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Giants are requiring you have tickets for training camp

gidiefor : Mod : 7/20/2018 7:16 pm
Below is the link to reserve tickets. Tickets are free but they are saying you must have one to enter the compound.
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gidiefor : Mod : 7/20/2018 7:19 pm : link
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Art Stapleton @art_stapleton

Groups wishing to attend with more than 16 people are encouraged to contact the Giants Training Camp Hotline directly (201.935.8111 ext. 1070).
Please verify with the Giants  
Alwaysblue22 : 7/20/2018 8:12 pm : link
This could be a spear fishing attack for info... if they ask for Credit card info do not proceed.
always blue  
gidiefor : Mod : 7/20/2018 8:51 pm : link
this was posted by the Giants twitter account
From the email....  
18E : 7/20/2018 8:51 pm : link
While registering for tickets is strongly recommended to guarantee access to view the camp practice, the team will also grant fans admittance to practice sessions on a walk-up basis, if space permits.
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gidiefor : Mod : 7/20/2018 8:54 pm : link
here is the Giants annoncement
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The Giants are doing what they can to remove fun from training camp  
Marty in Albany : 7/20/2018 8:55 pm : link
If the preseason games are any indication, half the people who get training camp tickets will not show up. The Giants probably know this and may overbook and it will be chaos.

I can see families who don't know about the need for tickets showing up without them and paying scalpers for free tickets.
This is so far removed from what it was like in Albany  
Bold Ruler : Mod : 7/20/2018 9:01 pm : link
it's unrecognizable.
Have the camps been crowded since they moved closer  
jcn56 : 7/20/2018 9:12 pm : link
to the city? If so, it's only responsible of them to ask for reservations in advance and allow walk-ins if space permits. Otherwise, you end up with a messy, first-come, first-serve type situation.
football, nfl, has gone to shit  
micky : 7/20/2018 9:21 pm : link
never be as good as it once was
RE: football, nfl, has gone to shit  
Sec 103 : 7/20/2018 10:53 pm : link
In comment 14017309 micky said:
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never be as good as it once was

In so many ways.... Pathetic
RE: This is so far removed from what it was like in Albany  
DennyInDenville : 7/20/2018 11:16 pm : link
In comment 14017284 Bold Ruler said:
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it's unrecognizable.

Well said. It's been 7 really fast years now
I do miss  
jtfuoco : 7/21/2018 12:06 am : link
Albany it was such a fun experience.
Is this the first year they are asking for tickets?  
short lease : 7/21/2018 1:55 am : link
.
They are free though ....  
short lease : 7/21/2018 1:57 am : link
not sure why I read it as though they were charging.

I miss  
Neckbone1333 : 7/21/2018 7:15 am : link
Fairleigh Dickinson
RE: football, nfl, has gone to shit  
Giantology : 7/21/2018 8:42 am : link
In comment 14017309 micky said:
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never be as good as it once was


What does reserving a free ticket have to do with the NFL going to shit?
RE: Have the camps been crowded since they moved closer  
Bobby Humphrey's Earpad : 7/21/2018 8:52 am : link
In comment 14017300 jcn56 said:
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to the city? If so, it's only responsible of them to ask for reservations in advance and allow walk-ins if space permits. Otherwise, you end up with a messy, first-come, first-serve type situation.


The one I went to was packed but not overly packed where you couldn't move or find a seat. Plus the kids corner kind of spreads the people out. I guess this is more from a risk perspective than anything else.
RE: I miss  
Big Blue '56 : 7/21/2018 9:34 am : link
In comment 14017526 Neckbone1333 said:
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Fairleigh Dickinson


Albany for me. Never went to FD
I always get suspicious.....  
Alwaysblue22 : 7/21/2018 10:09 am : link
when a website is asking you for any information to attend an event that is supposed to be FREE. I understand that they want to control the crowd but as someone posted... people do not give a shit and will show up with no tickets and have to BUY them. Sometimes going to a practice is a spontaneous decision and not pre-planned. If this is the way DG is running the Giants it does not bode well for the upcoming season. Maybe they want to keep Belichick and his spies out of camp, or McAdoo.
Congratulations, you've been monitized!  
JohnF : 7/21/2018 11:08 am : link
As the popular saying goes, "If you are not paying, you are not the customer, but you are the product."

