I'm disappointed in KAT - never knew he was such a diva. Doesn't even bother playing defense either. We may have gotten the best player in that draft........if healthy.
Towns seems soft to me, I like what the Knicks are putting together and I don’t think any of the young guys (KP, Frank, Knox, now Mitchell) should be moved right now.
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Towns seems soft to me, I like what the Knicks are putting together and I don’t think any of the young guys (KP, Frank, Knox, now Mitchell) should be moved right now.
How is KAT soft but not KP who’s always hurt? If health wasn’t a factor I can see why someone would covert KPs skill set but he’s likely going to have an injury plagued career. How can anyone take KP over KAT at this point?
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Towns seems soft to me, I like what the Knicks are putting together and I don’t think any of the young guys (KP, Frank, Knox, now Mitchell) should be moved right now.
How is KAT soft but not KP who’s always hurt? If health wasn’t a factor I can see why someone would covert KPs skill set but he’s likely going to have an injury plagued career. How can anyone take KP over KAT at this point?
Towns wants to come here
Irving might want a trade out of Boston
I think there's a nonzero chance the Knicks, if they play their cards right, could have Irving, Knox, Porzingis and Towns as four of a starting five in 2019-2020
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I would take KP over Towns. I really didn’t like what I saw from KAT last year. He’s awful defensively.
I understand KPs injury concerns, but his overall ceiling considering his rim protection is so high. Combine that with his shooting, you have so many options to build lineups around him. Hopefully this coach/ GM can actually do that.
Yea completely agree. Surprised it is even debated at this point with his injury concerns.
A few weeks prior to KP getting hurt, I was watching a Celtics game with my buddy. He asked who I would trade KP for. I said to him, guys that tall and lanky always scare me with injury risk (knees, ankles, back). I would trade Tatum straight up right now. That was before the injury. Both in that, I think Tatum is that good and KP's size scares me enough to make the trade.
KAT is a no brainer to me especially at this point.
but I still don't make that trade. Not because I think KAT comes as a FA, but because I think KP's upside is higher. These aren't finished products. Both guys are still really, really young.
I think KP has the skillset at his size to have a Kevin Durant type of impact on the game. He's called the unicorn for a reason. Guys like him don't come around too often.
but I still don't make that trade. Not because I think KAT comes as a FA, but because I think KP's upside is higher. These aren't finished products. Both guys are still really, really young.
I think KP has the skillset at his size to have a Kevin Durant type of impact on the game. He's called the unicorn for a reason. Guys like him don't come around too often.
Agreed. KP has gotten significantly better each year he's been in the league while Towns is not improving at nearly the same rate. Shooting %'s are misleading because KP is asked to do more and takes more shots. Over 40% of Towns points are from the paint while KP's is under 20%. Part of that is point guard play and the way their offense was designed and another part is strength. KP is still filling out and adding muscle while Towns is far more developed.
I'm not saying I wouldn't trade KP for Towns but it's closer than most seem to think in my opinion.
but I still don't make that trade. Not because I think KAT comes as a FA, but because I think KP's upside is higher. These aren't finished products. Both guys are still really, really young.
I think KP has the skillset at his size to have a Kevin Durant type of impact on the game. He's called the unicorn for a reason. Guys like him don't come around too often.
Do you have any confidence of KP giving you 60+ games for multiple seasons? I don’t. I love his game but IMO he’s already damaged goods. If he was Durant’s size I’d be less concerned but players KPs size don’t fare well once they start having major injuries. Besides the torn knee he’s had feet issues and looked gassed after his hot start. He’s turning 23 and while young it’s looking like the mileage is already hitting hard.
Potential is great but the Knicks and every other team make a swap for KAT in a heartbeat.
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but I still don't make that trade. Not because I think KAT comes as a FA, but because I think KP's upside is higher. These aren't finished products. Both guys are still really, really young.
I think KP has the skillset at his size to have a Kevin Durant type of impact on the game. He's called the unicorn for a reason. Guys like him don't come around too often.
Do you have any confidence of KP giving you 60+ games for multiple seasons? I don’t. I love his game but IMO he’s already damaged goods. If he was Durant’s size I’d be less concerned but players KPs size don’t fare well once they start having major injuries. Besides the torn knee he’s had feet issues and looked gassed after his hot start. He’s turning 23 and while young it’s looking like the mileage is already hitting hard.
