He is either delusional or is getting bad representation. Every year that goes by is like dog years for a RB. Does he really think he is getting a better offer next year in FA?
This is my thought process. How many teams really believe in the one back offense any more? Very few. No team that uses multiple RBs is going to give a out a crazy contract like the one that PIT offered. So, of those teams that believe in the one back offense and not a RBBC who has the cap room? Who has a need? When you start looking at it that way the list gets pretty small.
and he’s already getting half that guaranteed money this year on the tag so I get why he declined it. $14.5 guaranteed this year plus another $25-$30 million guaranteed in his next contract is a whole new ballgame which I’m sure is his goal.
2013: 13 games, 244 attempts, 45 catches, over 22 touches per game
2014: 16 games, 290 attempts, 83 catches, over 23 touches per game
2015: 6 games, 113 attempts, 24 catches, just under 23 touches per game
2016: 12 games, 261 attempts, 75 catches, 28 touches per game
2017: 15 games, 321 attempts, 85 catches, just over 27 touches per game
He is currently 26 years old. He has a ton of mileage on him. That isn't even counting all the blitz pickups he has endured. He has been suspended before. This contract would have taken him through the age of 30. RBs really start to hit the wall before 30 if I remember correctly. Another year of wear and tear on him and he will not see a 5 year contract with an average of 14 mil per year. He would have guaranteed 30 mil over the next two years. That is more than the franchise tag if I am not mistaken. IMO, he is crazy if he thinks he is getting a better deal than that. This isn't a Cousins situation where he knew he'd get more money once he became a FA. This is a RB whose best years may have already been played. Remember DeMarco Murray with the Cowboys? The knew he was only going to be there for one more year and they ran him into the ground. Nobody really wanted him after that. I can see PIT doing the same with Bell. They have him for one year so they are going to abuse him.
2013: 13 games, 244 attempts, 45 catches, over 22 touches per game
2014: 16 games, 290 attempts, 83 catches, over 23 touches per game
2015: 6 games, 113 attempts, 24 catches, just under 23 touches per game
2016: 12 games, 261 attempts, 75 catches, 28 touches per game
2017: 15 games, 321 attempts, 85 catches, just over 27 touches per game
He is currently 26 years old. He has a ton of mileage on him. That isn't even counting all the blitz pickups he has endured. He has been suspended before. This contract would have taken him through the age of 30. RBs really start to hit the wall before 30 if I remember correctly. Another year of wear and tear on him and he will not see a 5 year contract with an average of 14 mil per year. He would have guaranteed 30 mil over the next two years. That is more than the franchise tag if I am not mistaken. IMO, he is crazy if he thinks he is getting a better deal than that. This isn't a Cousins situation where he knew he'd get more money once he became a FA. This is a RB whose best years may have already been played. Remember DeMarco Murray with the Cowboys? The knew he was only going to be there for one more year and they ran him into the ground. Nobody really wanted him after that. I can see PIT doing the same with Bell. They have him for one year so they are going to abuse him.
...abuse him; especially since he has been a FO pain by not 'playing nice'.
Next man up...especially if you build your OL well(enough).
again. If he were to get tagged again, Pittsburg would be forced to pay him an average salary of the top 5 QBs. Thus giving him more money upfront this year.
again. If he were to get tagged again, Pittsburg would be forced to pay him an average salary of the top 5 QBs. Thus giving him more money upfront this year.
Why would that be? Players want security. If the Steelers tag Bell next year that number is supposed to be around $17.45 million. The tag this year is $14.544 million. Add those two up and you get $31.994 million with nothing after that. Why risk $30 million now for $31.994 million tomorrow? If he suffers an injury he is not seeing that $17.45 million next year. In fact, I truly doubt PIT has any intention of spending that amount on a RB so I don't see how Bell is forcing them to tag him again. He wants a long term deal. He wouldn't be negotiating a long term deal if he didn't want one. Look at Cousins. He wanted to play on the franchise tag and accepted it. He wasn't negotiating anything. That was totally different than this.
