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NFT: Machado to Dodgers expected to be completed tomorrow

DanMetroMan : 7/17/2018 12:43 pm
The Baltimore Orioles, barring a last minute snag, will trade All-Star shortstop Manny Machado to the Los Angeles Dodgers on Wednesday, according to a baseball official with direct knowledge of the deal.

The official spoke to USA TODAY Sports on the condition of anonymity because the trade has not been finalized.
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RE: RE: Well this sucks  
Stu11 : 7/17/2018 1:01 pm : link
In comment 14014902 The_Boss said:
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In comment 14014896 Jay on the Island said:


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I was hoping that Philly would sell the farm to acquire him and lose him in free agency. There is little chance that the Dodgers will let him hit free agency.



He could sign long term. But he also could test the waters. Nobody knows at this point.

yep he's no sure bet to re-sign there. They have Seager at SS coming back next year and They like Turner at 3b.
Excellent News...  
M.S. : 7/17/2018 1:04 pm : link

...prevents Cashman from making a potentially bad trade.

Now lets get DeGrom for Andujar, Torres, Sheffield, Frazier and Florial.

{:-)
RE: Excellent News...  
DanMetroMan : 7/17/2018 1:05 pm : link
In comment 14014911 M.S. said:
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...prevents Cashman from making a potentially bad trade.

Now lets get DeGrom for Andujar, Torres, Sheffield, Frazier and Florial.

{:-)


You sir have a deal!
RE: Excellent News...  
adamg : 7/17/2018 1:07 pm : link
In comment 14014911 M.S. said:
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...prevents Cashman from making a potentially bad trade.

Now lets get DeGrom for Andujar, Torres, Sheffield, Frazier and Florial.

{:-)
Please god no.
There are very, very few players Torres would be available for  
Greg from LI : 7/17/2018 1:08 pm : link
DeGrom ain't one of them.
RE: There are very, very few players Torres would be available for  
pjcas18 : 7/17/2018 1:11 pm : link
In comment 14014916 Greg from LI said:
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DeGrom ain't one of them.


Too late MS already offered it and DMM accepted.

it's with the league now for approval.
RE: Andy  
Strahan91 : 7/17/2018 1:12 pm : link
In comment 14014906 DanMetroMan said:
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Martino reporting Sheffield was the deal breaker. Diaz and Sheffield are similar caliber prospects so I'm wondering what else is in the deal.


Apologies if I'm taking "similar" too literally but while in the same ballpark, Sheffield is a better prospect by all the top 100 prospect rankings out there. Some I'd characterize as calling him much better (Keith Law had Sheffield as a top 40 guy while Diaz wasn't in his top 100 for example). Plus he's a SP which is what Baltimore really needs and wanted. Abreu and Diaz are closer which I would've done for Machado but doesn't sound like the Yankees were willing to.
RE: RE: There are very, very few players Torres would be available for  
DanMetroMan : 7/17/2018 1:14 pm : link
In comment 14014918 pjcas18 said:
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DeGrom ain't one of them.



Too late MS already offered it and DMM accepted.

it's with the league now for approval.


The thought of what BBI would be like if this trade happened would be truly amazing.

1. Mets fans saying they made a bad deal
2. Mets fans loving it
3. Yankee fans saying they made a bad deal
4. Yankee fans saying the players they gave up weren't that good
5. Mets fans saying DeGrom is X old therefore...
the Orioles were always going to demand more from the Yankees  
Greg from LI : 7/17/2018 1:14 pm : link
That's just the way things are. Same reason why deGrom won't be moving crosstown.
if you removed Torres from the deal  
Greg from LI : 7/17/2018 1:16 pm : link
Then there would be a robust debate among Yankee fans as to whether it was a good deal. As stated, however, it would be universally (and rightfully) condemned.
RE: RE: Andy  
DanMetroMan : 7/17/2018 1:17 pm : link
In comment 14014919 Strahan91 said:
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Martino reporting Sheffield was the deal breaker. Diaz and Sheffield are similar caliber prospects so I'm wondering what else is in the deal.



Apologies if I'm taking "similar" too literally but while in the same ballpark, Sheffield is a better prospect by all the top 100 prospect rankings out there. Some I'd characterize as calling him much better (Keith Law had Sheffield as a top 40 guy while Diaz wasn't in his top 100 for example). Plus he's a SP which is what Baltimore really needs and wanted. Abreu and Diaz are closer which I would've done for Machado but doesn't sound like the Yankees were willing to.


? Diaz came into 2018 #73 prospect in baseball on baseball prospectus's list and has put up a .905 OPS this season, homered twice in the futures game so it's safe to say his stock is UP.