Potential is great but the Knicks and every other team make a swap for KAT in a heartbeat.
but none of his injuries are something that will continue throughout his career. He should make a 100% recovery from everything. Obviously the concern is his frame, but he's working to improve that.
I do not make that trade for a few reasons with upside potential as the main reason. KP is the unicorn.
Whatever it was wasn’t major, just seems like he’s always nursing something.
rolled ankle, shoulder his rookie year, elbow bursitis and then the knee...
all injuries that should not hinder his future and it has been said the acl injury is one of the cleanest acl injuries you could have, no other damage to his knee...
and his play fell off whixh falling off is going frkm 30 points per game to 24, when thjr got hurt, he lost his second scorer
Whatever it was wasn’t major, just seems like he’s always nursing something.
rolled ankle, shoulder his rookie year, elbow bursitis and then the knee...
all injuries that should not hinder his future and it has been said the acl injury is one of the cleanest acl injuries you could have, no other damage to his knee...
and his play fell off whixh falling off is going frkm 30 points per game to 24, when thjr got hurt, he lost his second scorer
Lot of injuries over a course of three seasons. I love KP & think he's going to be a star, but you're crazy if his injury history doesn't scare you. It should, especially guys of his size/frame.
Whatever it was wasn’t major, just seems like he’s always nursing something.
rolled ankle, shoulder his rookie year, elbow bursitis and then the knee...
all injuries that should not hinder his future and it has been said the acl injury is one of the cleanest acl injuries you could have, no other damage to his knee...
and his play fell off whixh falling off is going frkm 30 points per game to 24, when thjr got hurt, he lost his second scorer
Lot of injuries over a course of three seasons. I love KP & think he's going to be a star, but you're crazy if his injury history doesn't scare you. It should, especially guys of his size/frame.
he played 72 games his rookie year, 66 his second year, and last year was on his way to playing over 70 games until the freak knee injury...
who has been his PG's? He's never had a PG that can make things easy for him. Put KAT in KP's situation and it looks a lot worse than it is. KP has the skillset and upside to be a top 3 NBA player. We got lucky that he fell to us and I am not trading him for KAT, even with the injury history. Risk? Yes? High Reward? Damn right.
Yes, none of his injuries are career threatening... Â
guys are great players & should have long & very productive careers. I'll just leave it at that. You really can't go wrong with either guy. But if you're putting a gun to my head right now, I'd take KAT. That could easily change in a year or two.
Problem is big men handle injuries worse with age Â
and has played in 31 and 63 games in his next two. Porzingis has played in twice as many NBA games than Embiid despite being in the league one fewer season.
I understand why people would have some concerns about KP's long term durability, but he's not as much of a red flag as Joel Embiid either.
Towns seems soft to me, I like what the Knicks are putting together and I don’t think any of the young guys (KP, Frank, Knox, now Mitchell) should be moved right now.
How is KAT soft but not KP who’s always hurt? If health wasn’t a factor I can see why someone would covert KPs skill set but he’s likely going to have an injury plagued career. How can anyone take KP over KAT at this point?
Love when fans think they can predict a player’s injury projection.
You guys know that predicting injuries is virtually impossible right?
Michael Jordan tore his acl early on too. How’d that turn out?
I’m on record, I’ll take KP over towns. I love towns but he’s not a good defensive player. KP has more potential.
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Towns seems soft to me, I like what the Knicks are putting together and I don’t think any of the young guys (KP, Frank, Knox, now Mitchell) should be moved right now.
How is KAT soft but not KP who’s always hurt? If health wasn’t a factor I can see why someone would covert KPs skill set but he’s likely going to have an injury plagued career. How can anyone take KP over KAT at this point?
Love when fans think they can predict a player’s injury projection.
You guys know that predicting injuries is virtually impossible right?
Michael Jordan tore his acl early on too. How’d that turn out?
I’m on record, I’ll take KP over towns. I love towns but he’s not a good defensive player. KP has more potential.
And I love when fans disregard injuries to humans that are 7 foot 3, let alone nba players. Statistics and science do not favor KP. I’m not projecting what will happen, I’m simply saying he’s going to get banged up in the NBA (already has) and that it isn’t going to be easy for him and anyone else his size to stay healthy for a prolonged period of time.
