Batman and DC were getting all the kudos and Marvel Studios was just getting off the ground with Iron Man. How the worm turns...
In retrospect, you can see the "grimdark" aspects of Dark Knight that ended up getting done to death in subsequent DC movies. Heath is great as the Joker of course, but I think the story and movie haven't dated as well. Lots of the now-patented Chris Nolan "I'm going to have my characters explain the plot and/or themes of the movie in every scene" bits.
Getting the crime organization's money guy back in U.S. jurisdiction from China, the ruthless terrorism employed by the Joker, the addition of a second villain in Harvey Dent, the murder of Rachel, the tapping of private phones of the citizenry for the limited purpose of catching a terrorist, and the public vilification of the hero for the public good?
Batman and DC were getting all the kudos and Marvel Studios was just getting off the ground with Iron Man. How the worm turns...
In retrospect, you can see the "grimdark" aspects of Dark Knight that ended up getting done to death in subsequent DC movies. Heath is great as the Joker of course, but I think the story and movie haven't dated as well. Lots of the now-patented Chris Nolan "I'm going to have my characters explain the plot and/or themes of the movie in every scene" bits.
Your Mom is named Martha too? Ugh. And the last Joker by Leto was just so over done.
"I took Gotham's 'white knight' and I brought him down to our level. It wasn't hard. See, madness, as you know, is like gravity: all it takes is a little push!"
the movie will continue to be the best superhero for me Â
and changed the way I perceived The Joker (Jack Nicholson); I'm not a comic book guy, so I can only come at it from the perspective of a guy who liked the Tim Burton Batman movie as an introduction to Batman.
Two months ago, Patton Oswalt posted this interesting opinion on his facebook page about The Joker's past
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Patton Oswalt
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I’ve always liked the theory that Heath Ledger’s Joker in Christopher Nolan’s DARK KNIGHT is a war veteran suffering PTSD. His referencing a “truckload of soldiers” getting blown up, his ease with military hardware, and his tactical ingenuity and precision planning all feel like an ex-Special Forces soldier returned stateside and dishing out payback. I love films that contain enough thought and shading to sustain post-screening theorizing like this.
But I just re-watched THE DARK KNIGHT, and another wrinkle came to mind about The Joker.
What if he’s not only ex-military, but ex-military intelligence?
Specifically — interrogation?
He seems to be very good at the kind of mind-fuckery that sustained, professional interrogation requires. His boast about how “I know the squealers” when he sees one. The way he adjusts his personality and methods depending on who he’s talking to, and knowing EXACTLY the reaction he’ll get: mocking Gamble’s manhood; invoking terror to Brian, the “false” Batman; teasing the policeman’s sense of loyalty to his fallen, fellow cops; digging into Gordon’s isolation; appealing to Harvey Dent’s hunger for “fairness.” He even conducts a “reverse interrogation” with Batman when he’s in the box at the police station — wanting to see how “far” Batman will go, trying to make him break his “one rule.” He constantly changes his backstory (and thus who he is). To Gamble and his henchmen, he’s an abused child (figuring that they were also the products of abuse and neglect). To Rachel, he’s a man mourning a tragic love — something she’s also wrestling with.
In the end, he ends up trying to mind-fuck an entire city — and the city calls his bluff. Or is that what he wanted all along? He plummets to his seeming death, laughing like a child. And when he’s rescued by Batman, the one individual he couldn’t manipulate or break, he’s blissful and relieved (and, visually, turned on his head). Even the language he uses when saying goodbye to Batman — describing their relationship as an “irresistible force meeting an immovable object” — is the kind of thing an interrogator would say, ruefully, about a fruitless session.
It didn’t matter how he got those scars, turns out.
(*As Cody Glive points out, in a comment below, The Joker also “directs” Batman’s interrogation of him, like an instructor with a newbie. “Never start with the head, the victim gets all fuzzy.” Can’t believe I missed that. Thanks!)
