| The move comes after conservative personalities resurfaced old tweets Thursday in which the filmmaker joked about controversial topics such as pedophelia and rape. Gunn has been an outspoken critic of President Donald Trump |
pretty shocking - but as we used to say in 1996
don't ever put anything online that you wouldn't want your mother to see or read.
bummer he doesn't get to finish the trilogy - hope they get Taika Waititi to replace him
James Gunn Fired from 'Guardians of the Galaxy Vol 3 - (
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Admitted member of NAMBLA - ( New Window )
For the record, when I made these shocking jokes, I wasnt living them out, he continued. I know this is a weird statement to make, and seems obvious, but, still, here I am, saying it. Anyway, thats the completely honest truth: I used to make a lot of offensive jokes. I dont anymore. I dont blame my past self for this, but I like myself more and feel like a more full human being and creator today.
For the record, when I made these shocking jokes, I wasnt living them out, he continued. I know this is a weird statement to make, and seems obvious, but, still, here I am, saying it. Anyway, thats the completely honest truth: I used to make a lot of offensive jokes. I dont anymore. I dont blame my past self for this, but I like myself more and feel like a more full human being and creator today.
I suggest people read the tweets or at least details about whole story and be informed. I won't ever pretend to know what it's someone's heart, but these did not seem like jokes or at least not jokes a person makes without feeling like the audience reading the jokes is in on it.
He deleted 10,000 tweets over night once the story surfaced, 10,000 tweets that were littered with pedophilia commentary, disgusting stories, and even links to IMO child porn (that obviously I didn't follow to verify, but based on the words in his tweet and the link I took him at his word).
I think he should be investigated so his potential future employers and consumers of his products should know the full extent. Was it truly just off-color jokes or was there more, punishable activities.
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Gunn apologized for the comments in a series of tweets posted Thursday night, writing, Many people who have followed my career know when I started, I viewed myself as a provocateur, making movies and telling jokes that were outrageous and taboo. As I have discussed publicly many times, as Ive developed as a person, so has my work and my humor. Its not to say Im better, but I am very, very different than I was a few years ago; today I try to root my work in love and connection and less in anger. My days saying something just because its shocking and trying to get a reaction are over.
For the record, when I made these shocking jokes, I wasnt living them out, he continued. I know this is a weird statement to make, and seems obvious, but, still, here I am, saying it. Anyway, thats the completely honest truth: I used to make a lot of offensive jokes. I dont anymore. I dont blame my past self for this, but I like myself more and feel like a more full human being and creator today.
I suggest people read the tweets or at least details about whole story and be informed. I won't ever pretend to know what it's someone's heart, but these did not seem like jokes or at least not jokes a person makes without feeling like the audience reading the jokes is in on it.
He deleted 10,000 tweets over night once the story surfaced, 10,000 tweets that were littered with pedophilia commentary, disgusting stories, and even links to IMO child porn (that obviously I didn't follow to verify, but based on the words in his tweet and the link I took him at his word).
I think he should be investigated so his potential future employers and consumers of his products should know the full extent. Was it truly just off-color jokes or was there more, punishable activities.
1. I read the tweets and took them to be really unfunny, tasteless jokes (and I'm a guy that can chuckle at sick humor, dead baby jokes, etc.). At no point did I think he was actually being serious.
2. There was investigative follow up on the porn "links." They were not pornographic.
Investigate away, but I think he'll only be found guilty of being unfunny and un-PC.
(the you is people who ruin their lives with it, not you guys)
You mean like Roseanne having her show canceled for an off-color joke? What's worse a racist joke or a pedophile joke?
There's no winners in that contest, one loses a show and that action is widely applauded in the media, one loses his job and is a scapegoat or it's payback for his political beliefs.
hmmmmm, what could be different between the two?
I feel for you guys who started careers in the last 10-15 years. You've got to live in fear that some jealous rival, enemy, or nut is going to dig up some sophomoric comment or comments you made as a teenager or college student and try and destroy your career and reputation with it. My generation had the room to grow out of stupid stuff. I think the Europeans are on the right track with a "right to be forgotten."
There are a number of troubling aspects to this, but the political "revenge" motive is not high up there for me. It's actually pretty amazing that it didn't happen sooner. This type of thing will hit both sides.
Ever watch South Park?
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Of a despicable nature or symptom of a character flaw. But the fact that this.was basically revenge for his political positions, or comeuppance for 'doxing' of people who hold contrary political positions, should trouble us.
Both ends of the spectrum do it so I don't feel particularly sorry that this end of the political spectrum got nailed in this particular instance. It's not right, and I don't think lives, families and careers need to be destroyed because of something said 15 or 20 years ago and long-forgotten now dredged up by someone with a motive.
I feel for you guys who started careers in the last 10-15 years. You've got to live in fear that some jealous rival, enemy, or nut is going to dig up some sophomoric comment or comments you made as a teenager or college student and try and destroy your career and reputation with it. My generation had the room to grow out of stupid stuff. I think the Europeans are on the right track with a "right to be forgotten."
