“The minute I put on his tape last fall I saw that, and speaking with him in person I really love his makeup.
That’s an attitude that you bring into that locker room, that line room. He’s a young guy but eventually,
as he gets a couple of years under his belt, that attitude becomes infectious with the young guys after him.’’
We are hoping, a guy that plays mean, can be an NFL LG, right out of the starting gate....another assumption.....
But the season depends on this OL....you can have all the talent in the world at the skill positions of the offense, but unless Eli has time to throw, and unless this OL can open a hole when it has to, this team is going nowhere...
The most that I have heard about this guy is, he plays mean(Flowers was supposedly mean, yet he played patty cake with DE's)....big deal, can he play? He is a rookie, and will make mistakes...and if he does have problems, they will be exploited by the team the following week....
It is much easier for a guard than a tackle, to come in and play as a rookie.....he is supposedly a road grader, hopefully he is....having Solder to his left will be a plus....not so much to the right of him.....
We have to hope DG drafts better OLmen than Reese, but in reflection, how hard is that to do?
If Solder stays healthy, Hernandez learns the playbook and can handle stunts, Eli's blind side will be more secure....we may have slight upgrades at the other three positions...how much remains to be seen.....
Hunter does not have the pedigree Solari had, but was Solari over rated, or were the guys just that bad? Was Solari a bad judge of talent? It wasn't until backups were installed, that this OL performed a little better....
It's a new Giant era.....All, I mean all of these coaches have something to prove....let's hope they do it...
season is MUCH more dependent I guys like OBJ staying healthy, and having a reasonable game plan (ie coaching). Tell me again how good the o-line was in 2015??? That offense put up tons of points.
Just what has Dallas won with their O-Line? One division title and one playoff game. When their skill players went down in 2015, they went 4-12 with that same elite o-line. What was their record last year when Zeke was suspended???
season is MUCH more dependent I guys like OBJ staying healthy, and having a reasonable game plan (ie coaching). Tell me again how good the o-line was in 2015??? That offense put up tons of points.
Just what has Dallas won with their O-Line? One division title and one playoff game. When their skill players went down in 2015, they went 4-12 with that same elite o-line. What was their record last year when Zeke was suspended???
Lolz. No team has ever won a Super Bowl without a line that at least was consistent and solid. While most teams with divas who become bigger than the team barely sniff the playoffs. The ones like Gronk and Irvin learn to fall in line during the season. If our big time Charlie’s like Beckham, Collins and now Barkley don’t learn this, it’s another scary bad year.
We are hoping, a guy that plays mean, can be an NFL LG, right out of the starting gate....another assumption.....
But the season depends on this OL....you can have all the talent in the world at the skill positions of the offense, but unless Eli has time to throw, and unless this OL can open a hole when it has to, this team is going nowhere...
The most that I have heard about this guy is, he plays mean(Flowers was supposedly mean, yet he played patty cake with DE's)....big deal, can he play? He is a rookie, and will make mistakes...and if he does have problems, they will be exploited by the team the following week....
It is much easier for a guard than a tackle, to come in and play as a rookie.....he is supposedly a road grader, hopefully he is....having Solder to his left will be a plus....not so much to the right of him.....
We have to hope DG drafts better OLmen than Reese, but in reflection, how hard is that to do?
If Solder stays healthy, Hernandez learns the playbook and can handle stunts, Eli's blind side will be more secure....we may have slight upgrades at the other three positions...how much remains to be seen.....
Hunter does not have the pedigree Solari had, but was Solari over rated, or were the guys just that bad? Was Solari a bad judge of talent? It wasn't until backups were installed, that this OL performed a little better....
It's a new Giant era.....All, I mean all of these coaches have something to prove....let's hope they do it...
I agree on not getting too optimistic, but Hernandez was seemingly loved by all of the analysts. I remember many being concerned about Flowers because of his “technique” issues before and during the draft. He was considered to be a reach where he was picked by most. Some pointed to his nastiness maybe helping him, but I am honestly not surprised at all that he has been a bust so far because it’s the technique stuff that has brought him down thus far. That being said, he projected better at RT coming out of college, and if not for Beatty getting hurt, that’s where he would have been all of this time so we’ll see how it shakes out this year.