It's a hell of a lot better to get that 30 million in one year Â
He's trying get as much money now as he possibly can. An RB's shelf life is to short. He could miss out on some of that 30 mil if he gets hurt and then ultimately cut.
and he’s already getting half that guaranteed money this year on the tag so I get why he declined it. $14.5 guaranteed this year plus another $25-$30 million guaranteed in his next contract is a whole new ballgame which I’m sure is his goal.
Agreed. They cheap skated him. Offered less than the franchise tag as the average salary too.
Also the tag number appenrtly shifts to QB money Â
if he gets tagged again so RB averages will no longer factor in.
I read this:
[qutote]If the Steelers gave Bell the franchise tag a third time, he’d be due $17.45 million in 2019 — a number that the team will likely deem unreasonable. And given the inability of Bell and Pittsburgh to agree to a contract over the last two years, it would be shocking if they finally managed to bridge the gap next spring with free agency looming.[/quote] Link - ( New Window )
If my math is right then that $17.45 number is incorrect. Â
The rule for tagging a player 3 times is 144% of the previous year's salary. If he is making $14.544 million this year then 144% of that is $20.94336 million. Yep, no way PIT tags him at that number.
against picking Barkley simply because he's a RB, but if you want the best value at that position, take the stud RB in the draft and then let some team overpay for a back about to hit a wall in the next contract.
Very few RB's today get a big payday in the 2nd contract and are able to live up to it.
against picking Barkley simply because he's a RB, but if you want the best value at that position, take the stud RB in the draft and then let some team overpay for a back about to hit a wall in the next contract.
Very few RB's today get a big payday in the 2nd contract and are able to live up to it.
We are still overpaying when you guys like Kareem Hunt are leading the league in rushing after being drafted in the 3rd round. They still get their money eventually, but their price tag in the first few years is minuscule compared to RBs picked in the top half of the draft.
RE: RE: Also the tag number appenrtly shifts to QB money Â
if he gets tagged again so RB averages will no longer factor in.
I read this:
[qutote]If the Steelers gave Bell the franchise tag a third time, he’d be due $17.45 million in 2019 — a number that the team will likely deem unreasonable. And given the inability of Bell and Pittsburgh to agree to a contract over the last two years, it would be shocking if they finally managed to bridge the gap next spring with free agency looming.
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I’ve seen that reported as well while also reading and hearing that a player will go to the top overall contract averages if they are tagged 3 times. Depending on which is correct it’s a huge difference of likely $10 million.
against picking Barkley simply because he's a RB, but if you want the best value at that position, take the stud RB in the draft and then let some team overpay for a back about to hit a wall in the next contract.
Very few RB's today get a big payday in the 2nd contract and are able to live up to it.
We are still overpaying when you guys like Kareem Hunt are leading the league in rushing after being drafted in the 3rd round. They still get their money eventually, but their price tag in the first few years is minuscule compared to RBs picked in the top half of the draft.
Ehh, Hunt was a diamond in the rough, so was Kamara. You can’t really plan for that and even then they’d have to do it for 4 or 5 years to really prove how “cheap” they are compared to defying a RB higher.
It should come as no shock that NFL players are terrible Â
I don’t want to sound like a hater, but man are sports contracts getting insane. I mean more power to these guys for trying to get what they can, but honestly, how much money do you need? I mean one year on the tag, invest well, and you could take care of your family for generations. Football pales in comparison to other sports though. When I see guys like JJ Redick making $20M plus in the NBA it makes me nauseous.
You aren’t in the position, you may disagree but I wouldn’t call him a dumb fuck. He’s betting on himself, which I think should be looked upon as a positive. Not many players have the balls to do that. We will find out soon how smart or dumb he is.
You aren’t in the position, you may disagree but I wouldn’t call him a dumb fuck. He’s betting on himself, which I think should be looked upon as a positive. Not many players have the balls to do that. We will find out soon how smart or dumb he is.
It’s not really about betting on himself. It’s about how these teams value the position these days. They just aren’t going to spend that kind of money on the position in free agency. But he’ll see
Was it $30M guaranteed for just 2 years or $45M guaranteed for 3 years.
If it was just $30M for 2 year, I can see Bell turning that down. He'd be betting on himself and would automatically get that amount and more if he stays healthy this year.
If it was $45M for 3 years, than I think he made a mistake. To get that security of that guaranteed money vs the risk of injury and heavy workload should be a real issue.