I can't speak for Dune, but I think his point is the timing. These aren't a tweet that happened yesterday they are from years ago.
How do they not properly vet someone in such a high profile position?
This is something that can be investigated without anyone even knowing, regardless of the person's resume.
I find it hard to believe that no one at Disney knew about this ahead of time.
I think it was just tasteless humor and I don't like this identity politics warfare which Gunn was also a part of, but I think this statement is spot on. Troma is a shock value company.
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Of a despicable nature or symptom of a character flaw. But the fact that this.was basically revenge for his political positions, or comeuppance for 'doxing' of people who hold contrary political positions, should trouble us.
You mean like Roseanne having her show canceled for an off-color joke? What's worse a racist joke or a pedophile joke?
There's no winners in that contest, one loses a show and that action is widely applauded in the media, one loses his job and is a scapegoat or it's payback for his political beliefs.
hmmmmm, what could be different between the two?
You are right, that said, I know someone else who is still throwing out offensive tweets on a daily basis, and there is no-one more deserving of getting there walking papers..
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Of a despicable nature or symptom of a character flaw. But the fact that this.was basically revenge for his political positions, or comeuppance for 'doxing' of people who hold contrary political positions, should trouble us.
You mean like Roseanne having her show canceled for an off-color joke? What's worse a racist joke or a pedophile joke?
There's no winners in that contest, one loses a show and that action is widely applauded in the media, one loses his job and is a scapegoat or it's payback for his political beliefs.
hmmmmm, what could be different between the two?
You are right, that said, I know someone else who is still throwing out offensive tweets on a daily basis, and there is no-one more deserving of getting there walking papers..
Better get used to the tweets, because he's going to be on the job until 2024.
While the Polanski support is bizzare and wrong, I cant bring myself to use it as an example every time Hollywood tries to repair its image. They fucked up with Polanski but I wont use that as an excuse to not applaud them for making better choices now.
This dude seems like, at the very least, a pile of garbage. Whether hes a monster or not I dont know, but its pretty clear to me he took pride in the things he posted, wasnt just for comedic value.
That being said, this isn't a great reason to fire someone. Perhaps it would be more justified in my mind if he sent out the tweets after he was already signed on the to the Guardians movies - but these tweets were from 8-10 years ago.
And side note, who actually thinks that an actual pedophile would be making jokes on social media about being a pedophile? That's stupid.
That being said, this isn't a great reason to fire someone. Perhaps it would be more justified in my mind if he sent out the tweets after he was already signed on the to the Guardians movies - but these tweets were from 8-10 years ago.
And side note, who actually thinks that an actual pedophile would be making jokes on social media about being a pedophile? That's stupid.
Im confused, it isnt a reason to fire him? He works on movies for kids and makes pedo jokes non stop. Why would you want to keep him employed and negatively impacting your brand?
His obsession with the topic makes it more than jokes anyway. I wouldnt let this guy anywhere near my business.
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Of a despicable nature or symptom of a character flaw. But the fact that this.was basically revenge for his political positions, or comeuppance for 'doxing' of people who hold contrary political positions, should trouble us.
You mean like Roseanne having her show canceled for an off-color joke? What's worse a racist joke or a pedophile joke?
There's no winners in that contest, one loses a show and that action is widely applauded in the media, one loses his job and is a scapegoat or it's payback for his political beliefs.
hmmmmm, what could be different between the two?
You are right, that said, I know someone else who is still throwing out offensive tweets on a daily basis, and there is no-one more deserving of getting there walking papers..
the people who "employ" that someone else have an opportunity to not "renew his contract" in 2020. Never has there been a better opportunity for people to use their voices.
free speech in the US always had consequences, only now that speech is permanent based on the medium, and you can't retract or apologize away some comments for some people.
Scary to think something I said when I was young could cost me my job, livelihood, and family's ability to eat today (not that I would have said anything like what is being discussed here, but we've all made dumb statements in our lives).
(I'm not defending Gunn, just a general statement).
How many pedophile jokes have comedians made over the years? High profile comedians... What's the selection process for outrage?
So basically Silverman is calling out the dude who called out James Gunn on his pedophile tweets, while she herself has posted similar jokes in the past.
Again, what's the selection process for outrage and who gets the mob riled up?
It's bizarre, and frankly terrifying that social media has that much power and is only growing.
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Of a despicable nature or symptom of a character flaw. But the fact that this.was basically revenge for his political positions, or comeuppance for 'doxing' of people who hold contrary political positions, should trouble us.
You mean like Roseanne having her show canceled for an off-color joke? What's worse a racist joke or a pedophile joke?
There's no winners in that contest, one loses a show and that action is widely applauded in the media, one loses his job and is a scapegoat or it's payback for his political beliefs.
hmmmmm, what could be different between the two?
