"Leonard and DeRozan are both aware that an agreement could be imminent, and neither is expressing enthusiasm for the deal, league sources said." Link - ( New Window )
Guess I need to see the full trade. Maybe they think DeRozan fits their team better with an older Aldridge, etc. I would want younger assets in return. I am not a Lonzo fan but I think I’d rather take a chance on him than a 28 year old DeRozan.
I guess part of it is probably just an “F you” to Kawhi. Don’t want to play for us? Fine, go to Canada. Although Toronto is a great city and that Raptors team would win a lot.
of real value. I'm shocked they're willing to punt a season of LeBron over Kuzma and/or Brandon Ingram.
It's the smart decision, why trade your young assets when you can just sign Kawhi in the offseason? Not like they won't be in the running for the Championship this season anyway. The Lakers won't beat GS but they will be in the playoffs
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It's the smart decision, why trade your young assets when you can just sign Kawhi in the offseason? Not like they won't be in the running for the Championship this season anyway. The Lakers won't beat GS but they will be in the playoffs
That's a great idea until Kawhi pulls a Paul George (remember, EVERYONE thought he was going to the Lakers) or Jerry West convinces him to sign with the Clips.
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of real value. I'm shocked they're willing to punt a season of LeBron over Kuzma and/or Brandon Ingram.
It's the smart decision, why trade your young assets when you can just sign Kawhi in the offseason? Not like they won't be in the running for the Championship this season anyway. The Lakers won't beat GS but they will be in the playoffs
lakers have zero chance at a championship this year, they may not even make the playoffs
Guess I need to see the full trade. Maybe they think DeRozan fits their team better with an older Aldridge, etc. I would want younger assets in return. I am not a Lonzo fan but I think I’d rather take a chance on him than a 28 year old DeRozan.
I guess part of it is probably just an “F you” to Kawhi. Don’t want to play for us? Fine, go to Canada. Although Toronto is a great city and that Raptors team would win a lot.
San Antonio probably looks at themselves as being close to contending. They won 47 games last year without Kawhi, now add DeRozan to that team and is it outlandish to think he brings them to 55 or so wins?
of real value. I'm shocked they're willing to punt a season of LeBron over Kuzma and/or Brandon Ingram.
It's the smart decision, why trade your young assets when you can just sign Kawhi in the offseason? Not like they won't be in the running for the Championship this season anyway. The Lakers won't beat GS but they will be in the playoffs
lakers have zero chance at a championship this year, they may not even make the playoffs
You make it sound like a fact? The Lakers are not that much worse than the Cavs, I would actually say they are a bit better and a bit deeper. They play in the West but they will make the playoffs. They are better than the Blazers, Wolves and Pelicans Imo.
but admittedly i am not a huge Derozan fan. They can make a legit finals run if Kawhi is healthy. And even if Kawhi walks (which he probably will) they can completely rebuild their roster after the following season. This will help them not get stuck in the middle ground as teams like BOS and PHI become the dominant east teams.
This is def good news for the Lakers though, i mean i just cant see Kawhi staying in TOR long term. I still agree that the lakers are dropping the ball here, Lebron is not in his mid twenties, not sure how many years you want to waste.
of real value. I'm shocked they're willing to punt a season of LeBron over Kuzma and/or Brandon Ingram.
It's the smart decision, why trade your young assets when you can just sign Kawhi in the offseason? Not like they won't be in the running for the Championship this season anyway. The Lakers won't beat GS but they will be in the playoffs
lakers have zero chance at a championship this year, they may not even make the playoffs
You make it sound like a fact? The Lakers are not that much worse than the Cavs, I would actually say they are a bit better and a bit deeper. They play in the West but they will make the playoffs. They are better than the Blazers, Wolves and Pelicans Imo.
umm yeah it is a fact they will not win a championship...
I think this is a great trade for spurs. I have always been a believer that Leonard is a product of a system versus actually being a superstar capable of carrying a team. Tom Duncan and company hid his weaknesses a bit. Plus he has a injury history and a very questionable work ethic based on what transpired last year.
