over. He’s got a ton of tread on those tires. Good luck to him but he and his agent are delusional. He’s also going to skip training camp. So he won’t be ready for the start of the season. Hurts his stats imo. He will be rusty just like he was at the beginning of last year.
I get him not wanting to get injured but he better watch out. Pitt has some younger backs who May start producing. That happens he’s going to get less touches. Teams are not going to shell out 45 million guaarantess for 27 year old RBs will all those touches.
the next CBA negotiations will be critical for the players....
There are many issues, one thing will be rookie contracts.....they will fight for the end of 4th and 5th year options.....
The rookies got screwed in the last CBA by the veteran mindset of the established players.....this new generation of players will remember this, and try to make the changes....
Here is the actual CBA third franchise tag calculation Â
He will receive the highest of the following:
(i) the average of the five largest 2018 Salaries for quarterbacks;
(ii) 120% of the average of the five largest 2018 Salaries for kickers; or
(iii) 144% of the player’s own 2018 Salary.
So the $20 Million number is a floor and may be higher based on how many QBs sign new deals this year.
I think the young man just made a horrendous bet on himself. He won't get tagged again and he may not get $30 million guaranteed at age 27.
He's taking 15M guaranteed right now and will insure himself against injury for what he believes his real worth in guaranteed dollars is. I'd estimate that's an additional 25M.
He's not an idiot or leaving anything on the table.
When he signs a deal with 25M guaranteed next off-season let's see how stupid he is.
RE: Here is the actual CBA third franchise tag calculation Â
He will receive the highest of the following:
(i) the average of the five largest 2018 Salaries for quarterbacks;
(ii) 120% of the average of the five largest 2018 Salaries for kickers; or
(iii) 144% of the player’s own 2018 Salary.
So the $20 Million number is a floor and may be higher based on how many QBs sign new deals this year.
I think the young man just made a horrendous bet on himself. He won't get tagged again and he may not get $30 million guaranteed at age 27.
But the contract he was offered had less guaranteed than he’s getting his season, soooooo......
You need to wait to hear the actual guarantees in the deal.
The Steelers leaked the contract offer to make it appear that they offered Bell a great deal but he was too greedy. It is now reported that the 5 year 70 million dollar contract had only $10 million guaranteed. Bell is guaranteed $14.5 million by signing the franchise tag.
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if he gets tagged again so RB averages will no longer factor in.
I read this:
[qutote]If the Steelers gave Bell the franchise tag a third time, he’d be due $17.45 million in 2019 — a number that the team will likely deem unreasonable. And given the inability of Bell and Pittsburgh to agree to a contract over the last two years, it would be shocking if they finally managed to bridge the gap next spring with free agency looming.
I’ve seen that reported as well while also reading and hearing that a player will go to the top overall contract averages if they are tagged 3 times. Depending on which is correct it’s a huge difference of likely $10 million.
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against picking Barkley simply because he's a RB, but if you want the best value at that position, take the stud RB in the draft and then let some team overpay for a back about to hit a wall in the next contract.
Very few RB's today get a big payday in the 2nd contract and are able to live up to it.
We are still overpaying when you guys like Kareem Hunt are leading the league in rushing after being drafted in the 3rd round. They still get their money eventually, but their price tag in the first few years is minuscule compared to RBs picked in the top half of the draft.
Ehh, Hunt was a diamond in the rough, so was Kamara. You can’t really plan for that and even then they’d have to do it for 4 or 5 years to really prove how “cheap” they are compared to defying a RB higher.
You aren’t in the position, you may disagree but I wouldn’t call him a dumb fuck. He’s betting on himself, which I think should be looked upon as a positive. Not many players have the balls to do that. We will find out soon how smart or dumb he is.
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To turn that down. Dumb as fuck actually.
You aren’t in the position, you may disagree but I wouldn’t call him a dumb fuck. He’s betting on himself, which I think should be looked upon as a positive. Not many players have the balls to do that. We will find out soon how smart or dumb he is.
It’s not really about betting on himself. It’s about how these teams value the position these days. They just aren’t going to spend that kind of money on the position in free agency. But he’ll see
If it was just $30M for 2 year, I can see Bell turning that down. He'd be betting on himself and would automatically get that amount and more if he stays healthy this year.
