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NFT: Spurs-Raptors finalizing trade swapping Kawhi & DeRozan...

SFGFNCGiantsFan : 7/18/2018 5:34 am
Per ESPN.

"Leonard and DeRozan are both aware that an agreement could be imminent, and neither is expressing enthusiasm for the deal, league sources said."
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Oh. Spurs would do it? Yes.  
KWALL2 : 7/18/2018 12:06 pm : link
They should jump on thta deal if offered. Lakers should not offer it.
RE: ďkuzma and ingram and a pick ď  
Amtoft : 7/18/2018 12:07 pm : link
In comment 14015488 KWALL2 said:
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For Leonard? That would be a mistake for LA. Stick with Kuzma and Ingram.


I wouldn't trade Ingram for Leonard straight up. Ball and Kuzma sure, but not Leonard.
celtics about to pay smart  
nygiants16 : 7/18/2018 12:08 pm : link
4 years 50 million according to woj...

if they keep irving, they are going to have a monster payroll soon..

12 million a year for a backup?
RE: RE: ďkuzma and ingram and a pick ď  
Amtoft : 7/18/2018 12:09 pm : link
In comment 14015503 Amtoft said:
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In comment 14015488 KWALL2 said:


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For Leonard? That would be a mistake for LA. Stick with Kuzma and Ingram.



I wouldn't trade Ingram for Leonard straight up. Ball and Kuzma sure, but not Leonard.


To clarify because there is no guarantee Leonard stays or is healthy not because he isn't worth the trade. He is way better than Ingram but that is to much to give up for the risk. Ingram made huge strides last year and should continue to be really good.
Ingram  
MookGiants : 7/18/2018 12:11 pm : link
is overrated. Put up a ton of empty stats on a bad team.
RE: you guys are crazy  
Strahan91 : 7/18/2018 12:11 pm : link
In comment 14015498 Amtoft said:
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They traded away their all-star player that is the main reason they were the #1 seed in the East. He helped them win more than anyone else on that team. They do this when Lebron James is finally gone and Cleveland has been the one who has knocked them out of the playoffs 3 straight years. They also gave up a young player who may develop and a possible 1st round pick for a guy that won't stay no matter what. He may not even play for them. So unless they trade Leonard now to like the Lakers or another team for young players this makes no sense. In fact with Lebron gone now this was their best chance to make the finals and they blew it up! You won't sign a better player for 27 mil a year that contract is a good deal. He was also super loyal and well loved there. This was a horrible deal for Toronto.


Leonard is a significantly better player than DeRozan. If you think the main piece to the deal is competing in Lebron's absence to get to the finals than it's a no brainer. DeRozan is not a good defensive player and is especially a terrible man defender. Leonard is one of the best defensive players in the game. He's as good if not better on offense and can actually shoot from 3 unlike DeRozan. DeRozan is a good player but Kawhi is a great one.
RE: Lack of development is attributed to one thing...  
Rflairr : 7/18/2018 12:16 pm : link
In comment 14015448 dep026 said:
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And until minny gets rid of Thibs, itís going to still happen.


They blamed the development on the previous coaches. When does it stop
RE: Ingram  
Rflairr : 7/18/2018 12:16 pm : link
In comment 14015506 MookGiants said:
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is overrated. Put up a ton of empty stats on a bad team.


lol clearly havenít actually watched him play
Ingram  
KWALL2 : 7/18/2018 12:17 pm : link
Is a go to player and heís only 20. Overrated? Stats on a bad team? Not true. Not close.

He can get by anybody and finish. If he puts in the work heíll be an all star. Heís already close.
RE: Ingram  
Rflairr : 7/18/2018 12:19 pm : link
In comment 14015513 KWALL2 said:
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Is a go to player and heís only 20. Overrated? Stats on a bad team? Not true. Not close.

He can get by anybody and finish. If he puts in the work heíll be an all star. Heís already close.