(And I ALSO just realized — The Joker uses The Russian’s dogs against him, and later sics them on Batman. Just like the pictures from Abu Ghraib of the prisoners being terrified by dogs)
Batman and DC were getting all the kudos and Marvel Studios was just getting off the ground with Iron Man. How the worm turns...
In retrospect, you can see the "grimdark" aspects of Dark Knight that ended up getting done to death in subsequent DC movies. Heath is great as the Joker of course, but I think the story and movie haven't dated as well. Lots of the now-patented Chris Nolan "I'm going to have my characters explain the plot and/or themes of the movie in every scene" bits.
Your Mom is named Martha too? Ugh. And the last Joker by Leto was just so over done.
I didn't find it overdone at all. The Joker is really a manic psychotic and much darker than even the Ledger version.
moments in the dark knight, and the writing/dialogue was retarded at points, but it was nowhere near as bad as the disaster that followed: the dark knight rises.. what a mess that was.. that all said, the whole nolan trilogy missed the mark for me (grew up a big batman/comic book kid so i perhaps have impossibly high standards for batman films).
Down all the characters in advance like Marvel has done. Katie Holmes should have been forced to be in the Dark Knight. Switching actresses was jarring and distracting.
Then the shit being put out today must be mind blowingly horrible.
I enjoy the Marvel movies, and they’ve progressively gotten better over time, but none of them hold a candle to the Batman trilogy under Nolan.
People can knit pick all they want, but I will always appreciate the limited amount of CGI Nolan put out there.
Didn’t you know it’s the popular thing to do to shit on every “big thing” show/movie here on BBI by its resident critics? Game of Thrones, Star Wars... you name it... it sucks!!
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and thinking it wasn’t as good as it was billed as.
TDK, good movie. Great movie? Not for me. So how’s that shitting on it? TDKR though I am shitting on and I stand by it. Nolan’s weakest film of his career, terrible CGI, and a jumbled mess of a story capped off by a villain who completely underwhelmed.
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Then the shit being put out today must be mind blowingly horrible.
I enjoy the Marvel movies, and they’ve progressively gotten better over time, but none of them hold a candle to the Batman trilogy under Nolan.
People can knit pick all they want, but I will always appreciate the limited amount of CGI Nolan put out there.
Didn’t you know it’s the popular thing to do to shit on every “big thing” show/movie here on BBI by its resident critics? Game of Thrones, Star Wars... you name it... it sucks!!
I didn't realize that there were so many hipsters on BBI. Personally I really enjoyed the trilogy. Sure there were some issues with the movies but overall it was very well done IMO.
RE: RE: RE: Geez, tough critics here, if TDK was such a bad movie, Â
Then the shit being put out today must be mind blowingly horrible.
I enjoy the Marvel movies, and they’ve progressively gotten better over time, but none of them hold a candle to the Batman trilogy under Nolan.
People can knit pick all they want, but I will always appreciate the limited amount of CGI Nolan put out there.
Didn’t you know it’s the popular thing to do to shit on every “big thing” show/movie here on BBI by its resident critics? Game of Thrones, Star Wars... you name it... it sucks!!
I didn't realize that there were so many hipsters on BBI. Personally I really enjoyed the trilogy. Sure there were some issues with the movies but overall it was very well done IMO.
Yeah it's ridiculous Jay. Meanwhile, professionals, who went to college for film, and review movies for a living for major publications are apparently all morons and continually get everything wrong. lol. The Dark Knight Rises (admittedly the weakest of the three) sits at 87% on RT, better than almost all of the Marvel movies (which I also like). Link - ( New Window )
The Dark Knight trilogy was substantially better Â
Then the shit being put out today must be mind blowingly horrible.
I enjoy the Marvel movies, and they’ve progressively gotten better over time, but none of them hold a candle to the Batman trilogy under Nolan.
People can knit pick all they want, but I will always appreciate the limited amount of CGI Nolan put out there.