Plus I think the Steelers would use him differently and be conscious of the wear and tear on his body if they had him locked up for a minimum of 3 years. They're not going to abuse his workload for one year and have him be a shell of his former self in 2019 and 2020 with them still on the hook to pay him $15M per year.
You aren’t in the position, you may disagree but I wouldn’t call him a dumb fuck. He’s betting on himself, which I think should be looked upon as a positive. Not many players have the balls to do that. We will find out soon how smart or dumb he is.
It’s not really about betting on himself. It’s about how these teams value the position these days. They just aren’t going to spend that kind of money on the position in free agency. But he’ll see
I think he’s aware. I’m just not interested in counting other people money. He obviously feels like $14mm + what he thinks he can get in FA is worth the risk. There’s also other teams out there that can very well increase his usage at WR and limit his carries, thus increasing his shelf life. I’m guessing the interest in him next offseason, barring injury, will be massive.
is guaranteed even if he gets hurt. But I don't know why he would turn down 30 guaranteed. If he gets hurt, they won't franchise him next year and might not anyway.
he may be betting on himself, but RB's are a penny a dozen . Look at the NO & KC rookie Rb's, 3rd round guys.
Pitt realizes his time is short, and they're not gonna give him top dollar.
Brutal business, but reality is reality. he is in in twilight of career.
he may be betting on himself, but RB's are a penny a dozen . Look at the NO & KC rookie Rb's, 3rd round guys.
Pitt realizes his time is short, and they're not gonna give him top dollar.
Brutal business, but reality is reality. he is in in twilight of career.
I don’t agree with this at all, this isn’t the 2010 NFL, the running game is coming back and there’s only a few guys with Bells skill set. People keep referring to these mid round RBs like it’s a given or easy to do...it isn’t. I also don’t think he’s just an RB which is what the contract dispute is over. Pitt absolutely wants to keep him, but they want to pay him as the top RB. Prpblem is he’s the top RB but also a top pass catcher so the value isn’t there for him.
he may be betting on himself, but RB's are a penny a dozen . Look at the NO & KC rookie Rb's, 3rd round guys.
Pitt realizes his time is short, and they're not gonna give him top dollar.
Brutal business, but reality is reality. he is in in twilight of career.
I don’t agree with this at all, this isn’t the 2010 NFL, the running game is coming back and there’s only a few guys with Bells skill set. People keep referring to these mid round RBs like it’s a given or easy to do...it isn’t. I also don’t think he’s just an RB which is what the contract dispute is over. Pitt absolutely wants to keep him, but they want to pay him as the top RB. Prpblem is he’s the top RB but also a top pass catcher so the value isn’t there for him.
All that said, I don't think he's going to get a better offer next year from any team. Running backs may not be a dime a dozen, but teams have figured out by now that overpaying for a middle aged running back(by NFL standards), is just bad business.
Assuming he doesn’t get injured I don’t think that’s true Â
again, he isn’t just a running back. That’s the crux of this entire debate and his negotiation. He Pitt offer was “cheap” compared to what he’d get in FA. So if he takes the $14 million now and gets another $25 million guaranteed (conservatively) in his next contract, he wins and wins big. That’s a $10 million net positive factoring in that I even lowered the Pitt guaranteed offer by $5 million.
There's really no question it was a tough but pretty straight forward decision. Pitt needed to offer 40 guar to make it even close to attractive. As, he'll easily gett 30 mill guar next year, meaning he's have netted his whole tag by waiting.
Jerick McKinnon got 18 mill in guarantees after a decent half a year. Bell is 10x the player McKinnon is. He'll get at least 30 if not 40 in guarantees next year if he continues to play like he has and no crazy injury derails him. And even then, it'd take a big injury to prevent some team from ponying up for him.
he may be betting on himself, but RB's are a penny a dozen . Look at the NO & KC rookie Rb's, 3rd round guys.
Pitt realizes his time is short, and they're not gonna give him top dollar.
Brutal business, but reality is reality. he is in in twilight of career.
