Numbers for a guy repeating a year are always suspect. Especially at age 23.
Obviously, there is a huge dearth of catchers in MLB, so I can see why he has some value. But I hope he is not the return
I'd be happy with Murphy, but he doesn't seem particularly exciting. Seems like an overachiever and agree about the repeat success.
I'm glad Oakland seems to have a pretty good system. They got a great return from the Nats last year, so hopefully they can return the favor. Would love to grab that pitcher coming back from TJS and another player.
Numbers for a guy repeating a year are always suspect. Especially at age 23.
Obviously, there is a huge dearth of catchers in MLB, so I can see why he has some value. But I hope he is not the return
He didnt repeat a year though. He spent most of last year in A+. 200atbats in AA to finish the year last year isnt some massive sample where he shoukd have started AAA this year automatically. The fact that hes now hitting almost exactly 130 two years in a row at two different levels is likely far more telling. Either way I doubt we are getting him.
Cespedes says that the cause of his medical issues is calcification in both heels. He says the only way to fix the issue is surgery. Hes considering it for the off-season, but the recovery time is apparently 8-10 months.
lol. So hes playing now, why exactly? Get the surgery now. Not in the off-season. If thats the recovery time. Unreal
It really makes no sense to wait until the off-season. What is gained by waiting and then missing the first few months of next season?
1. He will likely miss a good junk of next year if he has the surgery.
2. So the real benefit would be in 2020, the last year of his contract. But what is the the guarantee that he is the same player after a 8-10 month recovery.
3. I'll take him missing 80 games each of the next two years if he hit like has this year even while missing time
Numbers for a guy repeating a year are always suspect. Especially at age 23.
Obviously, there is a huge dearth of catchers in MLB, so I can see why he has some value. But I hope he is not the return
He didnt repeat a year though. He spent most of last year in A+. 200atbats in AA to finish the year last year isnt some massive sample where he shoukd have started AAA this year automatically. The fact that hes now hitting almost exactly 130 two years in a row at two different levels is likely far more telling. Either way I doubt we are getting him.
You guys are arguing over a dude that might not even be in the trade
Numbers for a guy repeating a year are always suspect. Especially at age 23.
Obviously, there is a huge dearth of catchers in MLB, so I can see why he has some value. But I hope he is not the return
He didnt repeat a year though. He spent most of last year in A+. 200atbats in AA to finish the year last year isnt some massive sample where he shoukd have started AAA this year automatically. The fact that hes now hitting almost exactly 130 two years in a row at two different levels is likely far more telling. Either way I doubt we are getting him.
You guys are arguing over a dude that might not even be in the trade
1. He will likely miss a good junk of next year if he has the surgery.
2. So the real benefit would be in 2020, the last year of his contract. But what is the the guarantee that he is the same player after a 8-10 month recovery.
3. I'll take him missing 80 games each of the next two years if he hit like has this year even while missing time
Why not just get it now? They're not going anywhere this year and if he got it now he could possibly be ready by the end of spring/beginning of next season. Then he could get most if not all of next season healthy.
It doesn't make sense to me to miss a good portion of this year already, play with pain through the rest of a wasted year, and then either miss most of next year if he gets the surgery or play injured again if he doesn't get it. Just chalk this season up as a loss and get ready asap for next.
in Ben Cherington (former Red Sox GM) as a GM candidate for the Mets.
I think it could be a solid hire. The current Red Sox owe a lot of their success to him and he made a few savvy moves to dump bad contracts he inherited. He also signed a few big free agent busts, but overall, it seemed like he really went out of his way to load up on assets in Boston and it eventually paid dividends there after he left.
Lazaro Armenteros Was held out of his minor league game
Would seemingly be a good get. I'm still hoping that pitcher about to come back from TJS they got from the Yankees is 1 of the pieces. He's 24 and hasn't pitched in 2 years, but seems like a nice lotto ticket.
Lazaro Armenteros Was held out of his minor league game
Would seemingly be a good get. I'm still hoping that pitcher about to come back from TJS they got from the Yankees is 1 of the pieces. He's 24 and hasn't pitched in 2 years, but seems like a nice lotto ticket.