Didn’t you know it’s the popular thing to do to shit on every “big thing” show/movie here on BBI by its resident critics? Game of Thrones, Star Wars... you name it... it sucks!!
I didn't realize that there were so many hipsters on BBI. Personally I really enjoyed the trilogy. Sure there were some issues with the movies but overall it was very well done IMO.
Yeah it's ridiculous Jay. Meanwhile, professionals, who went to college for film, and review movies for a living for major publications are apparently all morons and continually get everything wrong. lol. The Dark Knight Rises (admittedly the weakest of the three) sits at 87% on RT, better than almost all of the Marvel movies (which I also like). Link - ( New Window )
Jesus dude, you are just as bad as the “critics” you are mocking. Nothing worse than someone who quotes “professionals” when trying to make a point about art. We ridicule sports “professionals” for their take on stats, games, etc but when it comes to something even more subjective such as movies, I’m now supposed to treat what Roger Evert says as gospel?
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than any of the other DC movies. I finally saw Justice League the other day and it was absolutely awful.
Nolan added layers upon layers (in each of the movies) that just haven't been done to date since. I love the Marvel movies but they are all getting a bit formulaic and from a story telling standpoint they are pretty basic. They are still fun movies but TDK trilogy had a level of depth/maturity/intelligence we might not ever see again.
I think the new formula is to appeal to kids, but also funny enough that adults can have a good time too. TDK was NOT for kids.
RE: RE: The Dark Knight trilogy was substantially better Â
than any of the other DC movies. I finally saw Justice League the other day and it was absolutely awful.
Nolan added layers upon layers (in each of the movies) that just haven't been done to date since. I love the Marvel movies but they are all getting a bit formulaic and from a story telling standpoint they are pretty basic. They are still fun movies but TDK trilogy had a level of depth/maturity/intelligence we might not ever see again.
I think the new formula is to appeal to kids, but also funny enough that adults can have a good time too. TDK was NOT for kids.
I love the Marvel cinematic universe but you are right it is a completely format than TDK films. Marvel has done a great job of developing their characters with origin stories where DC rushed and just threw them together in Justice League. The DC universe if darker than Marvel which focuses on humor and emotions.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Geez, tough critics here, if TDK was such a bad movie, Â
Then the shit being put out today must be mind blowingly horrible.
I enjoy the Marvel movies, and they’ve progressively gotten better over time, but none of them hold a candle to the Batman trilogy under Nolan.
People can knit pick all they want, but I will always appreciate the limited amount of CGI Nolan put out there.
Didn’t you know it’s the popular thing to do to shit on every “big thing” show/movie here on BBI by its resident critics? Game of Thrones, Star Wars... you name it... it sucks!!
I didn't realize that there were so many hipsters on BBI. Personally I really enjoyed the trilogy. Sure there were some issues with the movies but overall it was very well done IMO.
Yeah it's ridiculous Jay. Meanwhile, professionals, who went to college for film, and review movies for a living for major publications are apparently all morons and continually get everything wrong. lol. The Dark Knight Rises (admittedly the weakest of the three) sits at 87% on RT, better than almost all of the Marvel movies (which I also like). Link - ( New Window )
Jesus dude, you are just as bad as the “critics” you are mocking. Nothing worse than someone who quotes “professionals” when trying to make a point about art. We ridicule sports “professionals” for their take on stats, games, etc but when it comes to something even more subjective such as movies, I’m now supposed to treat what Roger Evert says as gospel?
I used to have a level of respect for you but now I realize you are just a complete moron. You shouldn't care about what Roger Ebert's opinion was, nor should anybody consider one man's opinion, but by posting a RT score you can determine what the consensus was for every person that reviews movies for a living on the planet therefore making it relevant to a topic on BBI on how well a movie was received. You are entitled to your opinions, BBI handle guy, but Ill look to other sources to validate my beliefs.... and if we are having a discussion an overall consensus is relevant IMO. But you are the same guy that believes deGrom's "unahappiness" will lower his trade level.