314 .428 .477

BP had Sheffield #57 coming into the year

They are similar caliber prospects
RE: if you removed Torres from the deal  
pjcas18 : 7/17/2018 1:17 pm : link
In comment 14014924 Greg from LI said:
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Then there would be a robust debate among Yankee fans as to whether it was a good deal. As stated, however, it would be universally (and rightfully) condemned.


relax, that wasn't it. The Mets were going to throw in Reyes and Jay Bruce.
Shit  
dep026 : 7/17/2018 1:18 pm : link
Felt like the Phils would be fronteunners for him.

Dodgers are going to have to really pay him because Philly is gonna offer largest contract in history of sport.
Not  
DanMetroMan : 7/17/2018 1:21 pm : link
looking to engage in some debate where I look anti-Yankee. Point is both guys are roughly the same caliber prospect. Not "blue chip" aka STUDS ala Torres before he came up or Acuna, Guerrero etc. They are in the second tier. MLBpipeline gives Diaz a 55 future grade which is above average regular, Sheffield also has a 55.

DMM  
bigbluehoya : 7/17/2018 1:26 pm : link
Its not coming off as anti-Yankee.

For the most part, you really cant just look at the number ranking in the ~25-75 range. Highly subjective. Really need to look at things like now/projected tools, overall floor/ceiling, proximity to arrival, etc.

I dont think its a stretch in the least to say that Sheff/Diaz are of the same general caliber.

RE: Not  
adamg : 7/17/2018 1:27 pm : link
In comment 14014932 DanMetroMan said:
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looking to engage in some debate where I look anti-Yankee. Point is both guys are roughly the same caliber prospect. Not "blue chip" aka STUDS ala Torres before he came up or Acuna, Guerrero etc. They are in the second tier. MLBpipeline gives Diaz a 55 future grade which is above average regular, Sheffield also has a 55.
Even if both are "second tier" I would think all things being equal the SP is the better prospect. Especially one who projects as a top of the rotation starter, compared to a starting corner outfielder.
Adam  
bigbluehoya : 7/17/2018 1:32 pm : link
Kind of a moot point, because LAD is allegedly willing to include Diaz and NYY took a hard line about not including Sheff.

So it would appear not to be a real situation of LAD choosing Diaz over Sheff, or of any supposed Yankee Tax (which I do think is an actual thing sometimes).
RE: Adam  
adamg : 7/17/2018 1:35 pm : link
In comment 14014942 bigbluehoya said:
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Kind of a moot point, because LAD is allegedly willing to include Diaz and NYY took a hard line about not including Sheff.

So it would appear not to be a real situation of LAD choosing Diaz over Sheff, or of any supposed Yankee Tax (which I do think is an actual thing sometimes).
If the Yankees did offer Sheffield, he'd clearly be the more attractive option. So, it's not a moot point at all.
RE: RE: RE: Andy  
Strahan91 : 7/17/2018 1:35 pm : link
In comment 14014925 DanMetroMan said:
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Martino reporting Sheffield was the deal breaker. Diaz and Sheffield are similar caliber prospects so I'm wondering what else is in the deal.



Apologies if I'm taking "similar" too literally but while in the same ballpark, Sheffield is a better prospect by all the top 100 prospect rankings out there. Some I'd characterize as calling him much better (Keith Law had Sheffield as a top 40 guy while Diaz wasn't in his top 100 for example). Plus he's a SP which is what Baltimore really needs and wanted. Abreu and Diaz are closer which I would've done for Machado but doesn't sound like the Yankees were willing to.



? Diaz came into 2018 #73 prospect in baseball on baseball prospectus's list and has put up a .905 OPS this season, homered twice in the futures game so it's safe to say his stock is UP.

314 .428 .477

BP had Sheffield #57 coming into the year

They are similar caliber prospects


See below for Diaz's rankings coming into the season vs Sheffield's

Top 100* Lists
Player BA BP ESPN MLB
Diaz 101 73 101 84

Sheffield 41 57 16 39

Diaz is having a good year but Sheffield is too (2.44 ERA in AA and AAA). I think it's fair to say that all the experts agree that Sheffield is a better prospect. Some more so than others but he's also closer to the bigs which helps his value.
RE: RE: Not  
DanMetroMan : 7/17/2018 1:35 pm : link
In comment 14014939 adamg said:
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looking to engage in some debate where I look anti-Yankee. Point is both guys are roughly the same caliber prospect. Not "blue chip" aka STUDS ala Torres before he came up or Acuna, Guerrero etc. They are in the second tier. MLBpipeline gives Diaz a 55 future grade which is above average regular, Sheffield also has a 55.


