The Yanks pursuing someone like Britton would probably be as much for their own pen as it would be to keep him away from Boston or Houston's.
Britton may not be the same pitcher he once was but hes still an enormous upgrade over Shreve. They really could use a tough lefty out of the pen. And give Shreve a one way ticket to the moon.
Yep, could really use a lefty.
Britton only has had 2 bad outings this year - otherwise he's been perfect. Hasn't allowed a run since June 27th and has thrown 7 scoreless since.
His ERA is sort of inflated because of that crappy appearance he had against ATL that made his ERA jump from 0.00 to 7.71 in one shot. He's been working it back down since.
He's still a really good reliever and would be a great get for us. If you only need your SP to go 5 in the postseason, it sort of reduces the overwhelming need to acquire another one.
and try and solve the SP problem from within with a guy like Sheffield. Heck maybe even try Sheffield out as the lefty out of the pen down the stretch like we did with Joba in '07.
The Yanks pursuing someone like Britton would probably be as much for their own pen as it would be to keep him away from Boston or Houston's.
Britton may not be the same pitcher he once was but hes still an enormous upgrade over Shreve. They really could use a tough lefty out of the pen. And give Shreve a one way ticket to the moon.
Shreve would never see the light of day in a postseason game, let alone a really important regular season game. They have so much depth in the bullpen that they don't really need to trade for another one. They also have so much swing and miss ability with their right-handers that they don't really need a lefty either. It would make them even better, but they don't really need one.
The Padres add one of the best young catcher prospects in the game. Their farm system could be the best in baseball by the end of the year once Acuna, Soroka, Fried, and Gohara officially graduate.
but I'm surprised he got dealt at all given his bounce back. This is the 2nd deadline the Indians shopped him, so considering he's so close to the big leagues now and has high potential at a premium position, maybe that's a little bit of a red flag in and of itself.
I do agree with PJ that this is probably good for Familia's value. He should bring back a top 100 prospect from somebody even though he's a rental. He's easily been one of the top 5ish relievers in the game over the last 4 or 5 years and while this year isn't his best, he's still near the top of the league in most categories. Of relievers with 15 saves or more he's one of 7 whose ERA and FIP are both under 3. Hand's numbers are slightly worse but similar and obviously he has the extra years of control.
I could not disagree more. Finishing ahead of the Red Sox is huge. If youre a wild card team, you have to go with Severino to win the
1st playoff game. That means you have CC, assuming hes healthy to start the next round. Are you confident with that (or one of the other current starters)? The team does not have the luxury of hoping a kid like Sheffield can do the job like they need. They need someone like deGrom and theyll probably have to overpay because he could be the difference between a 1 game playoff or going deep in the playoffs. I think Cashmsn wants to see in the next week or 2 how much of a lead the Red Sox have before making a move
My point was that, given similar offers, Machado would end up signing with the Yankees. Or almost anyone else, for that matter, since they're a hapless franchise that has been below .500 in all but 14 of their 49 seasons. So, in order to sign with the Padres, they'd have to blow everyone else out of the water as Seattle did with Cano.....which seems highly unlikely.
I wonder if the Yankees will go aggressively for him
Machado is not good defensively at SS and will likely move back to 3B with whoever signs him. The Yankees are set at 3B with Andujar. The Yankees may decide to go hard for SP help and begin to lock up some of their young players long term. There are will be quite a few teams willing to spend big in free agency also.
It would give the Yankees in 2018 a five man rotation of...
1. Severino
2. Syndergaard
3. Tanaka
4. Sabathia
5. German
In 2019 the Yankees make Patrick Corbin their #1 free agent target and you have a starting rotation of...
1. Severino
2. Syndergaard
3. Corbin
4. Tanaka
5. German/Abreu/Montgomery/Sabathia/someone else?
No matter what the offer is, Yankee fans will say its too much to give up for X. And Mets fans will automatically say it isnt enough. 100% of the time, thats the outcome, regardless of the names being thrown out
is 25 years old, and under contract or controlled for 3 and a half more years.
that offer is not unreasonable, but I wouldn't trade Syndergaard without a Moncada/Torres level prospect.