I think it's best we just stick to our own opinions from now on and not engage.
I paid to see it in the theater. I wanted to like it because I liked the preceding Batman movie.
I couldn't believe how poor the dialogue was, and how dumb the story was. The interactions between Batman and the Joker were so bad as to border on farce. And the big moral dilemma about using cell phones to see through walls? Ugh.
I get that this movie is viewed through the lens of "It's good for a comic book movie" because comic book movies are stupid, but that doesn't make The Dark Knight anything other than a bad movie. It plays out like the screenplay and dialogue were written by people that breathe through gills.
and I love the site. I just won’t use it to win an argument because it’s a collection of subjective ratings. It’s no different than arguing about a restaurant based on Yelp scores.
You also misquote me on deGrom and then stopped responding once I called you out on it. Then the entire thread called you out on other stuff. Feel free to not respond to me anymore, no sweat off my sack. But I’ll call bullsht out when I see it.
If you enjoyed TDKR, that’s great. But mocking people who didn’t like it by saying “everyone’s a critic” while linking to a site full of critics is a bit hypocritical. And by a bit I mean very.
I always hear everyone talk about how dark DC is. Granted I'm not a comic book guy, but I'm not sure I see it. Outside of the Batman stories, which other ones are dark?
and I love the site. I just won’t use it to win an argument because it’s a collection of subjective ratings. It’s no different than arguing about a restaurant based on Yelp scores.
You also misquote me on deGrom and then stopped responding once I called you out on it. Then the entire thread called you out on other stuff. Feel free to not respond to me anymore, no sweat off my sack. But I’ll call bullsht out when I see it.
If you enjoyed TDKR, that’s great. But mocking people who didn’t like it by saying “everyone’s a critic” while linking to a site full of critics is a bit hypocritical. And by a bit I mean very.
Did the deGrom news go away yet?
I stopped responding? You actually stopped responding the night of the conversation and responded the next day and I was nowhere near BBI the entire next day... I know... Hard to imagine. As for people calling me out? A couple people called me Bagdad or something and another wanted to know why. Yeah... riveting stuff. Reading the entire thread over I feel I handled myself pretty well in light of being attacked by 4-5 Yankee fans at once. deGrom has already "clarified" his statement today BTW, trying to say he "really wants to be a Met" but I told you in the thread it likely would remain news for roughly a week and it will.
Im not going to hijack this thread though over UCONN Â
though some parts of it have not held up so well. First things first though, Ledger's performance remains legendary and is by far the best part of the movie. All the best scenes in the movie involve him (opening scene bank robbery, disappearing pencil, escape from prison, etc).
That said, most of the flaws usually found in Nolan films are present here. The plot, especially at the end, is absolutely nonsensical. Cell phones, the ferry, bombs, the end really does not work.
Maggie Gyllenhall is just flat out annoying. She's a good actress but it did not work in this one and the switch in actresses is very distracting.
I remember thinking at the time, and it still was the case upon re-watching, Ledger almost overshadows the rest of the movie. He's so good that I got bored with every scene that he wasn't in.
It was such a spectacle at the time, and it was deserved. But there are flaws. However, as with most Nolan movies, I can look past those flaws and still appreciate the spectacle.
clearly the third best among the trilogy, and again an absolute mess of a plot. But I still enjoy Bane. The underground fight scene and speech is a great re-watch.
Begins is probably the best pure film, and surely the best performance by Bale. TDK is the most memorable, with an iconic performance. And there were enough good scenes in TDKR to keep me content. By 3rd film standards anyway, it's not so bad. Link - ( New Window )
and thinking it wasn’t as good as it was billed as.
TDK, good movie. Great movie? Not for me. So how’s that shitting on it? TDKR though I am shitting on and I stand by it. Nolan’s weakest film of his career, terrible CGI, and a jumbled mess of a story capped off by a villain who completely underwhelmed.
