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NFT: Mets VS Yankees Game 1. Thor VS Germn

ZGiants98 : 7/20/2018 4:20 pm
Mets Lineup

Brandon Nimmo RF
Yoenis Cespedes DH
Asdrubal Cabrera 2B
Wilmer Flores 1B
Michael Conforto LF
Jose Bautista 3B
Devin Mesoraco C
Amed Rosario SS
Matt den Dekker CF

Yankees Lineup

Brett Gardner LF
Aaron Judge DH
Didi Gregorius SS
Giancarlo Stanton RF
Aaron Hicks CF
Gary Sanchez C
Greg Bird 1B
Miguel Andujar 3B
Neil Walker 2B
This thread should go well  
Jay on the Island : 7/20/2018 4:22 pm : link
lol
Sanchez back!  
Dan in the Springs : 7/20/2018 4:23 pm : link
C'mon El Gary!
Well if for nothing else it will be nice to see  
ZGiants98 : 7/20/2018 4:24 pm : link
Close to a full Mets team on the field for a couple of weeks. Hasnt been the case since mid-May. Familia expected to get traded before the weekend is out however.
I swear  
Greg from LI : 7/20/2018 4:24 pm : link
For years now, it seems like every Mets lineup I see has a guy I've never heard of. Who is Matt den Dekker?
RE: Well if for nothing else it will be nice to see  
Jay on the Island : 7/20/2018 4:25 pm : link
In comment 14017083 ZGiants98 said:
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Close to a full Mets team on the field for a couple of weeks. Hasnt been the case since mid-May. Familia expected to get traded before the weekend is out however.

Until Cespedes pulls a hamstring in the 3rd inning.
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arcarsenal : 7/20/2018 4:25 pm : link
RE: RE: Well if for nothing else it will be nice to see  
ZGiants98 : 7/20/2018 4:27 pm : link
In comment 14017088 Jay on the Island said:
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In comment 14017083 ZGiants98 said:


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Close to a full Mets team on the field for a couple of weeks. Hasnt been the case since mid-May. Familia expected to get traded before the weekend is out however.


Until Cespedes pulls a hamstring in the 3rd inning.


Of course. Lol.
RE: I swear  
Everyone Relax : 7/20/2018 4:29 pm : link
In comment 14017086 Greg from LI said:
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For years now, it seems like every Mets lineup I see has a guy I've never heard of. Who is Matt den Dekker?


Former Mets prospect > former Mets non prospect > Mets bench player > former Met > Met again!
RE: I swear  
ZGiants98 : 7/20/2018 4:29 pm : link
In comment 14017086 Greg from LI said:
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For years now, it seems like every Mets lineup I see has a guy I've never heard of. Who is Matt den Dekker?


Defense only glove that cant hit. AAAA scrub.
LGM  
Metnut : 7/20/2018 4:37 pm : link
We badly need a good second half to get some better vibes around the team.

Looking at the pitching matchups for this series and it's a big crazy that one of these teams is 21.5 game better than the other one.
Cespedes is back  
Rflairr : 7/20/2018 4:37 pm : link
Yanks are in big shit
Yanks had an open spot on roster...  
BC Eagles94 : 7/20/2018 4:40 pm : link
As they sent down Red Thunder when we went into the All-Star break...so Brendan Drury called back up today. Would be nice to get him on track. Then we can ditch Walker at some point. I was in the keep Walker camp all year too, unlike most. I was patient with his terrible April, loved his May as he is a professional that works counts, and thought he had turned it around. But it is apparent he just doesn't have what it takes to be successful as utility bench player. And that is all he'll ever be for us this year.
Walker  
Eman11 : 7/20/2018 4:44 pm : link
Over Wade again. They're giving this guy every opportunity and then some to show something. Anyone else wondering why so much Walker when he's really not produced much?

I thought for sure we'd be seeing more Wade especially after his three hit game last week and Boone saying he's earning more playing time. I think he's played once since then, if that. Why even say that if you're not going to follow through on it?
RE: Walker  
adamg : 7/20/2018 4:56 pm : link
In comment 14017112 Eman11 said:
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Over Wade again. They're giving this guy every opportunity and then some to show something. Anyone else wondering why so much Walker when he's really not produced much?

I thought for sure we'd be seeing more Wade especially after his three hit game last week and Boone saying he's earning more playing time. I think he's played once since then, if that. Why even say that if you're not going to follow through on it?


I'm hoping it's a final hurrah for Walker. As in, they're giving him every opportunity before they package him with whatever prospects are going out for a SP. Walker and a lotto ticket for JA Happ.
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arcarsenal : 7/20/2018 5:01 pm : link
Boone must think Walker will perform better if he plays more often - but with Torres about ready to return, it's not going to happen. I'd rather just see Drury or Wade. Walker sucks. No reason for him to keep getting burn.
Frasier out with concucssion symptoms  
superspynyg : 7/20/2018 5:02 pm : link
again.
RE: RE: Walker  
chopperhatch : 7/20/2018 5:08 pm : link
In comment 14017117 adamg said:
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In comment 14017112 Eman11 said:


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Over Wade again. They're giving this guy every opportunity and then some to show something. Anyone else wondering why so much Walker when he's really not produced much?

I thought for sure we'd be seeing more Wade especially after his three hit game last week and Boone saying he's earning more playing time. I think he's played once since then, if that. Why even say that if you're not going to follow through on it?



I'm hoping it's a final hurrah for Walker. As in, they're giving him every opportunity before they package him with whatever prospects are going out for a SP. Walker and a lotto ticket for JA Happ.


Im wondering if its Wade they are trying to package. Maybe if the last thing a team remembers is the consecutive games he hit in they will be more likely to accept a combo of him and lesser prospects in place of a bigger name.
RE: RE: RE: Walker  
Eman11 : 7/20/2018 5:21 pm : link
In comment 14017128 chopperhatch said:
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In comment 14017117 adamg said:


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In comment 14017112 Eman11 said:


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Over Wade again. They're giving this guy every opportunity and then some to show something. Anyone else wondering why so much Walker when he's really not produced much?

I thought for sure we'd be seeing more Wade especially after his three hit game last week and Boone saying he's earning more playing time. I think he's played once since then, if that. Why even say that if you're not going to follow through on it?



I'm hoping it's a final hurrah for Walker. As in, they're giving him every opportunity before they package him with whatever prospects are going out for a SP. Walker and a lotto ticket for JA Happ.



Im wondering if its Wade they are trying to package. Maybe if the last thing a team remembers is the consecutive games he hit in they will be more likely to accept a combo of him and lesser prospects in place of a bigger name.


Could be chopper but doesn't it make sense to ride the hot guy? If they were going to include him in a trade, getting more playing time and doing well would increase his value. If they were looking to trade him, selling high off a couple of good games isn't as good as off a couple of good weeks.