You are right, that said, I know someone else who is still throwing out offensive tweets on a daily basis, and there is no-one more deserving of getting there walking papers..
Better get used to the tweets, because he's going to be on the job until 2024.
Cant say I agree, I think enough damage has been done to see a change in 2020.
That said, whats going to continue, unfortunately, are the divisive tweets. And thats what gets me. People like Gunn, Rosanne and others face consequences from their tweets..
the real crime here IMO is how Duplass' followers and the twitter mob turned on him for his tweet, which I supported. And forced him to apologize. For what? For suggesting we could learn from each other. That's where the first stone (in this case) was thrown.
You may feel Shapiro is a loathsome person, that is irrelevant, but when Gunn, and his closet packed with skeletons decides to venture into into "open space" and lob grenades, he needs to be prepared for return fire.
Zero sympathy for Gunn who I do believe is more than a comedian or provacateur, he seems legit pedophile-ish. No one makes that many jokes about young boys with the commentary he had - and some of them were not jokes. they were disgusting stories he shared that he said "made him happy".
Good riddance. And I try not to be judgmental, but pedophiles is a line I'm ok to cross.
Other people who do in fact get caught up in old social media shit (like the Brewers pitcher or even the football QB? Josh Allen?) they still need to answer to their teammates and explain themselves, but for a kid who probably used bad judgment quoting rap lyrics or something I have more forgiveness.
Stories of teachers getting fired because they posted a picture of themselves on Facebook on vacation in Europe in a beer and glass of wine in their hands.
Link - ( New Window )
When are we going to recognize that and do something to reign it in?
So basically Silverman is calling out the dude who called out James Gunn on his pedophile tweets, while she herself has posted similar jokes in the past.
Again, what's the selection process for outrage and who gets the mob riled up?
It's bizarre, and frankly terrifying that social media has that much power and is only growing.
Sam Kinison is long dead, and undoubtedly we have moved on from things that got him laughs, developments I would assume most of us think are for the better. Maybe if he had lived he would have too. You think he could host SNL now?
It doesn't take much to get a movement going these days, apparently, and like I said, judge, jury, and execution occurs with lightning like speed.
but social media posts intended to be public by the author being viewed and people shining a light on a likely pedophile is not a bad thing.
Not sure how you draw the line between the good and bad, the mob tactics definitely sweep up some undeserving, but it's hard to ignore the good mixed in with the bad.
I believe without twitter Harvey Weinstein is probably walking around a free man today. and many others right behind him.
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I've always believed that if you're going to make an edgy, offensive joke then you better make sure it's funny - otherwise whatever blow back you receive will be deserved. His jokes weren't funny, and way too numerous.
That being said, this isn't a great reason to fire someone. Perhaps it would be more justified in my mind if he sent out the tweets after he was already signed on the to the Guardians movies - but these tweets were from 8-10 years ago.
And side note, who actually thinks that an actual pedophile would be making jokes on social media about being a pedophile? That's stupid.
Im confused, it isnt a reason to fire him? He works on movies for kids and makes pedo jokes non stop. Why would you want to keep him employed and negatively impacting your brand?
His obsession with the topic makes it more than jokes anyway. I wouldnt let this guy anywhere near my business.
I said it's not a "great" reason to fire him - I don't fault Marvel Studios for making the move. It's a business.
But I also think it's frivolous to fire someone for making crude jokes on twitter (again, 8 to 10 years ago) that weren't actually directed at anyone.
And without seeing all of his other twitter posts and jokes it's hard to tell if he's obsessed over the topic, or if this was just narrowly selected by someone with an agenda.
The guys a predator, and if you understand what he said, and still defend him in anyway, you should lose your job and be gassed.
Zero room in our society for those who harm our children in such ways.
Death is the only answer.
The guys a predator, and if you understand what he said, and still defend him in anyway, you should lose your job and be gassed.
Zero room in our society for those who harm our children in such ways.
Death is the only answer.
You're smart. I like you.
Ian Miles Cheong
Verified account @stillgray
Jul 20
I was defending James Gunn earlier because I thought the extent of his actions was posting edgy jokes on Twitter.
I was wrong. He shared a CP-ish video of pubescent girls alongside an equally disgusting caption by a man who was later convicted for possession of CP.
I feel sick.
Ian Miles Cheong
Verified account @stillgray
Jul 20
I was defending James Gunn earlier because I thought the extent of his actions was posting edgy jokes on Twitter.
I was wrong. He shared a CP-ish video of pubescent girls alongside an equally disgusting caption by a man who was later convicted for possession of CP.
I feel sick.
Wow, I was unsure of the decision to fire him until now. He is a sick individual and I hope authorities investigate his home for child pornography.
ironically, or not, he was an early victim of the twitter mob (and perhaps deservedly so, he seems like a POS too), his opinion means nothing, I pasted the tweet on here only to show that Gunn's "rhetoric" was very likely beyond being a provocateur or bad comedian. He's likely committed crimes related to pedophilia.