I guess I just came out of each Batman movie just sort of mesmerized. I just think the way Nolan builds up tension and angst, didn’t go overboard with the CGI, and the storytelling was outstanding. I’m not going to pretend like he told a perfect story, but for a comic book movie, I was glued to my seat thru all three.
And I too was a fan of Bane, thought he nailed it.
RE: Im not going to hijack this thread though over UCONN Â
with your usual condescending bullshit towards anyone who doesn’t share your opinion on something subjective. You come completely unhinged when someone thinks something you like, sucks. It’s comical, and you are known for just that on BBI.
Also, your quote below from the deGrom thread:
“Once again, I dont like the way they handled things and I dont think they have any leverage. This will blow over by tomorrow and there is literally noting deGrom can do about it but deGrom could have handled this better IMO.”
It didn’t blow over and won’t for a while. Are you ever wrong?
But wow.. 10 years ago already?
The script was a ridiculous mess.
Ledger was great.
In retrospect, you can see the "grimdark" aspects of Dark Knight that ended up getting done to death in subsequent DC movies. Heath is great as the Joker of course, but I think the story and movie haven't dated as well. Lots of the now-patented Chris Nolan "I'm going to have my characters explain the plot and/or themes of the movie in every scene" bits.
The movie was okay, and I thought his performance was good.
This right here... the whole trilogy
10 years, seems like just yesterday. Time flies.
Getting the crime organization's money guy back in U.S. jurisdiction from China, the ruthless terrorism employed by the Joker, the addition of a second villain in Harvey Dent, the murder of Rachel, the tapping of private phones of the citizenry for the limited purpose of catching a terrorist, and the public vilification of the hero for the public good?
This is WAAAY beyond your average hero movie.
In retrospect, you can see the "grimdark" aspects of Dark Knight that ended up getting done to death in subsequent DC movies. Heath is great as the Joker of course, but I think the story and movie haven't dated as well. Lots of the now-patented Chris Nolan "I'm going to have my characters explain the plot and/or themes of the movie in every scene" bits.
Your Mom is named Martha too? Ugh. And the last Joker by Leto was just so over done.
"I took Gotham's 'white knight' and I brought him down to our level. It wasn't hard. See, madness, as you know, is like gravity: all it takes is a little push!"
overrated to some but the standard for me
Two months ago, Patton Oswalt posted this interesting opinion on his facebook page about The Joker's past
May 12 ·
I’ve always liked the theory that Heath Ledger’s Joker in Christopher Nolan’s DARK KNIGHT is a war veteran suffering PTSD. His referencing a “truckload of soldiers” getting blown up, his ease with military hardware, and his tactical ingenuity and precision planning all feel like an ex-Special Forces soldier returned stateside and dishing out payback. I love films that contain enough thought and shading to sustain post-screening theorizing like this.
But I just re-watched THE DARK KNIGHT, and another wrinkle came to mind about The Joker.
What if he’s not only ex-military, but ex-military intelligence?
Specifically — interrogation?
He seems to be very good at the kind of mind-fuckery that sustained, professional interrogation requires. His boast about how “I know the squealers” when he sees one. The way he adjusts his personality and methods depending on who he’s talking to, and knowing EXACTLY the reaction he’ll get: mocking Gamble’s manhood; invoking terror to Brian, the “false” Batman; teasing the policeman’s sense of loyalty to his fallen, fellow cops; digging into Gordon’s isolation; appealing to Harvey Dent’s hunger for “fairness.” He even conducts a “reverse interrogation” with Batman when he’s in the box at the police station — wanting to see how “far” Batman will go, trying to make him break his “one rule.” He constantly changes his backstory (and thus who he is). To Gamble and his henchmen, he’s an abused child (figuring that they were also the products of abuse and neglect). To Rachel, he’s a man mourning a tragic love — something she’s also wrestling with.