Plus, he can friggin help this team win now as he might very well have finally figured out his bat at the major league level. That's what bugs me in all of this. He's got a better glove than Walker too plus brings a speed element. I can honestly see him being a big plus come playoff time in addition to helping now.
Walker has hit the ball hard lately...sadly, often right at someone.  
yatqb : 7/20/2018 5:40 pm : link
At least it lets us use Wade as a PR at some point. His speed is outstanding.
I am not a fan of Fulmer  
robbieballs2003 : 7/20/2018 5:44 pm : link
but he is a potential SP that could get traded ... well, until now. The Tigers just put him on the 10 day DL with an oblique strain.
We all know am a Walker hater but ...  
BCD : 7/20/2018 6:30 pm : link
sadly I still root for the poor guy...hopefully his hard hit balls will have better eyes because with him if it wasn't for bad luck he'd have no luck at all.
The one good thing was WAlker was hitting better lately  
adamg : 7/20/2018 6:33 pm : link
So it's not like he's forcing a slumping mediocre guy on us.
RE: The one good thing was WAlker was hitting better lately  
Eman11 : 7/20/2018 6:44 pm : link
In comment 14017182 adamg said:
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So it's not like he's forcing a slumping mediocre guy on us.


No but Wade was hitting pretty well too.

My main thing is Boone said Wade has earned more playing time but as of yet failed to give it to him. I figured for sure tonight vs a righty he'd get the start and tomorrow vs the lefty it would be Walker in there.

I'm just trying to figure out the thought process of who plays and when/why.
I know the Mets havent been very good this season  
BigBlueShock : 7/20/2018 7:03 pm : link
For a variety of reasons, but what a bitch for us to face them with almost a full team and lined up rotation of Noah, Matz and deGrom to open the second half. Thats gonna be a huge challenge.

Meanwhile, with horseshoe still planted firmly up their asses, Boston opens with dreadful Detroit, now minus their best pitcher due to Fulmer being placed on the DL.
I'm out of the loop  
Jints in Carolina : 7/20/2018 7:10 pm : link
But where has Ronald Torreyes been?
RE: I know the Mets havent been very good this season  
Eman11 : 7/20/2018 7:12 pm : link
In comment 14017194 BigBlueShock said:
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For a variety of reasons, but what a bitch for us to face them with almost a full team and lined up rotation of Noah, Matz and deGrom to open the second half. Thats gonna be a huge challenge.

Meanwhile, with horseshoe still planted firmly up their asses, Boston opens with dreadful Detroit, now minus their best pitcher due to Fulmer being placed on the DL.


Well at least they're on the road to start the second half even though it does look like they've got a couple of cupcakes in Detroit and Baltimore.
German walks first batter  
Jints in Carolina : 7/20/2018 7:13 pm : link
Great
RE: I'm out of the loop  
Del Shofner : 7/20/2018 7:14 pm : link
In comment 14017196 Jints in Carolina said:
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But where has Ronald Torreyes been?


Dealing with a family problem involving his wife, in Venezuela I believe. He's been on leave of absence.
RE: I'm out of the loop  
Eman11 : 7/20/2018 7:15 pm : link
In comment 14017196 Jints in Carolina said:
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But where has Ronald Torreyes been?


Before the break he was away from the Scranton team tending to a family matter. The Yanks haven't said anything about what that matter was but only his family is the priority right now.
Thanks guys  
Jints in Carolina : 7/20/2018 7:16 pm : link
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This guy has to get his first inning issues under control  
Jints in Carolina : 7/20/2018 7:18 pm : link
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Glad to see Conforto  
jpkmets : 7/20/2018 7:23 pm : link
with a good AB first thing after the break..

Be nice to see Thor again!
This dude needs to go to AAA  
Jints in Carolina : 7/20/2018 7:23 pm : link
Awful.
How's Cash coming on  
dune69 : 7/20/2018 7:23 pm : link
that pitching?
At least  
JayBinQueens : 7/20/2018 7:24 pm : link
We have something entertaining to watch before the bullpen blows it later
Jeezus  
BigBlueShock : 7/20/2018 7:25 pm : link
Lol
RE: At least  
jpkmets : 7/20/2018 7:25 pm : link
In comment 14017208 JayBinQueens said:
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We have something entertaining to watch before the bullpen blows it later


it's funny cuz it's true.

Laugh to keep from cryin' etc.
Hope Thor can get  
jpkmets : 7/20/2018 7:26 pm : link
some more swings and misses second half.

nice run  
jpkmets : 7/20/2018 7:27 pm : link
on that 2-seamer
Yanks need to work  
Eman11 : 7/20/2018 7:27 pm : link
Syndergaard (sp) get his pitch count up and out of the game. It helps he wants to strike everyone out and will throw a lot of pitches anyway but the sooner we get into the Mets pen, the better.
German seemed like an odd choice to start tonight -  
Del Shofner : 7/20/2018 7:28 pm : link
I'm assuming there were other options given the ASB.
German  
Photoguy : 7/20/2018 7:31 pm : link
isn't cutting it. Unfortunately, we don't have anyone to plug into his spot, so for now we're stuck with him.
RE: German  
RasputinPrime : 7/20/2018 7:33 pm : link
In comment 14017220 Photoguy said:
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isn't cutting it. Unfortunately, we don't have anyone to plug into his spot, so for now we're stuck with him.


Sheffield would be up if CAshman wasn't dangling him in the event he can get a really big fish. He calls him up and he stinks and that card is played.
RE: German seemed like an odd choice to start tonight -  
Eman11 : 7/20/2018 7:36 pm : link
In comment 14017217 Del Shofner said:
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I'm assuming there were other options given the ASB.


Yeah but I heard Boone on with Francessa today and he said they wanted to basically give CC and Sevy what amounts to a skipped start as far as time off, and the other three will have an extra couple of days more than normal rest.

Plus he said looking at the next few weeks, this worked out the best for setting up the rotation. Didn't come right out and say it but it sets up to have Gray miss the Sox, which I think was a big factor.
RE: RE: German  
Photoguy : 7/20/2018 7:37 pm : link
In comment 14017221 RasputinPrime said:
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isn't cutting it. Unfortunately, we don't have anyone to plug into his spot, so for now we're stuck with him.



Sheffield would be up if CAshman wasn't dangling him in the event he can get a really big fish. He calls him up and he stinks and that card is played.



Nah, I don't think he's dangling him. I think he wants to give him a little more time, and maybe plug him into the rotation in Sept, if not sooner. JMHO.
The Mets pen is actually kind of interesting right now  
ZGiants98 : 7/20/2018 7:38 pm : link
Very raw and unproven for sure but Bashlor, Drew Smith, and Rhame can bring gas...and Tim Peterson excelled in the upper minors...to go along with Gsellman and Lugo before Familia.

Its at least worth watching...
Welcome back Gary...  
LarmerTJR : 7/20/2018 7:46 pm : link
Dont hustle or anything like that...
If your groin is 100% you need to hustle a bit more  
Jints in Carolina : 7/20/2018 7:47 pm : link
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Still seems like Syndergaard  
jpkmets : 7/20/2018 7:53 pm : link
is a tick slow this year. Lots of 97-98, very little 99-100.

Fangraphs says 97.9 average 4 seam velo v. 99.6 last year.

I know that's nitpicky, but velocity declines are concerning.
wow  
jpkmets : 7/20/2018 7:54 pm : link
that was a HR?

Thought that was a little fly.

WB Yo!
RE: Still seems like Syndergaard  
BigBlueShock : 7/20/2018 7:56 pm : link
In comment 14017233 jpkmets said:
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is a tick slow this year. Lots of 97-98, very little 99-100.

Fangraphs says 97.9 average 4 seam velo v. 99.6 last year.

I know that's nitpicky, but velocity declines are concerning.