I don’t agree with this at all, this isn’t the 2010 NFL, the running game is coming back and there’s only a few guys with Bells skill set. People keep referring to these mid round RBs like it’s a given or easy to do...it isn’t. I also don’t think he’s just an RB which is what the contract dispute is over. Pitt absolutely wants to keep him, but they want to pay him as the top RB. Prpblem is he’s the top RB but also a top pass catcher so the value isn’t there for him.
All that said, I don't think he's going to get a better offer next year from any team. Running backs may not be a dime a dozen, but teams have figured out by now that overpaying for a middle aged running back(by NFL standards), is just bad business.
the problem is - there is a Bell every year. last year the NO & KC RB's . This year -Barkley & who knows what 3rd round er will emerge.
Unfortunately, by 27 RB's (generally) are on downside. the new NFL math will be run the RB in ground for 5 years -- toss em.
If I were Bell I would take all the guaranteed money I could, and if I'm still viable in 3 years ,sit out or demand trade after I got my guarantee.
For a number of teams. The Jets or the Bills would be perfect fits. They can both afford to spend so extra on the offensive side of the ball with their rookie QB being on rookie contracts. Both could use offensive playmakers as well for those rookie QBs.
he may be betting on himself, but RB's are a penny a dozen . Look at the NO & KC rookie Rb's, 3rd round guys.
Pitt realizes his time is short, and they're not gonna give him top dollar.
Brutal business, but reality is reality. he is in in twilight of career.
I don’t agree with this at all, this isn’t the 2010 NFL, the running game is coming back and there’s only a few guys with Bells skill set. People keep referring to these mid round RBs like it’s a given or easy to do...it isn’t. I also don’t think he’s just an RB which is what the contract dispute is over. Pitt absolutely wants to keep him, but they want to pay him as the top RB. Prpblem is he’s the top RB but also a top pass catcher so the value isn’t there for him.
All that said, I don't think he's going to get a better offer next year from any team. Running backs may not be a dime a dozen, but teams have figured out by now that overpaying for a middle aged running back(by NFL standards), is just bad business.
the problem is - there is a Bell every year. last year the NO & KC RB's . This year -Barkley & who knows what 3rd round er will emerge.
Unfortunately, by 27 RB's (generally) are on downside. the new NFL math will be run the RB in ground for 5 years -- toss em.
If I were Bell I would take all the guaranteed money I could, and if I'm still viable in 3 years ,sit out or demand trade after I got my guarantee.
I don’t see that as a problem. Those RBs don’t have the success he’s had and there’s no guarantee they will hold up like him. It’s also a fraction of the RBs in the NFL being used in your example - 25+ teams aren’t KC or New Orleans. The giants have failed miserably at RB for a decade, for example.
And again, I can’t overstate this enough, he isn’t a running back in todays NFL, he’s much more.
Especially for RBs, who are here today and gone tomorrow.
30M is a lot of money. There are 100 factors working against you as a player to kick you out of the league: mental, physical, neurological and social.
Signing that contract would have given him the (I hesitate to use the word) freedom for him and his family for a long time.
I hope he gets as much as he can, but the NFL is dangerous and risky. That was a lot of money for an RB to turn down.
I think baseball is the number one sport for ovepaying Â
and is going to get a big contract. I really think you guys need to see that the NFL is evolving like it always does every 5-10 years. I was a huge proponent in getting cheap guys to fit the bill but that is now outdated. You will continue to see RBs value increase in the coming years. Ones that are elite pass catchers will fare ever better.
2013: 13 games, 244 attempts, 45 catches, over 22 touches per game
2014: 16 games, 290 attempts, 83 catches, over 23 touches per game
2015: 6 games, 113 attempts, 24 catches, just under 23 touches per game
2016: 12 games, 261 attempts, 75 catches, 28 touches per game
2017: 15 games, 321 attempts, 85 catches, just over 27 touches per game
He is currently 26 years old. He has a ton of mileage on him. That isn't even counting all the blitz pickups he has endured. He has been suspended before. This contract would have taken him through the age of 30. RBs really start to hit the wall before 30 if I remember correctly. Another year of wear and tear on him and he will not see a 5 year contract with an average of 14 mil per year. He would have guaranteed 30 mil over the next two years. That is more than the franchise tag if I am not mistaken. IMO, he is crazy if he thinks he is getting a better deal than that. This isn't a Cousins situation where he knew he'd get more money once he became a FA. This is a RB whose best years may have already been played. Remember DeMarco Murray with the Cowboys? The knew he was only going to be there for one more year and they ran him into the ground. Nobody really wanted him after that. I can see PIT doing the same with Bell. They have him for one year so they are going to abuse him.