Mook always comes with his Lakers hate. The Ingram comment was so damn idiotic it didnít really deserve a response
I hate the Lakers  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 7/18/2018 12:26 pm : link
But Ingram is a helluva player.
RE: Ingram  
Kyle in NY : 7/18/2018 12:33 pm : link
In comment 14015506 MookGiants said:
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is overrated. Put up a ton of empty stats on a bad team.


What does that even mean? Ingram made big strides last season, he's a future all star
Huh  
dep026 : 7/18/2018 12:43 pm : link
Ingram isnít even close to being an all star.

16-5-4 are nice numbers and he maybe an all star one day. But you have guys averaging well over 20 that were snubbed. Chris Paul and Paul George didnít make it last year. Blake griffin averaged 23/8/5.

Brandon Ingram doesnít shoot and with lonzo/lebron controlling the ball... expect him not to get as good as he could be.
I agree  
Pep22 : 7/18/2018 12:51 pm : link
-Ingram made major strides last year, has a bright future
-Is not currently near all star status and near term progress may be hurt by LAL having such an abundance of ball handlers
"Future"  
Kyle in NY : 7/18/2018 12:52 pm : link
being the key word there. There's a lot of upside still for him to reach. Yes, I think he'll be an all star eventually
He shot 39% from 3 last season  
Kyle in NY : 7/18/2018 12:54 pm : link
on almost two attempts per game. The season before it was 29%. He's already progressing as a shooter.
RE: It's the smart decision, why trade your young assets when you can just  
djm : 7/18/2018 12:55 pm : link
In comment 14015290 arniefez said:
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wait until he's a free agent. Because only Jim Dolan would do that?


Great insight. Keep saying the same shit over and over again.
RE: He shot 39% from 3 last season  
nygiants16 : 7/18/2018 1:00 pm : link
In comment 14015544 Kyle in NY said:
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on almost two attempts per game. The season before it was 29%. He's already progressing as a shooter.



taking less 3s per game and maming the same amount doesnt mean he is progressing as a shooter, just meams he took less 3s last year
Melo rumor  
Pep22 : 7/18/2018 1:09 pm : link
Melo to ATL for Schroeder/Muscala
RE: Melo rumor  
nygiants16 : 7/18/2018 1:10 pm : link
In comment 14015549 Pep22 said:
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Melo to ATL for Schroeder/Muscala


why would okc take on schroeder and that ckntract for him to bitch and moan coming off the bench and playing 20 minutes a night
Agreed  
Pep22 : 7/18/2018 1:13 pm : link
I find that very strange
RE: Melo rumor  
Rflairr : 7/18/2018 1:19 pm : link
In comment 14015549 Pep22 said:
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Melo to ATL for Schroeder/Muscala


That should be fun. Schroederís problem is he wants to shoot more than facilitate. Him and Westbrook might actually fight on the court
Yeah, Schroder has that Reggie Jackson vibe to him  
bceagle05 : 7/18/2018 1:25 pm : link
that rubbed Westbrook and Durant the wrong way.
RE: He shot 39% from 3 last season  
dep026 : 7/18/2018 2:00 pm : link
In comment 14015544 Kyle in NY said:
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on almost two attempts per game. The season before it was 29%. He's already progressing as a shooter.


He made .9 Threes a game last year. Not a shooter.
...  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 7/18/2018 2:05 pm : link
I have no idea why anybody would want Melo. Not only is he all but done, he's going to bitch about coming off the bench.
RE: ...  
dep026 : 7/18/2018 2:09 pm : link
In comment 14015581 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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I have no idea why anybody would want Melo. Not only is he all but done, he's going to bitch about coming off the bench.


Cause itís only 1 more year. Schroeder is a cancer and has more years left.
RE: ...  
nygiants16 : 7/18/2018 2:12 pm : link
In comment 14015581 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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I have no idea why anybody would want Melo. Not only is he all but done, he's going to bitch about coming off the bench.


they would buy him out and schroeder is a crazy person and they just drafted trae young
RE: RE: He shot 39% from 3 last season  
Kyle in NY : 7/18/2018 2:15 pm : link
In comment 14015577 dep026 said:
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on almost two attempts per game. The season before it was 29%. He's already progressing as a shooter.



