| The move comes after conservative personalities resurfaced old tweets Thursday in which the filmmaker joked about controversial topics such as pedophelia and rape. Gunn has been an outspoken critic of President Donald Trump |
pretty shocking - but as we used to say in 1996
don't ever put anything online that you wouldn't want your mother to see or read.
bummer he doesn't get to finish the trilogy - hope they get Taika Waititi to replace him
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“For the record, when I made these shocking jokes, I wasn’t living them out,” he continued. “I know this is a weird statement to make, and seems obvious, but, still, here I am, saying it. Anyway, that’s the completely honest truth: I used to make a lot of offensive jokes. I don’t anymore. I don’t blame my past self for this, but I like myself more and feel like a more full human being and creator today.”
“For the record, when I made these shocking jokes, I wasn’t living them out,” he continued. “I know this is a weird statement to make, and seems obvious, but, still, here I am, saying it. Anyway, that’s the completely honest truth: I used to make a lot of offensive jokes. I don’t anymore. I don’t blame my past self for this, but I like myself more and feel like a more full human being and creator today.”
I suggest people read the tweets or at least details about whole story and be informed. I won't ever pretend to know what it's someone's heart, but these did not seem like jokes or at least not jokes a person makes without feeling like the audience reading the jokes is in on it.
He deleted 10,000 tweets over night once the story surfaced, 10,000 tweets that were littered with pedophilia commentary, disgusting stories, and even links to IMO child porn (that obviously I didn't follow to verify, but based on the words in his tweet and the link I took him at his word).
I think he should be investigated so his potential future employers and consumers of his products should know the full extent. Was it truly just off-color jokes or was there more, punishable activities.
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Gunn apologized for the comments in a series of tweets posted Thursday night, writing, ““Many people who have followed my career know when I started, I viewed myself as a provocateur, making movies and telling jokes that were outrageous and taboo. As I have discussed publicly many times, as I’ve developed as a person, so has my work and my humor. It’s not to say I’m better, but I am very, very different than I was a few years ago; today I try to root my work in love and connection and less in anger. My days saying something just because it’s shocking and trying to get a reaction are over.”
“For the record, when I made these shocking jokes, I wasn’t living them out,” he continued. “I know this is a weird statement to make, and seems obvious, but, still, here I am, saying it. Anyway, that’s the completely honest truth: I used to make a lot of offensive jokes. I don’t anymore. I don’t blame my past self for this, but I like myself more and feel like a more full human being and creator today.”
I suggest people read the tweets or at least details about whole story and be informed. I won't ever pretend to know what it's someone's heart, but these did not seem like jokes or at least not jokes a person makes without feeling like the audience reading the jokes is in on it.
He deleted 10,000 tweets over night once the story surfaced, 10,000 tweets that were littered with pedophilia commentary, disgusting stories, and even links to IMO child porn (that obviously I didn't follow to verify, but based on the words in his tweet and the link I took him at his word).
I think he should be investigated so his potential future employers and consumers of his products should know the full extent. Was it truly just off-color jokes or was there more, punishable activities.
1. I read the tweets and took them to be really unfunny, tasteless jokes (and I'm a guy that can chuckle at sick humor, dead baby jokes, etc.). At no point did I think he was actually being serious.
2. There was investigative follow up on the porn "links." They were not pornographic.
Investigate away, but I think he'll only be found guilty of being unfunny and un-PC.
(the you is people who ruin their lives with it, not you guys)
You mean like Roseanne having her show canceled for an off-color joke? What's worse a racist joke or a pedophile joke?
There's no winners in that contest, one loses a show and that action is widely applauded in the media, one loses his job and is a scapegoat or it's payback for his political beliefs.
hmmmmm, what could be different between the two?
I feel for you guys who started careers in the last 10-15 years. You've got to live in fear that some jealous rival, enemy, or nut is going to dig up some sophomoric comment or comments you made as a teenager or college student and try and destroy your career and reputation with it. My generation had the room to grow out of stupid stuff. I think the Europeans are on the right track with a "right to be forgotten."
There are a number of troubling aspects to this, but the political "revenge" motive is not high up there for me. It's actually pretty amazing that it didn't happen sooner. This type of thing will hit both sides.
Ever watch South Park?
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Of a despicable nature or symptom of a character flaw. But the fact that this.was basically revenge for his political positions, or comeuppance for 'doxing' of people who hold contrary political positions, should trouble us.