...abuse him; especially since he has been a FO pain by not 'playing nice'.
Next man up...especially if you build your OL well(enough).
That's pretty sick, suggesting a team abuse their player.
A very unique player with off the charts skills. I love watching him play as much as anyone currently in the league.
But a player who players a position that is largely fungible. And that's because of this moronic cap system the idiotic union, the worst union on the planet, agreed to...Pittsburgh has more than enough talent to succeed with Bell when he leaves.
One if the things that never send to get factored into the equation in these discussions is the value that comes from staying with one franchise for an entire career. I think there has to be a way to get more money if you can make it to your team's ring of honor over a lifetime than the few millions you lose by turning down a contract opportunity like this.
Let him sign for big bucks with Balt or Cle next year and see what the Pitt faithful think of him thoughout retirement.
in exchange would have a clause in the contract which would allow the team to claw back signing bonus dollars and possibly adjust other areas of the contract if Bell gets another substance suspension.
Mentioned yesterday the #Steelers final offer to RB Le’Veon Bell was 5 years, $70M. More context today: The fully guaranteed part was his signing bonus of just over $10M. He would’ve made $33M over the 1st two years — in a rolling guaranteed structure. $45M over the 1st 3 years.
The franchise tag is $14.7m fully guaranteed right now. The 5 year deal only contained $10m fully guaranteed. Would you take $4.7 million dollars less on a non-guaranteed deal?
This is my thought process. How many teams really believe in the one back offense any more? Very few. No team that uses multiple RBs is going to give a out a crazy contract like the one that PIT offered. So, of those teams that believe in the one back offense and not a RBBC who has the cap room? Who has a need? When you start looking at it that way the list gets pretty small.
2014: 16 games, 290 attempts, 83 catches, over 23 touches per game
2015: 6 games, 113 attempts, 24 catches, just under 23 touches per game
2016: 12 games, 261 attempts, 75 catches, 28 touches per game
2017: 15 games, 321 attempts, 85 catches, just over 27 touches per game
He is currently 26 years old. He has a ton of mileage on him. That isn't even counting all the blitz pickups he has endured. He has been suspended before. This contract would have taken him through the age of 30. RBs really start to hit the wall before 30 if I remember correctly. Another year of wear and tear on him and he will not see a 5 year contract with an average of 14 mil per year. He would have guaranteed 30 mil over the next two years. That is more than the franchise tag if I am not mistaken. IMO, he is crazy if he thinks he is getting a better deal than that. This isn't a Cousins situation where he knew he'd get more money once he became a FA. This is a RB whose best years may have already been played. Remember DeMarco Murray with the Cowboys? The knew he was only going to be there for one more year and they ran him into the ground. Nobody really wanted him after that. I can see PIT doing the same with Bell. They have him for one year so they are going to abuse him.
2014: 16 games, 290 attempts, 83 catches, over 23 touches per game
2015: 6 games, 113 attempts, 24 catches, just under 23 touches per game
2016: 12 games, 261 attempts, 75 catches, 28 touches per game
2017: 15 games, 321 attempts, 85 catches, just over 27 touches per game
He is currently 26 years old. He has a ton of mileage on him. That isn't even counting all the blitz pickups he has endured. He has been suspended before. This contract would have taken him through the age of 30. RBs really start to hit the wall before 30 if I remember correctly. Another year of wear and tear on him and he will not see a 5 year contract with an average of 14 mil per year. He would have guaranteed 30 mil over the next two years. That is more than the franchise tag if I am not mistaken. IMO, he is crazy if he thinks he is getting a better deal than that. This isn't a Cousins situation where he knew he'd get more money once he became a FA. This is a RB whose best years may have already been played. Remember DeMarco Murray with the Cowboys? The knew he was only going to be there for one more year and they ran him into the ground. Nobody really wanted him after that. I can see PIT doing the same with Bell. They have him for one year so they are going to abuse him.
