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NFT: Mets VS Yankees Game 1. Thor VS Germán

ZGiants98 : 7/20/2018 4:20 pm
Mets Lineup

Brandon Nimmo – RF
Yoenis Cespedes – DH
Asdrubal Cabrera – 2B
Wilmer Flores – 1B
Michael Conforto – LF
Jose Bautista – 3B
Devin Mesoraco – C
Amed Rosario – SS
Matt den Dekker – CF

Yankees Lineup

Brett Gardner – LF
Aaron Judge – DH
Didi Gregorius – SS
Giancarlo Stanton – RF
Aaron Hicks – CF
Gary Sanchez – C
Greg Bird – 1B
Miguel Andujar – 3B
Neil Walker – 2B
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Olney says trade close  
Eric on Li : 7/20/2018 10:47 pm : link
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Mets are working to finish a trade of closer Jeurys Familia. Oakland among the team with interest; Cubs not involved.
RE: I have this sick feeling  
Mike in NY : 7/20/2018 10:47 pm : link
In comment 14017372 Knineteen said:
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the Mets aren't pitching Familia because they don't want his stock to go down when he blows the save.

Why else could they not be pitching him?!


Don’t want to risk a strained oblique
Makes absolutely no sense NOT to pitch him  
Knineteen : 7/20/2018 10:48 pm : link
unless a deal has already been made or will be made in the next hour.

I don't understand any of this. He's the closer! Make him close!
I know this is the "game thread"  
Eric on Li : 7/20/2018 10:49 pm : link
but really hope they get 1 of those starters out of Oakland.
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bluesince56 : 7/20/2018 10:49 pm : link
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left on. Thru 7.

Oy!



It’s home run or nothing with these guys. This won’t cut it in the playoffs.


You fucking idiot! You’re seeing first hand what happens when they don’t hit HRs! They’ve had a billion singles, so what the hell are you talking about? This is the exact game all you ass clowns have been crying for.

So if I have this right, even when they have a billion hits in a game that doesn’t include a HR, it’s HR or nothing? That’s the fucking problem with your asinine complaints. How many hits does it take to score runs?

Amazing. Even when the clowns see evidence that their HR or nothing complaints are laughable, they STILL bring it up in real time. Clueless.


So let me get this straight. I offer a point of view that you don’t agree with and I’m and idiot. OK, I get it . Let’s just accept your point of view on everything and all will be right in the world. Right before the All Star break they showed a stat that since June and half of July the Yanks are 22th in the league with men in scoring position.
RE: Yep Betances would have worked too  
Eman11 : 7/20/2018 10:49 pm : link
In comment 14017367 Kyle in NY said:
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Boone has not exactly impressed during this recent stretch


Cole's been good so far this year and has to do better there but no question, Boone has some head scratchers recently.

The only thing I can think of is he has an eye on tomorrow with Gray pitching. I hate that thinking as I say go for the game you're playing but I'm betting it's because of Gray.
This really  
pjcas18 : 7/20/2018 10:49 pm : link
has to piss off the Red Sox or other teams the Yankees are battling with.

not that Familia is a sure thing, but better than a 2nd inning from Gsellman
RE: Makes absolutely no sense NOT to pitch him  
ZGiants98 : 7/20/2018 10:50 pm : link
In comment 14017377 Knineteen said:
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unless a deal has already been made or will be made in the next hour.

I don't understand any of this. He's the closer! Make him close!


They are likely very close to agreeing to a deal in which case there is no way they risk injuring him.
RE: Makes absolutely no sense NOT to pitch him  
Eric on Li : 7/20/2018 10:50 pm : link
In comment 14017377 Knineteen said:
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unless a deal has already been made or will be made in the next hour.

I don't understand any of this. He's the closer! Make him close!


True, if they win tonight they can stay within 14 games of the division.
RE: Makes absolutely no sense NOT to pitch him  
pjcas18 : 7/20/2018 10:51 pm : link
In comment 14017377 Knineteen said:
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unless a deal has already been made or will be made in the next hour.

