“The biggest thing I think you’re going to find with Sam is as far as a cover guy goes, he’s about as good as I’ve ever seen in the business,” said Lester, who has risen through the coaching ranks after four years as the starting quarterback at Western Michigan from 1996-99. “His speed, his hips, he’s long, he’s a 6-footer, he can run, he can change direction. We knew when we put him in man coverage against the best receiver on the other team that it was a lock. It didn’t matter whether we played USC, it didn’t matter; he was a guy that athletically, with that length and speed, could cover anybody.”
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But if this guy is a Round 1 talent (per some), why did no one offer anything better than a 3rd round?
What's the knock on supplemental draft players?
But if this guy is a Round 1 talent (per some), why did no one offer anything better than a 3rd round?
What's the knock on supplemental draft players?
It's usually players that are ineligible for the April draft, but also not eligible (academics, etc) to play in the next college season.
The draft will be conducted via email and it's sort of like a silent auction. Teams can submit a bid -- a draft pick -- on a player and the highest bid wins the rights to that player. That team will then lose the corresponding pick in the next 12 NFL draft.
“The biggest thing I think you’re going to find with Sam is as far as a cover guy goes, he’s about as good as I’ve ever seen in the business,”
But if this guy is a Round 1 talent (per some), why did no one offer anything better than a 3rd round?
What's the knock on supplemental draft players?
Usually, the knock on supplemental draft players are significant character concerns. These are players who didn't declare for the NFL Draft in May and then enter the supplemental draft in July, usually because they aren't going to be eligible to play the following season. Most of the time there are big red flags associated with these players, that's not the case with Beal. It wasn't clear if his summer credits would be accepted by the NCAA so he went pro.
I think there are two main reasons Beal dropped:
(1) he's really thin, 178 pounds at his pro day. If he stayed in school another year, he would have had time to put on weight
(2) he's missed a lot of practices already. With the CBA, there's not a lot of practices before the season.
Combining (1) and (2), there's a good chance Beal won't play much his rookie year.
With all that said, he's really, really good and a great fit for the Giants' defense. Even if he doesn't play at all this year, he still could be a steal.
How many seasons did he actually play? If he's so good, you'd think his most frequent competitors would have seen it.
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Can someone explain it a bit more to me? I understand the basics - that it's a draft for guys who aren't eligible.
But if this guy is a Round 1 talent (per some), why did no one offer anything better than a 3rd round?
What's the knock on supplemental draft players?
Usually, the knock on supplemental draft players are significant character concerns. These are players who didn't declare for the NFL Draft in May and then enter the supplemental draft in July, usually because they aren't going to be eligible to play the following season. Most of the time there are big red flags associated with these players, that's not the case with Beal. It wasn't clear if his summer credits would be accepted by the NCAA so he went pro.
I think there are two main reasons Beal dropped:
(1) he's really thin, 178 pounds at his pro day. If he stayed in school another year, he would have had time to put on weight
(2) he's missed a lot of practices already. With the CBA, there's not a lot of practices before the season.
Combining (1) and (2), there's a good chance Beal won't play much his rookie year.
With all that said, he's really, really good and a great fit for the Giants' defense. Even if he doesn't play at all this year, he still could be a steal.
To clarify on his weight, he did not play at 170. He cut weight to perform better on athletic testing. I can link to that being documented but I don't have that handy right now.
But if this guy is a Round 1 talent (per some), why did no one offer anything better than a 3rd round?
What's the knock on supplemental draft players?
There's no general knock on supplemental players. We took Dave Brown with a 1. CB's are a high priority position. If Beal rated as round 1 talent, he wouldn't have slipped to the 3rd. Remember a lot of teams brag after the draft that the guy they got in round 2 or 3 was a first round talent. The Giants did it with Corey Webster and Reuben Randle. Sometimes the player does in fact live up and sometimes he doesn't. Hopefully Beal does but let's not really believe he was worth a first rounder and 32 teams mysteriously decided to give up no more than a 3rd for him. It doesn't work that way.
I read in an interview with Beal, that he did not prepare for his individual workout. He did not have time to prepare as he did not know about his lost eligibility until about a week before the pro day.
This makes his numbers at this pro day even more impressive.
Most draft eligible players spend months in preparation for the combine. And they significantly improve their statistics.
This also explains Beal's pedestrian 3 cone and short shuttle results. These are events that must be practiced to perform well.