He made .9 Threes a game last year. Not a shooter.


I liked this piece on Ingram. Probably articulates the case better than I could and saves me from pounding my head against a brick wall

He's 20 years old. He's hardly a finished product but he showed a ton of potential last season
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I dont care about the numbers  
KWALL2 : 7/18/2018 3:44 pm : link
I'm talking about the player. He's a tough matchup and he developed a lot last year. He still needs work but just a little improvement he's an all star type player. I think he'll get there. Just too much physical ability.

Ingram will be the #2 on the Lakers.

If they dump Ball, they'll win a lot of games. 2nd or 3rd seed.
RE: RE: you guys are crazy  
Amtoft : 7/18/2018 3:45 pm : link
In comment 14015507 Strahan91 said:
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They traded away their all-star player that is the main reason they were the #1 seed in the East. He helped them win more than anyone else on that team. They do this when Lebron James is finally gone and Cleveland has been the one who has knocked them out of the playoffs 3 straight years. They also gave up a young player who may develop and a possible 1st round pick for a guy that won't stay no matter what. He may not even play for them. So unless they trade Leonard now to like the Lakers or another team for young players this makes no sense. In fact with Lebron gone now this was their best chance to make the finals and they blew it up! You won't sign a better player for 27 mil a year that contract is a good deal. He was also super loyal and well loved there. This was a horrible deal for Toronto.



Leonard is a significantly better player than DeRozan. If you think the main piece to the deal is competing in Lebron's absence to get to the finals than it's a no brainer. DeRozan is not a good defensive player and is especially a terrible man defender. Leonard is one of the best defensive players in the game. He's as good if not better on offense and can actually shoot from 3 unlike DeRozan. DeRozan is a good player but Kawhi is a great one.


And if he doesn't play all season or for most of it? You just gave up 3 years of DeRozan your best player. He won't resign and now who are you signing next year. Who is itching to go to Toronto after they just dumped the one player that showed them love and stayed instead of leaving. Doesn't make sense at all.
actually it makes a ton of sense  
nygiants16 : 7/18/2018 3:50 pm : link
their cap is basically cleaned after next year now, with derozon they went as far as they were going to go...

they decided to go fornit 1 more year, if kawhi leaves they can completely tear it down and rebuild...
The thing about Ingram  
Amtoft : 7/18/2018 3:51 pm : link
is he can also play 1 through 4. He did great running the point and also played PF in a smaller lineup. A little more size and will be even better.
RE: actually it makes a ton of sense  
Amtoft : 7/18/2018 3:52 pm : link
In comment 14015657 nygiants16 said:
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their cap is basically cleaned after next year now, with derozon they went as far as they were going to go...

they decided to go fornit 1 more year, if kawhi leaves they can completely tear it down and rebuild...


with who? People aren't dying to head to Toronto.
RE: RE: actually it makes a ton of sense  
nygiants16 : 7/18/2018 3:57 pm : link
In comment 14015660 Amtoft said:
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their cap is basically cleaned after next year now, with derozon they went as far as they were going to go...

they decided to go fornit 1 more year, if kawhi leaves they can completely tear it down and rebuild...



with who? People aren't dying to head to Toronto.


it is called drafting them..
RUmored Melo trade  
GMEN46 : 7/18/2018 4:52 pm : link
Would only save okc $7mm plus they have to fill out a few roster spots still. I can imagine them doing that.
RE: RE: RE: actually it makes a ton of sense  
Amtoft : 7/18/2018 6:34 pm : link
In comment 14015663 nygiants16 said:
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In comment 14015657 nygiants16 said:


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their cap is basically cleaned after next year now, with derozon they went as far as they were going to go...

they decided to go fornit 1 more year, if kawhi leaves they can completely tear it down and rebuild...



with who? People aren't dying to head to Toronto.



it is called drafting them..


