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NFT: Carmello Traded to the Hawks

BigBlueDownTheShore : 7/19/2018 4:51 pm
for Dennis Schroder and Mike Muscala
They probably want to get rid of Schroeder's contract.  
Ira : 7/19/2018 4:58 pm : link
They must feel Young is there pg.
Atlanta is invested in Trae  
Koldegaard : 7/19/2018 4:59 pm : link
And OKC gets a helluva scorer off the bench. (Who can't play D)
Three term trade  
Anakim : 7/19/2018 4:59 pm : link
Presti did well. The Thunder save like 100M, they get back a decent young PG (who can't shoot) in Schroeder and another young wing player in Luwawu-Cabarot.


This is the type of deal we should do to rid ourselves of Noah.
Are they buying Melo out?  
steve in ky : 7/19/2018 5:00 pm : link
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Hold up a sec  
mfsd : 7/19/2018 5:01 pm : link
Peter Vecsey’s reporting Melo to the Nets could still happen
RE: Are they buying Melo out?  
Anakim : 7/19/2018 5:01 pm : link
In comment 14016384 steve in ky said:
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Si senor. 28M
RE: Hold up a sec  
robbieballs2003 : 7/19/2018 5:14 pm : link
In comment 14016386 mfsd said:
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Peter Vecsey’s reporting Melo to the Nets could still happen


Is it 1994? Does Vecsey break anything?
Each team is dumping players who can't defend.  
Ira : 7/19/2018 5:33 pm : link
In the long run, Atlanta saves more cap money.
RE: RE: Hold up a sec  
mfsd : 7/19/2018 5:36 pm : link
In comment 14016403 robbieballs2003 said:
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Peter Vecsey’s reporting Melo to the Nets could still happen



Is it 1994? Does Vecsey break anything?


Just remembering how he kept insisting Melo was going to the Nets when the Knicks traded for him. Yup he’s a horses ass
It Mitchell Robinson is a quality NBA player  
bceagle05 : 7/19/2018 5:47 pm : link
that means the Knicks will have fleeced Sam Presti. We could be entering a whole new world.
I guess it's fair to say OKC regrets the Melo deal?  
Strahan91 : 7/19/2018 5:52 pm : link
Would much rather have 1 year of Kanter's deal and Mitchell Robinson than 3 more years of Schroeder at $15.5M (plus they dealt a first rounder to dump Melo)
What are Kings  
GMEN46 : 7/19/2018 7:21 pm : link
Going to do with $20 million in cap space. Knicks need to get lee or hardaway off this roster for salary cap purposes and to open up minutes for young guys. Offer Lee and 2nd for ZBO or hardaway for a 2nd and send $5 million. Sac doesn’t need the cap space for next year because no big name free agent is signing in Sacramento.
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christian : 7/19/2018 7:35 pm : link
In a strange way, George probably saw OKC taking on Melo as an indication they were committed to winning and spending. If Melo's presence and that improved his impression of the team, it was worth it.
Okc has a nice team  
GMEN46 : 7/19/2018 7:46 pm : link
Could prob use another vet wing player in a min deal. Schroeder she be re motivated with the competitive team.
Hawks also get Justin Anderson  
Earl the goat : 7/19/2018 7:55 pm : link
Who will finally get a chance to play in Atlanta
Even more so than the Melo to OKC deal  
mattnyg05 : 7/19/2018 7:55 pm : link
When can we officially judge the original Melo to the Knicks deal? I hated it from day one and heard for years about how we got one of the better players in the NBA... I would have loved to see what might have happened without him.

