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Your all-time Giants 53 - Had to have seen them play!

dep026 : 7/19/2018 8:27 am
Fun thing to do in offseason. Who would make your 53? Only caveat is you have had to see them play. Since 86’ is my first season watching... I have to leave out many all timers. This years rookies would be ineligible.

QB (2) - Eli Manning and Phil Simms.
This is a pretty easy one.

RB (5) - Tiki Barber, Rodney Hampton, Ahmad Bradshaw, Dave Meggett, Mo Carathon.
No disrespect to Jacobs or Peyton Hillis haha... but Meggets return ability gives him nod.

WR (5) - Odell Beckham, Amani Toomer, Plaxico Burress, Victor Cruz, Hakeem Nicks.
Thought about adding a 6th, but Steve Smith couldn’t make cut.

TE (3) - Mark Bavaro, Jeremy Shockey, Howard Cross.
Cross over Engram because Cross was a dominant blocker.

OL (9) - Jumbo Elliott, William Roberts, Bart Oates, Ron Stone, Chris Snee, Kareem McKenzie, Rich Seubert, Shaun O’Hara, David Diehl.
Diehl was my last guy, but some of the guys from 80s could easily overtake him as I wasn’t a novice to their abilities.

DL (8) - Michael Strahan, Justin Tuck, Osi Umeniyora, Leonard Marshall, Keith Hamilton, Damon Harrison, Jason Pierre Paul, Jim Burt
Drawing blanks on other possibilities. George Martin was at end of his career.

LB (8) - Lawrence Taylor, Carl Banks, Gary Reasons, Pepper Johnson, Harry Carson, Jessie Armstead, Antonio Pierce, Byron Hunt
Just a loaded list!

CB (5) - Mark Collins, Everson Walls, Jason Sehorn, Corey Webster, Janoris Jenkins.
Wanted to include Terrell Thomas/DRC but they missed the cut.

S (4) - Terry Kinard, Myron Guyton, Landon Collins, Shaun Williams
Feels like I am missing someone.

ST (1) - Reyna Thompson
K (1) - Matt Bahr
P (1) - Jeff Feagles
LS (1) - Zac DeOssie

I know this would be harder for the ole time folks but have at it!
TE Bob Tucker over Cross  
Giants86 : 7/19/2018 8:55 am : link
and Safety Spiker Lockhart over Shaun Williams. Williams wasn't very good. I would put Terry Kinard over him also.

Antrel rolle  
Tuckrule : 7/19/2018 8:57 am : link
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Until he tore up his knee, Zeke Mowatt was  
That’s Gold, Jerry : 7/19/2018 8:59 am : link
a tremendous tight end.
RE: Antrel rolle  
dep026 : 7/19/2018 9:00 am : link
In comment 14016000 Tuckrule said:
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Great Call. Totally forgot about him.
Missing Greg Jackson at safety and taking a look at your LB list...  
That’s Gold, Jerry : 7/19/2018 9:03 am : link
missing Sam Huff...but amazing things is that Armstead, Pierce (not so sure of him) nor Hunt but they would all be subs and depending on 3-4 or 4-3, neither Reasons nor Pepper would start.
RE: Missing Greg Jackson at safety and taking a look at your LB list...  
dep026 : 7/19/2018 9:07 am : link
In comment 14016008 That’s Gold, Jerry said:
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missing Sam Huff...but amazing things is that Armstead, Pierce (not so sure of him) nor Hunt but they would all be subs and depending on 3-4 or 4-3, neither Reasons nor Pepper would start.


Never saw Huff play. Had to be players you have seen.
Imagine how much this exercise sucks if you became a fan in 2017  
BrianLeonard23 : 7/19/2018 9:23 am : link
I started watching football in 2002 so my roster would pretty much be a mash up of the two recent super bowl winners with Odell and maybe a handful of others sprinkled in.
Very difficult for older fans  
Still a Sam Huff fan : 7/19/2018 11:02 am : link
The more years and therefore the more players we've seen in blue, the harder it is to compare and qualify. Sure L.T. is on the team. That's it for easy.