If it was $45M for 3 years, than I think he made a mistake. To get that security of that guaranteed money vs the risk of injury and heavy workload should be a real issue.
Plus I think the Steelers would use him differently and be conscious of the wear and tear on his body if they had him locked up for a minimum of 3 years. They're not going to abuse his workload for one year and have him be a shell of his former self in 2019 and 2020 with them still on the hook to pay him $15M per year.
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To turn that down. Dumb as fuck actually.
You aren’t in the position, you may disagree but I wouldn’t call him a dumb fuck. He’s betting on himself, which I think should be looked upon as a positive. Not many players have the balls to do that. We will find out soon how smart or dumb he is.
It’s not really about betting on himself. It’s about how these teams value the position these days. They just aren’t going to spend that kind of money on the position in free agency. But he’ll see
I think he’s aware. I’m just not interested in counting other people money. He obviously feels like $14mm + what he thinks he can get in FA is worth the risk. There’s also other teams out there that can very well increase his usage at WR and limit his carries, thus increasing his shelf life. I’m guessing the interest in him next offseason, barring injury, will be massive.
These things rarely make sense to me.
Pitt realizes his time is short, and they're not gonna give him top dollar.
Brutal business, but reality is reality. he is in in twilight of career.
Pitt realizes his time is short, and they're not gonna give him top dollar.
Brutal business, but reality is reality. he is in in twilight of career.
I don’t agree with this at all, this isn’t the 2010 NFL, the running game is coming back and there’s only a few guys with Bells skill set. People keep referring to these mid round RBs like it’s a given or easy to do...it isn’t. I also don’t think he’s just an RB which is what the contract dispute is over. Pitt absolutely wants to keep him, but they want to pay him as the top RB. Prpblem is he’s the top RB but also a top pass catcher so the value isn’t there for him.
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he may be betting on himself, but RB's are a penny a dozen . Look at the NO & KC rookie Rb's, 3rd round guys.
Pitt realizes his time is short, and they're not gonna give him top dollar.
Brutal business, but reality is reality. he is in in twilight of career.
I don’t agree with this at all, this isn’t the 2010 NFL, the running game is coming back and there’s only a few guys with Bells skill set. People keep referring to these mid round RBs like it’s a given or easy to do...it isn’t. I also don’t think he’s just an RB which is what the contract dispute is over. Pitt absolutely wants to keep him, but they want to pay him as the top RB. Prpblem is he’s the top RB but also a top pass catcher so the value isn’t there for him.
All that said, I don't think he's going to get a better offer next year from any team. Running backs may not be a dime a dozen, but teams have figured out by now that overpaying for a middle aged running back(by NFL standards), is just bad business.
He’s going to get paid next year.
Jerick McKinnon got 18 mill in guarantees after a decent half a year. Bell is 10x the player McKinnon is. He'll get at least 30 if not 40 in guarantees next year if he continues to play like he has and no crazy injury derails him. And even then, it'd take a big injury to prevent some team from ponying up for him.
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he may be betting on himself, but RB's are a penny a dozen . Look at the NO & KC rookie Rb's, 3rd round guys.
Pitt realizes his time is short, and they're not gonna give him top dollar.
Brutal business, but reality is reality. he is in in twilight of career.
I don’t agree with this at all, this isn’t the 2010 NFL, the running game is coming back and there’s only a few guys with Bells skill set. People keep referring to these mid round RBs like it’s a given or easy to do...it isn’t. I also don’t think he’s just an RB which is what the contract dispute is over. Pitt absolutely wants to keep him, but they want to pay him as the top RB. Prpblem is he’s the top RB but also a top pass catcher so the value isn’t there for him.
All that said, I don't think he's going to get a better offer next year from any team. Running backs may not be a dime a dozen, but teams have figured out by now that overpaying for a middle aged running back(by NFL standards), is just bad business.
the problem is - there is a Bell every year. last year the NO & KC RB's . This year -Barkley & who knows what 3rd round er will emerge.
Unfortunately, by 27 RB's (generally) are on downside. the new NFL math will be run the RB in ground for 5 years -- toss em.
If I were Bell I would take all the guaranteed money I could, and if I'm still viable in 3 years ,sit out or demand trade after I got my guarantee.