So while I do not support twitter justice or mob justice (for anyone) and I agree it can be a slippery slope, in this case I don't think Gunn is a victim, I think he's getting what he deserves, but should probably be investigated by an authority.
So basically Silverman is calling out the dude who called out James Gunn on his pedophile tweets, while she herself has posted similar jokes in the past.
Again, what's the selection process for outrage and who gets the mob riled up?
It's bizarre, and frankly terrifying that social media has that much power and is only growing.
Not many will admit it, but the difference is that Sarah Silverman is hilarious and James Gunn is far from it. His tweets were painfully unfunny. As someone said above: if you dip into edgy comedy, you better be funny or you'll be out on your ass. Pedophilia is also not 90% of Silverman's act.
By today's standards, that's the difference.
However I, too, am concerned about the issues you bring up: that everything you say online could cost you your livelihood at any time in your life. It seems like Gunn cleaned up his act. Perhaps he was forced to remove those tweets by Disney years ago, but people in the industry have come out to say he's a sincerely good guy now. I don't know if I'd personally get along with him, but people should have the opportunity to better themselves.
Ian Miles Cheong
Verified account @stillgray
Jul 20
I was defending James Gunn earlier because I thought the extent of his actions was posting edgy jokes on Twitter.
I was wrong. He shared a CP-ish video of pubescent girls alongside an equally disgusting caption by a man who was later convicted for possession of CP.
I feel sick.
Well, that changes things if true. I admittedly did not read all of his tweets (5 or 6 sick, unfunny jokes was enough for me).
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Sarah Silverman retweeted a post calling out the guy who called out James Gunn, and in that thread, somebody posted a screenshot of a Sarah Silverman tweet from 2009 which read "Hey, is it considered molestation if a child makes the first move? I'm going to need a quick answer on this."
So basically Silverman is calling out the dude who called out James Gunn on his pedophile tweets, while she herself has posted similar jokes in the past.
Again, what's the selection process for outrage and who gets the mob riled up?
It's bizarre, and frankly terrifying that social media has that much power and is only growing.
Not many will admit it, but the difference is that Sarah Silverman is hilarious and James Gunn is far from it. His tweets were painfully unfunny. As someone said above: if you dip into edgy comedy, you better be funny or you'll be out on your ass. Pedophilia is also not 90% of Silverman's act.
By today's standards, that's the difference.
However I, too, am concerned about the issues you bring up: that everything you say online could cost you your livelihood at any time in your life. It seems like Gunn cleaned up his act. Perhaps he was forced to remove those tweets by Disney years ago, but people in the industry have come out to say he's a sincerely good guy now. I don't know if I'd personally get along with him, but people should have the opportunity to better themselves.
But would she defend someone who tweeted the same as Gunn but who was not lockstep with her politically. No fucking way.
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Sarah Silverman retweeted a post calling out the guy who called out James Gunn, and in that thread, somebody posted a screenshot of a Sarah Silverman tweet from 2009 which read "Hey, is it considered molestation if a child makes the first move? I'm going to need a quick answer on this."
So basically Silverman is calling out the dude who called out James Gunn on his pedophile tweets, while she herself has posted similar jokes in the past.
Again, what's the selection process for outrage and who gets the mob riled up?
It's bizarre, and frankly terrifying that social media has that much power and is only growing.
Not many will admit it, but the difference is that Sarah Silverman is hilarious and James Gunn is far from it. His tweets were painfully unfunny. As someone said above: if you dip into edgy comedy, you better be funny or you'll be out on your ass. Pedophilia is also not 90% of Silverman's act.
By today's standards, that's the difference.
However I, too, am concerned about the issues you bring up: that everything you say online could cost you your livelihood at any time in your life. It seems like Gunn cleaned up his act. Perhaps he was forced to remove those tweets by Disney years ago, but people in the industry have come out to say he's a sincerely good guy now. I don't know if I'd personally get along with him, but people should have the opportunity to better themselves.
But would she defend someone who tweeted the same as Gunn but who was not lockstep with her politically. No fucking way.
You couldnt possibly know this unless the situation presented itself which, it hasnt.
amen, brother
One side ran a pedophile for US Senate.
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The left has to play by the same rules as the right. I think both sides have grown entire too sensitive
One side ran a pedophile for US Senate.
Seriously, and if this is about Roseanne, you need to mention that her comments were a personal, racist attack on an individual WHILE she was employed at her job.
And, I havent read most of this thread, but has anyone mentioned the fact that the right wing troll who dig up these old tweets, Mike Cernovich, is an actual rapist and absolute piece of garbage? The right has their darlings, though, I guess.
Like Mike Cernovich
Like Milo
Like Shapiro.
Like Cheeto
Its such a common theme and completely devoid of any intellectual honestly, but I guess when you are actual human trash, you need to resort to these tactics.
How do they not properly vet someone in such a high profile position?
This is something that can be investigated without anyone even knowing, regardless of the person's resume.