...abuse him; especially since he has been a FO pain by not 'playing nice'.
Next man up...especially if you build your OL well(enough).
Why would that be? Players want security. If the Steelers tag Bell next year that number is supposed to be around $17.45 million. The tag this year is $14.544 million. Add those two up and you get $31.994 million with nothing after that. Why risk $30 million now for $31.994 million tomorrow? If he suffers an injury he is not seeing that $17.45 million next year. In fact, I truly doubt PIT has any intention of spending that amount on a RB so I don't see how Bell is forcing them to tag him again. He wants a long term deal. He wouldn't be negotiating a long term deal if he didn't want one. Look at Cousins. He wanted to play on the franchise tag and accepted it. He wasn't negotiating anything. That was totally different than this.
He's trying get as much money now as he possibly can. An RB's shelf life is to short. He could miss out on some of that 30 mil if he gets hurt and then ultimately cut.
And his playstyle isn’t reflected in those touch numbers. He’s about as good at avoiding big hits as you will ever see out of a RB.
Agreed. They cheap skated him. Offered less than the franchise tag as the average salary too.
If he tears an ACL this year there is no way he is making big bucks next. He will have to work on a "prove-it" deal.
He wants to get paid as a player and not as a RB. Let's hope he never signs a huge deal, this will F-us when we try to re-sign Barkley.
I read this:
[qutote]If the Steelers gave Bell the franchise tag a third time, he’d be due $17.45 million in 2019 — a number that the team will likely deem unreasonable. And given the inability of Bell and Pittsburgh to agree to a contract over the last two years, it would be shocking if they finally managed to bridge the gap next spring with free agency looming.[/quote]
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Very few RB's today get a big payday in the 2nd contract and are able to live up to it.
Very few RB's today get a big payday in the 2nd contract and are able to live up to it.
We are still overpaying when you guys like Kareem Hunt are leading the league in rushing after being drafted in the 3rd round. They still get their money eventually, but their price tag in the first few years is minuscule compared to RBs picked in the top half of the draft.
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if he gets tagged again so RB averages will no longer factor in.
I read this:
[qutote]If the Steelers gave Bell the franchise tag a third time, he’d be due $17.45 million in 2019 — a number that the team will likely deem unreasonable. And given the inability of Bell and Pittsburgh to agree to a contract over the last two years, it would be shocking if they finally managed to bridge the gap next spring with free agency looming.
I’ve seen that reported as well while also reading and hearing that a player will go to the top overall contract averages if they are tagged 3 times. Depending on which is correct it’s a huge difference of likely $10 million.
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against picking Barkley simply because he's a RB, but if you want the best value at that position, take the stud RB in the draft and then let some team overpay for a back about to hit a wall in the next contract.
Very few RB's today get a big payday in the 2nd contract and are able to live up to it.
We are still overpaying when you guys like Kareem Hunt are leading the league in rushing after being drafted in the 3rd round. They still get their money eventually, but their price tag in the first few years is minuscule compared to RBs picked in the top half of the draft.
Ehh, Hunt was a diamond in the rough, so was Kamara. You can’t really plan for that and even then they’d have to do it for 4 or 5 years to really prove how “cheap” they are compared to defying a RB higher.
You aren’t in the position, you may disagree but I wouldn’t call him a dumb fuck. He’s betting on himself, which I think should be looked upon as a positive. Not many players have the balls to do that. We will find out soon how smart or dumb he is.
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To turn that down. Dumb as fuck actually.
You aren’t in the position, you may disagree but I wouldn’t call him a dumb fuck. He’s betting on himself, which I think should be looked upon as a positive. Not many players have the balls to do that. We will find out soon how smart or dumb he is.
It’s not really about betting on himself. It’s about how these teams value the position these days. They just aren’t going to spend that kind of money on the position in free agency. But he’ll see
If it was just $30M for 2 year, I can see Bell turning that down. He'd be betting on himself and would automatically get that amount and more if he stays healthy this year.
If it was $45M for 3 years, than I think he made a mistake. To get that security of that guaranteed money vs the risk of injury and heavy workload should be a real issue.