Take a look at Strahan and for a young guy, it's no contest. But for older guys, would you put him ahead of Robustelli? In fact, the whole def line of him, Grier, Katcavitch and Little Mo might just take the entire prize.

I think it becomes really difficult with the rules changing as much as they have. Would guys back then play as well as they did under todays restrictions? Tell a defensive back not to touch a guy going out on a pattern if he passes five yards? Don't hit the QB too high or too low or, heaven forbid, go near his head?



Emlen Tunnell  
Joey from GlenCove : 7/19/2018 11:08 am : link
but you said since 86
I'd add in  
PatersonPlank : 7/19/2018 11:12 am : link
Joe Morris & Ron Johnson - probably in place of Carthon and Meggat (Johnson was great)
Spider Lockhart - pick someone, Spider was the best of the bunch
John Mendhall at DT over someone, needs a little thought
Brad Van Pelt at LB - over Gary Reasons

Was alive but don't remember Gifford, but obviously those who did will have him here.
A few more  
Spirit of '86 : 7/19/2018 11:20 am : link
RB- I'd add Rob Carpenter and delete Mo Carthon
WR- I'd add Homer Jones and delete Cruz (too short of a career)
TE- I'd add Bob Tucker and delete Howard Cross (I never got the love for him)
DL- I'd add Erik Howard and delete JPP (too many games taken off. Thanks for 2011 though)
LB- I'd add Brad Van Pelt and delete Byron Hunt who does not belong anywhere near this list.
CB I'd add Mark Haynes and delete Everyone Walls (not a great player as a Giant)
S- Add Spider Lockhart delete Shaun Williams

ST- Add Joe Morrison delete Reyna Thompson ( a very good player but Joe should be on team and is more versatile).
RE: I'd add in  
njm : 7/19/2018 11:24 am : link
In comment 14016102 PatersonPlank said:
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Joe Morris & Ron Johnson - probably in place of Carthon and Meggat (Johnson was great)
Spider Lockhart - pick someone, Spider was the best of the bunch
John Mendhall at DT over someone, needs a little thought
Brad Van Pelt at LB - over Gary Reasons

Was alive but don't remember Gifford, but obviously those who did will have him here.


Add to that Roosevelt Brown on the OL and Rosey Grier on the DL.
Dave Jennings Punter  
Chip : 7/19/2018 11:40 am : link
Pete Gogolak Kicker
Mike Barrow  
Vanzetti : 7/19/2018 11:54 am : link
Better player than AP and way better than Byron Hunt.
Sparks at CB  
Vanzetti : 7/19/2018 12:00 pm : link
Did not have a long career but for a short period he was a top 5 CB in the league.

Definitely ahead of Walls imo
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Big Blue '56 : 7/19/2018 12:33 pm : link
QB (2) - Eli Manning and YA Tittle


RB (5) - Tiki Barber, Ron Johnson, Gifford, Morris, Carpenter


WR (5) - Odell Beckham, Amani Toomer, Plaxico Burress, Del Shofner, Hakeem Nicks,


TE (3) - Mark Bavaro, Jeremy Shockey, Bob Tucker


OL (9) - Jumbo Elliott, Darrell Dess, Greg Larson, Ray Weitecha, Chris Snee, Kareem McKenzie, Rosy Brown, Jack Stroud, Brad Benson


DL (8) - Michael Strahan, Justin Tuck, Leonard Marshall, Andy Robustelli, Jim Katcavage, Little Mo, Rosy Grier


LB (8) - Lawrence Taylor, Carl Banks, Harland Svare, Armstead, Carson, Huff(though I thought he was overrated), Brad Van Pelt, Reasons

CB (5) - Erich Barnes(our best ever, imo), Collins, Dick Lynch, Willie Williams, Sehorn

S (4) - Spider Lockhart (he did play CB as well), Patton, Tunnell, Bruce Maher

ST (1) - Reyna Thompson
K (1) - Summerall
P (1) - Jennings
LS (1) - Zac DeOssie
RE: .  
Elisthebest : 7/19/2018 1:29 pm : link
In comment 14016179 Big Blue '56 said:
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QB (2) - Eli Manning and YA Tittle