Derozan also is a product of a system but I think organizations like the spurs always find a way to make the most of those players.
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of real value. I'm shocked they're willing to punt a season of LeBron over Kuzma and/or Brandon Ingram.
It's the smart decision, why trade your young assets when you can just sign Kawhi in the offseason? Not like they won't be in the running for the Championship this season anyway. The Lakers won't beat GS but they will be in the playoffs
lakers have zero chance at a championship this year, they may not even make the playoffs
GTFO. May not make playoffs lol. Maybe if lebron gets hurt.
of real value. I'm shocked they're willing to punt a season of LeBron over Kuzma and/or Brandon Ingram.
It's the smart decision, why trade your young assets when you can just sign Kawhi in the offseason? Not like they won't be in the running for the Championship this season anyway. The Lakers won't beat GS but they will be in the playoffs
lakers have zero chance at a championship this year, they may not even make the playoffs
GTFO. May not make playoffs lol. Maybe if lebron gets hurt.
ok they will make the playoffs but they are far from a contender and have zero chance at championship
and what happened with George that the Lakers didn’t cave. Even if Kawhi signs there Lebron will be 35 by the time the playoffs roll around in 2020. That leaves them a 1, maybe 2 year window to win a title? Even Lebron can’t defeat Father Time. Only Brady can and who knows what he’s putting in his body...
3rd best record in the West. For as much talent as there in the West... it’s pretty spread out. I don’t see the spurs, thunder, pelicans, wolves, or blazers really threatening the top 3.
doesnt make a whole lot of sense. Without him, not sure they can beat Houston. With him they can definitely challenge and possibly beat GS. LeBron is a freak, he's also no spring chicken. I can see the argument for waiting for KL's free agency but I don't agree with it. You're not playing for next year with LeBron at this stage. You should be trying to win 4 titles in a row.
I think the Thunder definitely can be better than the Lakers, Â
Kawhi is not going to the Lakers. If LA ends up being the final destination it will be with the Clippers. I don’t think he wants to play second fiddle to James. And Jerry West will end up, like he always does when in charge, building a very formidable team with the Clippers.
As for this trade, I won’t call it a done deal until Kawhi shows up. His uncle has polluted his mind, so I would not rule out more lunacy - like Kawhi not taking the physical, not even setting foot in Canada, and threatening to sit out the entire season. That’s how whacked Team Kawhi is...
It's the smart decision, why trade your young assets when you can just Â
If LAL has assembled as poor a structured team as many of us think (no shot blockers, minimal shooting, overstocked with facilitators), then wasting a year of what is left of LBJs prime isn't wise.
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I really could see Kawhi saying, 'F*ck this. I'm not going to Toronto.' & sitting out the entire season. It's not out of the realm of possibility. Apparently he was seriously considering doing that if he wasn't traded. I don't think Toronto is where he wanted to go.
but if raptors can get kawhi to at least show up and play like the top 5 player he is they ha e a good setup for 1 last run and then can break it up...
They ended up getting a nice return for him. DeRozan is a legitimate All-Star that should be even better playing for Pop, Poeltl is a nice young big that has shown some promise in limited minutes, and a first round pick for next year. Allows them to stay competitive now while also giving them tools to add to their future young core of Murray/Walker.
Yeah they lost Melo... but who did they sign to make their team better? You’re just replacing Melo’s shittiness with another less expensive one.
A folding chair would be a defensive improvement over Melo. A folding chair would probably be only slightly less efficient offensively than Melo. I wouldn't underestimate how much removing Melo from the team can improve them. Steven Adams certainly was no fan of Melo. They have Ferguson. Burton looked really good during the summer. They have enough stars. They have enough offense. They need PG to be more efficient and they need to play better defense.
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They ended up getting a nice return for him. DeRozan is a legitimate All-Star that should be even better playing for Pop, Poeltl is a nice young big that has shown some promise in limited minutes, and a first round pick for next year. Allows them to stay competitive now while also giving them tools to add to their future young core of Murray/Walker.