Both ends of the spectrum do it so I don't feel particularly sorry that this end of the political spectrum got nailed in this particular instance. It's not right, and I don't think lives, families and careers need to be destroyed because of something said 15 or 20 years ago and long-forgotten now dredged up by someone with a motive.
I feel for you guys who started careers in the last 10-15 years. You've got to live in fear that some jealous rival, enemy, or nut is going to dig up some sophomoric comment or comments you made as a teenager or college student and try and destroy your career and reputation with it. My generation had the room to grow out of stupid stuff. I think the Europeans are on the right track with a "right to be forgotten."
I can't speak for Dune, but I think his point is the timing. These aren't a tweet that happened yesterday they are from years ago.
How do they not properly vet someone in such a high profile position?
This is something that can be investigated without anyone even knowing, regardless of the person's resume.
I find it hard to believe that no one at Disney knew about this ahead of time.
I think it was just tasteless humor and I don't like this identity politics warfare which Gunn was also a part of, but I think this statement is spot on. Troma is a shock value company.
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Of a despicable nature or symptom of a character flaw. But the fact that this.was basically revenge for his political positions, or comeuppance for 'doxing' of people who hold contrary political positions, should trouble us.
You mean like Roseanne having her show canceled for an off-color joke? What's worse a racist joke or a pedophile joke?
There's no winners in that contest, one loses a show and that action is widely applauded in the media, one loses his job and is a scapegoat or it's payback for his political beliefs.
hmmmmm, what could be different between the two?
You are right, that said, I know someone else who is still throwing out offensive tweets on a daily basis, and there is no-one more deserving of getting there walking papers..
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Of a despicable nature or symptom of a character flaw. But the fact that this.was basically revenge for his political positions, or comeuppance for 'doxing' of people who hold contrary political positions, should trouble us.
You mean like Roseanne having her show canceled for an off-color joke? What's worse a racist joke or a pedophile joke?
There's no winners in that contest, one loses a show and that action is widely applauded in the media, one loses his job and is a scapegoat or it's payback for his political beliefs.
hmmmmm, what could be different between the two?
You are right, that said, I know someone else who is still throwing out offensive tweets on a daily basis, and there is no-one more deserving of getting there walking papers..
Better get used to the tweets, because he's going to be on the job until 2024.
While the Polanski support is bizzare and wrong, I can’t bring myself to use it as an example every time “Hollywood” tries to repair its image. They fucked up with Polanski but I won’t use that as an excuse to not applaud them for making better choices now.
This dude seems like, at the very least, a pile of garbage. Whether he’s a monster or not I don’t know, but it’s pretty clear to me he took pride in the things he posted, wasn’t just for comedic value.
That being said, this isn't a great reason to fire someone. Perhaps it would be more justified in my mind if he sent out the tweets after he was already signed on the to the Guardians movies - but these tweets were from 8-10 years ago.
And side note, who actually thinks that an actual pedophile would be making jokes on social media about being a pedophile? That's stupid.
That being said, this isn't a great reason to fire someone. Perhaps it would be more justified in my mind if he sent out the tweets after he was already signed on the to the Guardians movies - but these tweets were from 8-10 years ago.
And side note, who actually thinks that an actual pedophile would be making jokes on social media about being a pedophile? That's stupid.
I’m confused, it isn’t a reason to fire him? He works on movies for kids and makes pedo jokes non stop. Why would you want to keep him employed and negatively impacting your brand?
His obsession with the topic makes it more than jokes anyway. I wouldn’t let this guy anywhere near my business.
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Of a despicable nature or symptom of a character flaw. But the fact that this.was basically revenge for his political positions, or comeuppance for 'doxing' of people who hold contrary political positions, should trouble us.
You mean like Roseanne having her show canceled for an off-color joke? What's worse a racist joke or a pedophile joke?
There's no winners in that contest, one loses a show and that action is widely applauded in the media, one loses his job and is a scapegoat or it's payback for his political beliefs.
hmmmmm, what could be different between the two?
You are right, that said, I know someone else who is still throwing out offensive tweets on a daily basis, and there is no-one more deserving of getting there walking papers..
the people who "employ" that someone else have an opportunity to not "renew his contract" in 2020. Never has there been a better opportunity for people to use their voices.
free speech in the US always had consequences, only now that speech is permanent based on the medium, and you can't retract or apologize away some comments for some people.
Scary to think something I said when I was young could cost me my job, livelihood, and family's ability to eat today (not that I would have said anything like what is being discussed here, but we've all made dumb statements in our lives).