I find it hard to believe that no one at Disney knew about this ahead of time.
I dont find it difficult to believe. And on the other hand why should we want to live in a world where every detail of your life should be under scrutiny and investigated by another human or team of humans to be hired for work and collect a paycheck?
People on this thread shift the focus away from the fact that Gunn brought this on himself. He is accountable for his actions. Instead the focus shifts to right wingers who exposed him and their character and whataboutism.
It does not make what Gunn very likely did and is any less reprehensible. People are unhappy that social media is being used this way, well I for one and thrilled if social media helps expose pedophiles. Sorry, I won't weep for people being "found out" because they liked young children or engaged in pedophilia in any way and claim they have changed (maybe).
A likely pedophile was removed (for now) from a position where he could be working with or around children.
that's a good thing. And he should be investigated.
I don't give a flying fuck if the potential pedophile is right wing, left wing, American, Russian, white, black, who gives a shit? And I don't care who exposed them for what they are.
Instead it's but.but but...the right wing had a candidate who was accused of being a pedophile.
but..but..but.. the guy who outed him is a POS shit too?
do you even hear yourselves?
fucking media manipulated coin operated lemmings.
think for your selves for 5 seconds and stop getting your information from the same sources. diversify yourselves a little bit.
What cernovich or Shapiro being POS has anything to do with Gunn likely being a pedophile is some serious rationalization some of you find necessary for some weird reasons. Maybe cognitive dissonance.
this is not a case where you want to pick a side.
On this board. Not surprised to see CiP as one of them.
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Doubt that you didn't read all his tweets..
The guys a predator, and if you understand what he said, and still defend him in anyway, you should lose your job and be gassed.
Zero room in our society for those who harm our children in such ways.
Death is the only answer.
You're smart. I like you.
Thanks, that's rare to see on BBI but it's true, I am. The left defending this child predator on this board will pay bigly for their disgusting degeneracy that will be dealt with in the most efficient and ruthless of ways. Their time is coming
People on this thread shift the focus away from the fact that Gunn brought this on himself. He is accountable for his actions. Instead the focus shifts to right wingers who exposed him and their character and whataboutism.
It does not make what Gunn very likely did and is any less reprehensible. People are unhappy that social media is being used this way, well I for one and thrilled if social media helps expose pedophiles. Sorry, I won't weep for people being "found out" because they liked young children or engaged in pedophilia in any way and claim they have changed (maybe).
A likely pedophile was removed (for now) from a position where he could be working with or around children.
that's a good thing. And he should be investigated.
I don't give a flying fuck if the potential pedophile is right wing, left wing, American, Russian, white, black, who gives a shit? And I don't care who exposed them for what they are.
Instead it's but.but but...the right wing had a candidate who was accused of being a pedophile.
but..but..but.. the guy who outed him is a POS shit too?
do you even hear yourselves?
fucking media manipulated coin operated lemmings.
think for your selves for 5 seconds and stop getting your information from the same sources. diversify yourselves a little bit.
What cernovich or Shapiro being POS has anything to do with Gunn likely being a pedophile is some serious rationalization some of you find necessary for some weird reasons. Maybe cognitive dissonance.
this is not a case where you want to pick a side.
It's beyond even trying to reason with at this point..
This is the line... they lunged past it. That's it. They are all exposing themselves
This is the guy that started Pizzagate, he has accused many others besides Gunn of pedophilia, and he has somehow escaped scrutiny himself because the right wing troll army attacks anyone who tries to expose him. So yes, it does fucking matter. The truth fucking matters.
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Doubt that you didn't read all his tweets..
The guys a predator, and if you understand what he said, and still defend him in anyway, you should lose your job and be gassed.
Zero room in our society for those who harm our children in such ways.
Death is the only answer.
You're smart. I like you.
Thanks, that's rare to see on BBI but it's true, I am. The left defending this child predator on this board will pay bigly for their disgusting degeneracy that will be dealt with in the most efficient and ruthless of ways. Their time is coming
Let's not insult each other's intelligence by thinking both of believe what we've written.
He was a cringey edgelord trying to get social media attention with risque jokes that were not funny.
If you think that makes him an actual pedophile you are reading something into this situation which is not there.
I don't care that he was fired by Disney, either. They have a reputation to protect and made a choice that is sensible, all things considered.
The desire to equate this to Roseanne (current behaviors targeting a specific individual versus ten year old behaviors in general poor taste) seems a little bit of a stretch.
You mean writing and directing two films which have grossed over $1 billion?
Yeah, can't imagine why Disney would want to protect their asset here...
Especially with tweets which are publicly available and published for all to read.