If I were you I would be very happy with Lazaro Armenteros or Kaprielian. Kaprielian will be on an innings limit next year though but he is a good gamble to take moving forward. They aren't going to get Puk or Luzardo for a rental.
Lazaro Armenteros Was held out of his minor league game
Would seemingly be a good get. I'm still hoping that pitcher about to come back from TJS they got from the Yankees is 1 of the pieces. He's 24 and hasn't pitched in 2 years, but seems like a nice lotto ticket.
If I were you I would be very happy with Lazaro Armenteros or Kaprielian. Kaprielian will be on an innings limit next year though but he is a good gamble to take moving forward. They aren't going to get Puk or Luzardo for a rental.
Cespedes says that the cause of his medical issues is calcification in both heels. He says the only way to fix the issue is surgery. Hes considering it for the off-season, but the recovery time is apparently 8-10 months.
lol. So hes playing now, why exactly? Get the surgery now. Not in the off-season. If thats the recovery time. Unreal
It really makes no sense to wait until the off-season. What is gained by waiting and then missing the first few months of next season?
Cespedes is a lost cause as a Met. He will have surgery and take 2 years to recover. Thank goodness we have Bautista this season and a recovered Bruce for next season.
Ruining the Mets 3 stooges gm chances of trying to sneak him off into a midnight trade deadline deal by spilling the beans lolz!
Cespedes and Wright will be off the books the same year right? Might as well sit him out and have idiot media write endless stories about his comeback atrempts too.
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Its down to the medical reviews in the Jeurys Familia #Mets #Athletics trade, according to sources. Once thats done, the deal should sail through.
Familia is not an all star but a pretty good closer and would probably be a very good set up man for a team that has a closer. From what Im reading here, the offer is one decent prospect who is a few years away from the big leagues. Is that right ? If yes, Im not happy with it. Im
some twitterers said yesterday it was multiple prospects
generally garner one good prospect (1-10 team range). Even when we gave up Fulmer for Cespedes, Fulmer wasnt close to our best prospect. He was more in the 5-10 range. I expect similar and if a second or third piece are added they are likely just upside wild cards.
that's true but the A's seem to have a pretty good system
the pitcher they got from the Yankees was on Keith Law's preseason top 100 and he's not even mentioned in the top 13 or 14 by the Fangraphs midseason update. Outside of their top 3 or 4 guys there seems to be a lot of mixed opinion on their next 10.
Mateo played 10 innings last night and the young OF'er got pulled so it seems like he's going to be the good piece. What the 2nd piece is who knows. I'd rather go with the upside so I'd roll the dice on the guy who hasn't pitched in 2 years, but good luck figuring out where he should rank when taking the injuries into account.
generally garner one good prospect (1-10 team range). Even when we gave up Fulmer for Cespedes, Fulmer wasnt close to our best prospect. He was more in the 5-10 range. I expect similar and if a second or third piece are added they are likely just upside wild cards.
Fulmer was absolutely one of our top 5 prospects.
also I think Beane is making a real smart move trading for Familia
generally garner one good prospect (1-10 team range). Even when we gave up Fulmer for Cespedes, Fulmer wasnt close to our best prospect. He was more in the 5-10 range. I expect similar and if a second or third piece are added they are likely just upside wild cards.
Fulmer was absolutely one of our top 5 prospects.
On what planet? You do realize mid 2015, Syndergaard, Matz, Conforto, Nimmo were all still prospects, yes?
has had this condition for 15 years and people are killing the Mets for that.
the Mets are his 4th organization. Yes, the Mets medical team seems like keystone cops, but they're hardly alone if Cespedes' condition was medically detectable and a big deal.
has had this condition for 15 years and people are killing the Mets for that.
the Mets are his 4th organization. Yes, the Mets medical team seems like keystone cops, but they're hardly alone if Cespedes' condition was medically detectable and a big deal.