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Towns seems soft to me, I like what the Knicks are putting together and I don’t think any of the young guys (KP, Frank, Knox, now Mitchell) should be moved right now.
How is KAT soft but not KP who’s always hurt? If health wasn’t a factor I can see why someone would covert KPs skill set but he’s likely going to have an injury plagued career. How can anyone take KP over KAT at this point?
Love when fans think they can predict a player’s injury projection.
You guys know that predicting injuries is virtually impossible right?
Michael Jordan tore his acl early on too. How’d that turn out?
I’m on record, I’ll take KP over towns. I love towns but he’s not a good defensive player. KP has more potential.
Jordan broke his foot and came back the same year.
I shouldn’t necessarily say KP has more potential just that i like his rim protecting potential. Towns is a ridiculous talent in his own right, but the downright freaky shot blocking abilities KP brings.... I am not giving up on that just yet thanks.
Towns expressing desire to play for the Knicks several times. He said something before the draft when asked about being drafted by them.
But that would be sick if we could have both him and KP
He was a huge Knicks fan growing up but when these guys get to the league their desires change. Doesn't stop people from speculating for years but rarely comes to fruition -- see Durant and the Wizards
I'm disappointed in KAT - never knew he was such a diva. Doesn't even bother playing defense either. We may have gotten the best player in that draft........if healthy.
supposedly towns does not like thibs...
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But my guess is they get rid of Butler before KAT
supposedly towns does not like thibs...
Im pretty sure anybody would make that trade. Durability for Porzi bothers me.
Why? Towns doesn’t play defense. He’s a tremendous talent but his lack of D concerns me. I know KP wants to play D.
Stick with KP. He’s got the fire and attitude we need.
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But my guess is they get rid of Butler before KAT
supposedly towns does not like thibs...
Im pretty sure anybody would make that trade. Durability for Porzi bothers me.
A year ago I was cruzified on bbi for saying Towns was a better pick than KP. I would trade KP for Towns in a heartbeat
Crucified? On here? If you were crucified by anyone for making an obvious statement then it was by a few Knicks homers.
I love KP, but I'd take KAT over him in a heartbeat.
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A year ago I was cruzified on bbi for saying Towns was a better pick than KP. I would trade KP for Towns in a heartbeat
Crucified? On here? If you were crucified by anyone for making an obvious statement then it was by a few Knicks homers.
I love KP, but I'd take KAT over him in a heartbeat.
if kp was 100 percent healtht it absolutely woukd be a debate, with him hurt and questiom marks then yes you absolutely take kat
How is KAT soft but not KP who’s always hurt? If health wasn’t a factor I can see why someone would covert KPs skill set but he’s likely going to have an injury plagued career. How can anyone take KP over KAT at this point?
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Towns seems soft to me, I like what the Knicks are putting together and I don’t think any of the young guys (KP, Frank, Knox, now Mitchell) should be moved right now.
How is KAT soft but not KP who’s always hurt? If health wasn’t a factor I can see why someone would covert KPs skill set but he’s likely going to have an injury plagued career. How can anyone take KP over KAT at this point?
yup exactly
Dep.. you really don't like Thibs. Haha
As much as I love Porzingis there's no question you take Karl Anthony over him, agreed
You don't trade anything for Towns. He's expressed a desire to play for the Knicks several times publically
Irving might want a trade out of Boston
I think there's a nonzero chance the Knicks, if they play their cards right, could have Irving, Knox, Porzingis and Towns as four of a starting five in 2019-2020
where?
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but has made his intentions clear to that point
where?
When he was going into the draft, Towns expressed a desire to play in NY. He grew up in Jersey and was a big Knicks fan.
Towns has also said the Knicks are fortunate to have KP.
He gave Kevin Knox a shoutout on Twitter due to their Kentucky connection
Towns was a Knicks fan - ( New Window )
I understand KPs injury concerns, but his overall ceiling considering his rim protection is so high. Combine that with his shooting, you have so many options to build lineups around him. Hopefully this coach/ GM can actually do that.
Plus KAT is a superior rebounder as well.
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but has made his intentions clear to that point
where?
When he was going into the draft, Towns expressed a desire to play in NY. He grew up in Jersey and was a big Knicks fan.
Towns has also said the Knicks are fortunate to have KP.