Think about it the Yankees arguably got a better return for a rental on Chapman or even Miller than what you're proposing for 25 year old Thor with 3.5 years left under contract.
is 25 years old, and under contract or controlled for 3 and a half more years.
that offer is not unreasonable, but I wouldn't trade Syndergaard without a Moncada/Torres level prospect.
Think about it the Yankees arguably got a better return for a rental on Chapman or even Miller than what you're proposing for 25 year old Thor with 3.5 years left under contract.
thank you but pass.
I know he was younger than anyone in that offer but at the time, while highly regarded, Torres wasn't a top 5 prospect in all of baseball. MLB.com had him at #26 for example. I would think the Yankees would have to include Florial though who is closer to what Torres was then.
But it doesn't make sense to me. Imo, he will be up next year at the latest. We need SP. No need to trade him. Whatever pitcher we get isn't going to fill all of our SP holes next year. There is basically no market for a top of the rotation SP. And because of that you'll have to overpay. Just keep Sheffield and let him give us that cheap SP with upside like Severino gave us.
But it doesn't make sense to me. Imo, he will be up next year at the latest...Just keep Sheffield and let him give us that cheap SP with upside like Severino gave us.
Or we could trade Sheffield in a package for a proven ace-quality pitcher and let Abreu, Medina, and several others give us the cheap SP with upside like Severino gave us. It's not like Sheffield is some perfect prospect who has been dominating the minor leagues. He comes with a fair share of question marks.
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But it doesn't make sense to me. Imo, he will be up next year at the latest...Just keep Sheffield and let him give us that cheap SP with upside like Severino gave us.
Or we could trade Sheffield in a package for a proven ace-quality pitcher and let Abreu, Medina, and several others give us the cheap SP with upside like Severino gave us. It's not like Sheffield is some perfect prospect who has been dominating the minor leagues. He comes with a fair share of question marks.
If I am not mistaken the other guys will not be ready next year. That is the point.
None of those guys are close to Sheffield as a prospect
Sheffield has been excellent in AA and AAA this year. Abreu is the same age but two levels lower and not pitching as well. Media is 19 and in rookie ball in Pulaski. Tate and Acevedo are two years older and a level behind Sheffield. He's clearly their top pitcher on the farm.
Sheffield has been excellent in AA and AAA this year...He's clearly their top pitcher on the farm.
No shit Sherlock, I guess the sarcasm flew over your head. Where were you when it was silly to simply equate Sheffield with Severino?
p.s.--Last year we were hearing how we didn't need to give up prospects for a starting pitcher before the deadline because Chance Adams was pitching well in AAA and his arrival on the big league stage was just around the corner. How did that work out? I'm in no hurry to part with Sheffield or any other of the team's prospects, but there isn't a manager in baseball right now who would take Sheffield over Syndergaard straight up (and the fact that one is proven at the big league level and the other isn't is only part of the reason), so it's just a matter of putting together the other pieces in a trade.
RE: RE: RE: I know Sheffield comes up in all of these proposals
If I am not mistaken the other guys will not be ready next year. That is the point.
Some may be ready, some may not, but that's not even the point. The point is that none of these guys are anywhere close to a proven commodity. Sheffield has been promising, but it's not like he's been lights out. I'm not being pessimistic, just realistic. And next year they can sign Patrick Corbin.
RE: RE: RE: RE: I know Sheffield comes up in all of these proposals
If I am not mistaken the other guys will not be ready next year. That is the point.
Some may be ready, some may not, but that's not even the point. The point is that none of these guys are anywhere close to a proven commodity. Sheffield has been promising, but it's not like he's been lights out. I'm not being pessimistic, just realistic. And next year they can sign Patrick Corbin.
I know you have this strange fixation on the Yanks signing Corbin, but when we hit the off-season, I don't think he makes the Yanks priority list.
Corbin had a red-hot April, but his numbers have been trending the the wrong direction since- on a monthly basis the WHIP has gone up, the K/9 has gone down, the K/walk ration has flattened, the ERA has stayed close to 4.00 since then.
There have also been widespread reports that his velocity is dropping- from a guy who didn't have a ton on the FB to begin with.
The sum of the parts, looking at the season as a whole AND his career says that April was an extreme outlier, and that the rest of his season looks like the rest of his career.