I wouldnt necessarily be worried. Could be hes trying to pitch more and over throw less. Who knows
Do not understand  
Kyle in NY : 7/20/2018 8:04 pm : link
why German is still in the rotation, let alone starting the first game out of the break. 5.73 ERA now, and thats after a scoreless first start. Enough already, we cant give up any more ground and this guy goes out there with no clue where the ball is going.
Well Gary looks the same...  
LarmerTJR : 7/20/2018 8:11 pm : link
Ugh...
RE: RE: Still seems like Syndergaard  
jpkmets : 7/20/2018 8:12 pm : link
In comment 14017236 BigBlueShock said:
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is a tick slow this year. Lots of 97-98, very little 99-100.

Fangraphs says 97.9 average 4 seam velo v. 99.6 last year.

I know that's nitpicky, but velocity declines are concerning.


I wouldnt necessarily be worried. Could be hes trying to pitch more and over throw less. Who knows


Could be -- just the eye test (and sadly, I watch close to 100% of Mets games) is that he's not featuring the elite stuff that we've seen in prior years.

He we go with German again..  
prdave73 : 7/20/2018 8:15 pm : link
Smh. Dude just isn't ready for the Bigs.. Watch Boone leave him in for 8 innings.
RE: Do not understand  
Photoguy : 7/20/2018 8:15 pm : link
In comment 14017241 Kyle in NY said:
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why German is still in the rotation, let alone starting the first game out of the break. 5.73 ERA now, and thats after a scoreless first start. Enough already, we cant give up any more ground and this guy goes out there with no clue where the ball is going.


I stated earlier that I thought it was because there's no one else to turn to, as they seem to be holding off bringing Sheffield up until his walks are down. I really think they plan on having him on the big club, middle of August at the earliest. Not having Montgomery this year isn't helping, either. I just hope Cashman isn't forced into a trade for a starting pitcher that is no better than what we have out there already. If that's the case, I'd rather they just keep running German out there and getting him some more experience.
RE: RE: Do not understand  
Kyle in NY : 7/20/2018 8:19 pm : link
In comment 14017247 Photoguy said:
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why German is still in the rotation, let alone starting the first game out of the break. 5.73 ERA now, and thats after a scoreless first start. Enough already, we cant give up any more ground and this guy goes out there with no clue where the ball is going.



I stated earlier that I thought it was because there's no one else to turn to, as they seem to be holding off bringing Sheffield up until his walks are down. I really think they plan on having him on the big club, middle of August at the earliest. Not having Montgomery this year isn't helping, either. I just hope Cashman isn't forced into a trade for a starting pitcher that is no better than what we have out there already. If that's the case, I'd rather they just keep running German out there and getting him some more experience.


This is not the time to be getting guys experience.
Cant get through four innings again  
Kyle in NY : 7/20/2018 8:21 pm : link
Just cant keep doing this
RE: RE: RE: Do not understand  
Photoguy : 7/20/2018 8:23 pm : link
In comment 14017248 Kyle in NY said:
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why German is still in the rotation, let alone starting the first game out of the break. 5.73 ERA now, and thats after a scoreless first start. Enough already, we cant give up any more ground and this guy goes out there with no clue where the ball is going.



I stated earlier that I thought it was because there's no one else to turn to, as they seem to be holding off bringing Sheffield up until his walks are down. I really think they plan on having him on the big club, middle of August at the earliest. Not having Montgomery this year isn't helping, either. I just hope Cashman isn't forced into a trade for a starting pitcher that is no better than what we have out there already. If that's the case, I'd rather they just keep running German out there and getting him some more experience.



This is not the time to be getting guys experience.


Agreed, but like I said, I'd rather that than pick up someone who wouldn't be an improvement. All things considered, I'd like to see what Sheffield can do, and so would everyone else. However, that ain't what management is inclined to do right now. But yeah.....I do not disagree with you.
Then again.....  
Photoguy : 7/20/2018 8:24 pm : link
we need someone who'll get past the 5th-6th innings. German hasn't been that guy.
RE: Still seems like Syndergaard  
ZGiants98 : 7/20/2018 8:25 pm : link
In comment 14017233 jpkmets said:
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is a tick slow this year. Lots of 97-98, very little 99-100.

Fangraphs says 97.9 average 4 seam velo v. 99.6 last year.

I know that's nitpicky, but velocity declines are concerning.


Three seasons. 1.) He's throwing almost exclusively 2 seamers to get more movement on his pitches. 2.) He flat out said he was going to try not throw 100/101 on every pitch... because it's stupid. 3.) SP velocity gradually inclines by a tick or two on a bell curve peaking in July/August and with so much missed time again he hasnt had enough time to see the natural rise most pitchers do.
Sloppy infield defense  
ZGiants98 : 7/20/2018 8:31 pm : link
killing Thor in this game.
Wow....  
ZGiants98 : 7/20/2018 8:32 pm : link
Flores looked off the bag there. Weird.
neat  
ZGiants98 : 7/20/2018 8:42 pm : link
Noah Syndergaard becomes the fastest pitcher - by innings - to reach 500 strikeouts in Mets franchise history.

He did so in 436.1 innings beating the previous mark of 445.1 innings by Doc Gooden.
good sign from Conforto  
jpkmets : 7/20/2018 8:46 pm : link
going the other way.
losing to this team  
RasputinPrime : 7/20/2018 8:47 pm : link
doesn't do a body good.
RE: neat  
pjcas18 : 7/20/2018 8:48 pm : link
In comment 14017264 ZGiants98 said:
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Noah Syndergaard becomes the fastest pitcher - by innings - to reach 500 strikeouts in Mets franchise history.

He did so in 436.1 innings beating the previous mark of 445.1 innings by Doc Gooden.


good stat in a vaccum any time you get mentioned in the same breath as Gooden, except Gooden was 20 years old when he reached 500k's and did it in less than 2 seasons. Syndergaard is almost 26 and it's his 4th season.

Thor needs to stay healthy.

RE: losing to this team  
Photoguy : 7/20/2018 8:49 pm : link
In comment 14017267 RasputinPrime said:
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doesn't do a body good.


Yeah, but it's only one loss. Losing four would be abysmal.
Yeah... dont think he should be penalized due to injuries or age  
ZGiants98 : 7/20/2018 8:50 pm : link
It's impressive either way. Something tells me Thor has the better career as well. ;)
....  
BleedBlue : 7/20/2018 8:54 pm : link
Yankee pitching is yikes. Could really use a starter or two
RE: Yeah... dont think he should be penalized due to injuries or age  
jpkmets : 7/20/2018 8:55 pm : link
In comment 14017271 ZGiants98 said:
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It's impressive either way. Something tells me Thor has the better career as well. ;)


Doubt it.

Gooden was 82 games over .500 for his career and won 194 games.

2300 Ks, 3,51 career ERA.

Don't think Syndegaard is nearly a lock to have as long and successful a career,

Dwight's career was, rightly so, viewed as something of a disappointment -- but I
oops, cut my reply off  
jpkmets : 7/20/2018 8:56 pm : link
I think people underestimate that Gooden, for all his mess-ups, had a really, really nice set of career numbers.

He also had a high point 84-85 that Syndergaard won't ever touch.
RE: Yeah... dont think he should be penalized due to injuries or age  
pjcas18 : 7/20/2018 8:59 pm : link
In comment 14017271 ZGiants98 said:
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It's impressive either way. Something tells me Thor has the better career as well. ;)


Not penalizing Thor, it's props for Gooden.