RB (5) - Tiki Barber, Ron Johnson, Gifford, Morris, Carpenter


WR (5) - Odell Beckham, Amani Toomer, Plaxico Burress, Del Shofner, Hakeem Nicks,


TE (3) - Mark Bavaro, Jeremy Shockey, Bob Tucker


OL (9) - Jumbo Elliott, Darrell Dess, Greg Larson, Ray Weitecha, Chris Snee, Kareem McKenzie, Rosy Brown, Jack Stroud, Brad Benson


DL (8) - Michael Strahan, Justin Tuck, Leonard Marshall, Andy Robustelli, Jim Katcavage, Little Mo, Rosy Grier


LB (8) - Lawrence Taylor, Carl Banks, Harland Svare, Armstead, Carson, Huff(though I thought he was overrated), Brad Van Pelt, Reasons

CB (5) - Erich Barnes(our best ever, imo), Collins, Dick Lynch, Willie Williams, Sehorn

S (4) - Spider Lockhart (he did play CB as well), Patton, Tunnell, Bruce Maher

ST (1) - Reyna Thompson
K (1) - Summerall
P (1) - Jennings
LS (1) - Zac DeOssie


I like your list

Couple of things:
-Gotta put Simms over Tittle
- Gogolak over Summerall
- Love seeing Snee on there, especially seeing Hernandez compared to him
- Drawing a blank on Bruce Maher
BB56  
Bubba : 7/19/2018 1:42 pm : link
got it right.
Eliisthebest,  
Big Blue '56 : 7/19/2018 2:16 pm : link
Bruce Maher was a Pro Bowler(when it was picked by Coaches and players only) at S for the Lions for a number of years. When he came to us, I thought he was terrific for the years he was with us. Unfortunately, his solid stint as a Giant got lost in the dreck we put together for many years after ‘63
Sean Landetta  
Coach Red Beaulieu : 7/19/2018 2:28 pm : link
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Add/Remove  
Giantslifer : 7/19/2018 2:31 pm : link
I would add Tarkenton, bad teams but he was fun to watch.
Remove Shockey -complete ass & overrated
RE: Eliisthebest,  
Elisthebest : 7/19/2018 2:50 pm : link
In comment 14016250 Big Blue '56 said:
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Bruce Maher was a Pro Bowler(when it was picked by Coaches and players only) at S for the Lions for a number of years. When he came to us, I thought he was terrific for the years he was with us. Unfortunately, his solid stint as a Giant got lost in the dreck we put together for many years after ‘63

I'm thinking I might remember him from Paper Lion, one of my favorites. Didn't remember him on Giants.
QB -- Tittle, Manning  
clatterbuck : 7/19/2018 6:00 pm : link
RB -- Gifford, Barber, Morris, Ron Johnson, Tucker Fredrickson
TE -- Bavaro, Shockey, Bob Tucker
WR -- OBJ, Shofner, Burress, Toomer, Rote
OL -- Rosey Brown, Richie Seubert, Jack Stroud, Jumbo Elliot, Weitecha, Greg Larson, Chris Snee, Karl Nelson, Dave Diehl
DL -- Strahan, Tuck, Robustelli, Snacks, Rosey Grier, Dick Modzewleski, George Martin, Leonard Marshall
LB -- LT, Carl Banks, Sam Huff, Harry Carson, Brad Van Pelt, Antonio Pierce, Jesse Armstead, Swede Svare
CB -- Emlen Tunnell, Dick Lynch, Mark Collins, Mark Haynes, Erich Barnes
S -- Spider Lockhart, Landon Collins, Greg Jackson, Antrelle Rolle
ST -- Reyna Thompson
K-- Pat Summerall
P-- Sean Landeta
FB -- (instead of LS) Mel Tripplet
D-Line  
Earl the goat : 7/19/2018 7:59 pm : link
Has to include Mendenhall and if Troy Archers career and life didn’t end so tragically he might’ve been the Giants all time best d lineman
RE: D-Line  
sober297 : 7/19/2018 8:22 pm : link
In comment 14016484 Earl the goat said:
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Has to include Mendenhall and if Troy Archers career and life didn’t end so tragically he might’ve been the Giants all time best d lineman

agree Troy Archer was about to become a Howie Long-type.
Mel Hein .... best center ever.  
short lease : 7/19/2018 8:26 pm : link
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It a really an eye opener to see younger guys  
joeinpa : 7/19/2018 9:05 pm : link
Rate the greatest Giants

I wouldn t begin to do it, because as a fan since 56 other than L. T. It is too difficult to pick only one guy per position.

