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NFT: Mets on verge of trading Familia

CMicks3110 : 7/20/2018 10:59 pm
imagine deets come out in the next hour stay tuned. Oakland has been the rumored favorite.
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Ive seen that the terms are agreed to  
ZGiants98 : 7/21/2018 12:03 am : link
Pending medicals. I doubt they are still negotiating.
RE: Don't agree Z  
Eric on Li : 7/21/2018 12:04 am : link
In comment 14017466 Vanzetti said:
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Numbers for a guy repeating a year are always suspect. Especially at age 23.

Obviously, there is a huge dearth of catchers in MLB, so I can see why he has some value. But I hope he is not the return


I'd be happy with Murphy, but he doesn't seem particularly exciting. Seems like an overachiever and agree about the repeat success.

I'm glad Oakland seems to have a pretty good system. They got a great return from the Nats last year, so hopefully they can return the favor. Would love to grab that pitcher coming back from TJS and another player.
RE: Don't agree Z  
ZGiants98 : 7/21/2018 12:07 am : link
In comment 14017466 Vanzetti said:
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Numbers for a guy repeating a year are always suspect. Especially at age 23.

Obviously, there is a huge dearth of catchers in MLB, so I can see why he has some value. But I hope he is not the return


He didnt repeat a year though. He spent most of last year in A+. 200atbats in AA to finish the year last year isnt some massive sample where he shoukd have started AAA this year automatically. The fact that hes now hitting almost exactly 130 two years in a row at two different levels is likely far more telling. Either way I doubt we are getting him.
RE: RE: Cespedes news  
Matt M. : 7/21/2018 12:09 am : link
In comment 14017461 Rflairr said:
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Cespedes says that the cause of his medical issues is calcification in both heels. He says the only way to fix the issue is surgery. Hes considering it for the off-season, but the recovery time is apparently 8-10 months.



lol. So hes playing now, why exactly? Get the surgery now. Not in the off-season. If thats the recovery time. Unreal
It really makes no sense to wait until the off-season. What is gained by waiting and then missing the first few months of next season?
I hope Cespedes doesn't have the surgery  
Vanzetti : 7/21/2018 12:17 am : link
Thank about it:

1. He will likely miss a good junk of next year if he has the surgery.

2. So the real benefit would be in 2020, the last year of his contract. But what is the the guarantee that he is the same player after a 8-10 month recovery.

3. I'll take him missing 80 games each of the next two years if he hit like has this year even while missing time
RE: RE: Don't agree Z  
Rflairr : 7/21/2018 12:28 am : link
In comment 14017474 ZGiants98 said:
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In comment 14017466 Vanzetti said:


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Numbers for a guy repeating a year are always suspect. Especially at age 23.

Obviously, there is a huge dearth of catchers in MLB, so I can see why he has some value. But I hope he is not the return



He didnt repeat a year though. He spent most of last year in A+. 200atbats in AA to finish the year last year isnt some massive sample where he shoukd have started AAA this year automatically. The fact that hes now hitting almost exactly 130 two years in a row at two different levels is likely far more telling. Either way I doubt we are getting him.


You guys are arguing over a dude that might not even be in the trade
RE: RE: RE: Don't agree Z  
Vanzetti : 7/21/2018 1:37 am : link
In comment 14017479 Rflairr said:
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In comment 14017474 ZGiants98 said:


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In comment 14017466 Vanzetti said:


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Numbers for a guy repeating a year are always suspect. Especially at age 23.

Obviously, there is a huge dearth of catchers in MLB, so I can see why he has some value. But I hope he is not the return



He didnt repeat a year though. He spent most of last year in A+. 200atbats in AA to finish the year last year isnt some massive sample where he shoukd have started AAA this year automatically. The fact that hes now hitting almost exactly 130 two years in a row at two different levels is likely far more telling. Either way I doubt we are getting him.