1) As has been discussed before, if NFL teams charge for admission, they have to allow other teams scouts to attend (as the Redskins found out when Snyder tried it). Offering free tickets is a way to get around that.

2) The Giants had to hire a third party company (Universal) to do this. That's going to cost them money, Universal's services aren't free. If the team was concerned about fan safety, why not just limit the number of fans coming in per practice?

It's not as if they can't keep an accurate count of fans coming in, and stop admission at some number (considering that almost everyone gets stopped to be searched if they have a bag, those lines don't move very fast). It would not take anymore resources to hire a people counter vs hiring someone to scan your free tickets.

3) Businesses spend money to make money. The NFL knows their customer email addresses are valuable...other businesses would love to reach NFL fan bases with targeted advertising. It's why advertisers pay to show ads on web sites..so that they can target users that visit those sites, by showing ads they think the users will buy from.

Email is a more direct way of doing this, and is more valuable. I suspect the Giants expect to do more than break even here.

4) So what do we know about Universal?

Here's the link to their website Your next event starts here!

And here's another link comparing Universal to another ticketing agency. What I'm concerned about is further down the page...scroll down until you see "Secure Data Storage". Uh, it is NOT checked!!!

I'm fine with not going to training camp, under those conditions. That's my choice, I'm not saying the team is evil for doing this, though I doubt Wellington would approve of this way of treating the fans. Apparently, John Mara is fine with it.

Oh, and this will probably be done by all the teams, if it isn't being done already. We're just a commodity to the NFL now.
Here's a bit more  
JohnF : 7/21/2018 11:29 am : link
From Universal's Privacy Policy

What information we hold & where we get it

When you use our websites or apps, we collect information such as the browser and device you're using, your IP address, your location, the site you came from, what you did and didn't use our site/app for, or the site you visit when you leave us. For more information on how we collect this information, see our Cookie Policy

When you use a social media feature within our website or apps, and you post to social media platforms, the social media site will provide us with some information about you.


Ah, Facebook...we all know how Facebook treats our data, eh?

How we use your information

For our legitimate business interests

To conduct market research and analysis which helps improve and customise our products and services

For our marketing purposes, unless your consent is required for such marketing (see section 3 below).

To send you customer service emails including booking confirmations and event reminders.

To create a profile about you to help us personalise our services to you. For example, if you purchase tickets to pop events and you have consented to our marketing, we will inform you about other pop events we think you might be interested in.


And, we come to the main attraction!

Who We Share Your Data With & Why

Within the Live Nation Entertainment family of companies who provide services for us such as marketing, profiling, reporting and technical support.

Our third-party service providers (sometimes known as data processors) such as cloud computing providers who provide the IT infrastructure on which our products and systems are built.

We may share your information with our Sellers so that they can run the event and for other reasons described in their privacy policies. We will always name the Sellers when you purchase a ticket and you will be given the option to subscribe to receiving marketing from them.

Third parties who provide goods and services purchased by you (e.g. ticket insurance or merchandise) so that they can process and fulfil your orders.

Government agencies or other authorised bodies where permitted or required by law.

Any successor to all or part of our business.


(Fine print, isn't it wonderful! The marks will never read this stuff!!!)

RE: They are free though ....  
micky : 7/21/2018 11:40 am : link
In comment 14017494 short lease said:
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not sure why I read it as though they were charging.


read Marty in Albany comment...thats what likely could hapoen to some..pathetic
Re:They are free though ....  
JohnF : 7/21/2018 12:25 pm : link
I wonder how long it is before these "free" tickets show up on third party re-seller websites. Now, you'd think that that wouldn't happen...after all, NY only allows 45% markup on face, NJ 20% markup..in both cases, that's still free, right?