Even if both are "second tier" I would think all things being equal the SP is the better prospect. Especially one who projects as a top of the rotation starter, compared to a starting corner outfielder.


Sure and it's very possible the Orioles with very limited major league pitching view Sheffield as a better get. All I mean is if the Yankees swapped Sheffield for Diaz nobody would be going "OMG what a bad deal". It would be two "similarly" viewed talents. Certainly not dogging Sheffield at all. Just saying both are very good but not "blue chip" prospects.
RE: RE: Adam  
bigbluehoya : 7/17/2018 1:43 pm : link
In comment 14014945 adamg said:
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Kind of a moot point, because LAD is allegedly willing to include Diaz and NYY took a hard line about not including Sheff.

So it would appear not to be a real situation of LAD choosing Diaz over Sheff, or of any supposed Yankee Tax (which I do think is an actual thing sometimes).

If the Yankees did offer Sheffield, he'd clearly be the more attractive option. So, it's not a moot point at all.


Im confused. The yanks did not offer Sheffield by all reports, and LAD did offer Diaz (allegedly). So the Orioles had the opportunity to get one, and did not have the opportunity to get the other.

Thats what made me say it was moot (though the discussion is still interesting).

I dont think we disagree.
Saying it's a moot point is true  
adamg : 7/17/2018 1:44 pm : link
regarding the trade talks. This was a separate topic in my mind: who's the better prospect. Thus my saying it's not a moot point. It was in fact the entire point.
RE: I just dont understand with all that money Angelos  
dpinzow : 7/17/2018 1:44 pm : link
In comment 14014895 Rflairr said:
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has, he wouldnt just pay their best player. Idiots


Look up the Chris Davis contract...by far the worst contract in baseball
point is that, if you consider Sheffield the better prospect  
Greg from LI : 7/17/2018 1:44 pm : link
...which is a reasonable position, then the Orioles were asking more of the Yankees than they were the Dodgers.
Got it  
bigbluehoya : 7/17/2018 1:45 pm : link
I misunderstood your angle. Cheers.
It's good the Yankees are not making this deal  
dpinzow : 7/17/2018 1:47 pm : link
they can just sign him in free agency next year. Machado wants to be a Yankee, question is whether the Yankees want to sign him
The O's  
Pete in MD : 7/17/2018 1:50 pm : link
could probably never trade Machado to the Yankees for any package. Most fans aren't savvy about prospects. The fan outrage would have been crazy.
RE: It's good the Yankees are not making this deal  
Jay on the Island : 7/17/2018 1:52 pm : link
In comment 14014958 dpinzow said:
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they can just sign him in free agency next year. Machado wants to be a Yankee, question is whether the Yankees want to sign him


He will have plenty of suitors. The Phillies, Braves, Padres, White Sox, Etc have a lot of money to spend this offseason.
RE: The O's  
Jay on the Island : 7/17/2018 1:54 pm : link
In comment 14014960 Pete in MD said:
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could probably never trade Machado to the Yankees for any package. Most fans aren't savvy about prospects. The fan outrage would have been crazy.

You cant run an organization that way. The reaction would be much worse if they keep him and he signs with the Yankees in free agency leaving them with just a comp pick.
Unless the money is truly astronomical  
Greg from LI : 7/17/2018 1:54 pm : link
there isn't a player on earth signing with the Padres or White Sox over the Yankees.
Yeah  
illmatic : 7/17/2018 1:54 pm : link
Don't underestimate how much money teams will have to throw at him. This isn't the Yankees from 10 years ago. They'll probably bow out if teams get crazy with their bids. I wouldn't be that surprised if they don't land either Machado or Harper this offseason.
RE: Unless the money is truly astronomical  
DanMetroMan : 7/17/2018 1:55 pm : link
In comment 14014965 Greg from LI said:
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there isn't a player on earth signing with the Padres or White Sox over the Yankees.


Greg,
Only place I disagree is on Cuban players. I'm not sure I even understand what the deal is there but the White Sox have some weird Cuban player pipeline.
RE: Unless the money is truly astronomical  
Jay on the Island : 7/17/2018 2:00 pm : link
In comment 14014965 Greg from LI said:
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there isn't a player on earth signing with the Padres or White Sox over the Yankees.

I think they that the Yankees will be outbid for Machado as they already are set at 3B long term. Machado is not a good SS so I dont expect the Yankees to outbid everyone for him. Machado isnt going to leave a ton of money on the table to go to the Yankees. I expect Philly to offer a massive deal.
RE: RE: The O's  
Pete in MD : 7/17/2018 2:00 pm : link
In comment 14014964 Jay on the Island said:
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could probably never trade Machado to the Yankees for any package. Most fans aren't savvy about prospects. The fan outrage would have been crazy.