But all those organizations got rid of him very quickly. I remember being surprised when Oakland traded him because he was their big foray into the international market. Red Sox had him for about two months. Detroit for about 4 months. Four teams in his first four years.
has had this condition for 15 years and people are killing the Mets for that.
the Mets are his 4th organization. Yes, the Mets medical team seems like keystone cops, but they're hardly alone if Cespedes' condition was medically detectable and a big deal.
But all those organizations got rid of him very quickly. I remember being surprised when Oakland traded him because he was their big foray into the international market. Red Sox had him for about two months. Detroit for about 4 months. Four teams in his first four years.
Agree, but he still had to pass a physical, my only point is if this condition was so detectable and debilitating one of the other three organizations should have or would have caught it too.
has had this condition for 15 years and people are killing the Mets for that.
the Mets are his 4th organization. Yes, the Mets medical team seems like keystone cops, but they're hardly alone if Cespedes' condition was medically detectable and a big deal.
But all those organizations got rid of him very quickly. I remember being surprised when Oakland traded him because he was their big foray into the international market. Red Sox had him for about two months. Detroit for about 4 months. Four teams in his first four years.
Agree, but he still had to pass a physical, my only point is if this condition was so detectable and debilitating one of the other three organizations should have or would have caught it too.
Yeah, I don't necessarily blame the Mets for not catching it. Probably hard to detect unless the player specifically complains about the heel, and I'm sure Cespedes was smart enough not to draw attention to it before he had his big contract.
It's just when you have the history with poor doctors/medical like the Mets, the team is going to get blamed when something like this pops. You are your reputation.
And then if you know about a degenerative condition that gets worse over time why even offer a 4 year deal???
Mets doing what they do best and getting rid of guys bc they are the most expensive and best and then signing guys who are second tier to contracts that are above the league market and hyping them as stars
RE: that's true but the A's seem to have a pretty good system
the pitcher they got from the Yankees was on Keith Law's preseason top 100 and he's not even mentioned in the top 13 or 14 by the Fangraphs midseason update. Outside of their top 3 or 4 guys there seems to be a lot of mixed opinion on their next 10.
Mateo played 10 innings last night and the young OF'er got pulled so it seems like he's going to be the good piece. What the 2nd piece is who knows. I'd rather go with the upside so I'd roll the dice on the guy who hasn't pitched in 2 years, but good luck figuring out where he should rank when taking the injuries into account.
They do have a deep system but Kaprielian had a setback in his TJS recovery and hasn't thrown a pitch in a game in two years.
Just a reminder, asked Ricco about improving Mets defense yesterday a no brainer and he gave a non-answer saying he is one of only 3
2:22 PM - 21 Jul 2018
Just a reminder, asked Ricco about improving Mets defense yesterday a no brainer and he gave a non-answer saying he is one of only 3
2:22 PM - 21 Jul 2018
Mets doing what they do best and getting rid of guys bc they are the most expensive and best and then signing guys who are second tier to contracts that are above the league market and hyping them as stars
Yup. Mets don't sign or resign the big free agents and then attempt to save face by acquiring a cheaper alternative.
Vince Coleman, Appier, Mo Vaughn, Jay Bruce, Todd Frazier . .. . the list goes on and on . . . the same failed approach again and again
So after they let Degrom go, what brilliant alternative will they sign?
Mets doing what they do best and getting rid of guys bc they are the most expensive and best and then signing guys who are second tier to contracts that are above the league market and hyping them as stars
Yup. Mets don't sign or resign the big free agents and then attempt to save face by acquiring a cheaper alternative.
Vince Coleman, Appier, Mo Vaughn, Jay Bruce, Todd Frazier . .. . the list goes on and on . . . the same failed approach again and again
So after they let Degrom go, what brilliant alternative will they sign?
Key to winning baseball is developing your homegrown talent, augmented by analytics. Not reliance on free agency.
Jane Lee (@JaneMLB)
7/21/18, 3:44 PM
Hearing the As and Mets have finalized a trade. As sending two prospects, plus international slot money, to Mets for Jeurys Familia.
Anthony DiComo (@AnthonyDiComo)
7/21/18, 3:49 PM
Will Toffey, a 23-year-old third baseman and Oakland's 17th-ranked prospect, is one of the two players the Mets are getting in return for Jeurys Familia.