This preseason, ( the atmosphere surrounding the offensive line, we ll see what transpires. Reese just wasn very successful using high first round picks to rebuild that O line.
Pugh and Flowers top 10 picks, ugh.
When after the fact you learn how bad the chemistry was in that room, it makes you realize this unit was just a mess.
Three. new pieces to the line, 4 if you count Flower's position change. Cause for optimism.
This preseason, ( the atmosphere surrounding the offensive line, we ll see what transpires. Reese just wasn very successful using high first round picks to rebuild that O line.
Pugh and Flowers top 10 picks, ugh.
When after the fact you learn how bad the chemistry was in that room, it makes you realize this unit was just a mess.
Three. new pieces to the line, 4 if you count Flower's position change. Cause for optimism.
Though Seubert should be remembered as a hero for how he came back from that leg injury. Didn't he miss almost two full seasons because of that?
Snee was more talented and a better player than Seubert but Seubert was a damn good guard also. Before he suffered the gruesome ankle injury Seubert was on his way to becoming one of the better guards in the NFC. He missed two years because of that injury but he worked hard to become a very good guard again. During his final season he also shifted to center when O'Hara was injured and the line played much better with him at center.
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I agree on not getting too optimistic, but Hernandez was seemingly loved by all of the analysts. I remember many being concerned about Flowers because of his “technique” issues before and during the draft. He was considered to be a reach where he was picked by most. Some pointed to his nastiness maybe helping him, but I am honestly not surprised at all that he has been a bust so far because it’s the technique stuff that has brought him down thus far. That being said, he projected better at RT coming out of college, and if not for Beatty getting hurt, that’s where he would have been all of this time so we’ll see how it shakes out this year.
Pugh was a consensus reach, Apple was a reach/wtf? pick. I believe Wilson was a reach too.
Sucks when Mel f*cking Kiper is better than your FO.
No team has ever won a Super Bowl without a line that at least was consistent and solid.
What does it mean to be consistent and solid? How high a bar is that? The Patriots continue to mix in guys that nobody ever heard of without slowing down in their pursuit of Super Bowls. The starter goes down with an injury, some no-name comes in and the Patriots don't skip a beat. Good coaching, cohesion, and intelligence can go a long way in turning a patchwork OL into that consistent, solid line of which you speak.
Linebackers are not going to shed this kid and make a tackle, trust me he will bury them so far into the ground all that will be left is the tombstone showing were that linebacker was on the field once upon a time.
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I agree on not getting too optimistic, but Hernandez was seemingly loved by all of the analysts. I remember many being concerned about Flowers because of his “technique” issues before and during the draft. He was considered to be a reach where he was picked by most. Some pointed to his nastiness maybe helping him, but I am honestly not surprised at all that he has been a bust so far because it’s the technique stuff that has brought him down thus far. That being said, he projected better at RT coming out of college, and if not for Beatty getting hurt, that’s where he would have been all of this time so we’ll see how it shakes out this year.
Pugh was a consensus reach, Apple was a reach/wtf? pick. I believe Wilson was a reach too.
Sucks when Mel f*cking Kiper is better than your FO.
You are absolutely right about Pugh. I remember them laughing about his t-Rex arms during the draft and how it would make it difficult for him to be a T. Guess what, they were right just like they were about Flowers’ technique problems. Besides being a china doll, Pugh couldn’t cut it at tackle and they had to move him to G.
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RollBlue : 8:16 am : link : reply
season is MUCH more dependent I guys like OBJ staying healthy, and having a reasonable game plan (ie coaching). Tell me again how good the o-line was in 2015??? That offense put up tons of points.
Just what has Dallas won with their O-Line? One division title and one playoff game. When their skill players went down in 2015, they went 4-12 with that same elite o-line. What was their record last year when Zeke was suspended???
I could give a rats ass about the Dallas Cowboys....
