Mets Lineup
Brandon Nimmo – RF
Yoenis Cespedes – DH
Asdrubal Cabrera – 2B
Wilmer Flores – 1B
Michael Conforto – LF
Jose Bautista – 3B
Devin Mesoraco – C
Amed Rosario – SS
Matt den Dekker – CF
Yankees Lineup
Brett Gardner – LF
Aaron Judge – DH
Didi Gregorius – SS
Giancarlo Stanton – RF
Aaron Hicks – CF
Gary Sanchez – C
Greg Bird – 1B
Miguel Andujar – 3B
Neil Walker – 2B
Fangraphs says 97.9 average 4 seam velo v. 99.6 last year.
I know that's nitpicky, but velocity declines are concerning.
I wouldn’t necessarily be worried. Could be he’s trying to pitch more and over throw less. Who knows
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is a tick slow this year. Lots of 97-98, very little 99-100.
Fangraphs says 97.9 average 4 seam velo v. 99.6 last year.
I know that's nitpicky, but velocity declines are concerning.
I wouldn’t necessarily be worried. Could be he’s trying to pitch more and over throw less. Who knows
Could be -- just the eye test (and sadly, I watch close to 100% of Mets games) is that he's not featuring the elite stuff that we've seen in prior years.
I stated earlier that I thought it was because there's no one else to turn to, as they seem to be holding off bringing Sheffield up until his walks are down. I really think they plan on having him on the big club, middle of August at the earliest. Not having Montgomery this year isn't helping, either. I just hope Cashman isn't forced into a trade for a starting pitcher that is no better than what we have out there already. If that's the case, I'd rather they just keep running German out there and getting him some more experience.
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why German is still in the rotation, let alone starting the first game out of the break. 5.73 ERA now, and that’s after a scoreless first start. Enough already, we can’t give up any more ground and this guy goes out there with no clue where the ball is going.
I stated earlier that I thought it was because there's no one else to turn to, as they seem to be holding off bringing Sheffield up until his walks are down. I really think they plan on having him on the big club, middle of August at the earliest. Not having Montgomery this year isn't helping, either. I just hope Cashman isn't forced into a trade for a starting pitcher that is no better than what we have out there already. If that's the case, I'd rather they just keep running German out there and getting him some more experience.
This is not the time to be getting guys experience.
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why German is still in the rotation, let alone starting the first game out of the break. 5.73 ERA now, and that’s after a scoreless first start. Enough already, we can’t give up any more ground and this guy goes out there with no clue where the ball is going.
I stated earlier that I thought it was because there's no one else to turn to, as they seem to be holding off bringing Sheffield up until his walks are down. I really think they plan on having him on the big club, middle of August at the earliest. Not having Montgomery this year isn't helping, either. I just hope Cashman isn't forced into a trade for a starting pitcher that is no better than what we have out there already. If that's the case, I'd rather they just keep running German out there and getting him some more experience.
This is not the time to be getting guys experience.
Agreed, but like I said, I'd rather that than pick up someone who wouldn't be an improvement. All things considered, I'd like to see what Sheffield can do, and so would everyone else. However, that ain't what management is inclined to do right now. But yeah.....I do not disagree with you.
Fangraphs says 97.9 average 4 seam velo v. 99.6 last year.
I know that's nitpicky, but velocity declines are concerning.
Three seasons. 1.) He's throwing almost exclusively 2 seamers to get more movement on his pitches. 2.) He flat out said he was going to try not throw 100/101 on every pitch... because it's stupid. 3.) SP velocity gradually inclines by a tick or two on a bell curve peaking in July/August and with so much missed time again he hasnt had enough time to see the natural rise most pitchers do.
He did so in 436.1 innings beating the previous mark of 445.1 innings by Doc Gooden.
He did so in 436.1 innings beating the previous mark of 445.1 innings by Doc Gooden.
good stat in a vaccum any time you get mentioned in the same breath as Gooden, except Gooden was 20 years old when he reached 500k's and did it in less than 2 seasons. Syndergaard is almost 26 and it's his 4th season.
Thor needs to stay healthy.
Yeah, but it's only one loss. Losing four would be abysmal.
Doubt it.
Gooden was 82 games over .500 for his career and won 194 games.
2300 Ks, 3,51 career ERA.
Don't think Syndegaard is nearly a lock to have as long and successful a career,
Dwight's career was, rightly so, viewed as something of a disappointment -- but I
He also had a high point 84-85 that Syndergaard won't ever touch.
Not penalizing Thor, it's props for Gooden.
Other than Pedro and maybe even with Pedro, Young Dwight Gooden is the best pitcher I've ever seen. Pedro later became the best pitcher I've seen for a longer time and maybe had the most dominant season, but no one had the repertoire of a young Dwight Gooden - the heat and hook - a lot like Syndergaard but a better pitcher.
As for better career, we'll see. By 26 Gooden's career was pretty much over, just a couple legit years left before injuries and drugs took over.
but by that time he already had a WS ring, a CY Young award, a ROY award, and 4 top 5 Cy Young appearances. And really could have been the 1985 MVP if voters weren't so close minded.
Gooden had eleven 2+ WAR seasons
Those included 7 3+ seasons and, of course, a ridiculous 12.2 WAR in 1985.
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It's impressive either way. Something tells me Thor has the better career as well. ;)
Not penalizing Thor, it's props for Gooden.