You guys are arguing over a dude that might not even be in the trade


It's therapeutic.
Oakland fans are saying  
Rflairr : 7/21/2018 3:39 am : link
Lazaro Armenteros Was held out of his minor league game
RE: I hope Cespedes doesn't have the surgery  
Eman11 : 7/21/2018 9:13 am : link
In comment 14017477 Vanzetti said:
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Thank about it:

1. He will likely miss a good junk of next year if he has the surgery.

2. So the real benefit would be in 2020, the last year of his contract. But what is the the guarantee that he is the same player after a 8-10 month recovery.

3. I'll take him missing 80 games each of the next two years if he hit like has this year even while missing time


Why not just get it now? They're not going anywhere this year and if he got it now he could possibly be ready by the end of spring/beginning of next season. Then he could get most if not all of next season healthy.

It doesn't make sense to me to miss a good portion of this year already, play with pain through the rest of a wasted year, and then either miss most of next year if he gets the surgery or play injured again if he doesn't get it. Just chalk this season up as a loss and get ready asap for next.
Read that the Mets are interested  
Metnut : 7/21/2018 9:55 am : link
in Ben Cherington (former Red Sox GM) as a GM candidate for the Mets.

I think it could be a solid hire. The current Red Sox owe a lot of their success to him and he made a few savvy moves to dump bad contracts he inherited. He also signed a few big free agent busts, but overall, it seemed like he really went out of his way to load up on assets in Boston and it eventually paid dividends there after he left.
RE: Oakland fans are saying  
Eric on Li : 7/21/2018 10:16 am : link
In comment 14017498 Rflairr said:
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Lazaro Armenteros Was held out of his minor league game


Would seemingly be a good get. I'm still hoping that pitcher about to come back from TJS they got from the Yankees is 1 of the pieces. He's 24 and hasn't pitched in 2 years, but seems like a nice lotto ticket.
RE: RE: Oakland fans are saying  
Jay on the Island : 7/21/2018 10:24 am : link
In comment 14017610 Eric on Li said:
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Lazaro Armenteros Was held out of his minor league game



Would seemingly be a good get. I'm still hoping that pitcher about to come back from TJS they got from the Yankees is 1 of the pieces. He's 24 and hasn't pitched in 2 years, but seems like a nice lotto ticket.

If I were you I would be very happy with Lazaro Armenteros or Kaprielian. Kaprielian will be on an innings limit next year though but he is a good gamble to take moving forward. They aren't going to get Puk or Luzardo for a rental.
RE: RE: RE: Oakland fans are saying  
Eric on Li : 7/21/2018 10:27 am : link
In comment 14017616 Jay on the Island said:
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In comment 14017498 Rflairr said:


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Lazaro Armenteros Was held out of his minor league game



Would seemingly be a good get. I'm still hoping that pitcher about to come back from TJS they got from the Yankees is 1 of the pieces. He's 24 and hasn't pitched in 2 years, but seems like a nice lotto ticket.


If I were you I would be very happy with Lazaro Armenteros or Kaprielian. Kaprielian will be on an innings limit next year though but he is a good gamble to take moving forward. They aren't going to get Puk or Luzardo for a rental.


I'd be very happy with either one.
RE: RE: RE: Cespedes news  
spike : 7/21/2018 10:43 am : link
In comment 14017476 Matt M. said:
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In comment 14017461 Rflairr said:


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In comment 14017456 BigBlue4You09 said:


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Cespedes says that the cause of his medical issues is calcification in both heels. He says the only way to fix the issue is surgery. Hes considering it for the off-season, but the recovery time is apparently 8-10 months.



lol. So hes playing now, why exactly? Get the surgery now. Not in the off-season. If thats the recovery time. Unreal

It really makes no sense to wait until the off-season. What is gained by waiting and then missing the first few months of next season?


Cespedes is a lost cause as a Met. He will have surgery and take 2 years to recover. Thank goodness we have Bautista this season and a recovered Bruce for next season.


Armenteros  
Jay on the Island : 7/21/2018 10:43 am : link
would add to an exciting young pool along with Kelenic, Mauricio, and Vientos. Now they are 4-5 years away but it's a fun group to get excited about.
if the delay in announcement is medicals I wonder if Kaprielia is  
Eric on Li : 7/21/2018 11:19 am : link
involved. I'd imagine his medicals are pretty complicated.
Cespedes  
giantsFC : 7/21/2018 11:43 am : link
Ruining the Mets 3 stooges gm chances of trying to sneak him off into a midnight trade deadline deal by spilling the beans lolz!