The OL sucked in 2015......and they were constantly playing from behind, and having to throw the ball in the fourth quarter to score points, and finished 6-10...and the OL sucked in 2016......yes they scored points, but that was a one trick pony offense with OBj taking it to the house many times in a 11-5 season....
This offense is going to have to carry this team as the defense suffers through growing pains.....and it's going to need an OL to do it....otherwise it's another 8-8 +/- 1 team.....
RE: RE: RE: RE: We assumed a lot about last year's OL...... Â
I agree on not getting too optimistic, but Hernandez was seemingly loved by all of the analysts. I remember many being concerned about Flowers because of his “technique” issues before and during the draft. He was considered to be a reach where he was picked by most. Some pointed to his nastiness maybe helping him, but I am honestly not surprised at all that he has been a bust so far because it’s the technique stuff that has brought him down thus far. That being said, he projected better at RT coming out of college, and if not for Beatty getting hurt, that’s where he would have been all of this time so we’ll see how it shakes out this year.
Pugh was a consensus reach, Apple was a reach/wtf? pick. I believe Wilson was a reach too.
Sucks when Mel f*cking Kiper is better than your FO.
You are absolutely right about Pugh. I remember them laughing about his t-Rex arms during the draft and how it would make it difficult for him to be a T. Guess what, they were right just like they were about Flowers’ technique problems. Besides being a china doll, Pugh couldn’t cut it at tackle and they had to move him to G.
He has the same arm length as plenty of linemen around the league. And he made the all rookie team playing RT. Don't think you're remembering that right. The idea that he was a "consensus reach" is complete BBI nonsense.
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RollBlue : 8:16 am : link : reply
season is MUCH more dependent I guys like OBJ staying healthy, and having a reasonable game plan (ie coaching). Tell me again how good the o-line was in 2015??? That offense put up tons of points.
Just what has Dallas won with their O-Line? One division title and one playoff game. When their skill players went down in 2015, they went 4-12 with that same elite o-line. What was their record last year when Zeke was suspended???
I could give a rats ass about the Dallas Cowboys....
The OL sucked in 2015......and they were constantly playing from behind, and having to throw the ball in the fourth quarter to score points, and finished 6-10...and the OL sucked in 2016......yes they scored points, but that was a one trick pony offense with OBj taking it to the house many times in a 11-5 season....
This offense is going to have to carry this team as the defense suffers through growing pains.....and it's going to need an OL to do it....otherwise it's another 8-8 +/- 1 team.....
Our oline was broken down and sucked in 2011, yet Eli carried that team on his back to a SB with a slot receiver as our only threat.
Eli doesn't have that magic ability anymore, but surround him with some talent and he still has plenty in the tank.
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I agree on not getting too optimistic, but Hernandez was seemingly loved by all of the analysts. I remember many being concerned about Flowers because of his “technique” issues before and during the draft. He was considered to be a reach where he was picked by most. Some pointed to his nastiness maybe helping him, but I am honestly not surprised at all that he has been a bust so far because it’s the technique stuff that has brought him down thus far. That being said, he projected better at RT coming out of college, and if not for Beatty getting hurt, that’s where he would have been all of this time so we’ll see how it shakes out this year.
Pugh was a consensus reach, Apple was a reach/wtf? pick. I believe Wilson was a reach too.
Sucks when Mel f*cking Kiper is better than your FO.
You are absolutely right about Pugh. I remember them laughing about his t-Rex arms during the draft and how it would make it difficult for him to be a T. Guess what, they were right just like they were about Flowers’ technique problems. Besides being a china doll, Pugh couldn’t cut it at tackle and they had to move him to G.
He has the same arm length as plenty of linemen around the league. And he made the all rookie team playing RT. Don't think you're remembering that right. The idea that he was a "consensus reach" is complete BBI nonsense.
A lot of guys make the all rookie team and end up not being that great depending on the position. Tackle is a premium position, if he was a good RT they would have never moved him to Guard where he was maybe slightly above average. It’s typically easier to find a Guard than a Tackle.