Other than Pedro and maybe even with Pedro, Young Dwight Gooden is the best pitcher I've ever seen. Pedro later became the best pitcher I've seen for a longer time and maybe had the most dominant season, but no one had the repertoire of a young Dwight Gooden - the heat and hook - a lot like Syndergaard but a better pitcher.

As for better career, we'll see. By 26 Gooden's career was pretty much over, just a couple legit years left before injuries and drugs took over.

but by that time he already had a WS ring, a CY Young award, a ROY award, and 4 top 5 Cy Young appearances. And really could have been the 1985 MVP if voters weren't so close minded.

I know you like advanced stats, ZGiants  
jpkmets : 7/20/2018 9:02 pm : link
so, Thor has had two seasons of 2+ WAR (2015, 2.4; 2016 5.0) and will likely have one this year (1.7 ATM).

Gooden had eleven 2+ WAR seasons

Those included 7 3+ seasons and, of course, a ridiculous 12.2 WAR in 1985.

RE: RE: Yeah... dont think he should be penalized due to injuries or age  
ZGiants98 : 7/20/2018 9:07 pm : link
In comment 14017283 pjcas18 said:
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It's impressive either way. Something tells me Thor has the better career as well. ;)



Not penalizing Thor, it's props for Gooden.

Other than Pedro and maybe even with Pedro, Young Dwight Gooden is the best pitcher I've ever seen. Pedro later became the best pitcher I've seen for a longer time and maybe had the most dominant season, but no one had the repertoire of a young Dwight Gooden - the heat and hook - a lot like Syndergaard but a better pitcher.

As for better career, we'll see. By 26 Gooden's career was pretty much over, just a couple legit years left before injuries and drugs took over.

but by that time he already had a WS ring, a CY Young award, a ROY award, and 4 top 5 Cy Young appearances. And really could have been the 1985 MVP if voters weren't so close minded.


I guess that's my point. Everybody remembers Doc as being SO dominant when he burst on the scene. His first couple of seasons were easily his best years. The fact that Thor has K'd even more in fewer atbats is very impressive IMO.
RE: RE: Yeah... dont think he should be penalized due to injuries or age  
jpkmets : 7/20/2018 9:08 pm : link
In comment 14017283 pjcas18 said:
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It's impressive either way. Something tells me Thor has the better career as well. ;)



Not penalizing Thor, it's props for Gooden.

Other than Pedro and maybe even with Pedro, Young Dwight Gooden is the best pitcher I've ever seen. Pedro later became the best pitcher I've seen for a longer time and maybe had the most dominant season, but no one had the repertoire of a young Dwight Gooden - the heat and hook - a lot like Syndergaard but a better pitcher.

As for better career, we'll see. By 26 Gooden's career was pretty much over, just a couple legit years left before injuries and drugs took over.

but by that time he already had a WS ring, a CY Young award, a ROY award, and 4 top 5 Cy Young appearances. And really could have been the 1985 MVP if voters weren't so close minded.


Yup, his 1984-1985 was equal to anything I've ever seen -- Pedro, Unit included.

Did it with two pitches as well. He was something else.

Really amazing that he was that good and a "what could have been story"

58-19 first three years; 109 wins through his age 25 season. By all accounts he got into drugs the winter between 85-86.

But he still had a hell of a run for those first six years.
Watching Gooden pitch  
steve in ky : 7/20/2018 9:10 pm : link
was really fun. Definitely some of the high points of mine as a fan. I was fortunate to see him a Shea a number of times but his one hitter against the Cubs in 84 was unreal. Ray Knight cost him what should have been a no hitter.
RE: RE: RE: Yeah... dont think he should be penalized due to injuries or age  
jpkmets : 7/20/2018 9:10 pm : link
In comment 14017291 ZGiants98 said:
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In comment 14017271 ZGiants98 said:


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It's impressive either way. Something tells me Thor has the better career as well. ;)



Not penalizing Thor, it's props for Gooden.

Other than Pedro and maybe even with Pedro, Young Dwight Gooden is the best pitcher I've ever seen. Pedro later became the best pitcher I've seen for a longer time and maybe had the most dominant season, but no one had the repertoire of a young Dwight Gooden - the heat and hook - a lot like Syndergaard but a better pitcher.

As for better career, we'll see. By 26 Gooden's career was pretty much over, just a couple legit years left before injuries and drugs took over.

but by that time he already had a WS ring, a CY Young award, a ROY award, and 4 top 5 Cy Young appearances. And really could have been the 1985 MVP if voters weren't so close minded.




I guess that's my point. Everybody remembers Doc as being SO dominant when he burst on the scene. His first couple of seasons were easily his best years. The fact that Thor has K'd even more in fewer atbats is very impressive IMO.


Absolutely, Thor is super impressive. I just think that Gooden's failures are so sad and such a "waste" that he had a shockingly good career set of numbers.

Really hope Thor sniffs 200 wins. It would mean he'd be healthy for the next 6-8 years as a Met.

He was awesome in 2015. I just don't know how he lasts. I hope he can pitch a few years w/o injury so we can see!
RE: I know you like advanced stats, ZGiants  
ZGiants98 : 7/20/2018 9:10 pm : link
In comment 14017288 jpkmets said:
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so, Thor has had two seasons of 2+ WAR (2015, 2.4; 2016 5.0) and will likely have one this year (1.7 ATM).

Gooden had eleven 2+ WAR seasons

Those included 7 3+ seasons and, of course, a ridiculous 12.2 WAR in 1985.


Yeah. I prefer fWAR but either way he was truly ridiculous his first two seasons. Still a healthy Thor year likely puts him in the 6-7 win range. Doc finished his career at 56 fWAR which is impressive. I think if Thor stays relatively healthy in his career he'll surpass that... accolades and rings or not.
8 singles  
Photoguy : 7/20/2018 9:11 pm : link
wow.
I agre PJ  
ZGiants98 : 7/20/2018 9:11 pm : link
.
RE: Watching Gooden pitch  
jpkmets : 7/20/2018 9:13 pm : link
In comment 14017294 steve in ky said:
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was really fun. Definitely some of the high points of mine as a fan. I was fortunate to see him a Shea a number of times but his one hitter against the Cubs in 84 was unreal. Ray Knight cost him what should have been a no hitter.


Yep. Was fortunate to see a bunch of home starts 84-85. The buzz was unreal.

RE: RE: I know you like advanced stats, ZGiants  
jpkmets : 7/20/2018 9:15 pm : link
In comment 14017296 ZGiants98 said:
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In comment 14017288 jpkmets said:


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so, Thor has had two seasons of 2+ WAR (2015, 2.4; 2016 5.0) and will likely have one this year (1.7 ATM).

Gooden had eleven 2+ WAR seasons

Those included 7 3+ seasons and, of course, a ridiculous 12.2 WAR in 1985.




Yeah. I prefer fWAR but either way he was truly ridiculous his first two seasons. Still a healthy Thor year likely puts him in the 6-7 win range. Doc finished his career at 56 fWAR which is impressive. I think if Thor stays relatively healthy in his career he'll surpass that... accolades and rings or not.


Man, I hope so. I haven't seen the "A" game from Thor much at all this year. Been a bit concerned over him coming off the lat issue.