In the end, he ends up trying to mind-fuck an entire city — and the city calls his bluff. Or is that what he wanted all along? He plummets to his seeming death, laughing like a child. And when he’s rescued by Batman, the one individual he couldn’t manipulate or break, he’s blissful and relieved (and, visually, turned on his head). Even the language he uses when saying goodbye to Batman — describing their relationship as an “irresistible force meeting an immovable object” — is the kind of thing an interrogator would say, ruefully, about a fruitless session.
It didn’t matter how he got those scars, turns out.
(*As Cody Glive points out, in a comment below, The Joker also “directs” Batman’s interrogation of him, like an instructor with a newbie. “Never start with the head, the victim gets all fuzzy.” Can’t believe I missed that. Thanks!)
(And I ALSO just realized — The Joker uses The Russian’s dogs against him, and later sics them on Batman. Just like the pictures from Abu Ghraib of the prisoners being terrified by dogs)
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Batman and DC were getting all the kudos and Marvel Studios was just getting off the ground with Iron Man. How the worm turns...
In retrospect, you can see the "grimdark" aspects of Dark Knight that ended up getting done to death in subsequent DC movies. Heath is great as the Joker of course, but I think the story and movie haven't dated as well. Lots of the now-patented Chris Nolan "I'm going to have my characters explain the plot and/or themes of the movie in every scene" bits.
Your Mom is named Martha too? Ugh. And the last Joker by Leto was just so over done.
That's how the world works. It sucks.
I enjoy the Marvel movies, and they’ve progressively gotten better over time, but none of them hold a candle to the Batman trilogy under Nolan.
People can knit pick all they want, but I will always appreciate the limited amount of CGI Nolan put out there.
I enjoy the Marvel movies, and they’ve progressively gotten better over time, but none of them hold a candle to the Batman trilogy under Nolan.
People can knit pick all they want, but I will always appreciate the limited amount of CGI Nolan put out there.
Didn’t you know it’s the popular thing to do to shit on every “big thing” show/movie here on BBI by its resident critics? Game of Thrones, Star Wars... you name it... it sucks!!
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TDK, good movie. Great movie? Not for me. So how’s that shitting on it? TDKR though I am shitting on and I stand by it. Nolan’s weakest film of his career, terrible CGI, and a jumbled mess of a story capped off by a villain who completely underwhelmed.
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Then the shit being put out today must be mind blowingly horrible.
I enjoy the Marvel movies, and they’ve progressively gotten better over time, but none of them hold a candle to the Batman trilogy under Nolan.
People can knit pick all they want, but I will always appreciate the limited amount of CGI Nolan put out there.
Didn’t you know it’s the popular thing to do to shit on every “big thing” show/movie here on BBI by its resident critics? Game of Thrones, Star Wars... you name it... it sucks!!
I didn't realize that there were so many hipsters on BBI. Personally I really enjoyed the trilogy. Sure there were some issues with the movies but overall it was very well done IMO.
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Then the shit being put out today must be mind blowingly horrible.
I enjoy the Marvel movies, and they’ve progressively gotten better over time, but none of them hold a candle to the Batman trilogy under Nolan.
People can knit pick all they want, but I will always appreciate the limited amount of CGI Nolan put out there.
Didn’t you know it’s the popular thing to do to shit on every “big thing” show/movie here on BBI by its resident critics? Game of Thrones, Star Wars... you name it... it sucks!!
I didn't realize that there were so many hipsters on BBI. Personally I really enjoyed the trilogy. Sure there were some issues with the movies but overall it was very well done IMO.
Yeah it's ridiculous Jay. Meanwhile, professionals, who went to college for film, and review movies for a living for major publications are apparently all morons and continually get everything wrong. lol. The Dark Knight Rises (admittedly the weakest of the three) sits at 87% on RT, better than almost all of the Marvel movies (which I also like).