Justin Pugh signed a 5 year, $45,025,000 contract with the Arizona Cardinals, including a $10,000,000 signing bonus, $15,750,000 guaranteed, and an average annual salary of $9,005,000.
Pugh was just never going to be that kind of player. I still cant believe the contracts he & Richburg signed. Average when healthy. But never healthy. Think they both cashed in on their agents spinning McAdoos incompetence.
Justin Pugh signed a 5 year, $45,025,000 contract with the Arizona Cardinals, including a $10,000,000 signing bonus, $15,750,000 guaranteed, and an average annual salary of $9,005,000.
Insane money for that guy. He signed really late too which made it even more surprising to me that they shelled out that much cash, didn’t appear to be many suitors, the Giants didn’t even attempt to resign him. Even more surprising they would invest like this in Pugh when you consider the fact that Bradford and Rosen have horrendous injury track records and he is less than stellar in pass pro.
I think he was a starting quality tackle and a plus player at guard. My issue with him was that he couldn't be relied on to stay healthy. Whether or not he was a good teammate/leader, I have no idea and I'm not going to speculate.
This preseason, ( the atmosphere surrounding the offensive line, we ll see what transpires. Reese just wasn very successful using high first round picks to rebuild that O line.
Pugh and Flowers top 10 picks, ugh.
When after the fact you learn how bad the chemistry was in that room, it makes you realize this unit was just a mess.
Three. new pieces to the line, 4 if you count Flower's position change. Cause for optimism.
If you look at Pugh's draft class, the first round was brutally bad that year, and Pugh was one of the only quality picks to come out of the first round.
He was a good player, he just couldn't stay healthy. He gets to much shit around her for more then likely being are best offensive lineman that past few seasons.
If you look at Pugh's draft class, the first round was brutally bad that year, and Pugh was one of the only quality picks to come out of the first round.
He was a good player, he just couldn't stay healthy. He gets to much shit around her for more then likely being are best offensive lineman that past few seasons.
It's par for the course that people don't bother to read much into what they want to talk about though. Far easier to launch takes from the safety of not being informed.
If you look at Pugh's draft class, the first round was brutally bad that year, and Pugh was one of the only quality picks to come out of the first round.
He was a good player, he just couldn't stay healthy. He gets to much shit around her for more then likely being are best offensive lineman that past few seasons.
It's par for the course that people don't bother to read much into what they want to talk about though. Far easier to launch takes from the safety of not being informed.
You’re right, he’s incredible. That’s why one of the best offensive line talent evaluators in the league as proclaimed by many, Gettleman, thought so highly of him that he according to Pugh never even called him to talk about a new contract. In fact, he tried to pay Norwell a kings ransom to replace him.
If you look at Pugh's draft class, the first round was brutally bad that year, and Pugh was one of the only quality picks to come out of the first round.
He was a good player, he just couldn't stay healthy. He gets to much shit around her for more then likely being are best offensive lineman that past few seasons.
It's par for the course that people don't bother to read much into what they want to talk about though. Far easier to launch takes from the safety of not being informed.
You’re right, he’s incredible. That’s why one of the best offensive line talent evaluators in the league as proclaimed by many, Gettleman, thought so highly of him that he according to Pugh never even called him to talk about a new contract. In fact, he tried to pay Norwell a kings ransom to replace him.
Also keep in mind, his first NFL coach who has seen as much of his play as anyone, Coughlin, the guy basically running the show in Jacksonville, chose to pay Norwell the highest guard contract in the history of the league rather sign Pugh, who would have come a hell of a lot cheaper.
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Coach Red Beaulieu : 11:01 am : link : reply
Our oline was broken down and sucked in 2011, yet Eli carried that team on his back to a SB with a slot receiver as our only threat.
Eli doesn't have that magic ability anymore, but surround him with some talent and he still has plenty in the tank.
Yes the OL was broke in 2011, but it was leaps and bounds better than the 2017 OL.....And yes, Eli had a magical season, his best, and should have been MVP, not because of stats but because of what he achieved with what he had to work with...
And yes, 2011 Eli does not exist anymore.....you can't hit OBj, SS, or Double E if you are lying on your back....Eli needs an OL in front of him....