I don't understand any of this. He's the closer! Make him close!


Players get pulled from games all the time when their teams are in final trade negotiations. Why does this surprise you? It's pretty common.
and now Rosenthal  
Eric on Li : 7/20/2018 10:52 pm : link
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Source confirms: Familia on verge of getting traded to unknown team, as @Buster_ESPN said.
RE: RE: Makes absolutely no sense NOT to pitch him  
steve in ky : 7/20/2018 10:52 pm : link
In comment 14017384 pjcas18 said:
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unless a deal has already been made or will be made in the next hour.

I don't understand any of this. He's the closer! Make him close!



Players get pulled from games all the time when their teams are in final trade negotiations. Why does this surprise you? It's pretty common.


Yeah this is a pretty common practice
RE: RE: Makes absolutely no sense NOT to pitch him  
Knineteen : 7/20/2018 10:52 pm : link
In comment 14017382 ZGiants98 said:
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They are likely very close to agreeing to a deal in which case there is no way they risk injuring him.

And if the deal falls through?

If the deal is done or if they have a deal in principle, fine.
But any other scenario makes no sense to hold him out here.

He's on the roster until such time that he is traded. Until such time, make him play.
RE: and now Rosenthal  
Mike in NY : 7/20/2018 10:52 pm : link
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Source confirms: Familia on verge of getting traded to unknown team, as @Buster_ESPN said.


If it is Oakland I hope Luzardo is included
RE: RE: and now Rosenthal  
Eric on Li : 7/20/2018 10:53 pm : link
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Source confirms: Familia on verge of getting traded to unknown team, as @Buster_ESPN said.



If it is Oakland I hope Luzardo is included


That would be an awesome get. I'd also take the starter the Yankees sent them just about to come back from TJS.
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BleedBlue : 7/20/2018 10:53 pm : link
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left on. Thru 7.

Oy!



It’s home run or nothing with these guys. This won’t cut it in the playoffs.


You fucking idiot! You’re seeing first hand what happens when they don’t hit HRs! They’ve had a billion singles, so what the hell are you talking about? This is the exact game all you ass clowns have been crying for.

So if I have this right, even when they have a billion hits in a game that doesn’t include a HR, it’s HR or nothing? That’s the fucking problem with your asinine complaints. How many hits does it take to score runs?

Amazing. Even when the clowns see evidence that their HR or nothing complaints are laughable, they STILL bring it up in real time. Clueless.



So let me get this straight. I offer a point of view that you don’t agree with and I’m and idiot. OK, I get it . Let’s just accept your point of view on everything and all will be right in the world. Right before the All Star break they showed a stat that since June and half of July the Yanks are 22th in the league with men in scoring position.


Exactly....they are bad with RISP.

RE: RE: RE: Makes absolutely no sense NOT to pitch him  
ZGiants98 : 7/20/2018 10:54 pm : link
In comment 14017387 Knineteen said:
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They are likely very close to agreeing to a deal in which case there is no way they risk injuring him.


And if the deal falls through?

If the deal is done or if they have a deal in principle, fine.
But any other scenario makes no sense to hold him out here.

He's on the roster until such time that he is traded. Until such time, make him play.


Weird logic. Teams hold out players on the verge of being traded all the time. What benefit is to the Mets to play him? We are about to go into a firesale. Do you think wins matter anymore?
Wonder if they just held the announcement until after the game  
Eric on Li : 7/20/2018 10:56 pm : link
guess we'll see. Nice job by the g-unit to close it out.
Cole has been good  
Stu11 : 7/20/2018 10:56 pm : link
But you go to him in a spot in the middle innings to keep you in the game, not the 9th inning of a 1 run game. Meh they went down meekly in the 9th any way. Tough loss. A ton of baserunners and we couldn't deliver the key hit to tie it or go ahead.
RE: RE: RE: RE: Makes absolutely no sense NOT to pitch him  
Knineteen : 7/20/2018 10:56 pm : link
In comment 14017392 ZGiants98 said:
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Weird logic. Teams hold out players on the verge of being traded all the time. What benefit is to the Mets to play him? We are about to go into a firesale. Do you think wins matter anymore?