Ah, but there's a catch. It's the "reasonable ticket handling surcharge" (I'm talking about YOU, Ticketmaster!). A $10 handling fee for free e-tickets is a nice little profit.

Oh, and don't count out scalpers. I have no doubt we'll see that at Camp this year. There will be plenty of people who will come to camp not knowing about the announcement, and they will gladly pay $5 per ticket so their kid can get in.
Even if it's blasted all over the press and radio..

Oh, and can anyone remember when they closed admission to camp because of capacity since it's moved to the Meadowlands?

I know with Barkley, more people will come, but if the team expects huge crowds, they should hold practice at Metlife. Other teams do it, for example, the Eagles:

Philadelphia Eagles hold open practice at Lincoln Financial Field

And it's not like the team can't break even with selling merchandise and food at the stadium.
RE: Re:They are free though ....  
short lease : 7/21/2018 12:44 pm : link
In comment 14017736 JohnF said:
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I wonder how long it is before these "free" tickets show up on third party re-seller websites. Now, you'd think that that wouldn't happen...after all, NY only allows 45% markup on face, NJ 20% markup..in both cases, that's still free, right?

Ah, but there's a catch. It's the "reasonable ticket handling surcharge" (I'm talking about YOU, Ticketmaster!). A $10 handling fee for free e-tickets is a nice little profit.

Oh, and don't count out scalpers. I have no doubt we'll see that at Camp this year. There will be plenty of people who will come to camp not knowing about the announcement, and they will gladly pay $5 per ticket so their kid can get in.
Even if it's blasted all over the press and radio..

Oh, and can anyone remember when they closed admission to camp because of capacity since it's moved to the Meadowlands?

I know with Barkley, more people will come, but if the team expects huge crowds, they should hold practice at Metlife. Other teams do it, for example, the Eagles:

Philadelphia Eagles hold open practice at Lincoln Financial Field

And it's not like the team can't break even with selling merchandise and food at the stadium.


Very true John .... how long before the team itself starts selling them? Why not get $10.00 a ticket if you can? .... and they can. Start selling beer and food etc .... before you know the team is taking in 12 - 15 thousand a day? I don't know, maybe more - how many people show up to watch practice?
RE: I miss  
baadbill : 7/21/2018 12:46 pm : link
In comment 14017526 Neckbone1333 said:
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Fairleigh Dickinson


I loved the couple of years they held practices at FDU... upper and lower fields... sad to think about just how long ago that was... I went to every Sat/Sun practice and, since I had my own firm in Morristown, I would sneak a few hours during the week almost every weekday... just so much fun watching LT, Banks, Simms and Bavaro - all up close and personal - just standing behind a snow fence - so close to where they were practicing (20-30 feet away).
Didn't pre-season games used to be free until  
short lease : 7/21/2018 12:50 pm : link
about 30 - 40 years ago? Or, they weren't part of the season ticket package ....or something like that?
Love football  
Sneakers O'toole : 7/21/2018 12:53 pm : link
Hate the nfl
Short Lease, the reason the team won't sell them  
JohnF : 7/21/2018 12:55 pm : link
is that teams have agreed to NOT allow scouts to come to free practices. If the Giants try and sell tickets, then they must allow other teams scouts to come.

It happened in Washington when Dan Snyder decided to charge for camp tickets.
John  
Sneakers O'toole : 7/21/2018 1:01 pm : link
Give it time, that will change too.
RE: Here's a bit more  
Gatorade Dunk : 7/21/2018 2:12 pm : link
In comment 14017689 JohnF said:
Quote:
From Universal's Privacy Policy

What information we hold & where we get it

When you use our websites or apps, we collect information such as the browser and device you're using, your IP address, your location, the site you came from, what you did and didn't use our site/app for, or the site you visit when you leave us. For more information on how we collect this information, see our Cookie Policy

When you use a social media feature within our website or apps, and you post to social media platforms, the social media site will provide us with some information about you.

Ah, Facebook...we all know how Facebook treats our data, eh?