Other than Pedro and maybe even with Pedro, Young Dwight Gooden is the best pitcher I've ever seen. Pedro later became the best pitcher I've seen for a longer time and maybe had the most dominant season, but no one had the repertoire of a young Dwight Gooden - the heat and hook - a lot like Syndergaard but a better pitcher.
As for better career, we'll see. By 26 Gooden's career was pretty much over, just a couple legit years left before injuries and drugs took over.
but by that time he already had a WS ring, a CY Young award, a ROY award, and 4 top 5 Cy Young appearances. And really could have been the 1985 MVP if voters weren't so close minded.
I guess that's my point. Everybody remembers Doc as being SO dominant when he burst on the scene. His first couple of seasons were easily his best years. The fact that Thor has K'd even more in fewer atbats is very impressive IMO.
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It's impressive either way. Something tells me Thor has the better career as well. ;)
Not penalizing Thor, it's props for Gooden.
Other than Pedro and maybe even with Pedro, Young Dwight Gooden is the best pitcher I've ever seen. Pedro later became the best pitcher I've seen for a longer time and maybe had the most dominant season, but no one had the repertoire of a young Dwight Gooden - the heat and hook - a lot like Syndergaard but a better pitcher.
As for better career, we'll see. By 26 Gooden's career was pretty much over, just a couple legit years left before injuries and drugs took over.
but by that time he already had a WS ring, a CY Young award, a ROY award, and 4 top 5 Cy Young appearances. And really could have been the 1985 MVP if voters weren't so close minded.
Yup, his 1984-1985 was equal to anything I've ever seen -- Pedro, Unit included.
Did it with two pitches as well. He was something else.
Really amazing that he was that good and a "what could have been story"
58-19 first three years; 109 wins through his age 25 season. By all accounts he got into drugs the winter between 85-86.
But he still had a hell of a run for those first six years.
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It's impressive either way. Something tells me Thor has the better career as well. ;)
Not penalizing Thor, it's props for Gooden.
Other than Pedro and maybe even with Pedro, Young Dwight Gooden is the best pitcher I've ever seen. Pedro later became the best pitcher I've seen for a longer time and maybe had the most dominant season, but no one had the repertoire of a young Dwight Gooden - the heat and hook - a lot like Syndergaard but a better pitcher.
As for better career, we'll see. By 26 Gooden's career was pretty much over, just a couple legit years left before injuries and drugs took over.
but by that time he already had a WS ring, a CY Young award, a ROY award, and 4 top 5 Cy Young appearances. And really could have been the 1985 MVP if voters weren't so close minded.
I guess that's my point. Everybody remembers Doc as being SO dominant when he burst on the scene. His first couple of seasons were easily his best years. The fact that Thor has K'd even more in fewer atbats is very impressive IMO.
Absolutely, Thor is super impressive. I just think that Gooden's failures are so sad and such a "waste" that he had a shockingly good career set of numbers.
Really hope Thor sniffs 200 wins. It would mean he'd be healthy for the next 6-8 years as a Met.
He was awesome in 2015. I just don't know how he lasts. I hope he can pitch a few years w/o injury so we can see!
Gooden had eleven 2+ WAR seasons
Those included 7 3+ seasons and, of course, a ridiculous 12.2 WAR in 1985.
Yeah. I prefer fWAR but either way he was truly ridiculous his first two seasons. Still a healthy Thor year likely puts him in the 6-7 win range. Doc finished his career at 56 fWAR which is impressive. I think if Thor stays relatively healthy in his career he'll surpass that... accolades and rings or not.
Yep. Was fortunate to see a bunch of home starts 84-85. The buzz was unreal.
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so, Thor has had two seasons of 2+ WAR (2015, 2.4; 2016 5.0) and will likely have one this year (1.7 ATM).
Gooden had eleven 2+ WAR seasons
Those included 7 3+ seasons and, of course, a ridiculous 12.2 WAR in 1985.
Yeah. I prefer fWAR but either way he was truly ridiculous his first two seasons. Still a healthy Thor year likely puts him in the 6-7 win range. Doc finished his career at 56 fWAR which is impressive. I think if Thor stays relatively healthy in his career he'll surpass that... accolades and rings or not.
Man, I hope so. I haven't seen the "A" game from Thor much at all this year. Been a bit concerned over him coming off the lat issue.
Hoping we see him shine down the stretch.
Huh? Thor hit 99 mph tonight. lol. Multiple times.
Hope not. A lot of breaking balls, even besides Judge and seemed like his fast ball velocity was down.
Come on man. All we ever see on Yankees threads from the mouth breathers is that the Yankees hit too many HRs and they wish they’d hit more singles. They’re getting what they wanted! What’s the problem?
Didn't feel like he was that dominant during that time.
5 starts before injury:
30 innings (6, 6, 5, 7, 6); 33 hits; 8 BB; 30 K;
Just haven't seen "vintage" Thor this year, imo.
Hope not. A lot of breaking balls, even besides Judge and seemed like his fast ball velocity was down.
yep. Definite decline as the game wore on.
Hopefully just gettin his legs under him after the DL stint.
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wow.
Come on man. All we ever see on Yankees threads from the mouth breathers is that the Yankees hit too many HRs and they wish they’d hit more singles. They’re getting what they wanted! What’s the problem?
LOL.....I read those comments too. 8 singles is ok, as long as a few home runs are generously sprinkled among them.
What in the world is going on on that play.
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Yup. Nice piece of hitting there by Walker inches us closer.