It would take a near collapse of the SP off-season market for the Yanks to spend a lot of time trying to get Corbin to sign anything more than a one-year, make-good type of deal.
But has heated up again. In his last five starts, 29 1/3 innings, 32K, 8BB, 24H, and 8 ER (also zero HRs). That's good for an ERA of 2.45 and a WHIP of 1.09 in his last five starts.
Heir bullpen is the only thing keeps them from potentially winning consecutive titles. Im sure theyll add someone, but they really need a legitimate closer not just a pretty good guy. I had Hand pegged for Houston all season, oh well.
Heir bullpen is the only thing keeps them from potentially winning consecutive titles. Im sure theyll add someone, but they really need a legitimate closer not just a pretty good guy. I had Hand pegged for Houston all season, oh well.
If I am not mistaken Rendon has been excellent for them.
Heir bullpen is the only thing keeps them from potentially winning consecutive titles. Im sure theyll add someone, but they really need a legitimate closer not just a pretty good guy. I had Hand pegged for Houston all season, oh well.
They are thought to be the front runner for Britton
healthy and performing he would have brought back a ton. As-is he'll still command something decent, maybe a back-end Top 100 guy, but nowhere near what he would have gotten a year ago. Baltimore waited too long on just about everyone, though the return on Machado was pretty substantial.
I still think Britton is going to fetch a pretty good return.
His ERA is misleading because of one really crappy outing. He hasn't given up a run in his last 7 appearances and has been pitching really well. He's only given up 3 hits in his last 7 IP.
healthy and performing he would have brought back a ton. As-is he'll still command something decent, maybe a back-end Top 100 guy, but nowhere near what he would have gotten a year ago. Baltimore waited too long on just about everyone, though the return on Machado was pretty substantial.
Baltimore was foolish not to trade him last year or the year before. They would have gotten a massive return more than the Yankees got for Miller or Chapman.
I think you'd be hard pressed to see ANY reliever bring back significantly more than those returns. But yeah, Britton a season or two ago would have been pretty impressive. Angelos is an idiot, he has taken a franchise with both a strong history and a good regional market - the Cardinals lite, at least for a 30-odd year stretch - and turned it into a dumpster fire.
Random, but is it true that Joey Votto has only popped out seven times since 2010?
Is that possible? That's fucking crazy.
I was reading that I think (from memory) they said in his entire career he's never popped out to the pitcher, catcher or first baseman. I don't know the context to say if it's truly amazing, but it sure sounds like it.
Random, but is it true that Joey Votto has only popped out seven times since 2010?
Is that possible? That's fucking crazy.
I was reading that I think (from memory) they said in his entire career he's never popped out to the pitcher, catcher or first baseman. I don't know the context to say if it's truly amazing, but it sure sounds like it.
He has one of the best hitter's eyes I've ever seen. Pretty remarkable.
The Kimbrel deal is probably the closest analog...
Margot and Guerra were both Top 100 prospects at one point, but Guerra was way overrated. Margot has not hit his stride, but he still has ceiling left to tap. Asuaje and Allen were meh prospects, and Asuaje is (predictably) a fringe major leaguer.
Torres was a better prospect than Margot by a wide margin. McKinney is not much worse than Guerra in terms of esteem at the time, and Crawford was a lotto ticket that, to date, has not hit. So the Chapman package is comparable to, probably greater than, the Kimbrel return.
As for the Miller return, Frazier was probably the better prospect than Margot, though it was closer at trade time than Torres. Sheffield wasn't quite as highly regarded but was still a premium prospect in his own right, and better than Guerra. Feyereisen and Heller were decent relief prospects, but the going rate for decent relief prospects isn't that high. But on the whole, a better package than Kimbrel.
So yeah, you'd be hard-pressed to find a significantly better return than either Miller or Chapman.
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The Yanks pursuing someone like Britton would probably be as much for their own pen as it would be to keep him away from Boston or Houston's.
Britton may not be the same pitcher he once was but hes still an enormous upgrade over Shreve. They really could use a tough lefty out of the pen. And give Shreve a one way ticket to the moon.
Yep, could really use a lefty.