How we use your information

For our legitimate business interests

To conduct market research and analysis which helps improve and customise our products and services

For our marketing purposes, unless your consent is required for such marketing (see section 3 below).

To send you customer service emails including booking confirmations and event reminders.

To create a profile about you to help us personalise our services to you. For example, if you purchase tickets to pop events and you have consented to our marketing, we will inform you about other pop events we think you might be interested in.

And, we come to the main attraction!

Who We Share Your Data With & Why

Within the Live Nation Entertainment family of companies who provide services for us such as marketing, profiling, reporting and technical support.

Our third-party service providers (sometimes known as data processors) such as cloud computing providers who provide the IT infrastructure on which our products and systems are built.

We may share your information with our Sellers so that they can run the event and for other reasons described in their privacy policies. We will always name the Sellers when you purchase a ticket and you will be given the option to subscribe to receiving marketing from them.

Third parties who provide goods and services purchased by you (e.g. ticket insurance or merchandise) so that they can process and fulfil your orders.

Government agencies or other authorised bodies where permitted or required by law.

Any successor to all or part of our business.

(Fine print, isn't it wonderful! The marks will never read this stuff!!!)

John, Universal is a Ticketmaster affiliate. More than likely, they already had your email address.
That's true, Gatoraide  
JohnF : 7/21/2018 3:01 pm : link
But TicketMaster wouldn't have a son or daughter's address. Universe allows children as young as thirteen to sign up. That is just wrong, when you know the kids will be targeted.

Has anyone tried getting these tickets? Do they have assigned seats, or first come/first served? I thought venues had to assign seats, or is that a NYS thing?

Oh, speaking of TicketMaster does not inspire confidence. TM has a history of messing free events up.

..  
Dodge : 7/21/2018 3:35 pm : link
If you weirdos are so worried about free tickets and giving away your email address... go make a new email address with google.

People bitch about everything. Get a life.
John F  
Vanzetti : 7/21/2018 3:38 pm : link
Great detective work!It's posts like this that make BBI worth reading
Thanks, Vanzetti!  
JohnF : 7/21/2018 4:10 pm : link
Oh, and Dodge...nice try, but you're another one who didn't read the "fine print". Universe is putting cookies on your computer when you visit. Look up how much your browser "leaks"...they can identify you from that.

As an aside,anyone suspicious about the timing of this? The team had months to figure out attendance might be a problem, but they come out with a ticket solution the week before camp?

Opps...shouldn't ask too many questions about the "man behind the curtain", eh?
Can anyone say...  
M.S. : 7/21/2018 5:00 pm : link

...SUNY Albany?
RE: RE: football, nfl, has gone to shit  
mattlawson : 7/21/2018 11:27 pm : link
In comment 14017554 Giantology said:
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In comment 14017309 micky said:


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never be as good as it once was



What does reserving a free ticket have to do with the NFL going to shit?


old man yells at cloud gif
primary reason for tickets  
Dave on the UWS : 7/22/2018 2:25 pm : link
is to collect info for possible PSL interest. Its the primary question that's asked when you are signing up for the tickets.
Sucks.  
Giant John : 7/22/2018 4:49 pm : link
I’m not going. Lines are rediculous anyway.
If the Giants are pushing PSL's with this  
JohnF : 7/22/2018 5:27 pm : link
then you'd think they'd hold one or more practices at Metlife (and identify available PSL seats for the visitors).

It's a lot more attractive when you can actually sit in the seats you're looking to purchase, right?
RE: Have the camps been crowded since they moved closer  
ZogZerg : 7/23/2018 6:52 am : link
In comment 14017300 jcn56 said:
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to the city? If so, it's only responsible of them to ask for reservations in advance and allow walk-ins if space permits. Otherwise, you end up with a messy, first-come, first-serve type situation.


YES. It was absolutely MOBBED last year when we went. Lines were wrapped all kinds of crazy through the parking lot. I was actually disappointed on how unorganized it was. But, we did end up getting a good seat. The funny part was, more than half the crowd had jerseys on and 90% of them were OBJ.
RE: Didn't pre-season games used to be free until  
ZogZerg : 7/23/2018 6:54 am : link
In comment 14017755 short lease said:
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about 30 - 40 years ago? Or, they weren't part of the season ticket package ....or something like that?