He gave Kevin Knox a shoutout on Twitter due to their Kentucky connection Towns was a Knicks fan - ( New Window )
Good find, thanks. Regardless, he can't leave Minnesota for a while unless they trade him, which still seems unlikely.
Yea completely agree. Surprised it is even debated at this point with his injury concerns.
A few weeks prior to KP getting hurt, I was watching a Celtics game with my buddy. He asked who I would trade KP for. I said to him, guys that tall and lanky always scare me with injury risk (knees, ankles, back). I would trade Tatum straight up right now. That was before the injury. Both in that, I think Tatum is that good and KP's size scares me enough to make the trade.
KAT is a no brainer to me especially at this point.
Plus KAT is a superior rebounder as well.
No. No one is forgetting that. KP is good. KAT is better. There's nothing wrong with admitting that.
I think KP has the skillset at his size to have a Kevin Durant type of impact on the game. He's called the unicorn for a reason. Guys like him don't come around too often.
If given the choice, you have to take KAT over KP.
I think KP has the skillset at his size to have a Kevin Durant type of impact on the game. He's called the unicorn for a reason. Guys like him don't come around too often.
Agreed. KP has gotten significantly better each year he's been in the league while Towns is not improving at nearly the same rate. Shooting %'s are misleading because KP is asked to do more and takes more shots. Over 40% of Towns points are from the paint while KP's is under 20%. Part of that is point guard play and the way their offense was designed and another part is strength. KP is still filling out and adding muscle while Towns is far more developed.
I'm not saying I wouldn't trade KP for Towns but it's closer than most seem to think in my opinion.
If given the choice, you have to take KAT over KP.
This is also why I would make the trade. Had KP not suffered any serious injuries then I would be hesitant to trade him for Towns.
I think KP has the skillset at his size to have a Kevin Durant type of impact on the game. He's called the unicorn for a reason. Guys like him don't come around too often.
Do you have any confidence of KP giving you 60+ games for multiple seasons? I don’t. I love his game but IMO he’s already damaged goods. If he was Durant’s size I’d be less concerned but players KPs size don’t fare well once they start having major injuries. Besides the torn knee he’s had feet issues and looked gassed after his hot start. He’s turning 23 and while young it’s looking like the mileage is already hitting hard.
Potential is great but the Knicks and every other team make a swap for KAT in a heartbeat.
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but I still don't make that trade. Not because I think KAT comes as a FA, but because I think KP's upside is higher. These aren't finished products. Both guys are still really, really young.
I think KP has the skillset at his size to have a Kevin Durant type of impact on the game. He's called the unicorn for a reason. Guys like him don't come around too often.
Do you have any confidence of KP giving you 60+ games for multiple seasons? I don’t. I love his game but IMO he’s already damaged goods. If he was Durant’s size I’d be less concerned but players KPs size don’t fare well once they start having major injuries. Besides the torn knee he’s had feet issues and looked gassed after his hot start. He’s turning 23 and while young it’s looking like the mileage is already hitting hard.
Potential is great but the Knicks and every other team make a swap for KAT in a heartbeat.
he has had zero foot injuries
I do not make that trade for a few reasons with upside potential as the main reason. KP is the unicorn.
Whatever it was wasn’t major, just seems like he’s always nursing something.
Whatever it was wasn’t major, just seems like he’s always nursing something.
rolled ankle, shoulder his rookie year, elbow bursitis and then the knee...
all injuries that should not hinder his future and it has been said the acl injury is one of the cleanest acl injuries you could have, no other damage to his knee...
and his play fell off whixh falling off is going frkm 30 points per game to 24, when thjr got hurt, he lost his second scorer
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was it his ankle?
Whatever it was wasn’t major, just seems like he’s always nursing something.
rolled ankle, shoulder his rookie year, elbow bursitis and then the knee...
all injuries that should not hinder his future and it has been said the acl injury is one of the cleanest acl injuries you could have, no other damage to his knee...
and his play fell off whixh falling off is going frkm 30 points per game to 24, when thjr got hurt, he lost his second scorer
Lot of injuries over a course of three seasons. I love KP & think he's going to be a star, but you're crazy if his injury history doesn't scare you. It should, especially guys of his size/frame.
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was it his ankle?