Yes, the players and manager are trying to win. The Red Sox probably want the Mets to put their best foot forward.

He also hasn't pitched in six days. We're not talking about a tired pitcher here.
.....  
BleedBlue : 7/20/2018 10:57 pm : link
Lose to the Mets lmao....

6 pitchers used yikes.
14 LOB.  
Photoguy : 7/20/2018 10:57 pm : link
Holy crap.
Lots of infuriating losses lately  
Kyle in NY : 7/20/2018 10:57 pm : link
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I wonder which of the 3 gms is on the phone right now  
Eric on Li : 7/20/2018 10:58 pm : link
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The Giants have also been among the teams which have expressed interest in Familia; Braves not involved.
5.5 games out.  
bceagle05 : 7/20/2018 10:58 pm : link
All these German, Cessa, Loaisiga and - sadly - Sonny Gray starts are catching up to us in the division race.
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ZGiants98 : 7/20/2018 10:58 pm : link
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Weird logic. Teams hold out players on the verge of being traded all the time. What benefit is to the Mets to play him? We are about to go into a firesale. Do you think wins matter anymore?


Yes, the players and manager are trying to win. The Red Sox probably want the Mets to put their best foot forward.

He also hasn't pitched in six days. We're not talking about a tired pitcher here.


We should do it for the Red Sox? Ok. You dont get it. Have a good one man.
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steve in ky : 7/20/2018 10:58 pm : link
In comment 14017395 Knineteen said:
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Weird logic. Teams hold out players on the verge of being traded all the time. What benefit is to the Mets to play him? We are about to go into a firesale. Do you think wins matter anymore?


Yes, the players and manager are trying to win. The Red Sox probably want the Mets to put their best foot forward.

He also hasn't pitched in six days. We're not talking about a tired pitcher here.


But it had nothing to do with his needing rest. If he is about to be traded it is about avoiding injury.
Famillia  
pjcas18 : 7/20/2018 10:59 pm : link
seen hugging teammates.

I wonder if Flores is going to cry.
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pjcas18 : 7/20/2018 10:59 pm : link
Familia*
RE: Cole has been good  
Eman11 : 7/20/2018 11:01 pm : link
In comment 14017394 Stu11 said:
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But you go to him in a spot in the middle innings to keep you in the game, not the 9th inning of a 1 run game. Meh they went down meekly in the 9th any way. Tough loss. A ton of baserunners and we couldn't deliver the key hit to tie it or go ahead.


I agree Stu. I was just offering up a guess as to why Boone went to him and not Robby or Betances. Boone's managed games with on an eye on the next one before and I wouldn't be surprised if he was doing it again tonight.

They went meekly in the 9th but no doubt that 7th run there took some momentum away from them.
RE: RE: RE: RE: 11 men  
BigBlueShock : 7/20/2018 11:01 pm : link
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left on. Thru 7.

Oy!



It’s home run or nothing with these guys. This won’t cut it in the playoffs.


You fucking idiot! You’re seeing first hand what happens when they don’t hit HRs! They’ve had a billion singles, so what the hell are you talking about? This is the exact game all you ass clowns have been crying for.

So if I have this right, even when they have a billion hits in a game that doesn’t include a HR, it’s HR or nothing? That’s the fucking problem with your asinine complaints. How many hits does it take to score runs?

Amazing. Even when the clowns see evidence that their HR or nothing complaints are laughable, they STILL bring it up in real time. Clueless.



So let me get this straight. I offer a point of view that you don’t agree with and I’m and idiot. OK, I get it . Let’s just accept your point of view on everything and all will be right in the world. Right before the All Star break they showed a stat that since June and half of July the Yanks are 22th in the league with men in scoring position.

So what does hitting HRs have to do with hitting with RISP? You honestly think these guys are up there trying to hit HRs? They have 14 hits tonight but suddenly want to hit HRs when runners are in scoring position?