Britton only has had 2 bad outings this year - otherwise he's been perfect. Hasn't allowed a run since June 27th and has thrown 7 scoreless since.
His ERA is sort of inflated because of that crappy appearance he had against ATL that made his ERA jump from 0.00 to 7.71 in one shot. He's been working it back down since.
He's still a really good reliever and would be a great get for us. If you only need your SP to go 5 in the postseason, it sort of reduces the overwhelming need to acquire another one.
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The Yanks pursuing someone like Britton would probably be as much for their own pen as it would be to keep him away from Boston or Houston's.
Britton may not be the same pitcher he once was but hes still an enormous upgrade over Shreve. They really could use a tough lefty out of the pen. And give Shreve a one way ticket to the moon.
Shreve would never see the light of day in a postseason game, let alone a really important regular season game. They have so much depth in the bullpen that they don't really need to trade for another one. They also have so much swing and miss ability with their right-handers that they don't really need a lefty either. It would make them even better, but they don't really need one.
I do agree with PJ that this is probably good for Familia's value. He should bring back a top 100 prospect from somebody even though he's a rental. He's easily been one of the top 5ish relievers in the game over the last 4 or 5 years and while this year isn't his best, he's still near the top of the league in most categories. Of relievers with 15 saves or more he's one of 7 whose ERA and FIP are both under 3. Hand's numbers are slightly worse but similar and obviously he has the extra years of control.
Yes I did, and I would say it again. They're the Padres. They'll always be the Padres, I don't give a shit how many hyped prospects they have.
1st playoff game. That means you have CC, assuming hes healthy to start the next round. Are you confident with that (or one of the other current starters)? The team does not have the luxury of hoping a kid like Sheffield can do the job like they need. They need someone like deGrom and theyll probably have to overpay because he could be the difference between a 1 game playoff or going deep in the playoffs. I think Cashmsn wants to see in the next week or 2 how much of a lead the Red Sox have before making a move
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Some people yesterday were saying "no way Machado would sign with the Padres over the Yankees"
Yes I did, and I would say it again. They're the Padres. They'll always be the Padres, I don't give a shit how many hyped prospects they have.
Machado is going to the highest bidder.
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Some people yesterday were saying "no way Machado would sign with the Padres over the Yankees"
Yes I did, and I would say it again. They're the Padres. They'll always be the Padres, I don't give a shit how many hyped prospects they have.
until he takes less money from the Yankees to not join the Padres it's not going to happen.
99.9% of the time, money talks, and players go to the highest bidder, whether it's the Yankees or the Royals or the Padres.
it's just never the Padres, so the point is moot and usually unprovable.
My point was that, given similar offers, Machado would end up signing with the Yankees. Or almost anyone else, for that matter, since they're a hapless franchise that has been below .500 in all but 14 of their 49 seasons. So, in order to sign with the Padres, they'd have to blow everyone else out of the water as Seattle did with Cano.....which seems highly unlikely.
1. Severino
2. Syndergaard
3. Tanaka
4. Sabathia
5. German
In 2019 the Yankees make Patrick Corbin their #1 free agent target and you have a starting rotation of...
1. Severino
2. Syndergaard
3. Corbin
4. Tanaka
5. German/Abreu/Montgomery/Sabathia/someone else?
I really wouldn't give that up for Syndergaard, to be honest.
Theres no way the Mets would accept that deal. It would likely have to be Andujar instead of Drury and theyd probably still have to add other pieces
that offer is not unreasonable, but I wouldn't trade Syndergaard without a Moncada/Torres level prospect.
Think about it the Yankees arguably got a better return for a rental on Chapman or even Miller than what you're proposing for 25 year old Thor with 3.5 years left under contract.
thank you but pass.
that offer is not unreasonable, but I wouldn't trade Syndergaard without a Moncada/Torres level prospect.
Think about it the Yankees arguably got a better return for a rental on Chapman or even Miller than what you're proposing for 25 year old Thor with 3.5 years left under contract.
thank you but pass.
I know he was younger than anyone in that offer but at the time, while highly regarded, Torres wasn't a top 5 prospect in all of baseball. MLB.com had him at #26 for example. I would think the Yankees would have to include Florial though who is closer to what Torres was then.