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They ended up getting a nice return for him. DeRozan is a legitimate All-Star that should be even better playing for Pop, Poeltl is a nice young big that has shown some promise in limited minutes, and a first round pick for next year. Allows them to stay competitive now while also giving them tools to add to their future young core of Murray/Walker.
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Unless Kawhi doesn't end up playing again this year for some reason, I don't see how the pick doesn't convey in 2019.
He’s going to miss two full seasons in his absolute physical prime? Would be insane and unprecedented. And I assume it would have some long term ramifications, I don’t know if you can just skip two years without losing something from your game.
Also my understanding is the Raptors wouldn’t have to pay him if he’s just sitting out, so he’s forgoing salary as well.
He’s going to miss two full seasons in his absolute physical prime? Would be insane and unprecedented. And I assume it would have some long term ramifications, I don’t know if you can just skip two years without losing something from your game.
Also my understanding is the Raptors wouldn’t have to pay him if he’s just sitting out, so he’s forgoing salary as well.
He’ll play.
Yeah, I think he'll probably play, but Kawhi is a strange bird from all we've seen.
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of real value. I'm shocked they're willing to punt a season of LeBron over Kuzma and/or Brandon Ingram.
It's the smart decision, why trade your young assets when you can just sign Kawhi in the offseason? Not like they won't be in the running for the Championship this season anyway. The Lakers won't beat GS but they will be in the playoffs
lakers have zero chance at a championship this year, they may not even make the playoffs
I think you seriously underestimate how good some of the Lakers young players are. Especially when you add Lebron to it. They won’t win a championship this season. But they’ll make the playoffs
I think they needed to learn a lesson from the Cavs last year and exercise extreme patience. This is a deal that could've waited until a week or two before camp opens. Perhaps the Lakers would've folded. Perhaps the Spurs were morons and placed trading Kawhi anywhere other than LA above the return they could get.
I like the trade for the Raps. Worse comes to worse, they got out from underneath a huge contract for a player who's not really elite. Poetl isn't special and the 2019 pick isn't going to be good and even if it is, the Spurs don't get it. Then there's a 2% chance Kawhi stays.
Yeah they lost Melo... but who did they sign to make their team better? You’re just replacing Melo’s shittiness with another less expensive one.
A folding chair would be a defensive improvement over Melo. A folding chair would probably be only slightly less efficient offensively than Melo. I wouldn't underestimate how much removing Melo from the team can improve them. Steven Adams certainly was no fan of Melo. They have Ferguson. Burton looked really good during the summer. They have enough stars. They have enough offense. They need PG to be more efficient and they need to play better defense.
I get that but those players have MASSIVE warts as well. Ferguson didn’t even look good in SL. At least when Melo was there teams accounted for him. When Roberson comes back... their offense actually becomes much worse.
One thing that everyone is forgetting about is that if Kawhi is back to normal kawhi and raptors get a strong sense that he will not resign then he will have good value at trade deadline. They can then trade him at trade deadline to Lakers for Expirings and a few players not named Ingram. So at the end of the day they rid themselves of derozans contract and could potentially end up with hart and Kuzma and a pick. I know derozan is an all star but I am not s huge fan. He is missing the it factor. Nice way to start a rebuild. Especially if clippers position themselves to make a run at Kawhi. Lakers will have to make the trade.
Yeah they lost Melo... but who did they sign to make their team better? You’re just replacing Melo’s shittiness with another less expensive one.
Probably but not for the reason you stated. Carmelo was abysmal, getting rid of him should make that entire team happy. Westbrook took the 3rd most attempts per game of his career last year, he’s shooting plenty and will be able to do that regardless of Carmelo Anthony.
Basically any player will be an upgrade for that team at this point.
will be able to get derozan to elevate his play in the postseason, especially on defense. and poeltl is a solid young centre who is going to thrive in that system.
as a raptors fan, not sure what to make of the deal - with LeBron out of the east and casey replaced, there seemed to be some potential with the existing roster to make a run. and leonard presents both an injury and holdout risk.