Yup, your totally right. That's exactly what happens
Poor Mr Gun, all he did was tell bad jokes , that's all he did!!! Goodness these right wing snowflakes getting bent out of shape about nothing at all. Just silly jokes, nothing to see. Also definitely not connected to other Hollywood sex networks at all and not any coincidence whatsoever in anyway and if you say otherwise you are a Drumpfturdstain and have no sense of humor.. who doesn't like some nice old fashioned pedo Jokes once or a dozen times here and there, am I right? Oh well, hopefully Mr Gun can get another shot in Hollywood , he sure as heck didn't do anything wrong outside of the silly jokes that are of no coincidence or meaning to the times we live in
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Disney fired a guy because they didn't like what his sense of humor was 7-10 years ago.
Yup, your totally right. That's exactly what happens
Poor Mr Gun, all he did was tell bad jokes , that's all he did!!! Goodness these right wing snowflakes getting bent out of shape about nothing at all. Just silly jokes, nothing to see. Also definitely not connected to other Hollywood sex networks at all and not any coincidence whatsoever in anyway and if you say otherwise you are a Drumpfturdstain and have no sense of humor.. who doesn't like some nice old fashioned pedo Jokes once or a dozen times here and there, am I right? Oh well, hopefully Mr Gun can get another shot in Hollywood , he sure as heck didn't do anything wrong outside of the silly jokes that are of no coincidence or meaning to the times we live in
Again with the loony Right wing Pedo wing conspiracy theories. Howd Pizzagate work out for you guys? Catch a lot of predators in that big sting?
Actually, if you want to look further into Mike Cernovich, you can read all about his posts on 8chan giving child grooming advice to ACTUAL pedophiles. Gunn made some disgusting and unfunny jokes, but theres never been any evidence that they were anything more than that. Its kind of creepy to me that you guys are so HOPING that hes actually a pedophile, though, whats up with that? Creepy.
However, based on the content and volume of his tweets, I believe it's a very likely possibility or at least one that should be investigated. People blanketly saying he's not a pedophile with zero knowledge either a) didn't read the tweet or b) feel Harvey Weinstein is going to prison because of Republicans.
I can't say enough, this should not be an our side vs your side issue. It's a common sense issue, which I get is clouded by confirmation bias, so look at the facts.
Did you read the tweets? Why once this was exposed did Gunn feel he needed to delete 10,000 tweets? If it's all bad comedy he would have just left them there.
Harvey Weinstein had a lot of people saying how great of a person he was too, is that all right-wing conspiracy theories? Sadly, people actually knew what he was, but ignored it and looked past it because they wanted jobs.
I think Gunn should be investigated, as I mentioned above, if he's not guilty he should be treated as such. Yes, damage has been done, but IMO he brought it on himself.
The fact Ceernovich (a legit POS) brought this to light, in no way diminishes the potential severity of Gunn's actions.
life is not binary, Cernovich can be a POS and at the same time Gunn should not be working around kids or for a company like Disney (or should at least be investigated).
However, based on the content and volume of his tweets, I believe it's a very likely possibility or at least one that should be investigated. People blanketly saying he's not a pedophile with zero knowledge either a) didn't read the tweet or b) feel Harvey Weinstein is going to prison because of Republicans.
Hypocrisy Alert.
To be hypocritical for me based on my post would be me pretending to know what people think. When they come right out and say it I don't have to pretend to know what they think.
Hypocrisy is an often used word, not always correctly (like in this case). Kind of like the word patronizing.
Some times you leave a restaurant and they'll have a sign "thank you for patronizing us" when in actuality they meant "they you for your patronage". Patronizing someone is talking down to them like a child, much like I'm doing to you right now.
"People blanketly [sic] saying he's not a pedophile with zero knowledge either a) didn't read the tweet or b) feel Harvey Weinstein is going to prison because of Republicans."
So you can categorically state, with backup, that every person who is not personally involved with him and his situation thinks he is not a pedophile feels that way for only one of those two reasons?
That's quite a super power to know what everyone thinks. So cool that you don't have to pretend!
I love that you think you are not partisan. Totally adorable...
so you telling me that I want him to be a pedophile and me telling you to back off you don't know what I think
makes me saying
based on the content and volume of his pedophilia themed tweets warrants an investigation?
again, neither of you understand the meaning of hypocritical.
per Webster:
His hypocrisy was finally revealed with the publication of his private letters.
; especially : the false assumption of an appearance of virtue or religion
Nothing hypocritical in my post whatsoever. this lesson is on the house. the next one I will invoice you. Is that hypocritical? Or just patronizing?
I love that you think you are not partisan. Totally adorable...
You use the word adorable a lot.
What does this even mean? if Cernovich was running a Disney movie franchise would my standards be the same? Of course. Cernovich is a POS. It in no way changes what Gunn may or may not have done. I support investigating anyone who has the volume of tweets and links to stories and content about pedophilia as Gunn had. It's very straightforward IMO.
Also, I never claimed not to be partisan, we all are even those who don't admit it. I do try and view issues from all sides, I read and follow sources from all sides, I get as many opinions as I can consume, I try and weed through the bullshit and identify what can be corroborated as fact and then form my opinion.
I am not immune from confirmation bias anymore than anyone else. It would be inhuman if I was.