Dude - A lot has changed in 40 years. LOL with this.
Teams have had..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 7/23/2018 8:22 am : link
to change in recent times.

The Panthers used to hold one of their last practices at Bank of America stadium free of charge during the day. Then they turned it into "FanFest" that was free of charge. Then they held it at night and the stadium got more an more packed. Then they handed out free tickets for seat assignments.

Last year and this year, they are charging $5 for a ticket and they "sold out" in 154 minutes (I'm assuming scalpers helped in this). Their justification for charging the $5 is for safety concerns on attendance and for giving money to Panthers charities.

They've basically taken a great free event to let children of all income levels see the players and they've already restricted that.
RE: That's true, Gatoraide  
UberAlias : 7/23/2018 12:20 pm : link
In comment 14017833 JohnF said:
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But TicketMaster wouldn't have a son or daughter's address. Universe allows children as young as thirteen to sign up. That is just wrong, when you know the kids will be targeted.

Has anyone tried getting these tickets? Do they have assigned seats, or first come/first served? I thought venues had to assign seats, or is that a NYS thing?

Oh, speaking of TicketMaster does not inspire confidence. TM has a history of messing free events up.
I registered for tickets. Was pretty easy -no assigned seats.
RE: RE: That's true, Gatoraide  
UberAlias : 7/23/2018 12:21 pm : link
In comment 14019117 UberAlias said:
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In comment 14017833 JohnF said:


Quote:


But TicketMaster wouldn't have a son or daughter's address. Universe allows children as young as thirteen to sign up. That is just wrong, when you know the kids will be targeted.

Has anyone tried getting these tickets? Do they have assigned seats, or first come/first served? I thought venues had to assign seats, or is that a NYS thing?

Oh, speaking of TicketMaster does not inspire confidence. TM has a history of messing free events up.


I registered for tickets. Was pretty easy -no assigned seats.
Tickets were emailed to me after submitting the form.
They emailed me the "tickets"  
Dave on the UWS : 7/23/2018 1:00 pm : link
on my phone. They just have to scan the bar code. It wasn't a hassle but the reason for it is obvious to me. They will claim its for safety reasons, etc,etc,etc. yeah ok if they say so.
How soon in advance do you need tickets?  
Rover : 7/23/2018 1:37 pm : link
I may go, if it's worthwhile
Well this sucks  
kennyd : 7/23/2018 5:55 pm : link
Just heard that they were doing this, went to site and it says they're completely sold out. Thanks Giants! Not even sure how this works but if anyone has 3 or 4 for Monday 7/29 I'd appreciate it. I promised my daughter and a friend of hers that we'd go as she loved it last year/ UGH!!!
Guess won't be going this year  
Bobby Humphrey's Earpad : 7/23/2018 7:09 pm : link
I was trying to identify a day to take of from work. Sorry Giants.
I don't get what people are all up in arms about  
ShocknAwe80 : 7/23/2018 10:00 pm : link
I would much rather have a ticket (that I didn't pay for knowing I can get in and watch) than driving to jersey and waiting on line for 2 hours and not getting in. It's crowd control. What's the big deal?
RE: I don't get what people are all up in arms about  
kennyd : 7/23/2018 10:22 pm : link
The problem I have is that there was no real advanced notice about this. They come up with this plan a couple days before camp starts? Obviously they knew about this for a while, that's a little ridiculous. Also, if the tickets are free what is preventing people from getting 8 tickets to each practice, waiting until that morning and deciding whether they want to go or not. I'm not saying the first come, first served plan was great but for Christ sake, give a little notice. Not everybody checks Giants news everyday in mid-July!


In comment 14019835 ShocknAwe80 said:
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I would much rather have a ticket (that I didn't pay for knowing I can get in and watch) than driving to jersey and waiting on line for 2 hours and not getting in. It's crowd control. What's the big deal?
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