Anthony DiComo (@AnthonyDiComo)
7/21/18, 3:53 PM
The other prospect the Mets are getting is Bobby Wahl, according to @Joelsherman1. He's a 26-year-old reliever who throws in the mid-90s, and had a cup of coffee in the big leagues last year.
has Oaklands 7th best prospect, so some are higher on him.
Looks like a nice player at an area of need for the organization.
Toffey was hyped coming out of Vandy, but isnt the toolsiest of players so the opinions likely vary widely depending on what you value. When I was looking at As farm system I just knew the Mets would overvalue him with his production in PCL
Joel Sherman (@Joelsherman1)
7/21/18, 3:57 PM
Heard the amount coming to NYM in international dollars is somewhat significant. Could see with Minaya back with big say #Mets pushing harder internationally
Obviously, there is a huge dearth of catchers in MLB, so I can see why he has some value. But I hope he is not the return
I'd be happy with Murphy, but he doesn't seem particularly exciting. Seems like an overachiever and agree about the repeat success.
I'm glad Oakland seems to have a pretty good system. They got a great return from the Nats last year, so hopefully they can return the favor. Would love to grab that pitcher coming back from TJS and another player.
Obviously, there is a huge dearth of catchers in MLB, so I can see why he has some value. But I hope he is not the return
He didnt repeat a year though. He spent most of last year in A+. 200atbats in AA to finish the year last year isnt some massive sample where he shoukd have started AAA this year automatically. The fact that hes now hitting almost exactly 130 two years in a row at two different levels is likely far more telling. Either way I doubt we are getting him.
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Cespedes says that the cause of his medical issues is calcification in both heels. He says the only way to fix the issue is surgery. Hes considering it for the off-season, but the recovery time is apparently 8-10 months.
lol. So hes playing now, why exactly? Get the surgery now. Not in the off-season. If thats the recovery time. Unreal
1. He will likely miss a good junk of next year if he has the surgery.
2. So the real benefit would be in 2020, the last year of his contract. But what is the the guarantee that he is the same player after a 8-10 month recovery.
3. I'll take him missing 80 games each of the next two years if he hit like has this year even while missing time
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Numbers for a guy repeating a year are always suspect. Especially at age 23.
Obviously, there is a huge dearth of catchers in MLB, so I can see why he has some value. But I hope he is not the return
He didnt repeat a year though. He spent most of last year in A+. 200atbats in AA to finish the year last year isnt some massive sample where he shoukd have started AAA this year automatically. The fact that hes now hitting almost exactly 130 two years in a row at two different levels is likely far more telling. Either way I doubt we are getting him.
You guys are arguing over a dude that might not even be in the trade
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Numbers for a guy repeating a year are always suspect. Especially at age 23.
Obviously, there is a huge dearth of catchers in MLB, so I can see why he has some value. But I hope he is not the return
He didnt repeat a year though. He spent most of last year in A+. 200atbats in AA to finish the year last year isnt some massive sample where he shoukd have started AAA this year automatically. The fact that hes now hitting almost exactly 130 two years in a row at two different levels is likely far more telling. Either way I doubt we are getting him.
You guys are arguing over a dude that might not even be in the trade
It's therapeutic.
1. He will likely miss a good junk of next year if he has the surgery.
2. So the real benefit would be in 2020, the last year of his contract. But what is the the guarantee that he is the same player after a 8-10 month recovery.
3. I'll take him missing 80 games each of the next two years if he hit like has this year even while missing time
Why not just get it now? They're not going anywhere this year and if he got it now he could possibly be ready by the end of spring/beginning of next season. Then he could get most if not all of next season healthy.
It doesn't make sense to me to miss a good portion of this year already, play with pain through the rest of a wasted year, and then either miss most of next year if he gets the surgery or play injured again if he doesn't get it. Just chalk this season up as a loss and get ready asap for next.
I think it could be a solid hire. The current Red Sox owe a lot of their success to him and he made a few savvy moves to dump bad contracts he inherited. He also signed a few big free agent busts, but overall, it seemed like he really went out of his way to load up on assets in Boston and it eventually paid dividends there after he left.