I guess part of it is probably just an “F you” to Kawhi. Don’t want to play for us? Fine, go to Canada. Although Toronto is a great city and that Raptors team would win a lot.
It's the smart decision, why trade your young assets when you can just sign Kawhi in the offseason? Not like they won't be in the running for the Championship this season anyway. The Lakers won't beat GS but they will be in the playoffs
It's the smart decision, why trade your young assets when you can just sign Kawhi in the offseason? Not like they won't be in the running for the Championship this season anyway. The Lakers won't beat GS but they will be in the playoffs
That's a great idea until Kawhi pulls a Paul George (remember, EVERYONE thought he was going to the Lakers) or Jerry West convinces him to sign with the Clips.
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of real value. I'm shocked they're willing to punt a season of LeBron over Kuzma and/or Brandon Ingram.
It's the smart decision, why trade your young assets when you can just sign Kawhi in the offseason? Not like they won't be in the running for the Championship this season anyway. The Lakers won't beat GS but they will be in the playoffs
lakers have zero chance at a championship this year, they may not even make the playoffs
I guess part of it is probably just an “F you” to Kawhi. Don’t want to play for us? Fine, go to Canada. Although Toronto is a great city and that Raptors team would win a lot.
San Antonio probably looks at themselves as being close to contending. They won 47 games last year without Kawhi, now add DeRozan to that team and is it outlandish to think he brings them to 55 or so wins?
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of real value. I'm shocked they're willing to punt a season of LeBron over Kuzma and/or Brandon Ingram.
It's the smart decision, why trade your young assets when you can just sign Kawhi in the offseason? Not like they won't be in the running for the Championship this season anyway. The Lakers won't beat GS but they will be in the playoffs
lakers have zero chance at a championship this year, they may not even make the playoffs
You make it sound like a fact? The Lakers are not that much worse than the Cavs, I would actually say they are a bit better and a bit deeper. They play in the West but they will make the playoffs. They are better than the Blazers, Wolves and Pelicans Imo.
This is def good news for the Lakers though, i mean i just cant see Kawhi staying in TOR long term. I still agree that the lakers are dropping the ball here, Lebron is not in his mid twenties, not sure how many years you want to waste.
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of real value. I'm shocked they're willing to punt a season of LeBron over Kuzma and/or Brandon Ingram.
It's the smart decision, why trade your young assets when you can just sign Kawhi in the offseason? Not like they won't be in the running for the Championship this season anyway. The Lakers won't beat GS but they will be in the playoffs
lakers have zero chance at a championship this year, they may not even make the playoffs
You make it sound like a fact? The Lakers are not that much worse than the Cavs, I would actually say they are a bit better and a bit deeper. They play in the West but they will make the playoffs. They are better than the Blazers, Wolves and Pelicans Imo.
umm yeah it is a fact they will not win a championship...
Derozan also is a product of a system but I think organizations like the spurs always find a way to make the most of those players.
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of real value. I'm shocked they're willing to punt a season of LeBron over Kuzma and/or Brandon Ingram.
It's the smart decision, why trade your young assets when you can just sign Kawhi in the offseason? Not like they won't be in the running for the Championship this season anyway. The Lakers won't beat GS but they will be in the playoffs
lakers have zero chance at a championship this year, they may not even make the playoffs
GTFO. May not make playoffs lol. Maybe if lebron gets hurt.
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of real value. I'm shocked they're willing to punt a season of LeBron over Kuzma and/or Brandon Ingram.
It's the smart decision, why trade your young assets when you can just sign Kawhi in the offseason? Not like they won't be in the running for the Championship this season anyway. The Lakers won't beat GS but they will be in the playoffs
lakers have zero chance at a championship this year, they may not even make the playoffs
GTFO. May not make playoffs lol. Maybe if lebron gets hurt.
ok they will make the playoffs but they are far from a contender and have zero chance at championship
As for this trade, I won’t call it a done deal until Kawhi shows up. His uncle has polluted his mind, so I would not rule out more lunacy - like Kawhi not taking the physical, not even setting foot in Canada, and threatening to sit out the entire season. That’s how whacked Team Kawhi is...
you mean like with paul george?