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Then the shit being put out today must be mind blowingly horrible.
I enjoy the Marvel movies, and they’ve progressively gotten better over time, but none of them hold a candle to the Batman trilogy under Nolan.
People can knit pick all they want, but I will always appreciate the limited amount of CGI Nolan put out there.
Didn’t you know it’s the popular thing to do to shit on every “big thing” show/movie here on BBI by its resident critics? Game of Thrones, Star Wars... you name it... it sucks!!
I didn't realize that there were so many hipsters on BBI. Personally I really enjoyed the trilogy. Sure there were some issues with the movies but overall it was very well done IMO.
Yeah it's ridiculous Jay. Meanwhile, professionals, who went to college for film, and review movies for a living for major publications are apparently all morons and continually get everything wrong. lol. The Dark Knight Rises (admittedly the weakest of the three) sits at 87% on RT, better than almost all of the Marvel movies (which I also like). Link - ( New Window )
Jesus dude, you are just as bad as the “critics” you are mocking. Nothing worse than someone who quotes “professionals” when trying to make a point about art. We ridicule sports “professionals” for their take on stats, games, etc but when it comes to something even more subjective such as movies, I’m now supposed to treat what Roger Evert says as gospel?
Nolan added layers upon layers (in each of the movies) that just haven't been done to date since. I love the Marvel movies but they are all getting a bit formulaic and from a story telling standpoint they are pretty basic. They are still fun movies but TDK trilogy had a level of depth/maturity/intelligence we might not ever see again.
I think the new formula is to appeal to kids, but also funny enough that adults can have a good time too. TDK was NOT for kids.
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than any of the other DC movies. I finally saw Justice League the other day and it was absolutely awful.
Nolan added layers upon layers (in each of the movies) that just haven't been done to date since. I love the Marvel movies but they are all getting a bit formulaic and from a story telling standpoint they are pretty basic. They are still fun movies but TDK trilogy had a level of depth/maturity/intelligence we might not ever see again.
I think the new formula is to appeal to kids, but also funny enough that adults can have a good time too. TDK was NOT for kids.
I love the Marvel cinematic universe but you are right it is a completely format than TDK films. Marvel has done a great job of developing their characters with origin stories where DC rushed and just threw them together in Justice League. The DC universe if darker than Marvel which focuses on humor and emotions.
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Then the shit being put out today must be mind blowingly horrible.
I enjoy the Marvel movies, and they’ve progressively gotten better over time, but none of them hold a candle to the Batman trilogy under Nolan.
People can knit pick all they want, but I will always appreciate the limited amount of CGI Nolan put out there.
Didn’t you know it’s the popular thing to do to shit on every “big thing” show/movie here on BBI by its resident critics? Game of Thrones, Star Wars... you name it... it sucks!!
I didn't realize that there were so many hipsters on BBI. Personally I really enjoyed the trilogy. Sure there were some issues with the movies but overall it was very well done IMO.
Yeah it's ridiculous Jay. Meanwhile, professionals, who went to college for film, and review movies for a living for major publications are apparently all morons and continually get everything wrong. lol. The Dark Knight Rises (admittedly the weakest of the three) sits at 87% on RT, better than almost all of the Marvel movies (which I also like). Link - ( New Window )
Jesus dude, you are just as bad as the “critics” you are mocking. Nothing worse than someone who quotes “professionals” when trying to make a point about art. We ridicule sports “professionals” for their take on stats, games, etc but when it comes to something even more subjective such as movies, I’m now supposed to treat what Roger Evert says as gospel?
I used to have a level of respect for you but now I realize you are just a complete moron. You shouldn't care about what Roger Ebert's opinion was, nor should anybody consider one man's opinion, but by posting a RT score you can determine what the consensus was for every person that reviews movies for a living on the planet therefore making it relevant to a topic on BBI on how well a movie was received. You are entitled to your opinions, BBI handle guy, but Ill look to other sources to validate my beliefs.... and if we are having a discussion an overall consensus is relevant IMO. But you are the same guy that believes deGrom's "unahappiness" will lower his trade level.