Would seemingly be a good get. I'm still hoping that pitcher about to come back from TJS they got from the Yankees is 1 of the pieces. He's 24 and hasn't pitched in 2 years, but seems like a nice lotto ticket.
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Lazaro Armenteros Was held out of his minor league game
Would seemingly be a good get. I'm still hoping that pitcher about to come back from TJS they got from the Yankees is 1 of the pieces. He's 24 and hasn't pitched in 2 years, but seems like a nice lotto ticket.
If I were you I would be very happy with Lazaro Armenteros or Kaprielian. Kaprielian will be on an innings limit next year though but he is a good gamble to take moving forward. They aren't going to get Puk or Luzardo for a rental.
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Lazaro Armenteros Was held out of his minor league game
Would seemingly be a good get. I'm still hoping that pitcher about to come back from TJS they got from the Yankees is 1 of the pieces. He's 24 and hasn't pitched in 2 years, but seems like a nice lotto ticket.
If I were you I would be very happy with Lazaro Armenteros or Kaprielian. Kaprielian will be on an innings limit next year though but he is a good gamble to take moving forward. They aren't going to get Puk or Luzardo for a rental.
I'd be very happy with either one.
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Cespedes says that the cause of his medical issues is calcification in both heels. He says the only way to fix the issue is surgery. Hes considering it for the off-season, but the recovery time is apparently 8-10 months.
lol. So hes playing now, why exactly? Get the surgery now. Not in the off-season. If thats the recovery time. Unreal
It really makes no sense to wait until the off-season. What is gained by waiting and then missing the first few months of next season?
Cespedes is a lost cause as a Met. He will have surgery and take 2 years to recover. Thank goodness we have Bautista this season and a recovered Bruce for next season.
Cespedes and Wright will be off the books the same year right? Might as well sit him out and have idiot media write endless stories about his comeback atrempts too.
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Jeurys Familia doesnt have a uniform at his locker.
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The Red Sox inquired about Familia but the Mets were already engaged in making a deal with Oakland.
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Its down to the medical reviews in the Jeurys Familia #Mets #Athletics trade, according to sources. Once thats done, the deal should sail through.
Mateo played 10 innings last night and the young OF'er got pulled so it seems like he's going to be the good piece. What the 2nd piece is who knows. I'd rather go with the upside so I'd roll the dice on the guy who hasn't pitched in 2 years, but good luck figuring out where he should rank when taking the injuries into account.
Fulmer was absolutely one of our top 5 prospects.
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generally garner one good prospect (1-10 team range). Even when we gave up Fulmer for Cespedes, Fulmer wasnt close to our best prospect. He was more in the 5-10 range. I expect similar and if a second or third piece are added they are likely just upside wild cards.
Fulmer was absolutely one of our top 5 prospects.
On what planet? You do realize mid 2015, Syndergaard, Matz, Conforto, Nimmo were all still prospects, yes?
the Mets are his 4th organization. Yes, the Mets medical team seems like keystone cops, but they're hardly alone if Cespedes' condition was medically detectable and a big deal.
the Mets are his 4th organization. Yes, the Mets medical team seems like keystone cops, but they're hardly alone if Cespedes' condition was medically detectable and a big deal.
But all those organizations got rid of him very quickly. I remember being surprised when Oakland traded him because he was their big foray into the international market. Red Sox had him for about two months. Detroit for about 4 months. Four teams in his first four years.
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has had this condition for 15 years and people are killing the Mets for that.
the Mets are his 4th organization. Yes, the Mets medical team seems like keystone cops, but they're hardly alone if Cespedes' condition was medically detectable and a big deal.
But all those organizations got rid of him very quickly. I remember being surprised when Oakland traded him because he was their big foray into the international market. Red Sox had him for about two months. Detroit for about 4 months. Four teams in his first four years.
Agree, but he still had to pass a physical, my only point is if this condition was so detectable and debilitating one of the other three organizations should have or would have caught it too.
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has had this condition for 15 years and people are killing the Mets for that.
the Mets are his 4th organization. Yes, the Mets medical team seems like keystone cops, but they're hardly alone if Cespedes' condition was medically detectable and a big deal.