Hoping we see him shine down the stretch.
mets twitter  
CMicks3110 : 7/20/2018 9:16 pm : link
expressing concern over thor's velocity drop. Topped out at 94.
I thought Thor had a pretty dominant stretch  
ZGiants98 : 7/20/2018 9:17 pm : link
right before the finger issue. He was going deeper into games and looking like the 2015 version. Of course we cant ever have anything ever go right for long without a million injuries derailing us. lol.
RE: mets twitter  
ZGiants98 : 7/20/2018 9:18 pm : link
In comment 14017304 CMicks3110 said:
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expressing concern over thor's velocity drop. Topped out at 94.


Huh? Thor hit 99 mph tonight. lol. Multiple times.
Thor didn't look  
pjcas18 : 7/20/2018 9:19 pm : link
good the last inning, I think there's something wrong.

Hope not. A lot of breaking balls, even besides Judge and seemed like his fast ball velocity was down.
RE: 8 singles  
BigBlueShock : 7/20/2018 9:21 pm : link
In comment 14017297 Photoguy said:
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wow.

Come on man. All we ever see on Yankees threads from the mouth breathers is that the Yankees hit too many HRs and they wish theyd hit more singles. Theyre getting what they wanted! Whats the problem?
Thor was likely capped at 80 pitches tonight either way  
ZGiants98 : 7/20/2018 9:21 pm : link
It's only his second game back.
RE: I thought Thor had a pretty dominant stretch  
jpkmets : 7/20/2018 9:22 pm : link
In comment 14017305 ZGiants98 said:
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right before the finger issue. He was going deeper into games and looking like the 2015 version. Of course we cant ever have anything ever go right for long without a million injuries derailing us. lol.


Didn't feel like he was that dominant during that time.

5 starts before injury:

30 innings (6, 6, 5, 7, 6); 33 hits; 8 BB; 30 K;

Just haven't seen "vintage" Thor this year, imo.

I meant that inning  
CMicks3110 : 7/20/2018 9:22 pm : link
i remember a few years ago against the nationals he started out guns blazing and then in his final inning he was throwing 91-92. It was weird. hopefully this is similar.
RE: Thor didn't look  
jpkmets : 7/20/2018 9:23 pm : link
In comment 14017307 pjcas18 said:
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good the last inning, I think there's something wrong.

Hope not. A lot of breaking balls, even besides Judge and seemed like his fast ball velocity was down.


yep. Definite decline as the game wore on.

Hopefully just gettin his legs under him after the DL stint.
12 outs from this BP oy  
jpkmets : 7/20/2018 9:24 pm : link
Wonder what odds I could get on the Yanks at the moment.
RE: RE: 8 singles  
Photoguy : 7/20/2018 9:24 pm : link
In comment 14017308 BigBlueShock said:
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wow.


Come on man. All we ever see on Yankees threads from the mouth breathers is that the Yankees hit too many HRs and they wish theyd hit more singles. Theyre getting what they wanted! Whats the problem?


LOL.....I read those comments too. 8 singles is ok, as long as a few home runs are generously sprinkled among them.
lol  
jpkmets : 7/20/2018 9:25 pm : link
jesus.

What in the world is going on on that play.

::cues the clown music:::::
We're still  
Photoguy : 7/20/2018 9:25 pm : link
just a couple of well placed dingers away.
And now would be a  
Photoguy : 7/20/2018 9:26 pm : link
good time for one.
RE: Thor was likely capped at 80 pitches tonight either way  
pjcas18 : 7/20/2018 9:28 pm : link
In comment 14017310 ZGiants98 said:
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It's only his second game back.

Callaway said 100
There y'go.  
Photoguy : 7/20/2018 9:32 pm : link
An extra base hit in a spot where it paid off. Unlimber the cannons, please.
RE: There y'go.  
Eman11 : 7/20/2018 9:35 pm : link
In comment 14017322 Photoguy said:
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An extra base hit in a spot where it paid off. Unlimber the cannons, please.


Yup. Nice piece of hitting there by Walker inches us closer.
11 hits, no homers and only 3 runs  
RasputinPrime : 7/20/2018 9:52 pm : link
Lol  
BleedBlue : 7/20/2018 10:05 pm : link
Sanchez isn't batting his weight.

Gonna leave two on here...sucks
great take by Bird  
RasputinPrime : 7/20/2018 10:07 pm : link
Andujar needs to go deepo
Ugh  
BleedBlue : 7/20/2018 10:09 pm : link
Not good
Boy oh boy,  
Photoguy : 7/20/2018 10:09 pm : link
that's frustrating.
Whew  
Ira : 7/20/2018 10:10 pm : link
!!!
Boy  
bluesince56 : 7/20/2018 10:10 pm : link
They leave a ton of guys on base.
11 men  
Photoguy : 7/20/2018 10:10 pm : link
left on. Thru 7.

Oy!
Is it hard to even ask for a good at bat from Sanchez???  
LarmerTJR : 7/20/2018 10:11 pm : link
Jesus.
RE: 11 men  
bluesince56 : 7/20/2018 10:13 pm : link
In comment 14017338 Photoguy said:
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left on. Thru 7.

Oy!


Its home run or nothing with these guys. This wont cut it in the playoffs.
RE: Is it hard to even ask for a good at bat from Sanchez???  
Photoguy : 7/20/2018 10:14 pm : link
In comment 14017339 LarmerTJR said:
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Jesus.




This year, yes. It's baffling.
Been waiting  
Photoguy : 7/20/2018 10:27 pm : link
all year for Sanchez to go on a tear, but outside of a couple 3 hit games, he hasn't really busted loose. It's going to be a lost year for him, and I'm sure 2019's going to be a good one. It sure would help if he has a big 2nd half, though. I'm not giving up on him.
Ok, they  
Photoguy : 7/20/2018 10:29 pm : link
just IBB'd Hicks. Here's a chance for Gary to make them pay.
Jesus Gary...  
LarmerTJR : 7/20/2018 10:33 pm : link
Ugh...
What a shock.  
Mr. Bungle : 7/20/2018 10:33 pm : link
Sanchez comes up small.
I'm growing  
BleedBlue : 7/20/2018 10:34 pm : link
So fucking tired of Sanchez. He doesn't even have good ABs. Looks at a strike right down the middle then swings at trash...
So tired of him seriously wish we could trade him as the main piece for a SP.
We have enough HR or K guys
....  
BleedBlue : 7/20/2018 10:37 pm : link
He blows defensively too
RE: I'm growing  
bluesince56 : 7/20/2018 10:38 pm : link
In comment 14017355 BleedBlue said:
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So fucking tired of Sanchez. He doesn't even have good ABs. Looks at a strike right down the middle then swings at trash...
So tired of him seriously wish we could trade him as the main piece for a SP.
We have enough HR or K guys
.

Sanchez couldnt block that either?
RE: RE: I'm growing  
BleedBlue : 7/20/2018 10:39 pm : link
In comment 14017359 bluesince56 said:
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In comment 14017355 BleedBlue said:


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So fucking tired of Sanchez. He doesn't even have good ABs. Looks at a strike right down the middle then swings at trash...
So tired of him seriously wish we could trade him as the main piece for a SP.
We have enough HR or K guys

.

Sanchez couldnt block that either?