If you look at Pugh's draft class, the first round was brutally bad that year, and Pugh was one of the only quality picks to come out of the first round.
He was a good player, he just couldn't stay healthy. He gets to much shit around her for more then likely being are best offensive lineman that past few seasons.
It's par for the course that people don't bother to read much into what they want to talk about though. Far easier to launch takes from the safety of not being informed.
You’re right, he’s incredible. That’s why one of the best offensive line talent evaluators in the league as proclaimed by many, Gettleman, thought so highly of him that he according to Pugh never even called him to talk about a new contract. In fact, he tried to pay Norwell a kings ransom to replace him.
Nobody said he was incredible. No one. This is a really poor point by you.
Also, feel free to cite the many people who proclaim that Â
“The minute I put on his tape last fall I saw that, and speaking with him in person I really love his makeup.
That’s an attitude that you bring into that locker room, that line room. He’s a young guy but eventually,
as he gets a couple of years under his belt, that attitude becomes infectious with the young guys after him.’’
I'm talking about his nastiness and how his mentality really set the tone for our OL.
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Though Seubert should be remembered as a hero for how he came back from that leg injury. Didn't he miss almost two full seasons because of that?
I'm talking about his nastiness and how his mentality really set the tone for our OL.
something the team has severely lacked for 5+ years
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Though Seubert should be remembered as a hero for how he came back from that leg injury. Didn't he miss almost two full seasons because of that?
I'm talking about his nastiness and how his mentality really set the tone for our OL.
Yep, every camp, Richie was the easy wager to be the first to start a fight. He brought the nastiness to his own teammates.
But the season depends on this OL....you can have all the talent in the world at the skill positions of the offense, but unless Eli has time to throw, and unless this OL can open a hole when it has to, this team is going nowhere...
The most that I have heard about this guy is, he plays mean(Flowers was supposedly mean, yet he played patty cake with DE's)....big deal, can he play? He is a rookie, and will make mistakes...and if he does have problems, they will be exploited by the team the following week....
It is much easier for a guard than a tackle, to come in and play as a rookie.....he is supposedly a road grader, hopefully he is....having Solder to his left will be a plus....not so much to the right of him.....
We have to hope DG drafts better OLmen than Reese, but in reflection, how hard is that to do?
If Solder stays healthy, Hernandez learns the playbook and can handle stunts, Eli's blind side will be more secure....we may have slight upgrades at the other three positions...how much remains to be seen.....
Hunter does not have the pedigree Solari had, but was Solari over rated, or were the guys just that bad? Was Solari a bad judge of talent? It wasn't until backups were installed, that this OL performed a little better....
It's a new Giant era.....All, I mean all of these coaches have something to prove....let's hope they do it...
Just what has Dallas won with their O-Line? One division title and one playoff game. When their skill players went down in 2015, they went 4-12 with that same elite o-line. What was their record last year when Zeke was suspended???
Just what has Dallas won with their O-Line? One division title and one playoff game. When their skill players went down in 2015, they went 4-12 with that same elite o-line. What was their record last year when Zeke was suspended???
Lolz. No team has ever won a Super Bowl without a line that at least was consistent and solid. While most teams with divas who become bigger than the team barely sniff the playoffs. The ones like Gronk and Irvin learn to fall in line during the season. If our big time Charlie’s like Beckham, Collins and now Barkley don’t learn this, it’s another scary bad year.
But the season depends on this OL....you can have all the talent in the world at the skill positions of the offense, but unless Eli has time to throw, and unless this OL can open a hole when it has to, this team is going nowhere...
The most that I have heard about this guy is, he plays mean(Flowers was supposedly mean, yet he played patty cake with DE's)....big deal, can he play? He is a rookie, and will make mistakes...and if he does have problems, they will be exploited by the team the following week....
It is much easier for a guard than a tackle, to come in and play as a rookie.....he is supposedly a road grader, hopefully he is....having Solder to his left will be a plus....not so much to the right of him.....
We have to hope DG drafts better OLmen than Reese, but in reflection, how hard is that to do?