But all those organizations got rid of him very quickly. I remember being surprised when Oakland traded him because he was their big foray into the international market. Red Sox had him for about two months. Detroit for about 4 months. Four teams in his first four years.
Agree, but he still had to pass a physical, my only point is if this condition was so detectable and debilitating one of the other three organizations should have or would have caught it too.
Yeah, I don't necessarily blame the Mets for not catching it. Probably hard to detect unless the player specifically complains about the heel, and I'm sure Cespedes was smart enough not to draw attention to it before he had his big contract.
It's just when you have the history with poor doctors/medical like the Mets, the team is going to get blamed when something like this pops. You are your reputation.
Mets doing what they do best and getting rid of guys bc they are the most expensive and best and then signing guys who are second tier to contracts that are above the league market and hyping them as stars
Mateo played 10 innings last night and the young OF'er got pulled so it seems like he's going to be the good piece. What the 2nd piece is who knows. I'd rather go with the upside so I'd roll the dice on the guy who hasn't pitched in 2 years, but good luck figuring out where he should rank when taking the injuries into account.
They do have a deep system but Kaprielian had a setback in his TJS recovery and hasn't thrown a pitch in a game in two years.
Kevin Kernan
@WheresKernan
Just a reminder, asked Ricco about improving Mets defense yesterday a no brainer and he gave a non-answer saying he is one of only 3
2:22 PM - 21 Jul 2018
Kevin Kernan
@WheresKernan
Just a reminder, asked Ricco about improving Mets defense yesterday a no brainer and he gave a non-answer saying he is one of only 3
2:22 PM - 21 Jul 2018
Ask Jeff Wilpon the real GM
Mets doing what they do best and getting rid of guys bc they are the most expensive and best and then signing guys who are second tier to contracts that are above the league market and hyping them as stars
Yup. Mets don't sign or resign the big free agents and then attempt to save face by acquiring a cheaper alternative.
Vince Coleman, Appier, Mo Vaughn, Jay Bruce, Todd Frazier . .. . the list goes on and on . . . the same failed approach again and again
So after they let Degrom go, what brilliant alternative will they sign?
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Mets doing what they do best and getting rid of guys bc they are the most expensive and best and then signing guys who are second tier to contracts that are above the league market and hyping them as stars
Yup. Mets don't sign or resign the big free agents and then attempt to save face by acquiring a cheaper alternative.
Vince Coleman, Appier, Mo Vaughn, Jay Bruce, Todd Frazier . .. . the list goes on and on . . . the same failed approach again and again
So after they let Degrom go, what brilliant alternative will they sign?
Key to winning baseball is developing your homegrown talent, augmented by analytics. Not reliance on free agency.
7/21/18, 3:44 PM
Hearing the As and Mets have finalized a trade. As sending two prospects, plus international slot money, to Mets for Jeurys Familia.
Anthony DiComo (@AnthonyDiComo)
7/21/18, 3:49 PM
Will Toffey, a 23-year-old third baseman and Oakland's 17th-ranked prospect, is one of the two players the Mets are getting in return for Jeurys Familia.
What a crappy return. Sounds like the Mets being unwilling to part with money strikes again.
Looks like a nice player at an area of need for the organization.
7/21/18, 3:53 PM
The other prospect the Mets are getting is Bobby Wahl, according to @Joelsherman1. He's a 26-year-old reliever who throws in the mid-90s, and had a cup of coffee in the big leagues last year.
Looks like a nice player at an area of need for the organization.
Yeah not bad. Just checked that. Plus an upside reliever and IFA money.
Looks like a nice player at an area of need for the organization.
Toffey was hyped coming out of Vandy, but isnt the toolsiest of players so the opinions likely vary widely depending on what you value. When I was looking at As farm system I just knew the Mets would overvalue him with his production in PCL
7/21/18, 3:57 PM
Heard the amount coming to NYM in international dollars is somewhat significant. Could see with Minaya back with big say #Mets pushing harder internationally
Seems like almost a better return for Reed than they got for Familia.