(I'm not defending Gunn, just a general statement).
How many pedophile jokes have comedians made over the years? High profile comedians... What's the selection process for outrage?
So basically Silverman is calling out the dude who called out James Gunn on his pedophile tweets, while she herself has posted similar jokes in the past.
Again, what's the selection process for outrage and who gets the mob riled up?
It's bizarre, and frankly terrifying that social media has that much power and is only growing.
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Of a despicable nature or symptom of a character flaw. But the fact that this.was basically revenge for his political positions, or comeuppance for 'doxing' of people who hold contrary political positions, should trouble us.
You mean like Roseanne having her show canceled for an off-color joke? What's worse a racist joke or a pedophile joke?
There's no winners in that contest, one loses a show and that action is widely applauded in the media, one loses his job and is a scapegoat or it's payback for his political beliefs.
hmmmmm, what could be different between the two?
You are right, that said, I know someone else who is still throwing out offensive tweets on a daily basis, and there is no-one more deserving of getting there walking papers..
Better get used to the tweets, because he's going to be on the job until 2024.
Can’t say I agree, I think enough damage has been done to see a change in 2020.
That said, what’s going to continue, unfortunately, are the divisive tweets. And that’s what gets me. People like Gunn, Rosanne and others face consequences from their tweets..
the real crime here IMO is how Duplass' followers and the twitter mob turned on him for his tweet, which I supported. And forced him to apologize. For what? For suggesting we could learn from each other. That's where the first stone (in this case) was thrown.
You may feel Shapiro is a loathsome person, that is irrelevant, but when Gunn, and his closet packed with skeletons decides to venture into into "open space" and lob grenades, he needs to be prepared for return fire.
Zero sympathy for Gunn who I do believe is more than a comedian or provacateur, he seems legit pedophile-ish. No one makes that many jokes about young boys with the commentary he had - and some of them were not jokes. they were disgusting stories he shared that he said "made him happy".
Good riddance. And I try not to be judgmental, but pedophiles is a line I'm ok to cross.
Other people who do in fact get caught up in old social media shit (like the Brewers pitcher or even the football QB? Josh Allen?) they still need to answer to their teammates and explain themselves, but for a kid who probably used bad judgment quoting rap lyrics or something I have more forgiveness.
Stories of teachers getting fired because they posted a picture of themselves on Facebook on vacation in Europe in a beer and glass of wine in their hands.
Link - ( New Window )
When are we going to recognize that and do something to reign it in?
So basically Silverman is calling out the dude who called out James Gunn on his pedophile tweets, while she herself has posted similar jokes in the past.
Again, what's the selection process for outrage and who gets the mob riled up?
It's bizarre, and frankly terrifying that social media has that much power and is only growing.
Sam Kinison is long dead, and undoubtedly we have moved on from things that got him laughs, developments I would assume most of us think are for the better. Maybe if he had lived he would have too. You think he could host SNL now?
It doesn't take much to get a movement going these days, apparently, and like I said, judge, jury, and execution occurs with lightning like speed.
but social media posts intended to be public by the author being viewed and people shining a light on a likely pedophile is not a bad thing.
Not sure how you draw the line between the good and bad, the mob tactics definitely sweep up some undeserving, but it's hard to ignore the good mixed in with the bad.
I believe without twitter Harvey Weinstein is probably walking around a free man today. and many others right behind him.
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I've always believed that if you're going to make an edgy, offensive joke then you better make sure it's funny - otherwise whatever blow back you receive will be deserved. His jokes weren't funny, and way too numerous.
That being said, this isn't a great reason to fire someone. Perhaps it would be more justified in my mind if he sent out the tweets after he was already signed on the to the Guardians movies - but these tweets were from 8-10 years ago.
And side note, who actually thinks that an actual pedophile would be making jokes on social media about being a pedophile? That's stupid.
I’m confused, it isn’t a reason to fire him? He works on movies for kids and makes pedo jokes non stop. Why would you want to keep him employed and negatively impacting your brand?
His obsession with the topic makes it more than jokes anyway. I wouldn’t let this guy anywhere near my business.
I said it's not a "great" reason to fire him - I don't fault Marvel Studios for making the move. It's a business.
But I also think it's frivolous to fire someone for making crude jokes on twitter (again, 8 to 10 years ago) that weren't actually directed at anyone.
And without seeing all of his other twitter posts and jokes it's hard to tell if he's obsessed over the topic, or if this was just narrowly selected by someone with an agenda.