If Solder stays healthy, Hernandez learns the playbook and can handle stunts, Eli's blind side will be more secure....we may have slight upgrades at the other three positions...how much remains to be seen.....
Hunter does not have the pedigree Solari had, but was Solari over rated, or were the guys just that bad? Was Solari a bad judge of talent? It wasn't until backups were installed, that this OL performed a little better....
It's a new Giant era.....All, I mean all of these coaches have something to prove....let's hope they do it...
I agree on not getting too optimistic, but Hernandez was seemingly loved by all of the analysts. I remember many being concerned about Flowers because of his “technique” issues before and during the draft. He was considered to be a reach where he was picked by most. Some pointed to his nastiness maybe helping him, but I am honestly not surprised at all that he has been a bust so far because it’s the technique stuff that has brought him down thus far. That being said, he projected better at RT coming out of college, and if not for Beatty getting hurt, that’s where he would have been all of this time so we’ll see how it shakes out this year.
Pugh and Flowers top 10 picks, ugh.
When after the fact you learn how bad the chemistry was in that room, it makes you realize this unit was just a mess.
Three. new pieces to the line, 4 if you count Flower's position change. Cause for optimism.
Pugh and Flowers top 10 picks, ugh.
When after the fact you learn how bad the chemistry was in that room, it makes you realize this unit was just a mess.
Three. new pieces to the line, 4 if you count Flower's position change. Cause for optimism.
Pugh was picked 19th.
Snee was more talented and a better player than Seubert but Seubert was a damn good guard also. Before he suffered the gruesome ankle injury Seubert was on his way to becoming one of the better guards in the NFC. He missed two years because of that injury but he worked hard to become a very good guard again. During his final season he also shifted to center when O'Hara was injured and the line played much better with him at center.
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I agree on not getting too optimistic, but Hernandez was seemingly loved by all of the analysts. I remember many being concerned about Flowers because of his “technique” issues before and during the draft. He was considered to be a reach where he was picked by most. Some pointed to his nastiness maybe helping him, but I am honestly not surprised at all that he has been a bust so far because it’s the technique stuff that has brought him down thus far. That being said, he projected better at RT coming out of college, and if not for Beatty getting hurt, that’s where he would have been all of this time so we’ll see how it shakes out this year.
Pugh was a consensus reach, Apple was a reach/wtf? pick. I believe Wilson was a reach too.
Sucks when Mel f*cking Kiper is better than your FO.
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I agree on not getting too optimistic, but Hernandez was seemingly loved by all of the analysts. I remember many being concerned about Flowers because of his “technique” issues before and during the draft. He was considered to be a reach where he was picked by most. Some pointed to his nastiness maybe helping him, but I am honestly not surprised at all that he has been a bust so far because it’s the technique stuff that has brought him down thus far. That being said, he projected better at RT coming out of college, and if not for Beatty getting hurt, that’s where he would have been all of this time so we’ll see how it shakes out this year.
Pugh was a consensus reach, Apple was a reach/wtf? pick. I believe Wilson was a reach too.
Sucks when Mel f*cking Kiper is better than your FO.
You are absolutely right about Pugh. I remember them laughing about his t-Rex arms during the draft and how it would make it difficult for him to be a T. Guess what, they were right just like they were about Flowers’ technique problems. Besides being a china doll, Pugh couldn’t cut it at tackle and they had to move him to G.
Compare and contrast to Hernandez taken in a later round, with tons of pluses and spikes and tremendous upside.
RollBlue : 8:16 am : link : reply
season is MUCH more dependent I guys like OBJ staying healthy, and having a reasonable game plan (ie coaching). Tell me again how good the o-line was in 2015??? That offense put up tons of points.
Just what has Dallas won with their O-Line? One division title and one playoff game. When their skill players went down in 2015, they went 4-12 with that same elite o-line. What was their record last year when Zeke was suspended???
I could give a rats ass about the Dallas Cowboys....