It's ridiculous...
He sucks defensively and this year offensively he is bad
Chapman should be pitching here  
Kyle in NY : 7/20/2018 10:40 pm : link
A one run dececit is absolutely a high leverage situation
Weird to me that  
bigbluehoya : 7/20/2018 10:41 pm : link
They crawl back into this game and then forego using Betances/DRob in favor of AJ Cole. With everyone on full test coming out of the ASB
Soooooo let me get this straight...  
Stu11 : 7/20/2018 10:41 pm : link
A few weeks ago you bring Betances and Chappy into a game we're winning by 10 because they haven't pitched all week...but you don't bring Betances into a one run game tonight? Alrighty then...
nice insurance run  
steve in ky : 7/20/2018 10:42 pm : link
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RE: RE: 11 men  
BigBlueShock : 7/20/2018 10:42 pm : link
In comment 14017341 bluesince56 said:
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In comment 14017338 Photoguy said:


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left on. Thru 7.

Oy!



Its home run or nothing with these guys. This wont cut it in the playoffs.

You fucking idiot! Youre seeing first hand what happens when they dont hit HRs! Theyve had a billion singles, so what the hell are you talking about? This is the exact game all you ass clowns have been crying for.

So if I have this right, even when they have a billion hits in a game that doesnt include a HR, its HR or nothing? Thats the fucking problem with your asinine complaints. How many hits does it take to score runs?

Amazing. Even when the clowns see evidence that their HR or nothing complaints are laughable, they STILL bring it up in real time. Clueless.
Yep Betances would have worked too  
Kyle in NY : 7/20/2018 10:42 pm : link
Boone has not exactly impressed during this recent stretch
Familia  
pjcas18 : 7/20/2018 10:43 pm : link
not warming? Maybe being held out for trade negotiations.

good for the Yankees IMO.
Yeah they have to be in the 11th hour  
ZGiants98 : 7/20/2018 10:44 pm : link
on Familia negotiations for him not to be coming in.
A's and Cubs showing the most interest  
ZGiants98 : 7/20/2018 10:46 pm : link
Twitter says up to 5 teams are after him. We better get a decent prospect back. Britten and Familia are basically the best relievers available.
I have this sick feeling  
Knineteen : 7/20/2018 10:46 pm : link
the Mets aren't pitching Familia because they don't want his stock to go down when he blows the save.

Why else could they not be pitching him?!
really hope Familia goes somewhere he's unlikely to resign like Oak  
Eric on Li : 7/20/2018 10:46 pm : link
then resign him in the offseason.
RE: A's and Cubs showing the most interest  
Mike in NY : 7/20/2018 10:47 pm : link
In comment 14017371 ZGiants98 said:
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Twitter says up to 5 teams are after him. We better get a decent prospect back. Britten and Familia are basically the best relievers available.


That is what a normal team will do, but this is the Mets who value close to major league relievers, utility IF, and 5th OF
Olney says trade close  
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Mets are working to finish a trade of closer Jeurys Familia. Oakland among the team with interest; Cubs not involved.
RE: I have this sick feeling  
Mike in NY : 7/20/2018 10:47 pm : link
In comment 14017372 Knineteen said:
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the Mets aren't pitching Familia because they don't want his stock to go down when he blows the save.

Why else could they not be pitching him?!


Dont want to risk a strained oblique
Makes absolutely no sense NOT to pitch him  
Knineteen : 7/20/2018 10:48 pm : link
unless a deal has already been made or will be made in the next hour.

I don't understand any of this. He's the closer! Make him close!
I know this is the "game thread"  
Eric on Li : 7/20/2018 10:49 pm : link
but really hope they get 1 of those starters out of Oakland.
RE: RE: RE: 11 men  
bluesince56 : 7/20/2018 10:49 pm : link
In comment 14017366 BigBlueShock said:
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In comment 14017341 bluesince56 said:


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In comment 14017338 Photoguy said:


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left on. Thru 7.

Oy!



Its home run or nothing with these guys. This wont cut it in the playoffs.


You fucking idiot! Youre seeing first hand what happens when they dont hit HRs! Theyve had a billion singles, so what the hell are you talking about? This is the exact game all you ass clowns have been crying for.

So if I have this right, even when they have a billion hits in a game that doesnt include a HR, its HR or nothing? Thats the fucking problem with your asinine complaints. How many hits does it take to score runs?

Amazing. Even when the clowns see evidence that their HR or nothing complaints are laughable, they STILL bring it up in real time. Clueless.


So let me get this straight. I offer a point of view that you dont agree with and Im and idiot. OK, I get it . Lets just accept your point of view on everything and all will be right in the world. Right before the All Star break they showed a stat that since June and half of July the Yanks are 22th in the league with men in scoring position.
RE: Yep Betances would have worked too  
Eman11 : 7/20/2018 10:49 pm : link
In comment 14017367 Kyle in NY said:
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Boone has not exactly impressed during this recent stretch


Cole's been good so far this year and has to do better there but no question, Boone has some head scratchers recently.

The only thing I can think of is he has an eye on tomorrow with Gray pitching. I hate that thinking as I say go for the game you're playing but I'm betting it's because of Gray.
This really  
pjcas18 : 7/20/2018 10:49 pm : link
has to piss off the Red Sox or other teams the Yankees are battling with.

not that Familia is a sure thing, but better than a 2nd inning from Gsellman
RE: Makes absolutely no sense NOT to pitch him  
ZGiants98 : 7/20/2018 10:50 pm : link
In comment 14017377 Knineteen said:
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unless a deal has already been made or will be made in the next hour.

I don't understand any of this. He's the closer! Make him close!


They are likely very close to agreeing to a deal in which case there is no way they risk injuring him.
RE: Makes absolutely no sense NOT to pitch him  
Eric on Li : 7/20/2018 10:50 pm : link
In comment 14017377 Knineteen said:
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unless a deal has already been made or will be made in the next hour.

I don't understand any of this. He's the closer! Make him close!


True, if they win tonight they can stay within 14 games of the division.
RE: Makes absolutely no sense NOT to pitch him  
pjcas18 : 7/20/2018 10:51 pm : link
In comment 14017377 Knineteen said:
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unless a deal has already been made or will be made in the next hour.

I don't understand any of this. He's the closer! Make him close!


Players get pulled from games all the time when their teams are in final trade negotiations. Why does this surprise you? It's pretty common.
and now Rosenthal  
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Source confirms: Familia on verge of getting traded to unknown team, as @Buster_ESPN said.
RE: RE: Makes absolutely no sense NOT to pitch him  
steve in ky : 7/20/2018 10:52 pm : link
In comment 14017384 pjcas18 said:
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In comment 14017377 Knineteen said:


Quote:


unless a deal has already been made or will be made in the next hour.

I don't understand any of this. He's the closer! Make him close!



Players get pulled from games all the time when their teams are in final trade negotiations. Why does this surprise you? It's pretty common.


Yeah this is a pretty common practice
RE: RE: Makes absolutely no sense NOT to pitch him  
Knineteen : 7/20/2018 10:52 pm : link
In comment 14017382 ZGiants98 said:
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They are likely very close to agreeing to a deal in which case there is no way they risk injuring him.

And if the deal falls through?

If the deal is done or if they have a deal in principle, fine.
But any other scenario makes no sense to hold him out here.

He's on the roster until such time that he is traded. Until such time, make him play.
RE: and now Rosenthal  
Mike in NY : 7/20/2018 10:52 pm : link
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Source confirms: Familia on verge of getting traded to unknown team, as @Buster_ESPN said.


If it is Oakland I hope Luzardo is included
RE: RE: and now Rosenthal  
Eric on Li : 7/20/2018 10:53 pm : link
In comment 14017388 Mike in NY said:
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In comment 14017385 Eric on Li said:


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Source confirms: Familia on verge of getting traded to unknown team, as @Buster_ESPN said.