For example: as good as Eric Howard was as a nose tackle, how do you pick him over John Mendhall.
Pat Summerall and Pete Gogolak?  
Gman11 : 7/19/2018 9:36 pm : link
Summerall didn't even make 50% of his FGs and Gogolak's percentage was barely over 50%.
RE: Pat Summerall and Pete Gogolak?  
Big Blue '56 : 7/20/2018 7:20 am : link
In comment 14016524 Gman11 said:
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Summerall didn't even make 50% of his FGs and Gogolak's percentage was barely over 50%.


It’s about clutch, not percentages. Summerall was money when it mattered, imo. Same with Bahr
RE: Until he tore up his knee, Zeke Mowatt was  
micky : 7/20/2018 9:24 am : link
In comment 14016005 That’s Gold, Jerry said:
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a tremendous tight end.



very underrated player
I won't say who they'd replace but  
WillieYoung : 7/20/2018 9:35 am : link
Spider Lockhart, Bob Tucker, Roosevelt Brown, Roosevelt Greer, Andy Robestelli (sp) and Brad Van Pelt have to make this list. Jim Files and Troy Archer would also make this list on pure talent but had their careers cut short or in the case of Files cut their own careers short.
I wasn’t alive  
dep026 : 7/20/2018 9:40 am : link
For the aforementioned players.
RE: RE: Pat Summerall and Pete Gogolak?  
clatterbuck : 7/20/2018 1:37 pm : link
In comment 14016589 Big Blue '56 said:
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In comment 14016524 Gman11 said:


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Summerall didn't even make 50% of his FGs and Gogolak's percentage was barely over 50%.



It’s about clutch, not percentages. Summerall was money when it mattered, imo. Same with Bahr


Summerall's kick in the snow to beat the Browns in '58 playoff game was the greatest I've ever seen.
RE: RE: RE: Pat Summerall and Pete Gogolak?  
Big Blue '56 : 7/20/2018 1:52 pm : link
In comment 14016929 clatterbuck said:
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In comment 14016589 Big Blue '56 said:


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In comment 14016524 Gman11 said:


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Summerall didn't even make 50% of his FGs and Gogolak's percentage was barely over 50%.



It’s about clutch, not percentages. Summerall was money when it mattered, imo. Same with Bahr



Summerall's kick in the snow to beat the Browns in '58 playoff game was the greatest I've ever seen.


Can’t disagree, but Tynes 47-yarder with a frozen foot in -23 degree wind chill in the 2008 NFCC, wasn’t too shoddy either..😊
Everson Walls, Byron Hunt, David Diehl  
Jimmy Googs : 7/20/2018 5:55 pm : link
all seem to be stretches.

No love for Dave Jennings or Sean Landetta?

And got to have Van Pelt.  
Jimmy Googs : 7/20/2018 5:57 pm : link
Just gotta’...
RE: It a really an eye opener to see younger guys  
Sec 103 : 7/20/2018 7:26 pm : link
In comment 14016517 joeinpa said:
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Rate the greatest Giants

I wouldn t begin to do it, because as a fan since 56 other than L. T. It is too difficult to pick only one guy per position.

For example: as good as Eric Howard was as a nose tackle, how do you pick him over John Mendhall.

You don'T...
One that jumped out at me right away: #10 Brad Van Pelt  
baadbill : 7/21/2018 12:54 pm : link
And special teams:
Dave Jennings Punter
Pete Gogolak Kicker

And my two absolutely favorite picks:
Saquon Barkley
Will Hernandez
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