The OL sucked in 2015......and they were constantly playing from behind, and having to throw the ball in the fourth quarter to score points, and finished 6-10...and the OL sucked in 2016......yes they scored points, but that was a one trick pony offense with OBj taking it to the house many times in a 11-5 season....
This offense is going to have to carry this team as the defense suffers through growing pains.....and it's going to need an OL to do it....otherwise it's another 8-8 +/- 1 team.....
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I agree on not getting too optimistic, but Hernandez was seemingly loved by all of the analysts. I remember many being concerned about Flowers because of his “technique” issues before and during the draft. He was considered to be a reach where he was picked by most. Some pointed to his nastiness maybe helping him, but I am honestly not surprised at all that he has been a bust so far because it’s the technique stuff that has brought him down thus far. That being said, he projected better at RT coming out of college, and if not for Beatty getting hurt, that’s where he would have been all of this time so we’ll see how it shakes out this year.
Pugh was a consensus reach, Apple was a reach/wtf? pick. I believe Wilson was a reach too.
Sucks when Mel f*cking Kiper is better than your FO.
You are absolutely right about Pugh. I remember them laughing about his t-Rex arms during the draft and how it would make it difficult for him to be a T. Guess what, they were right just like they were about Flowers’ technique problems. Besides being a china doll, Pugh couldn’t cut it at tackle and they had to move him to G.
He has the same arm length as plenty of linemen around the league. And he made the all rookie team playing RT. Don't think you're remembering that right. The idea that he was a "consensus reach" is complete BBI nonsense.
RollBlue : 8:16 am : link : reply
season is MUCH more dependent I guys like OBJ staying healthy, and having a reasonable game plan (ie coaching). Tell me again how good the o-line was in 2015??? That offense put up tons of points.
Just what has Dallas won with their O-Line? One division title and one playoff game. When their skill players went down in 2015, they went 4-12 with that same elite o-line. What was their record last year when Zeke was suspended???
I could give a rats ass about the Dallas Cowboys....
The OL sucked in 2015......and they were constantly playing from behind, and having to throw the ball in the fourth quarter to score points, and finished 6-10...and the OL sucked in 2016......yes they scored points, but that was a one trick pony offense with OBj taking it to the house many times in a 11-5 season....
This offense is going to have to carry this team as the defense suffers through growing pains.....and it's going to need an OL to do it....otherwise it's another 8-8 +/- 1 team.....
Our oline was broken down and sucked in 2011, yet Eli carried that team on his back to a SB with a slot receiver as our only threat.
Eli doesn't have that magic ability anymore, but surround him with some talent and he still has plenty in the tank.
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I agree on not getting too optimistic, but Hernandez was seemingly loved by all of the analysts. I remember many being concerned about Flowers because of his “technique” issues before and during the draft. He was considered to be a reach where he was picked by most. Some pointed to his nastiness maybe helping him, but I am honestly not surprised at all that he has been a bust so far because it’s the technique stuff that has brought him down thus far. That being said, he projected better at RT coming out of college, and if not for Beatty getting hurt, that’s where he would have been all of this time so we’ll see how it shakes out this year.
Pugh was a consensus reach, Apple was a reach/wtf? pick. I believe Wilson was a reach too.
Sucks when Mel f*cking Kiper is better than your FO.
You are absolutely right about Pugh. I remember them laughing about his t-Rex arms during the draft and how it would make it difficult for him to be a T. Guess what, they were right just like they were about Flowers’ technique problems. Besides being a china doll, Pugh couldn’t cut it at tackle and they had to move him to G.
He has the same arm length as plenty of linemen around the league. And he made the all rookie team playing RT. Don't think you're remembering that right. The idea that he was a "consensus reach" is complete BBI nonsense.
A lot of guys make the all rookie team and end up not being that great depending on the position. Tackle is a premium position, if he was a good RT they would have never moved him to Guard where he was maybe slightly above average. It’s typically easier to find a Guard than a Tackle.
Pugh was just never going to be that kind of player. I still cant believe the contracts he & Richburg signed. Average when healthy. But never healthy. Think they both cashed in on their agents spinning McAdoos incompetence.