The only time we ever came close to being a great team was when we were packed with veterans who didn’t follow Melos lead (Kidd, Kurt Thomas, Camby, Rasheed Wallace, Prigioni, Tyson Chandler etc).
deal on hold  
nygiants16 : 7/19/2018 8:02 pm : link
sixers supposedly flipping muscala
To add to that  
mattnyg05 : 7/19/2018 8:03 pm : link
Melo was FANTASTIC that year but it just proved that you needed structure and a great roster of pros to win with him as the centerpiece (instead of him carrying the team and making them better, which was too much to ask of him).
BTW for those who wanted the Knicks to take Porter jr. over Knox  
Stu11 : 7/19/2018 9:22 pm : link
he's having his second back surgery already. Thank god we appear to finally have some people in the front office with brains.
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I think it's fair to say  
steve in ky : 7/19/2018 9:30 pm : link
That every team Melo has played for all eventually welcomed his leaving the team. He may have been a prolific scorer at one point but his legacy as an NBA player is overall underwhelming.

RE: I think it's fair to say  
BigBlue4You09 : 7/19/2018 9:31 pm : link
In comment 14016521 steve in ky said:
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That every team Melo has played for all eventually welcomed his leaving the team. He may have been a prolific scorer at one point but his legacy as an NBA player is overall underwhelming.


Couldn’t agree more, one of the most overrated stars of all time.
I’ll be the first to stand up and say I  
Carl in CT : 7/19/2018 9:47 pm : link
Wanted Porter. Hey, we all fuck up.
I didn’t have a problem passing on porter for two reasons  
djm : 7/19/2018 10:01 pm : link
His Back surgery and weird lack of info and the talent still available at pick nine.
I didn't mind passing on him  
adamg : 7/19/2018 10:18 pm : link
On account of him being a douchebag
RE: BTW for those who wanted the Knicks to take Porter jr. over Knox  
Ten Ton Hammer : 7/19/2018 11:28 pm : link
In comment 14016520 Stu11 said:
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he's having his second back surgery already. Thank god we appear to finally have some people in the front office with brains. Link - ( New Window )


It honestly wouldn't have been a hard decision for me. I would never draft any player who was trying not to disclose medicals. There's nothing about that that sounds like a good idea.
yep I have to be honest leading up to the draft  
Stu11 : 7/20/2018 1:00 am : link
the idea of Porter slippng to us was really intruiging. I thought the injury this year was more of an acute thing, but once I found out this is an injury he's been dealing with for years I wanted no part of him.
Where does Melo end up?  
GiantsUA : 7/20/2018 5:42 am : link
Does he join LBJ in LA.
RE: Where does Melo end up?  
rich in DC : 7/20/2018 8:05 am : link
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Does he join LBJ in LA.


He's going to Houston.

Paul has been telling people for a while now that Melo is going there after being waived.
RE: yep I have to be honest leading up to the draft  
Jay on the Island : 7/20/2018 9:18 am : link
In comment 14016567 Stu11 said:
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the idea of Porter slippng to us was really intruiging. I thought the injury this year was more of an acute thing, but once I found out this is an injury he's been dealing with for years I wanted no part of him.

Same here.
I liked Porter since i felt...  
Italianju : 7/20/2018 9:28 am : link
like we should be trying to hit homeruns. But yeah after it came out that this has been more of a longterm thing i def soured. We hopefully hit a hr anyway.
Poor Mike D'Antoni if that's true  
arniefez : 7/20/2018 9:36 am : link
not only is the basketball cancer back but it's worse than it used to be.
The only team Melo made better  
CT Charlie : 7/21/2018 10:52 am : link
was Syracuse.
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nygiants16 : 7/21/2018 11:16 am : link
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he never made thenknicks better? knicks were awful last few years he was here, but he absolutely made them better when he firat gotnto new york
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JustaDiscussion : 7/21/2018 12:18 pm : link
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was Syracuse.



he never made thenknicks better? knicks were awful last few years he was here, but he absolutely made them better when he firat gotnto new york


I would pose that the counter-point to any improvements Melo made to the Knicks short-term win % when he was first acquired was counteracted by the fact that they traded away many assets to get him and then he proceeded to run D'Antoni out of town.