Cespedes and Wright will be off the books the same year right? Might as well sit him out and have idiot media write endless stories about his comeback atrempts too.
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pjcas18 : 7/21/2018 11:52 am : link
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Tim Healey
‏Verified account @timbhealey
1h1 hour ago

Jeurys Familia doesnt have a uniform at his locker.
.  
ZGiants98 : 7/21/2018 12:05 pm : link
Nick Cafardo
@nickcafardo
The Red Sox inquired about Familia but the Mets were already engaged in making a deal with Oakland.
Man this is dragging on.  
ZGiants98 : 7/21/2018 12:07 pm : link

Jerry Crasnick

@jcrasnick
Its down to the medical reviews in the Jeurys Familia #Mets #Athletics trade, according to sources. Once thats done, the deal should sail through.
Sounds like McNeil is at the stadium  
ZGiants98 : 7/21/2018 12:08 pm : link
Ready to get activated if they can get the deal done before the game but that looks unlikely.
1 Prospect for Familia?  
Samiam : 7/21/2018 12:15 pm : link
Familia is not an all star but a pretty good closer and would probably be a very good set up man for a team that has a closer. From what Im reading here, the offer is one decent prospect who is a few years away from the big leagues. Is that right ? If yes, Im not happy with it. Im
some twitterers said yesterday it was multiple prospects  
Eric on Li : 7/21/2018 12:22 pm : link
and with the medical reviews dragging I'd guess there's a pitcher involved. My guess is the young OF'er and a pitcher.
2 month rentals  
ZGiants98 : 7/21/2018 12:26 pm : link
generally garner one good prospect (1-10 team range). Even when we gave up Fulmer for Cespedes, Fulmer wasnt close to our best prospect. He was more in the 5-10 range. I expect similar and if a second or third piece are added they are likely just upside wild cards.
that's true but the A's seem to have a pretty good system  
Eric on Li : 7/21/2018 12:33 pm : link
the pitcher they got from the Yankees was on Keith Law's preseason top 100 and he's not even mentioned in the top 13 or 14 by the Fangraphs midseason update. Outside of their top 3 or 4 guys there seems to be a lot of mixed opinion on their next 10.

Mateo played 10 innings last night and the young OF'er got pulled so it seems like he's going to be the good piece. What the 2nd piece is who knows. I'd rather go with the upside so I'd roll the dice on the guy who hasn't pitched in 2 years, but good luck figuring out where he should rank when taking the injuries into account.
RE: 2 month rentals  
Metnut : 7/21/2018 12:37 pm : link
In comment 14017737 ZGiants98 said:
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generally garner one good prospect (1-10 team range). Even when we gave up Fulmer for Cespedes, Fulmer wasnt close to our best prospect. He was more in the 5-10 range. I expect similar and if a second or third piece are added they are likely just upside wild cards.


Fulmer was absolutely one of our top 5 prospects.
also I think Beane is making a real smart move trading for Familia  
Eric on Li : 7/21/2018 12:37 pm : link
Treinan is having an unbelievable season, but it's a pretty big outlier for him. Familia would give them a really strong end of game situation.
RE: RE: 2 month rentals  
ZGiants98 : 7/21/2018 12:44 pm : link
In comment 14017746 Metnut said:
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In comment 14017737 ZGiants98 said:


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generally garner one good prospect (1-10 team range). Even when we gave up Fulmer for Cespedes, Fulmer wasnt close to our best prospect. He was more in the 5-10 range. I expect similar and if a second or third piece are added they are likely just upside wild cards.



Fulmer was absolutely one of our top 5 prospects.