If it is Oakland I hope Luzardo is included


That would be an awesome get. I'd also take the starter the Yankees sent them just about to come back from TJS.
RE: RE: RE: RE: 11 men  
BleedBlue : 7/20/2018 10:53 pm : link
In comment 14017379 bluesince56 said:
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In comment 14017341 bluesince56 said:


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left on. Thru 7.

Oy!



Its home run or nothing with these guys. This wont cut it in the playoffs.


You fucking idiot! Youre seeing first hand what happens when they dont hit HRs! Theyve had a billion singles, so what the hell are you talking about? This is the exact game all you ass clowns have been crying for.

So if I have this right, even when they have a billion hits in a game that doesnt include a HR, its HR or nothing? Thats the fucking problem with your asinine complaints. How many hits does it take to score runs?

Amazing. Even when the clowns see evidence that their HR or nothing complaints are laughable, they STILL bring it up in real time. Clueless.



So let me get this straight. I offer a point of view that you dont agree with and Im and idiot. OK, I get it . Lets just accept your point of view on everything and all will be right in the world. Right before the All Star break they showed a stat that since June and half of July the Yanks are 22th in the league with men in scoring position.


Exactly....they are bad with RISP.

RE: RE: RE: Makes absolutely no sense NOT to pitch him  
ZGiants98 : 7/20/2018 10:54 pm : link
In comment 14017387 Knineteen said:
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In comment 14017382 ZGiants98 said:


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They are likely very close to agreeing to a deal in which case there is no way they risk injuring him.


And if the deal falls through?

If the deal is done or if they have a deal in principle, fine.
But any other scenario makes no sense to hold him out here.

He's on the roster until such time that he is traded. Until such time, make him play.


Weird logic. Teams hold out players on the verge of being traded all the time. What benefit is to the Mets to play him? We are about to go into a firesale. Do you think wins matter anymore?
Wonder if they just held the announcement until after the game  
Eric on Li : 7/20/2018 10:56 pm : link
guess we'll see. Nice job by the g-unit to close it out.
Cole has been good  
Stu11 : 7/20/2018 10:56 pm : link
But you go to him in a spot in the middle innings to keep you in the game, not the 9th inning of a 1 run game. Meh they went down meekly in the 9th any way. Tough loss. A ton of baserunners and we couldn't deliver the key hit to tie it or go ahead.
RE: RE: RE: RE: Makes absolutely no sense NOT to pitch him  
Knineteen : 7/20/2018 10:56 pm : link
In comment 14017392 ZGiants98 said:
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Weird logic. Teams hold out players on the verge of being traded all the time. What benefit is to the Mets to play him? We are about to go into a firesale. Do you think wins matter anymore?

Yes, the players and manager are trying to win. The Red Sox probably want the Mets to put their best foot forward.

He also hasn't pitched in six days. We're not talking about a tired pitcher here.
.....  
BleedBlue : 7/20/2018 10:57 pm : link
Lose to the Mets lmao....

6 pitchers used yikes.
14 LOB.  
Photoguy : 7/20/2018 10:57 pm : link
Holy crap.
Lots of infuriating losses lately  
Kyle in NY : 7/20/2018 10:57 pm : link
.
I wonder which of the 3 gms is on the phone right now  
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The Giants have also been among the teams which have expressed interest in Familia; Braves not involved.
5.5 games out.  
bceagle05 : 7/20/2018 10:58 pm : link
All these German, Cessa, Loaisiga and - sadly - Sonny Gray starts are catching up to us in the division race.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Makes absolutely no sense NOT to pitch him  
ZGiants98 : 7/20/2018 10:58 pm : link
In comment 14017395 Knineteen said:
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In comment 14017392 ZGiants98 said:


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Weird logic. Teams hold out players on the verge of being traded all the time. What benefit is to the Mets to play him? We are about to go into a firesale. Do you think wins matter anymore?


Yes, the players and manager are trying to win. The Red Sox probably want the Mets to put their best foot forward.

He also hasn't pitched in six days. We're not talking about a tired pitcher here.


We should do it for the Red Sox? Ok. You dont get it. Have a good one man.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Makes absolutely no sense NOT to pitch him  
steve in ky : 7/20/2018 10:58 pm : link
In comment 14017395 Knineteen said:
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In comment 14017392 ZGiants98 said:


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Weird logic. Teams hold out players on the verge of being traded all the time. What benefit is to the Mets to play him? We are about to go into a firesale. Do you think wins matter anymore?


Yes, the players and manager are trying to win. The Red Sox probably want the Mets to put their best foot forward.

He also hasn't pitched in six days. We're not talking about a tired pitcher here.


But it had nothing to do with his needing rest. If he is about to be traded it is about avoiding injury.
Famillia  
pjcas18 : 7/20/2018 10:59 pm : link
seen hugging teammates.

I wonder if Flores is going to cry.
*  
pjcas18 : 7/20/2018 10:59 pm : link
Familia*
RE: Cole has been good  
Eman11 : 7/20/2018 11:01 pm : link
In comment 14017394 Stu11 said:
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But you go to him in a spot in the middle innings to keep you in the game, not the 9th inning of a 1 run game. Meh they went down meekly in the 9th any way. Tough loss. A ton of baserunners and we couldn't deliver the key hit to tie it or go ahead.


I agree Stu. I was just offering up a guess as to why Boone went to him and not Robby or Betances. Boone's managed games with on an eye on the next one before and I wouldn't be surprised if he was doing it again tonight.

They went meekly in the 9th but no doubt that 7th run there took some momentum away from them.
RE: RE: RE: RE: 11 men  
BigBlueShock : 7/20/2018 11:01 pm : link
In comment 14017379 bluesince56 said:
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In comment 14017341 bluesince56 said:


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left on. Thru 7.

Oy!



Its home run or nothing with these guys. This wont cut it in the playoffs.


You fucking idiot! Youre seeing first hand what happens when they dont hit HRs! Theyve had a billion singles, so what the hell are you talking about? This is the exact game all you ass clowns have been crying for.

So if I have this right, even when they have a billion hits in a game that doesnt include a HR, its HR or nothing? Thats the fucking problem with your asinine complaints. How many hits does it take to score runs?

Amazing. Even when the clowns see evidence that their HR or nothing complaints are laughable, they STILL bring it up in real time. Clueless.



So let me get this straight. I offer a point of view that you dont agree with and Im and idiot. OK, I get it . Lets just accept your point of view on everything and all will be right in the world. Right before the All Star break they showed a stat that since June and half of July the Yanks are 22th in the league with men in scoring position.

So what does hitting HRs have to do with hitting with RISP? You honestly think these guys are up there trying to hit HRs? They have 14 hits tonight but suddenly want to hit HRs when runners are in scoring position?

Im gonna clue you in. Its hard to string together enough hits to score runs in todays game. And I can also guarantee you that guys arent up there trying to hit HRs. You seen first hand tonight what hitting singles can do, yet its still HR or nothing, lol. Maybe, just maybe HRs have a tendency to score more runs than stringing together singles? Or do HRs only suck when they dont get a hit with RISP? Then its all the HRs fault, right?
And  
Vanzetti : 7/20/2018 11:03 pm : link
so it begins
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Makes absolutely no sense NOT to pitch him  
Knineteen : 7/20/2018 11:05 pm : link
In comment 14017401 ZGiants98 said:
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We should do it for the Red Sox? Ok. You dont get it. Have a good one man.