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he may be betting on himself, but RB's are a penny a dozen . Look at the NO & KC rookie Rb's, 3rd round guys.
Pitt realizes his time is short, and they're not gonna give him top dollar.
Brutal business, but reality is reality. he is in in twilight of career.
I don’t agree with this at all, this isn’t the 2010 NFL, the running game is coming back and there’s only a few guys with Bells skill set. People keep referring to these mid round RBs like it’s a given or easy to do...it isn’t. I also don’t think he’s just an RB which is what the contract dispute is over. Pitt absolutely wants to keep him, but they want to pay him as the top RB. Prpblem is he’s the top RB but also a top pass catcher so the value isn’t there for him.
All that said, I don't think he's going to get a better offer next year from any team. Running backs may not be a dime a dozen, but teams have figured out by now that overpaying for a middle aged running back(by NFL standards), is just bad business.
the problem is - there is a Bell every year. last year the NO & KC RB's . This year -Barkley & who knows what 3rd round er will emerge.
Unfortunately, by 27 RB's (generally) are on downside. the new NFL math will be run the RB in ground for 5 years -- toss em.
If I were Bell I would take all the guaranteed money I could, and if I'm still viable in 3 years ,sit out or demand trade after I got my guarantee.
I don’t see that as a problem. Those RBs don’t have the success he’s had and there’s no guarantee they will hold up like him. It’s also a fraction of the RBs in the NFL being used in your example - 25+ teams aren’t KC or New Orleans. The giants have failed miserably at RB for a decade, for example.
And again, I can’t overstate this enough, he isn’t a running back in todays NFL, he’s much more.
at really not taking big hits but the offer was a good one
IMO . Thats a lot of money .
30M is a lot of money. There are 100 factors working against you as a player to kick you out of the league: mental, physical, neurological and social.
Signing that contract would have given him the (I hesitate to use the word) freedom for him and his family for a long time.
I hope he gets as much as he can, but the NFL is dangerous and risky. That was a lot of money for an RB to turn down.
Babe Ruth would had the first 1 billion contract if he played today...10 years 100 million a year not including advertising.
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2013: 13 games, 244 attempts, 45 catches, over 22 touches per game
2014: 16 games, 290 attempts, 83 catches, over 23 touches per game
2015: 6 games, 113 attempts, 24 catches, just under 23 touches per game
2016: 12 games, 261 attempts, 75 catches, 28 touches per game
2017: 15 games, 321 attempts, 85 catches, just over 27 touches per game
He is currently 26 years old. He has a ton of mileage on him. That isn't even counting all the blitz pickups he has endured. He has been suspended before. This contract would have taken him through the age of 30. RBs really start to hit the wall before 30 if I remember correctly. Another year of wear and tear on him and he will not see a 5 year contract with an average of 14 mil per year. He would have guaranteed 30 mil over the next two years. That is more than the franchise tag if I am not mistaken. IMO, he is crazy if he thinks he is getting a better deal than that. This isn't a Cousins situation where he knew he'd get more money once he became a FA. This is a RB whose best years may have already been played. Remember DeMarco Murray with the Cowboys? The knew he was only going to be there for one more year and they ran him into the ground. Nobody really wanted him after that. I can see PIT doing the same with Bell. They have him for one year so they are going to abuse him.
...abuse him; especially since he has been a FO pain by not 'playing nice'.
Next man up...especially if you build your OL well(enough).
That's pretty sick, suggesting a team abuse their player.
But a player who players a position that is largely fungible. And that's because of this moronic cap system the idiotic union, the worst union on the planet, agreed to...Pittsburgh has more than enough talent to succeed with Bell when he leaves.
Let him sign for big bucks with Balt or Cle next year and see what the Pitt faithful think of him thoughout retirement.
Yeah I don’t know why I thought there was a knee injury
Not dumb at all with the details of the deal.
Mentioned yesterday the #Steelers final offer to RB Le’Veon Bell was 5 years, $70M. More context today: The fully guaranteed part was his signing bonus of just over $10M. He would’ve made $33M over the 1st two years — in a rolling guaranteed structure. $45M over the 1st 3 years.
The franchise tag is $14.7m fully guaranteed right now. The 5 year deal only contained $10m fully guaranteed. Would you take $4.7 million dollars less on a non-guaranteed deal?