Yeah they lost Melo... but who did they sign to make their team better? You’re just replacing Melo’s shittiness with another less expensive one.
If LAL has assembled as poor a structured team as many of us think (no shot blockers, minimal shooting, overstocked with facilitators), then wasting a year of what is left of LBJs prime isn't wise.
good job by them to keep og
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Yeah they lost Melo... but who did they sign to make their team better? You’re just replacing Melo’s shittiness with another less expensive one.
A folding chair would be a defensive improvement over Melo. A folding chair would probably be only slightly less efficient offensively than Melo. I wouldn't underestimate how much removing Melo from the team can improve them. Steven Adams certainly was no fan of Melo. They have Ferguson. Burton looked really good during the summer. They have enough stars. They have enough offense. They need PG to be more efficient and they need to play better defense.
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They ended up getting a nice return for him. DeRozan is a legitimate All-Star that should be even better playing for Pop, Poeltl is a nice young big that has shown some promise in limited minutes, and a first round pick for next year. Allows them to stay competitive now while also giving them tools to add to their future young core of Murray/Walker.
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Unless Kawhi doesn't end up playing again this year for some reason, I don't see how the pick doesn't convey in 2019.
Also my understanding is the Raptors wouldn’t have to pay him if he’s just sitting out, so he’s forgoing salary as well.
He’ll play.
Also my understanding is the Raptors wouldn’t have to pay him if he’s just sitting out, so he’s forgoing salary as well.
He’ll play.
Yeah, I think he'll probably play, but Kawhi is a strange bird from all we've seen.
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of real value. I'm shocked they're willing to punt a season of LeBron over Kuzma and/or Brandon Ingram.
It's the smart decision, why trade your young assets when you can just sign Kawhi in the offseason? Not like they won't be in the running for the Championship this season anyway. The Lakers won't beat GS but they will be in the playoffs
lakers have zero chance at a championship this year, they may not even make the playoffs
I think you seriously underestimate how good some of the Lakers young players are. Especially when you add Lebron to it. They won’t win a championship this season. But they’ll make the playoffs
The West is insanely stacked, Toronto can def make some noise in the east if Kawhi mans up.
I like the trade for the Raps. Worse comes to worse, they got out from underneath a huge contract for a player who's not really elite. Poetl isn't special and the 2019 pick isn't going to be good and even if it is, the Spurs don't get it. Then there's a 2% chance Kawhi stays.
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Right now is Westbrook. More shots for him.
Yeah they lost Melo... but who did they sign to make their team better? You’re just replacing Melo’s shittiness with another less expensive one.
A folding chair would be a defensive improvement over Melo. A folding chair would probably be only slightly less efficient offensively than Melo. I wouldn't underestimate how much removing Melo from the team can improve them. Steven Adams certainly was no fan of Melo. They have Ferguson. Burton looked really good during the summer. They have enough stars. They have enough offense. They need PG to be more efficient and they need to play better defense.
I get that but those players have MASSIVE warts as well. Ferguson didn’t even look good in SL. At least when Melo was there teams accounted for him. When Roberson comes back... their offense actually becomes much worse.
Yeah they lost Melo... but who did they sign to make their team better? You’re just replacing Melo’s shittiness with another less expensive one.
Probably but not for the reason you stated. Carmelo was abysmal, getting rid of him should make that entire team happy. Westbrook took the 3rd most attempts per game of his career last year, he’s shooting plenty and will be able to do that regardless of Carmelo Anthony.
Basically any player will be an upgrade for that team at this point.
as a raptors fan, not sure what to make of the deal - with LeBron out of the east and casey replaced, there seemed to be some potential with the existing roster to make a run. and leonard presents both an injury and holdout risk.
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76ers: Simmons (plays PG on O)
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