But there is a middle ground I try and get to where others see no middle ground, they ignore what they don't agree with and dismiss it as rhetoric or "right wing nuts" or "left wing nuts"
Even if unsuccessful, I try. and not asking for a medal, but from every thing I see in society today, not a lot of people even make the effort, opinions are formed from first source, with little in the way of fact, and once those opinions get formed people believe things that reinforce those opinions.
The fact you view 10,000 tweets as no evidence is probably the crux of the problem. You see, I do view that as evidence and I read enough of the tweets to form what I believe is an informed opinion.
Did you even read the part about making blanket statements?
You better give lessons on the house because you don't seem to be grasping what people are very pointingly saying.
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Nothing hypocritical in my post whatsoever. this lesson is on the house.
Did you even read the part about making blanket statements?
You better give lessons on the house because you don't seem to be grasping what people are very pointingly saying.
That was in response to Jerry's post below. How the F does Jerry know what Gunn did or didn't do, what he viewed or didn't view? His mountain of tweets about pedophilia present probable cause for an investigation.
JerryNYG has zero way to know any of what he says is fact.
My post about him blanketly claiming Gunn isn't a pedophile is 100% spot-on true and in no way contradicts anything else I've said.
JerryNYG : 7/22/2018 8:19 pm : link : reply
but can we give the "likely pedophile" bullshit a rest?
He was a cringey edgelord trying to get social media attention with risque jokes that were not funny.
If you think that makes him an actual pedophile you are reading something into this situation which is not there.
I don't care that he was fired by Disney, either. They have a reputation to protect and made a choice that is sensible, all things considered.
The desire to equate this to Roseanne (current behaviors targeting a specific individual versus ten year old behaviors in general poor taste) seems a little bit of a stretch.
So if I said Jerry (who was the only one I saw making blanket non-fact based claims) instead of "people" which I used to allow for the potential others may have as well, then this whole tirade by you would go away?
if so that's adorable.
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you said "people". So you're full of shit. I look forward to the next lesson...
So if I said Jerry (who was the only one I saw making blanket non-fact based claims) instead of "people" which I used to allow for the potential others may have as well, then this whole tirade by you would go away?
if so that's adorable.
No, of course not. Because you are a hypocrite, silly!
Ultimately, the lesson here is don't make blanket statements. No matter who you are or the point you are making. It really bugs me that this lesson has to be repeated. Its not like it hasn't been argued already ad nauseum here on BBI.
pj is right that Gunn's tweets may require further investigation. Too many to dismiss. However, others have a right to say they need more evidence before they are ready to crucify the guy. Regardless, the tweets are in really poor taste.
this a productive post.
If the world was filled only with idiots like you Harvey Weinstein would still be raping young actresses.
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Why dont you go apply for a job at the FBI? Youre a regular Sherlock Holmes over here. Podesta doesnt have a chance with you on the case.
this a productive post.
If the world was filled only with idiots like you Harvey Weinstein would still be raping young actresses.
Yes, posts should be productive like this. The king of "Do as I say, not as I do."
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Why dont you go apply for a job at the FBI? Youre a regular Sherlock Holmes over here. Podesta doesnt have a chance with you on the case.
this a productive post.
If the world was filled only with idiots like you Harvey Weinstein would still be raping young actresses.
Yes, posts should be productive like this. The king of "Do as I say, not as I do."
I'm usually not the first one to resort to personal attacks, I don't shy away from controversial opinions I may have, but I do try and keep it on topic and not personal.
if I do get personal I usually apologize.
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Why dont you go apply for a job at the FBI? Youre a regular Sherlock Holmes over here. Podesta doesnt have a chance with you on the case.
this a productive post.
If the world was filled only with idiots like you Harvey Weinstein would still be raping young actresses.
I really dont see how you can equate the two at all. Two entirely different situations, one with many, many witnesses who have come forward with their own stories, and one with joke tweets in poor taste with nobody claiming a single thing about him otherwise. If only people like you were more adamant about people like Roy More, Jim Jordan, Robert Wynn, oh and that other guy who lives in Washington, oh well, his name isnt important. You know, actual sexual predators. Its funny how those guys only seem to get support from one side, but James Gunn? He needs to be investigated.
I have been very consistent here.
Not sure why you don't understand that there are some people who believe that a POS scumbag is a POS scumbag regardless of political affiliation. This (for me) is not an our side vs your side debate.
Cernovich is a scumbag. Roger Ailes was scum bag, Bill O'Reilly a scum bag, based on the evidence, Gunn should be investigated IMO.
Weinstein wasn't a scum bag rapist until he was if you know what I'm saying. His behavior went on for years un-checked.
How do you know what Gunn is doing? My only point all along is there is enough evidence to not dismiss as jokes and definitely worth an investigation.
I think Mike Cernovich is a complete piece of crap and he will get his comeuppance one day - Karma is a bitch
but that said James Gunn is a total idiot for ever posting things like this. and deserves to be fired from GoG Vol 3.