Yeah, I get it...still no trade. Game is over.

Where's the trade, boss?
German to AAA  
bigbluehoya : 7/20/2018 11:21 pm : link
Cessa into the rotation.

Gross. Send help.
astros or A's  
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Mets have done extensive scouting of the Houston Astros farm system, so perhaps Familia is a fit for the Astros. Back end of the Houston bullpen an obvious area of concern.

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Sources: Mets have an agreement on structure of a Familia trade, but not finalized.
RE: German to AAA  
Kyle in NY : 7/20/2018 11:29 pm : link
In comment 14017428 bigbluehoya said:
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Cessa into the rotation.

Gross. Send help.


Threw well tonight and in his last MLB start. Just about anything is better than German right now. Im not quite sure why theyre waiting with Justus. I dont buy that they dont want to expose him before a potential trade. One or two starts isnt going to affect his value much.
RE: RE: German to AAA  
BigBlueShock : 7/20/2018 11:31 pm : link
In comment 14017436 Kyle in NY said:
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In comment 14017428 bigbluehoya said:


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Cessa into the rotation.

Gross. Send help.



Threw well tonight and in his last MLB start. Just about anything is better than German right now. Im not quite sure why theyre waiting with Justus. I dont buy that they dont want to expose him before a potential trade. One or two starts isnt going to affect his value much.

Its all about innings limits. They want him available deep into October. Its that simple
Familia traded to Oakland pending  
ZGiants98 : 7/20/2018 11:43 pm : link
medicals.
Not sure about that  
Kyle in NY : 7/20/2018 11:45 pm : link
Its not like hes being held out in AAA, hes regularly throwing 90-100 pitches each start. Hes building up his innings anyway. Might as well do it with the big club
RE: Not sure about that  
rich in DC : 7/21/2018 1:32 am : link
In comment 14017450 Kyle in NY said:
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Its not like hes being held out in AAA, hes regularly throwing 90-100 pitches each start. Hes building up his innings anyway. Might as well do it with the big club


Actually, Sheffield has not made a start since July 8. The International League had a 3 day All Star break at that time, before resuming on the 12th.

SWB went through their rotation once after that- skipping Sheffield. Then, they ran through their rotation again- and this time, will start Sheffield on Saturday, July 21.

It will have been 13 days between starts for Sheffield.

Assuming that Sheffield goes 6 innings in that start, and makes one more start before the end of July- and makes 6 innings in that one, he will be up to around 97-100 IP for the season.

Keep in mind that Sheffield's prior career high in IP is 128. Generally, the Yanks only add on about 30-40 IP to a pitcher's prior career high- so his cap would be somewhere around 160-165 IP.

Assuming he gets to about 100 at the end of July, if the Yanks called him up and put him in the rotation, he would make about 6 starts a month. Let's assume he goes 6 in each- that would be about 36 IP a month, or a total around 72 by the end of September.

Therefore, he is probably running around 10-20 IP ahead of where they want him to be. That means they need to skip at least one start and probably limit him to around 5 IP in several more.

In that case, in order to handle him with care, the Yanks might not be able to call him up until somewhere in mid-late August.

Sheffield is going to be a big part of their rotation plans going forward, so it does not do the Yanks any good to just throw him out there, throw too many innings and get hurt just because they aren't getting good starts from their 5th SP.

My guess- he gets limited in the Saturday outing and then they give him 6-7 days between starts for another 2-3 starts. That's mid August if they do that for 3 starts after Saturday. That might get him on the right pace
Lotta games still to go...  
M.S. : 7/21/2018 4:12 am : link

...but the Yankees starting rotation is making this team look more and more like a Wild Card playoff team as we enter the dog days of summer.

Lotta games still to go...  
M.S. : 7/21/2018 4:12 am : link

...but the Yankees starting rotation is making this team look more and more like a Wild Card playoff team as we enter the dog days of summer.

Boone  
Mike Graves : 7/21/2018 4:31 am : link
Has done a terrible job this month, he made a lot of poor decisions the last road trip and this rotation to start the second half is a head scratcher. You dont start German and gray your two worst pitchers out of the break when your 4.5 games behind the Red Sox i dont care if its the Mets. The Mets were going to be up for this series what did you expect? I knew the Mets would be tough this weekend. But regardless it is still another loss to a team with a losing record and now yanks are 5.5 back this guy has managed like the Yankees have been up 13 games its very frustrating
Lotta games still to go...  
M.S. : 7/21/2018 4:11 am : link

...but the Yankees starting rotation is making this team look more and more like a Wild Card playoff team as we enter the dog days of summer.

Photoguy  
13ODB : 7/21/2018 7:44 am : link
Big blue shock gets on every poster here that speaks the truth he is your classic Dbag. He thinks the team is perfect yet they are 5.5 back all he does is curse and talk down to people and amazingly hes still allowed to post
RE: 5.5 games out.  
13ODB : 7/21/2018 7:48 am : link
In comment 14017400 bceagle05 said:
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All these German, Cessa, Loaisiga and - sadly - Sonny Gray starts are catching up to us in the division race.



Huh??? Cessa and gray beat Baltimore last week. Lets try another excuse. How about you loom to this overrated Yankee offense how many guys have they left on base in all their losses in July????
RE: Lotta games still to go...  
13ODB : 7/21/2018 7:49 am : link
In comment 14017504 M.S. said:
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...but the Yankees starting rotation is making this team look more and more like a Wild Card playoff team as we enter the dog days of summer.


Yup blame they rotation when they are ranked 22nd in all of baseball with risp
RE: RE: Lotta games still to go...  
Eman11 : 7/21/2018 8:21 am : link
In comment 14017535 13ODB said:
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...but the Yankees starting rotation is making this team look more and more like a Wild Card playoff team as we enter the dog days of summer.




Yup blame they rotation when they are ranked 22nd in all of baseball with risp


Wait, aren't you one of the "this team doesn't get singles" guys? Complaining if they don't hit HR's they don't score and need more regular hits? How did that work out last night?

They got plenty of hits last night, just not timely ones, furthering the point it's hard to string together a few hits to score.

Personally I don't care how they score, just that they do. They certainly could've scored a bunch more last night but five runs should've been more than enough to beat this Mets team. You can blame RISP but it was the starting pitcher who cost them last night. If they win 5-1 or 5-2, people would be bummed they didn't score more but would still be pleased they hit as well as they did and won the game.

It's only because they lost anyone is pointing to the RISP, but someone could also complain they didn't hit any HR's because that would've won the game as well. Fact is German didn't do his job against a weak hitting/scoring team and that's where the blame begins and ends IMO.
Domingo Acevedo called up  
bigbluehoya : 7/21/2018 10:29 am : link
Cessa started yesterday for Trenton, so no sense wasting the 25-man spot during his standard rest period.

Acevedo probably not quite ready for the big show yet according to most reports, but if one of the next 3-4 games has garbage time (for better or worse), might see him for a couple of innings I guess.
The Yankees are on pace to win over 100 games  
arniefez : 7/21/2018 11:03 am : link
They should easily win the home field wild card if they don't win the division. If that's the route they have to take they'll just have to deal with and hope Severino is ready and good that night. The AL is loaded with excellent playoff teams. Houston, Boston and Cleveland all could win the WS. It's kind of an NBA season this year. We're just killing time waiting for the playoffs which should be great theater.
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