Another thing that Beal mentioned was that he played at 192 lbs last year. He was shocked to find out that he dropped weight to 178. This was not the result of prepping for the pro day , but, he believed just due to nerves.
But if this guy is a Round 1 talent (per some), why did no one offer anything better than a 3rd round?
I believe people are saying that he had potential to develop into a 1st round pick with a solid year.
I don't think he really "fell" in the supplemental draft. He probably went right about where he should. Maybe could have gone in the 2nd but was wasn't going in the first.
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So far it appears that Gettleman has already had more success with 3rd round picks this year than Reese did during his entire tenure here. BJ Hill is already a starting DE while Lorenzo Carter and Sam Beal should see plenty of time on defense.
Bet you said the same thing every time Reese drafted someone and before they ever played
Are you saying that I once said that Reese was better than Accorsi at drafting in the 3rd round? Never did that, there were a couple of picks that I loved that Reese made that didn't work out(Odighizuwa and Chad Jones) but none of them earned starting spots before the regular season as BJ Hill has done.
That was a pathetic attempt at a call out.
He was told if he stayed in school he could be a first round pick, after the next season. I think 2nd or 3rd round was where he was projected now, which is where he went.
I am drinking the kool-aid on this guy. I hope he's a steal.
By the way, it's an excellent article -- well worth reading. He sounds like a great teammate.
In the unlikely event that happens then that would make up for every one of Reese's misses IMO.
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At his cobbled-together pro day on June 28 — a pro day attended by every NFL team, by the way — Beal measured in at just shy of 6-foot-1 and at 178 pounds. He’s tall and lanky with long arms, traits that have helped drive the NFL’s interest in him. The sub-180 weigh-in could spook a team or two, especially given that Beal is best known as a press corner.
Sanders’ scouting: “He’s got a good frame. He won’t have a problem being at 190. He played at 187, 188 (last year). He’s a little bit … not to say ‘thin-legged,’ but he’s got good shoulders. Before I left, he said, ‘Coach, I’m gonna play at 195.’ … I think he’s a big, 6-1, physical corner and shows his aggressiveness.”
Apparently you haven't been reading BBI regarding this pick.
But, I agree with you.
Either Beal is going outside replacing JJ there who moves inside to the slot or Haley comes in directly to play the slot and JJ stays outside.
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At his cobbled-together pro day on June 28 — a pro day attended by every NFL team, by the way — Beal measured in at just shy of 6-foot-1 and at 178 pounds. He’s tall and lanky with long arms, traits that have helped drive the NFL’s interest in him. The sub-180 weigh-in could spook a team or two, especially given that Beal is best known as a press corner.
Sanders’ scouting: “He’s got a good frame. He won’t have a problem being at 190. He played at 187, 188 (last year). He’s a little bit … not to say ‘thin-legged,’ but he’s got good shoulders. Before I left, he said, ‘Coach, I’m gonna play at 195.’ … I think he’s a big, 6-1, physical corner and shows his aggressiveness.”
If he dropped weight by working out and stressing, then he will benefit in a big way from pro nutrition and weight room training. The size will come. Besides, a number of CB enter the league on the small size and end their careers much bigger.
Another important point not to lose sight of- even if he isn't starting, he is going to get practice reps. CB need rest running up and down the field- and teams don't wear them out in practice because they need them fresh for games- you rotate your corners in practice. Its not like he's just going to sit on a bench somewhere and stare at the field.
If he played at 188 last year, it probably won't be that hard in a pro nutrition and weight room environment to get him to around 190-195 by the season's start.
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So far it appears that Gettleman has already had more success with 3rd round picks this year than Reese did during his entire tenure here. BJ Hill is already a starting DE while Lorenzo Carter and Sam Beal should see plenty of time on defense.
It's a little early to break out the bubbly celebrating Gettleman's success. Until they play a couple years, we don't know if Gettleman is good in the draft or another Reese. Remember, most of Reese's picks were widely celebrated...until they started playing.
This is horrifically stupid.
Sam Beale, if he picks up the playbook, should be in the DIME defense at least to start the season and, God willing, work his way up to more snaps.
If we want to have a winning season, we need Jenkins to play to his abilities (shutdown); Eli Apple to finally put his act and physical skills together and be solid; for Gay to get one more year out of his 33 year old body in the slot; and, for Beale to keep inching his way up to maybe even nickel duty.
You have to hope this kid learns fast cause we lack a pass rush.