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Justin Pugh signed a 5 year, $45,025,000 contract with the Arizona Cardinals, including a $10,000,000 signing bonus, $15,750,000 guaranteed, and an average annual salary of $9,005,000.
Insane money for that guy. He signed really late too which made it even more surprising to me that they shelled out that much cash, didn’t appear to be many suitors, the Giants didn’t even attempt to resign him. Even more surprising they would invest like this in Pugh when you consider the fact that Bradford and Rosen have horrendous injury track records and he is less than stellar in pass pro.
Pugh and Flowers top 10 picks, ugh.
When after the fact you learn how bad the chemistry was in that room, it makes you realize this unit was just a mess.
Three. new pieces to the line, 4 if you count Flower's position change. Cause for optimism.
If you look at Pugh's draft class, the first round was brutally bad that year, and Pugh was one of the only quality picks to come out of the first round.
He was a good player, he just couldn't stay healthy. He gets to much shit around her for more then likely being are best offensive lineman that past few seasons.
If you look at Pugh's draft class, the first round was brutally bad that year, and Pugh was one of the only quality picks to come out of the first round.
He was a good player, he just couldn't stay healthy. He gets to much shit around her for more then likely being are best offensive lineman that past few seasons.
It's par for the course that people don't bother to read much into what they want to talk about though. Far easier to launch takes from the safety of not being informed.
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If you look at Pugh's draft class, the first round was brutally bad that year, and Pugh was one of the only quality picks to come out of the first round.
He was a good player, he just couldn't stay healthy. He gets to much shit around her for more then likely being are best offensive lineman that past few seasons.
It's par for the course that people don't bother to read much into what they want to talk about though. Far easier to launch takes from the safety of not being informed.
You’re right, he’s incredible. That’s why one of the best offensive line talent evaluators in the league as proclaimed by many, Gettleman, thought so highly of him that he according to Pugh never even called him to talk about a new contract. In fact, he tried to pay Norwell a kings ransom to replace him.
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If you look at Pugh's draft class, the first round was brutally bad that year, and Pugh was one of the only quality picks to come out of the first round.
He was a good player, he just couldn't stay healthy. He gets to much shit around her for more then likely being are best offensive lineman that past few seasons.
It's par for the course that people don't bother to read much into what they want to talk about though. Far easier to launch takes from the safety of not being informed.
You’re right, he’s incredible. That’s why one of the best offensive line talent evaluators in the league as proclaimed by many, Gettleman, thought so highly of him that he according to Pugh never even called him to talk about a new contract. In fact, he tried to pay Norwell a kings ransom to replace him.
Also keep in mind, his first NFL coach who has seen as much of his play as anyone, Coughlin, the guy basically running the show in Jacksonville, chose to pay Norwell the highest guard contract in the history of the league rather sign Pugh, who would have come a hell of a lot cheaper.
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Our oline was broken down and sucked in 2011, yet Eli carried that team on his back to a SB with a slot receiver as our only threat.
Eli doesn't have that magic ability anymore, but surround him with some talent and he still has plenty in the tank.
Yes the OL was broke in 2011, but it was leaps and bounds better than the 2017 OL.....And yes, Eli had a magical season, his best, and should have been MVP, not because of stats but because of what he achieved with what he had to work with...
And yes, 2011 Eli does not exist anymore.....you can't hit OBj, SS, or Double E if you are lying on your back....Eli needs an OL in front of him....
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If you look at Pugh's draft class, the first round was brutally bad that year, and Pugh was one of the only quality picks to come out of the first round.
He was a good player, he just couldn't stay healthy. He gets to much shit around her for more then likely being are best offensive lineman that past few seasons.
It's par for the course that people don't bother to read much into what they want to talk about though. Far easier to launch takes from the safety of not being informed.
You’re right, he’s incredible. That’s why one of the best offensive line talent evaluators in the league as proclaimed by many, Gettleman, thought so highly of him that he according to Pugh never even called him to talk about a new contract. In fact, he tried to pay Norwell a kings ransom to replace him.
Nobody said he was incredible. No one. This is a really poor point by you.