Why would you need to clear a bunch of cap room for draft picks? Plus they gave up a pick! And if you are relying on only draft picks you are going to be in trouble.
RE: LOL...  
dpinzow : 7/18/2018 7:09 pm : link
In comment 14015297 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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I really could see Kawhi saying, 'F*ck this. I'm not going to Toronto.' & sitting out the entire season. It's not out of the realm of possibility. Apparently he was seriously considering doing that if he wasn't traded. I don't think Toronto is where he wanted to go.


Kawhi has to go for it this year. Heíll basically miss two complete seasons otherwise
RE: they can win  
dpinzow : 7/18/2018 7:19 pm : link
In comment 14015474 MookGiants said:
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70 games, they still aren't sniffing a title.

Without injuries, they have as much chance to beat the Warriors as the Knicks do. Zero

I dont think they punted trying to get Kawhi, I think the Spurs were never going to trade him there. Popovich isn't letting a player dictate everything


Popovich detests the Lakers and was never trading his star player there in a million years
knicms have to clear more cap space  
nygiants16 : 7/18/2018 7:25 pm : link
have to be able to pair two guys with kp next year...

report that kawhi is talking to other free agents who want to team up...

Leonard is off the players I root for list  
UConn4523 : 7/18/2018 7:39 pm : link
but he could win me back if he sits out the year. There's turning heel and then there TURNING HEEL. If he did it atleast he'd be putting his money where his mouth is.

Agreed on the Lakers, Pop was never doing that.
Michael Porter Jr. had another back surgery.  
bceagle05 : 7/18/2018 7:50 pm : link
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RE: Michael Porter Jr. had another back surgery.  
nygiants16 : 7/18/2018 7:51 pm : link
In comment 14015791 bceagle05 said:
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thank god knicks didnt draft him
He's such a good GM  
ghost718 : 7/18/2018 8:22 pm : link
That tomorrow you're gonna be working in Alaska

Or Canada

So dress warm
Marcus Smart rumored deal to stay in Boston  
BigBlue4You09 : 7/18/2018 8:23 pm : link
4 years $50M. Sounds about right, market was not strong for him
RE: The Lakers will probably end up with the  
santacruzom : 7/18/2018 8:40 pm : link
In comment 14015277 dep026 said:
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3rd best record in the West. For as much talent as there in the West... itís pretty spread out. I donít see the spurs, thunder, pelicans, wolves, or blazers really threatening the top 3.


The Jazz very possibly could though.
RE: Marcus Smart rumored deal to stay in Boston  
nygiants16 : 7/18/2018 8:47 pm : link
In comment 14015818 BigBlue4You09 said:
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4 years $50M. Sounds about right, market was not strong for him


surprised they gave him that much, they will have to pay irving or rozier next year...brown will be looking for an extension...

pauing a lot for a back up guard
RE: RE: Marcus Smart rumored deal to stay in Boston  
christian : 7/18/2018 10:44 pm : link
In comment 14015838 nygiants16 said:
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4 years $50M. Sounds about right, market was not strong for him



surprised they gave him that much, they will have to pay irving or rozier next year...brown will be looking for an extension...

pauing a lot for a back up guard


There is a more than good chance Irving leaves Boston. Smart can be the PG on a championship team if he's the 5th option. If Irving stays -- a starting PG for 12 a year is moveable.
They should trade rozier now  
dep026 : 7/18/2018 10:49 pm : link
When his value is at its highest.

Heís going to get massively overpaid.
RE: They should trade rozier now  
christian : 7/18/2018 10:57 pm : link
In comment 14015909 dep026 said:
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When his value is at its highest.

Heís going to get massively overpaid.


Normally I'd agree, but in this era of stars buddying up to join teams, an RFA is an asset. If he gets a massive offer let him go, but if Irving leaves and you go from stacked to thin at PG that's a major set back.
...  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 7/19/2018 6:39 am : link
Man, the Celts are shelling out a lot of $.
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