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What would you say to: Sheffield, Frazier, Loaisiga, and Drury for Syndergaard? Yankees fans will say it's too much, but I'm trying to be realistic.
I really wouldn't give that up for Syndergaard, to be honest.
Me neither. He's always hurt and needs to learn how to pitch.
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But it doesn't make sense to me. Imo, he will be up next year at the latest...Just keep Sheffield and let him give us that cheap SP with upside like Severino gave us.
Or we could trade Sheffield in a package for a proven ace-quality pitcher and let Abreu, Medina, and several others give us the cheap SP with upside like Severino gave us. It's not like Sheffield is some perfect prospect who has been dominating the minor leagues. He comes with a fair share of question marks.
If I am not mistaken the other guys will not be ready next year. That is the point.
p.s.--Last year we were hearing how we didn't need to give up prospects for a starting pitcher before the deadline because Chance Adams was pitching well in AAA and his arrival on the big league stage was just around the corner. How did that work out? I'm in no hurry to part with Sheffield or any other of the team's prospects, but there isn't a manager in baseball right now who would take Sheffield over Syndergaard straight up (and the fact that one is proven at the big league level and the other isn't is only part of the reason), so it's just a matter of putting together the other pieces in a trade.
If I am not mistaken the other guys will not be ready next year. That is the point.
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If I am not mistaken the other guys will not be ready next year. That is the point.
Some may be ready, some may not, but that's not even the point. The point is that none of these guys are anywhere close to a proven commodity. Sheffield has been promising, but it's not like he's been lights out. I'm not being pessimistic, just realistic. And next year they can sign Patrick Corbin.
I know you have this strange fixation on the Yanks signing Corbin, but when we hit the off-season, I don't think he makes the Yanks priority list.
Corbin had a red-hot April, but his numbers have been trending the the wrong direction since- on a monthly basis the WHIP has gone up, the K/9 has gone down, the K/walk ration has flattened, the ERA has stayed close to 4.00 since then.
There have also been widespread reports that his velocity is dropping- from a guy who didn't have a ton on the FB to begin with.
The sum of the parts, looking at the season as a whole AND his career says that April was an extreme outlier, and that the rest of his season looks like the rest of his career.
It would take a near collapse of the SP off-season market for the Yanks to spend a lot of time trying to get Corbin to sign anything more than a one-year, make-good type of deal.
If I am not mistaken Rendon has been excellent for them.
They are thought to be the front runner for Britton
Orioles have been scouting him.
I wouldn't mind the Mets trading Familia for damaged goods like Chavis or Groome.
His ERA is misleading because of one really crappy outing. He hasn't given up a run in his last 7 appearances and has been pitching really well. He's only given up 3 hits in his last 7 IP.
Baltimore was foolish not to trade him last year or the year before. They would have gotten a massive return more than the Yankees got for Miller or Chapman.
Is that possible? That's fucking crazy.
Is that possible? That's fucking crazy.
I was reading that I think (from memory) they said in his entire career he's never popped out to the pitcher, catcher or first baseman. I don't know the context to say if it's truly amazing, but it sure sounds like it.
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Random, but is it true that Joey Votto has only popped out seven times since 2010?
Is that possible? That's fucking crazy.
I was reading that I think (from memory) they said in his entire career he's never popped out to the pitcher, catcher or first baseman. I don't know the context to say if it's truly amazing, but it sure sounds like it.
He has one of the best hitter's eyes I've ever seen. Pretty remarkable.
Torres was a better prospect than Margot by a wide margin. McKinney is not much worse than Guerra in terms of esteem at the time, and Crawford was a lotto ticket that, to date, has not hit. So the Chapman package is comparable to, probably greater than, the Kimbrel return.
As for the Miller return, Frazier was probably the better prospect than Margot, though it was closer at trade time than Torres. Sheffield wasn't quite as highly regarded but was still a premium prospect in his own right, and better than Guerra. Feyereisen and Heller were decent relief prospects, but the going rate for decent relief prospects isn't that high. But on the whole, a better package than Kimbrel.
So yeah, you'd be hard-pressed to find a significantly better return than either Miller or Chapman.