If instead of trading for Melo, the Knicks used their assets to form a D'Antoni style team, I believe the Knicks may have been better off. I think D'Antoni's success in Phoenix and Houston shows that with the right players he can be very successful. Granted, this assumes that the Knicks management wouldn't have bungled things in some other way, which I have to admit would be unlikely, but it does pose a scenario in which Melo only negatively impacted the Knicks.
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nygiants16 : 7/21/2018 12:28 pm : link
before the knicks traded for melo that team that everyone loved started sliding and were on the verge of being out of the playoffs...

just stay the course? they would of been stuck with a broken down amare and gallinari, that would of been fun...

and do people forget that the fans hated dantoni by the time he left?
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JustaDiscussion : 7/21/2018 12:52 pm : link
In comment 14017739 nygiants16 said:
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before the knicks traded for melo that team that everyone loved started sliding and were on the verge of being out of the playoffs...

just stay the course? they would of been stuck with a broken down amare and gallinari, that would of been fun...

and do people forget that the fans hated dantoni by the time he left?


Isn't the whole reason that the current Knicks team actually has hope for the first time in forever because they have been "just staying the course"? Also, just because fans hate something doesn't mean it's bad.
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nygiants16 : 7/21/2018 12:56 pm : link
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before the knicks traded for melo that team that everyone loved started sliding and were on the verge of being out of the playoffs...

just stay the course? they would of been stuck with a broken down amare and gallinari, that would of been fun...

and do people forget that the fans hated dantoni by the time he left?



Isn't the whole reason that the current Knicks team actually has hope for the first time in forever because they have been "just staying the course"? Also, just because fans hate something doesn't mean it's bad.


that knicjs team had no one close to kp at that age...

i loved gallinari, i hated giving him up but he was good player, he was mot a suoerstar...

knicks back then had nothing to build around, so staying the course was basically playing for mediocrity....

when they traded for melo he was 26 and was a superstar, they didnt trade for a 30 year old...

their mistake was not trading for melo, it was signing amare and then instead of gettjng a point guard, they signed tyson chandler...
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Earl the goat : 7/21/2018 1:38 pm : link
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before the knicks traded for melo that team that everyone loved started sliding and were on the verge of being out of the playoffs...

just stay the course? they would of been stuck with a broken down amare and gallinari, that would of been fun

and do people forget that the fans hated dantoni by the time he left?



Isn't the whole reason that the current Knicks team actually has hope for the first time in forever because they have been "just staying the course"? Also, just because fans hate something doesn't mean it's bad.



that knicjs team had no one close to kp at that age...

i loved gallinari, i hated giving him up but he was good player, he was mot a suoerstar...

knicks back then had nothing to build around, so staying the course was basically playing for mediocrity....

when they traded for melo he was 26 and was a superstar, they didnt trade for a 30 year old...

their mistake was not trading for melo, it was signing amare and then instead of gettjng a point guard, they signed tyson chandler...



The big mistake was not waiting until Free Agency But the money hungry Melo threatened not to sign so Dolan forced Walsh to trade
Could’ve had a real good team if we didn’t have to trade all those assets and if Melo didn’t run Dantoni out of town
earl you conveniently leave out  
nygiants16 : 7/21/2018 1:41 pm : link
there was a lockout coming and talk of rollbacks on ckntracts, anyone would of done the same thing...the cbawas much different back then...

and the knicks did not have cap sapce to sign him, this argument is simply not true
Everyone insists that they "loved" that knicks team before Melo  
Ten Ton Hammer : 7/21/2018 1:59 pm : link
got there, and that team was never going to win anything. They played a fun style, and it was entirely dependent on Amare being healthy and throwing down 30 point games.
NYG16  
Earl the goat : 7/21/2018 3:01 pm : link
We’ve been thru this argument about Melo since 2011
You know I’ve never been a Melo fan. It’s not the trade that pissed me off so much but it’s the fucking no trade contract that Phil gave him that set this team back along with other lousy signings phil made
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