I’m gonna clue you in. It’s hard to string together enough hits to score runs in today’s game. And I can also guarantee you that guys aren’t up there trying to hit HRs. You seen first hand tonight what hitting singles can do, yet it’s still HR or nothing, lol. Maybe, just maybe HRs have a tendency to score more runs than stringing together singles? Or do HRs only suck when they don’t get a hit with RISP? Then it’s all the HRs fault, right?
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Vanzetti : 7/20/2018 11:03 pm : link
so it begins
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Knineteen : 7/20/2018 11:05 pm : link
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We should do it for the Red Sox? Ok. You dont get it. Have a good one man.

Yeah, I get it...still no trade. Game is over.

Where's the trade, boss?
German to AAA  
bigbluehoya : 7/20/2018 11:21 pm : link
Cessa into the rotation.

Gross. Send help.
astros or A's  
CMicks3110 : 7/20/2018 11:23 pm : link
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Mets have done extensive scouting of the Houston Astros farm system, so perhaps Familia is a fit for the Astros. Back end of the Houston bullpen an obvious area of concern.

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Sources: Mets have an agreement on structure of a Familia trade, but not finalized.
RE: German to AAA  
Kyle in NY : 7/20/2018 11:29 pm : link
In comment 14017428 bigbluehoya said:
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Cessa into the rotation.

Gross. Send help.


Threw well tonight and in his last MLB start. Just about anything is better than German right now. I’m not quite sure why they’re waiting with Justus. I don’t buy that they don’t want to expose him before a potential trade. One or two starts isn’t going to affect his value much.
RE: RE: German to AAA  
BigBlueShock : 7/20/2018 11:31 pm : link
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Cessa into the rotation.

Gross. Send help.



Threw well tonight and in his last MLB start. Just about anything is better than German right now. I’m not quite sure why they’re waiting with Justus. I don’t buy that they don’t want to expose him before a potential trade. One or two starts isn’t going to affect his value much.

It’s all about innings limits. They want him available deep into October. It’s that simple
Familia traded to Oakland pending  
ZGiants98 : 7/20/2018 11:43 pm : link
medicals.
Not sure about that  
Kyle in NY : 7/20/2018 11:45 pm : link
It’s not like he’s being held out in AAA, he’s regularly throwing 90-100 pitches each start. He’s building up his innings anyway. Might as well do it with the big club
RE: Not sure about that  
rich in DC : 7/21/2018 1:32 am : link
In comment 14017450 Kyle in NY said:
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It’s not like he’s being held out in AAA, he’s regularly throwing 90-100 pitches each start. He’s building up his innings anyway. Might as well do it with the big club


Actually, Sheffield has not made a start since July 8. The International League had a 3 day All Star break at that time, before resuming on the 12th.

SWB went through their rotation once after that- skipping Sheffield. Then, they ran through their rotation again- and this time, will start Sheffield on Saturday, July 21.

It will have been 13 days between starts for Sheffield.

Assuming that Sheffield goes 6 innings in that start, and makes one more start before the end of July- and makes 6 innings in that one, he will be up to around 97-100 IP for the season.

Keep in mind that Sheffield's prior career high in IP is 128. Generally, the Yanks only add on about 30-40 IP to a pitcher's prior career high- so his cap would be somewhere around 160-165 IP.

Assuming he gets to about 100 at the end of July, if the Yanks called him up and put him in the rotation, he would make about 6 starts a month. Let's assume he goes 6 in each- that would be about 36 IP a month, or a total around 72 by the end of September.

Therefore, he is probably running around 10-20 IP ahead of where they want him to be. That means they need to skip at least one start and probably limit him to around 5 IP in several more.

In that case, in order to handle him with care, the Yanks might not be able to call him up until somewhere in mid-late August.

Sheffield is going to be a big part of their rotation plans going forward, so it does not do the Yanks any good to just throw him out there, throw too many innings and get hurt just because they aren't getting good starts from their 5th SP.