I think it's best we just stick to our own opinions from now on and not engage.
I couldn't believe how poor the dialogue was, and how dumb the story was. The interactions between Batman and the Joker were so bad as to border on farce. And the big moral dilemma about using cell phones to see through walls? Ugh.
I get that this movie is viewed through the lens of "It's good for a comic book movie" because comic book movies are stupid, but that doesn't make The Dark Knight anything other than a bad movie. It plays out like the screenplay and dialogue were written by people that breathe through gills.
You also misquote me on deGrom and then stopped responding once I called you out on it. Then the entire thread called you out on other stuff. Feel free to not respond to me anymore, no sweat off my sack. But I’ll call bullsht out when I see it.
If you enjoyed TDKR, that’s great. But mocking people who didn’t like it by saying “everyone’s a critic” while linking to a site full of critics is a bit hypocritical. And by a bit I mean very.
Did the deGrom news go away yet?
You also misquote me on deGrom and then stopped responding once I called you out on it. Then the entire thread called you out on other stuff. Feel free to not respond to me anymore, no sweat off my sack. But I’ll call bullsht out when I see it.
If you enjoyed TDKR, that’s great. But mocking people who didn’t like it by saying “everyone’s a critic” while linking to a site full of critics is a bit hypocritical. And by a bit I mean very.
Did the deGrom news go away yet?
I stopped responding? You actually stopped responding the night of the conversation and responded the next day and I was nowhere near BBI the entire next day... I know... Hard to imagine. As for people calling me out? A couple people called me Bagdad or something and another wanted to know why. Yeah... riveting stuff. Reading the entire thread over I feel I handled myself pretty well in light of being attacked by 4-5 Yankee fans at once. deGrom has already "clarified" his statement today BTW, trying to say he "really wants to be a Met" but I told you in the thread it likely would remain news for roughly a week and it will.
That said, most of the flaws usually found in Nolan films are present here. The plot, especially at the end, is absolutely nonsensical. Cell phones, the ferry, bombs, the end really does not work.
Maggie Gyllenhall is just flat out annoying. She's a good actress but it did not work in this one and the switch in actresses is very distracting.
I remember thinking at the time, and it still was the case upon re-watching, Ledger almost overshadows the rest of the movie. He's so good that I got bored with every scene that he wasn't in.
It was such a spectacle at the time, and it was deserved. But there are flaws. However, as with most Nolan movies, I can look past those flaws and still appreciate the spectacle.
Begins is probably the best pure film, and surely the best performance by Bale. TDK is the most memorable, with an iconic performance. And there were enough good scenes in TDKR to keep me content. By 3rd film standards anyway, it's not so bad.
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TDK, good movie. Great movie? Not for me. So how’s that shitting on it? TDKR though I am shitting on and I stand by it. Nolan’s weakest film of his career, terrible CGI, and a jumbled mess of a story capped off by a villain who completely underwhelmed.
I guess I just came out of each Batman movie just sort of mesmerized. I just think the way Nolan builds up tension and angst, didn’t go overboard with the CGI, and the storytelling was outstanding. I’m not going to pretend like he told a perfect story, but for a comic book movie, I was glued to my seat thru all three.
And I too was a fan of Bane, thought he nailed it.
Kind of predictable that ZGiants98 would be sensitive regarding the Dark Knight being traded. Hiyoooooooooo.
Also, your quote below from the deGrom thread:
“Once again, I dont like the way they handled things and I dont think they have any leverage. This will blow over by tomorrow and there is literally noting deGrom can do about it but deGrom could have handled this better IMO.”
It didn’t blow over and won’t for a while. Are you ever wrong?
I agree, which is why Begins was my favorite of the three. Couldn’t ask for a better intro of Bruce Wayne, IMO.