Did you see the post above yours? If that information is correct, why would he sign that deal? The only thing that matters is the guaranteed money. So let’s say he injured himself seriously this season now, he’s still getting $14.5 million. If he signed the extension and injures himself seriously this year, he’d have gotten $10 Million. That’s it. So he can play this season and make $14.5 Million and if he comes out healthy, sign a longer term deal next off season. Seems like a no brained to reject that offer to me. Again, the only thing that matters is the guaranteed money. What benefit is there for him to sign an extension that offers less guaranteed money than what he’s going to make on the tag?
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I would have taken the deal, but he must think he can get more. Time will tell.
Did you see the post above yours? If that information is correct, why would he sign that deal? The only thing that matters is the guaranteed money. So let’s say he injured himself seriously this season now, he’s still getting $14.5 million. If he signed the extension and injures himself seriously this year, he’d have gotten $10 Million. That’s it. So he can play this season and make $14.5 Million and if he comes out healthy, sign a longer term deal next off season. Seems like a no brained to reject that offer to me. Again, the only thing that matters is the guaranteed money. What benefit is there for him to sign an extension that offers less guaranteed money than what he’s going to make on the tag?
If the above is correct it’s a brutal offer. I don’t know how anyone can say they’d take that. Forget not even being in the situation and not really knowing what you’d do in his shoes, simple math says you don’t even bother returning that call.
He’s going to get paid next year.
He could have gotten paid this year. How much more money does he think he is going to get? He is going to be 27 years old the next time they talk about this .... and God forbid he gets hurt.
You should really read through the thread before posting. You could learn something
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again, he isn’t just a running back. That’s the crux of this entire debate and his negotiation. He Pitt offer was “cheap” compared to what he’d get in FA. So if he takes the $14 million now and gets another $25 million guaranteed (conservatively) in his next contract, he wins and wins big. That’s a $10 million net positive factoring in that I even lowered the Pitt guaranteed offer by $5 million.
He’s going to get paid next year.
He could have gotten paid this year. How much more money does he think he is going to get? He is going to be 27 years old the next time they talk about this .... and God forbid he gets hurt.
I’m not sure you understand the scenario. Being tagged twice gives him a shitload of guaranteed money this year and keeps him in play for yet another guaranteed payday in 12 months or less. All said and done he can net around $40mm guaranteed over the next 12 months. So why take Pitts shitty offer?
It’s been said over and over. He’s got a ton of tread on those tires. Good luck to him but he and his agent are delusional. He’s also going to skip training camp. So he won’t be ready for the start of the season. Hurts his stats imo. He will be rusty just like he was at the beginning of last year.
I get him not wanting to get injured but he better watch out. Pitt has some younger backs who May start producing. That happens he’s going to get less touches. Teams are not going to shell out 45 million guaarantess for 27 year old RBs will all those touches.
There are many issues, one thing will be rookie contracts.....they will fight for the end of 4th and 5th year options.....
The rookies got screwed in the last CBA by the veteran mindset of the established players.....this new generation of players will remember this, and try to make the changes....
(i) the average of the five largest 2018 Salaries for quarterbacks;
(ii) 120% of the average of the five largest 2018 Salaries for kickers; or
(iii) 144% of the player’s own 2018 Salary.
So the $20 Million number is a floor and may be higher based on how many QBs sign new deals this year.
I think the young man just made a horrendous bet on himself. He won't get tagged again and he may not get $30 million guaranteed at age 27.
He's not an idiot or leaving anything on the table.
When he signs a deal with 25M guaranteed next off-season let's see how stupid he is.
(i) the average of the five largest 2018 Salaries for quarterbacks;
(ii) 120% of the average of the five largest 2018 Salaries for kickers; or
(iii) 144% of the player’s own 2018 Salary.
So the $20 Million number is a floor and may be higher based on how many QBs sign new deals this year.
I think the young man just made a horrendous bet on himself. He won't get tagged again and he may not get $30 million guaranteed at age 27.
But the contract he was offered had less guaranteed than he’s getting his season, soooooo......
The Steelers leaked the contract offer to make it appear that they offered Bell a great deal but he was too greedy. It is now reported that the 5 year 70 million dollar contract had only $10 million guaranteed. Bell is guaranteed $14.5 million by signing the franchise tag.