My guess- he gets limited in the Saturday outing and then they give him 6-7 days between starts for another 2-3 starts. That's mid August if they do that for 3 starts after Saturday. That might get him on the right pace
Lotta games still to go...  
M.S. : 7/21/2018 4:12 am : link

...but the Yankees starting rotation is making this team look more and more like a Wild Card playoff team as we enter the dog days of summer.

Lotta games still to go...  
M.S. : 7/21/2018 4:12 am : link

...but the Yankees starting rotation is making this team look more and more like a Wild Card playoff team as we enter the dog days of summer.

Boone  
Mike Graves : 7/21/2018 4:31 am : link
Has done a terrible job this month, he made a lot of poor decisions the last road trip and this rotation to start the second half is a head scratcher. You don’t start German and gray your two worst pitchers out of the break when your 4.5 games behind the Red Sox i don’t care if it’s the Mets. The Mets were going to be up for this series what did you expect? I knew the Mets would be tough this weekend. But regardless it is still another loss to a team with a losing record and now yanks are 5.5 back this guy has managed like the Yankees have been up 13 games it’s very frustrating
Lotta games still to go...  
M.S. : 7/21/2018 4:11 am : link

...but the Yankees starting rotation is making this team look more and more like a Wild Card playoff team as we enter the dog days of summer.

Photoguy  
13ODB : 7/21/2018 7:44 am : link
Big blue shock gets on every poster here that speaks the truth he is your classic Dbag. He thinks the team is perfect yet they are 5.5 back all he does is curse and talk down to people and amazingly he’s still allowed to post
RE: 5.5 games out.  
13ODB : 7/21/2018 7:48 am : link
In comment 14017400 bceagle05 said:
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All these German, Cessa, Loaisiga and - sadly - Sonny Gray starts are catching up to us in the division race.



Huh??? Cessa and gray beat Baltimore last week. Let’s try another excuse. How about you loom to this overrated Yankee offense how many guys have they left on base in all their losses in July????
RE: Lotta games still to go...  
13ODB : 7/21/2018 7:49 am : link
In comment 14017504 M.S. said:
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...but the Yankees starting rotation is making this team look more and more like a Wild Card playoff team as we enter the dog days of summer.


Yup blame they rotation when they are ranked 22nd in all of baseball with risp
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Eman11 : 7/21/2018 8:21 am : link
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...but the Yankees starting rotation is making this team look more and more like a Wild Card playoff team as we enter the dog days of summer.




Yup blame they rotation when they are ranked 22nd in all of baseball with risp


Wait, aren't you one of the "this team doesn't get singles" guys? Complaining if they don't hit HR's they don't score and need more regular hits? How did that work out last night?

They got plenty of hits last night, just not timely ones, furthering the point it's hard to string together a few hits to score.

Personally I don't care how they score, just that they do. They certainly could've scored a bunch more last night but five runs should've been more than enough to beat this Mets team. You can blame RISP but it was the starting pitcher who cost them last night. If they win 5-1 or 5-2, people would be bummed they didn't score more but would still be pleased they hit as well as they did and won the game.

It's only because they lost anyone is pointing to the RISP, but someone could also complain they didn't hit any HR's because that would've won the game as well. Fact is German didn't do his job against a weak hitting/scoring team and that's where the blame begins and ends IMO.
Domingo Acevedo called up  
bigbluehoya : 7/21/2018 10:29 am : link
Cessa started yesterday for Trenton, so no sense wasting the 25-man spot during his standard rest period.

Acevedo probably not quite ready for the big show yet according to most reports, but if one of the next 3-4 games has garbage time (for better or worse), might see him for a couple of innings I guess.
The Yankees are on pace to win over 100 games  
arniefez : 7/21/2018 11:03 am : link
They should easily win the home field wild card if they don't win the division. If that's the route they have to take they'll just have to deal with and hope Severino is ready and good that night. The AL is loaded with excellent playoff teams. Houston, Boston and Cleveland all could win the WS. It's kind of an NBA season this year. We're just killing time waiting for the playoffs which should be great theater.
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