As I said in my first post
When I start working in Web 1.0 we quickly developed
a rule -
Don't ever post anything on internet that you would not want your mother to see
This rule is even more relevant today than in 1995.
What does this have to do with anything?
by the authorities to see if he actually engaged in viewing or worse of child pornography. Strange question, didn't think that was a mystery. Did you read the tweets? He exchanged tweets and shared tweets that came from convicted pedophiles and/or were purported to contain links to child pornography.
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By who and for what exactly?
by the authorities to see if he actually engaged in viewing or worse of child pornography. Strange question, didn't think that was a mystery. Did you read the tweets? He exchanged tweets and shared tweets that came from convicted pedophiles and/or were purported to contain links to child pornography.
Viewing is not the crime possessing is the crime. It also isn't that easy, where was he located when it happened, is it still within the statute of limitations when it occurred (wasn't it ten years ago), did it fit the legal definition of child pornography in the location at the time, etc...
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By who and for what exactly?
by the authorities to see if he actually engaged in viewing or worse of child pornography. Strange question, didn't think that was a mystery. Did you read the tweets? He exchanged tweets and shared tweets that came from convicted pedophiles and/or were purported to contain links to child pornography.
I thought it was the most important question asked.
He has constitutional rights so there would have to be something to legally justify it.
except for Troma. Sick humor is their thing.
I understand the business decision completely, but I personally don't like this social justice stuff unless something criminal was found or evidence he wasn't just being a provocateur.
I don't like what he said and he's getting his own medicine, but I still don't support it. I didn't like the Roseanne thing either.
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but I don�t see how firing him can be disputed. He�s a sick fuck one way or another - either with a really awful sense of humor or by actually engaging in the activities. Either way he�s bad for business, any business. He�s be fired for any company, especially one that makes movies for kids.
except for Troma. Sick humor is their thing.
I understand the business decision completely, but I personally don't like this social justice stuff unless something criminal was found or evidence he wasn't just being a provocateur.
I don't like what he said and he's getting his own medicine, but I still don't support it. I didn't like the Roseanne thing either.
I agree with this in part. I think it sets a terrible precedent to fire someone based on mob pressure. One that can quickly spiral out of control. Already you see more names getting brought up for much less (probably what IMO I'd say are actually just bad jokes).
but based on what I read of the tweets (and not being a legal expert about statutes or what constitutes breaking the law - viewing or possession, etc) I'd expect somehow someone needs to investigate him, whether it's Disney and their IT/security staff or the actual law enforcement authorities, so much smoke often leads to fire.
I'd really hate to have to explain to a parent of a child in one of his projects that yeah, we knew he had literally thousands of pedophilia themed tweets, but we didn't think he was a pedophile. Not sure how you realistically know without an investigation.
This wasn't a one-off bad joke.
Roseanne was fired for political reasons, if you think she was fired for a racist tweet think again, but that's not really directly related to this (outcome).
And ironically, or not, Ben Shapiro, is leading the efforts to get Gunn his job back. Disney has agreed to listen.
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but I don�t see how firing him can be disputed. He�s a sick fuck one way or another - either with a really awful sense of humor or by actually engaging in the activities. Either way he�s bad for business, any business. He�s be fired for any company, especially one that makes movies for kids.
except for Troma. Sick humor is their thing.
I understand the business decision completely, but I personally don't like this social justice stuff unless something criminal was found or evidence he wasn't just being a provocateur.
I don't like what he said and he's getting his own medicine, but I still don't support it. I didn't like the Roseanne thing either.
I agree with this in part. I think it sets a terrible precedent to fire someone based on mob pressure. One that can quickly spiral out of control. Already you see more names getting brought up for much less (probably what IMO I'd say are actually just bad jokes).
but based on what I read of the tweets (and not being a legal expert about statutes or what constitutes breaking the law - viewing or possession, etc) I'd expect somehow someone needs to investigate him, whether it's Disney and their IT/security staff or the actual law enforcement authorities, so much smoke often leads to fire.
I'd really hate to have to explain to a parent of a child in one of his projects that yeah, we knew he had literally thousands of pedophilia themed tweets, but we didn't think he was a pedophile. Not sure how you realistically know without an investigation.
This wasn't a one-off bad joke.
Roseanne was fired for political reasons, if you think she was fired for a racist tweet think again, but that's not really directly related to this (outcome).
And ironically, or not, Ben Shapiro, is leading the efforts to get Gunn his job back. Disney has agreed to listen.
anything that is on social media or in the public domain is being investigated by thousands of fanboys, trolls, or honestly concerned citizens. If they hit on something that would justify an official investigation, I am sure it will happen.
However, in this and every other case, if you are alleging something to be a fact, the burden of proof is on you.
I am saying there is no proof of Gunn being a pedophile. Simple as that.
If new evidence emerges, I will gladly revise my stance.