You cant run an organization that way. The reaction would be much worse if they keep him and he signs with the Yankees in free agency leaving them with just a comp pick.

I agree that it's not a smart way to run a team but it's a weird reality. The O's would take a lesser package from pretty much any other team, even the Red Sox.
RE: RE: RE: The O's  
Jay on the Island : 7/17/2018 2:05 pm : link
In comment 14014972 Pete in MD said:
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could probably never trade Machado to the Yankees for any package. Most fans aren't savvy about prospects. The fan outrage would have been crazy.


You cant run an organization that way. The reaction would be much worse if they keep him and he signs with the Yankees in free agency leaving them with just a comp pick.


I agree that it's not a smart way to run a team but it's a weird reality. The O's would take a lesser package from pretty much any other team, even the Red Sox.


Youre right but there is always a tax for trading with a division rival. It also hurts the Yankees that the Os owner absolutely despises the Yankees.
RE: Well this sucks  
Hsilwek92 : 7/17/2018 2:19 pm : link
In comment 14014896 Jay on the Island said:
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I was hoping that Philly would sell the farm to acquire him and lose him in free agency. There is little chance that the Dodgers will let him hit free agency.


Boras is Machados agent. Hes not signing an extension.
RE: RE: Well this sucks  
DanMetroMan : 7/17/2018 2:22 pm : link
In comment 14014982 Hsilwek92 said:
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I was hoping that Philly would sell the farm to acquire him and lose him in free agency. There is little chance that the Dodgers will let him hit free agency.



Boras is Machados agent. Hes not signing an extension.


Unlikely but he's done it before
RE: RE: I just dont understand with all that money Angelos  
Pete in MD : 7/17/2018 2:34 pm : link
In comment 14014954 dpinzow said:
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has, he wouldnt just pay their best player. Idiots



Look up the Chris Davis contract...by far the worst contract in baseball

The O's can't do anything right. They were considered an overly cheap franchise for years. They finally loosen the purse strings for Davis and now he's a complete disaster. And they have to pay him $42M in deferred money in the future.
Machado  
DanMetroMan : 7/17/2018 2:41 pm : link
thinks he's headed to LAD
Dodgers will go as far as  
spike : 7/17/2018 2:46 pm : link
the back of Kershaw.
Puig and Machado in the same clubhouse?  
Vanzetti : 7/17/2018 4:18 pm : link
yeah, that's going to work out well
Good news all the way around...  
Dan in the Springs : 7/17/2018 8:34 pm : link
Gets him off the NYY schedule, makes signing him next year compensation-free, gets him out of the league, it doesn't look like BAL got significantly better long-term through the trade. Just a lot to like about this for NYY fans.
Why wont Machado cost a comp pick  
BigBlue4You09 : 7/17/2018 9:07 pm : link
?
Rosenthal update  
BigBlue4You09 : 7/17/2018 10:13 pm : link
Can report with more certainty: Machado to #Dodgers⁠ ⁠ happening. Among remaining questions, in addition to specifics of return beyond OF Yusniel Diaz: How much money, if any, #Orioles will send #Dodgers⁠ ⁠ to secure a better package and help ease LADs luxury-tax concerns.
RE: Why wont Machado cost a comp pick  
Jay on the Island : 7/18/2018 9:40 am : link
In comment 14015145 BigBlue4You09 said:
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Now that he has been traded the Dodgers can't make him a qualifying offer which means that he won't cost a comp pick to whomever signs him. The rules are that the player must spend the entire season with a team in order to qualify for a tender.
Thats a big haul  
Rflairr : 7/18/2018 9:44 am : link
For a rental. Especially a rental they arent likely to Re sign
David Bowie Night  
Pete in MD : 7/18/2018 9:52 am : link
at the Bowie BaySox (O's AA affiliate) stadium just got a little more exciting.
possible issues with 2 of the players physicals  
nygiants16 : 7/18/2018 2:17 pm : link
might reopen negotiations
With Angelos it's never done until the papers are officially  
arniefez : 7/18/2018 2:23 pm : link
filed with MLB. The good news for Yankee fans is that the Orioles will screw this up and get pretty much get the least return any other team in MLB would.
RE: With Angelos it's never done until the papers are officially  
Hsilwek92 : 7/18/2018 3:08 pm : link
In comment 14015599 arniefez said:
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filed with MLB. The good news for Yankee fans is that the Orioles will screw this up and get pretty much get the least return any other team in MLB would.


Peter Angelos isnt really that hands on with the Os anymore. His sons have pretty much taken over ownership responsibilities a la Hal and Hank.
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