Plus I think the Steelers would use him differently and be conscious of the wear and tear on his body if they had him locked up for a minimum of 3 years. They're not going to abuse his workload for one year and have him be a shell of his former self in 2019 and 2020 with them still on the hook to pay him $15M per year.
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To turn that down. Dumb as fuck actually.
You aren’t in the position, you may disagree but I wouldn’t call him a dumb fuck. He’s betting on himself, which I think should be looked upon as a positive. Not many players have the balls to do that. We will find out soon how smart or dumb he is.
It’s not really about betting on himself. It’s about how these teams value the position these days. They just aren’t going to spend that kind of money on the position in free agency. But he’ll see
I think he’s aware. I’m just not interested in counting other people money. He obviously feels like $14mm + what he thinks he can get in FA is worth the risk. There’s also other teams out there that can very well increase his usage at WR and limit his carries, thus increasing his shelf life. I’m guessing the interest in him next offseason, barring injury, will be massive.
These things rarely make sense to me.
Pitt realizes his time is short, and they're not gonna give him top dollar.
Brutal business, but reality is reality. he is in in twilight of career.
Pitt realizes his time is short, and they're not gonna give him top dollar.
Brutal business, but reality is reality. he is in in twilight of career.
I don’t agree with this at all, this isn’t the 2010 NFL, the running game is coming back and there’s only a few guys with Bells skill set. People keep referring to these mid round RBs like it’s a given or easy to do...it isn’t. I also don’t think he’s just an RB which is what the contract dispute is over. Pitt absolutely wants to keep him, but they want to pay him as the top RB. Prpblem is he’s the top RB but also a top pass catcher so the value isn’t there for him.
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he may be betting on himself, but RB's are a penny a dozen . Look at the NO & KC rookie Rb's, 3rd round guys.
Pitt realizes his time is short, and they're not gonna give him top dollar.
Brutal business, but reality is reality. he is in in twilight of career.
I don’t agree with this at all, this isn’t the 2010 NFL, the running game is coming back and there’s only a few guys with Bells skill set. People keep referring to these mid round RBs like it’s a given or easy to do...it isn’t. I also don’t think he’s just an RB which is what the contract dispute is over. Pitt absolutely wants to keep him, but they want to pay him as the top RB. Prpblem is he’s the top RB but also a top pass catcher so the value isn’t there for him.
All that said, I don't think he's going to get a better offer next year from any team. Running backs may not be a dime a dozen, but teams have figured out by now that overpaying for a middle aged running back(by NFL standards), is just bad business.
He’s going to get paid next year.
Jerick McKinnon got 18 mill in guarantees after a decent half a year. Bell is 10x the player McKinnon is. He'll get at least 30 if not 40 in guarantees next year if he continues to play like he has and no crazy injury derails him. And even then, it'd take a big injury to prevent some team from ponying up for him.
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he may be betting on himself, but RB's are a penny a dozen . Look at the NO & KC rookie Rb's, 3rd round guys.
Pitt realizes his time is short, and they're not gonna give him top dollar.
Brutal business, but reality is reality. he is in in twilight of career.
I don’t agree with this at all, this isn’t the 2010 NFL, the running game is coming back and there’s only a few guys with Bells skill set. People keep referring to these mid round RBs like it’s a given or easy to do...it isn’t. I also don’t think he’s just an RB which is what the contract dispute is over. Pitt absolutely wants to keep him, but they want to pay him as the top RB. Prpblem is he’s the top RB but also a top pass catcher so the value isn’t there for him.
All that said, I don't think he's going to get a better offer next year from any team. Running backs may not be a dime a dozen, but teams have figured out by now that overpaying for a middle aged running back(by NFL standards), is just bad business.
the problem is - there is a Bell every year. last year the NO & KC RB's . This year -Barkley & who knows what 3rd round er will emerge.
Unfortunately, by 27 RB's (generally) are on downside. the new NFL math will be run the RB in ground for 5 years -- toss em.
If I were Bell I would take all the guaranteed money I could, and if I'm still viable in 3 years ,sit out or demand trade after I got my guarantee.
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In comment 14014915 UConn4523 said:
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In comment 14014910 Giantslifer said:
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he may be betting on himself, but RB's are a penny a dozen . Look at the NO & KC rookie Rb's, 3rd round guys.