Whatever it was wasn’t major, just seems like he’s always nursing something.
rolled ankle, shoulder his rookie year, elbow bursitis and then the knee...
all injuries that should not hinder his future and it has been said the acl injury is one of the cleanest acl injuries you could have, no other damage to his knee...
and his play fell off whixh falling off is going frkm 30 points per game to 24, when thjr got hurt, he lost his second scorer
Lot of injuries over a course of three seasons. I love KP & think he's going to be a star, but you're crazy if his injury history doesn't scare you. It should, especially guys of his size/frame.
he played 72 games his rookie year, 66 his second year, and last year was on his way to playing over 70 games until the freak knee injury...
none of his injuries are career threatening
I hope he has a great career, I enjoy watching him play. I’m just skeptical is all.
no one said he is healthier than towns, i dont get why that is even a discussion...
if playing 82 games is the barometer for health 90 percent of the league has injury problems...
I hope he has a great career, I enjoy watching him play. I’m just skeptical is all.
uconn i think you are over thinking it, he really has not had a lot of injuries...
his rookie year he couldnof played 75 or 76 games but they held him out the last 10 games because they were out of it...
his 2nd year he probably would of played around 70 to 72 games but held him out at the end because they were out of it...
Yes, agreed. This is a really silly argument we're all having.
embiid has had foot surgery twice, big big differencr and he has missed full seasons
I understand why people would have some concerns about KP's long term durability, but he's not as much of a red flag as Joel Embiid either.
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Both players are fantastic and the Knicks would be fortunate to have either one.
Yes, agreed. This is a really silly argument we're all having.
super silly but it is killing my last half hour of my day
Fantastic player, no doubt about it.
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Towns seems soft to me, I like what the Knicks are putting together and I don’t think any of the young guys (KP, Frank, Knox, now Mitchell) should be moved right now.
How is KAT soft but not KP who’s always hurt? If health wasn’t a factor I can see why someone would covert KPs skill set but he’s likely going to have an injury plagued career. How can anyone take KP over KAT at this point?
Love when fans think they can predict a player’s injury projection.
You guys know that predicting injuries is virtually impossible right?
Michael Jordan tore his acl early on too. How’d that turn out?
I’m on record, I’ll take KP over towns. I love towns but he’s not a good defensive player. KP has more potential.
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Towns seems soft to me, I like what the Knicks are putting together and I don’t think any of the young guys (KP, Frank, Knox, now Mitchell) should be moved right now.
How is KAT soft but not KP who’s always hurt? If health wasn’t a factor I can see why someone would covert KPs skill set but he’s likely going to have an injury plagued career. How can anyone take KP over KAT at this point?
Love when fans think they can predict a player’s injury projection.
You guys know that predicting injuries is virtually impossible right?
Michael Jordan tore his acl early on too. How’d that turn out?
I’m on record, I’ll take KP over towns. I love towns but he’s not a good defensive player. KP has more potential.
And I love when fans disregard injuries to humans that are 7 foot 3, let alone nba players. Statistics and science do not favor KP. I’m not projecting what will happen, I’m simply saying he’s going to get banged up in the NBA (already has) and that it isn’t going to be easy for him and anyone else his size to stay healthy for a prolonged period of time.
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Towns seems soft to me, I like what the Knicks are putting together and I don’t think any of the young guys (KP, Frank, Knox, now Mitchell) should be moved right now.
How is KAT soft but not KP who’s always hurt? If health wasn’t a factor I can see why someone would covert KPs skill set but he’s likely going to have an injury plagued career. How can anyone take KP over KAT at this point?
Love when fans think they can predict a player’s injury projection.
You guys know that predicting injuries is virtually impossible right?
Michael Jordan tore his acl early on too. How’d that turn out?
I’m on record, I’ll take KP over towns. I love towns but he’s not a good defensive player. KP has more potential.
Jordan broke his foot and came back the same year.
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But my guess is they get rid of Butler before KAT
You don't trade anything for Towns. He's expressed a desire to play for the Knicks several times publically
Sounds like the Lakers and Paul George... if he gets traded it is a risk.
But that would be sick if we could have both him and KP
But that would be sick if we could have both him and KP
He was a huge Knicks fan growing up but when these guys get to the league their desires change. Doesn't stop people from speculating for years but rarely comes to fruition -- see Durant and the Wizards