Pitt realizes his time is short, and they're not gonna give him top dollar.
Brutal business, but reality is reality. he is in in twilight of career.
I don’t agree with this at all, this isn’t the 2010 NFL, the running game is coming back and there’s only a few guys with Bells skill set. People keep referring to these mid round RBs like it’s a given or easy to do...it isn’t. I also don’t think he’s just an RB which is what the contract dispute is over. Pitt absolutely wants to keep him, but they want to pay him as the top RB. Prpblem is he’s the top RB but also a top pass catcher so the value isn’t there for him.
All that said, I don't think he's going to get a better offer next year from any team. Running backs may not be a dime a dozen, but teams have figured out by now that overpaying for a middle aged running back(by NFL standards), is just bad business.
the problem is - there is a Bell every year. last year the NO & KC RB's . This year -Barkley & who knows what 3rd round er will emerge.
Unfortunately, by 27 RB's (generally) are on downside. the new NFL math will be run the RB in ground for 5 years -- toss em.
If I were Bell I would take all the guaranteed money I could, and if I'm still viable in 3 years ,sit out or demand trade after I got my guarantee.
I don’t see that as a problem. Those RBs don’t have the success he’s had and there’s no guarantee they will hold up like him. It’s also a fraction of the RBs in the NFL being used in your example - 25+ teams aren’t KC or New Orleans. The giants have failed miserably at RB for a decade, for example.
And again, I can’t overstate this enough, he isn’t a running back in todays NFL, he’s much more.
at really not taking big hits but the offer was a good one
IMO . Thats a lot of money .
30M is a lot of money. There are 100 factors working against you as a player to kick you out of the league: mental, physical, neurological and social.
Signing that contract would have given him the (I hesitate to use the word) freedom for him and his family for a long time.
I hope he gets as much as he can, but the NFL is dangerous and risky. That was a lot of money for an RB to turn down.
Babe Ruth would had the first 1 billion contract if he played today...10 years 100 million a year not including advertising.
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2013: 13 games, 244 attempts, 45 catches, over 22 touches per game
2014: 16 games, 290 attempts, 83 catches, over 23 touches per game
2015: 6 games, 113 attempts, 24 catches, just under 23 touches per game
2016: 12 games, 261 attempts, 75 catches, 28 touches per game
2017: 15 games, 321 attempts, 85 catches, just over 27 touches per game
He is currently 26 years old. He has a ton of mileage on him. That isn't even counting all the blitz pickups he has endured. He has been suspended before. This contract would have taken him through the age of 30. RBs really start to hit the wall before 30 if I remember correctly. Another year of wear and tear on him and he will not see a 5 year contract with an average of 14 mil per year. He would have guaranteed 30 mil over the next two years. That is more than the franchise tag if I am not mistaken. IMO, he is crazy if he thinks he is getting a better deal than that. This isn't a Cousins situation where he knew he'd get more money once he became a FA. This is a RB whose best years may have already been played. Remember DeMarco Murray with the Cowboys? The knew he was only going to be there for one more year and they ran him into the ground. Nobody really wanted him after that. I can see PIT doing the same with Bell. They have him for one year so they are going to abuse him.
...abuse him; especially since he has been a FO pain by not 'playing nice'.
Next man up...especially if you build your OL well(enough).
That's pretty sick, suggesting a team abuse their player.
But a player who players a position that is largely fungible. And that's because of this moronic cap system the idiotic union, the worst union on the planet, agreed to...Pittsburgh has more than enough talent to succeed with Bell when he leaves.
Let him sign for big bucks with Balt or Cle next year and see what the Pitt faithful think of him thoughout retirement.
Yeah I don’t know why I thought there was a knee injury
Not dumb at all with the details of the deal.
Mentioned yesterday the #Steelers final offer to RB Le’Veon Bell was 5 years, $70M. More context today: The fully guaranteed part was his signing bonus of just over $10M. He would’ve made $33M over the 1st two years — in a rolling guaranteed structure. $45M over the 1st 3 years.
The franchise tag is $14.7m fully guaranteed right now. The 5 year deal only contained $10m fully guaranteed. Would you take $4.7 million dollars less on a non-guaranteed deal?