On what planet? You do realize mid 2015, Syndergaard, Matz, Conforto, Nimmo were all still prospects, yes?
Not  
Shecky : 7/21/2018 1:01 pm : link
Murphy
Apparently Cespedes  
pjcas18 : 7/21/2018 1:06 pm : link
has had this condition for 15 years and people are killing the Mets for that.

the Mets are his 4th organization. Yes, the Mets medical team seems like keystone cops, but they're hardly alone if Cespedes' condition was medically detectable and a big deal.
RE: Apparently Cespedes  
Vanzetti : 7/21/2018 1:43 pm : link
In comment 14017767 pjcas18 said:
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has had this condition for 15 years and people are killing the Mets for that.

the Mets are his 4th organization. Yes, the Mets medical team seems like keystone cops, but they're hardly alone if Cespedes' condition was medically detectable and a big deal.


But all those organizations got rid of him very quickly. I remember being surprised when Oakland traded him because he was their big foray into the international market. Red Sox had him for about two months. Detroit for about 4 months. Four teams in his first four years.
RE: RE: Apparently Cespedes  
pjcas18 : 7/21/2018 1:47 pm : link
In comment 14017784 Vanzetti said:
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In comment 14017767 pjcas18 said:


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has had this condition for 15 years and people are killing the Mets for that.

the Mets are his 4th organization. Yes, the Mets medical team seems like keystone cops, but they're hardly alone if Cespedes' condition was medically detectable and a big deal.



But all those organizations got rid of him very quickly. I remember being surprised when Oakland traded him because he was their big foray into the international market. Red Sox had him for about two months. Detroit for about 4 months. Four teams in his first four years.


Agree, but he still had to pass a physical, my only point is if this condition was so detectable and debilitating one of the other three organizations should have or would have caught it too.
RE: RE: RE: Apparently Cespedes  
Vanzetti : 7/21/2018 2:13 pm : link
In comment 14017786 pjcas18 said:
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In comment 14017784 Vanzetti said:


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In comment 14017767 pjcas18 said:


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has had this condition for 15 years and people are killing the Mets for that.

the Mets are his 4th organization. Yes, the Mets medical team seems like keystone cops, but they're hardly alone if Cespedes' condition was medically detectable and a big deal.



But all those organizations got rid of him very quickly. I remember being surprised when Oakland traded him because he was their big foray into the international market. Red Sox had him for about two months. Detroit for about 4 months. Four teams in his first four years.



Agree, but he still had to pass a physical, my only point is if this condition was so detectable and debilitating one of the other three organizations should have or would have caught it too.


Yeah, I don't necessarily blame the Mets for not catching it. Probably hard to detect unless the player specifically complains about the heel, and I'm sure Cespedes was smart enough not to draw attention to it before he had his big contract.

It's just when you have the history with poor doctors/medical like the Mets, the team is going to get blamed when something like this pops. You are your reputation.
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giantsFC : 7/21/2018 2:14 pm : link
And then if you know about a degenerative condition that gets worse over time why even offer a 4 year deal???

Mets doing what they do best and getting rid of guys bc they are the most expensive and best and then signing guys who are second tier to contracts that are above the league market and hyping them as stars
RE: that's true but the A's seem to have a pretty good system  
Dunedin81 : 7/21/2018 2:25 pm : link
In comment 14017744 Eric on Li said:
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the pitcher they got from the Yankees was on Keith Law's preseason top 100 and he's not even mentioned in the top 13 or 14 by the Fangraphs midseason update. Outside of their top 3 or 4 guys there seems to be a lot of mixed opinion on their next 10.

Mateo played 10 innings last night and the young OF'er got pulled so it seems like he's going to be the good piece. What the 2nd piece is who knows. I'd rather go with the upside so I'd roll the dice on the guy who hasn't pitched in 2 years, but good luck figuring out where he should rank when taking the injuries into account.


They do have a deep system but Kaprielian had a setback in his TJS recovery and hasn't thrown a pitch in a game in two years.
What a shit show  
pjcas18 : 7/21/2018 2:29 pm : link

Kevin Kernan
‏ @WheresKernan

Just a reminder, asked Ricco about improving Mets defense yesterday a no brainer and he gave a non-answer saying he is one of only 3
2:22 PM - 21 Jul 2018
RE: What a shit show  
spike : 7/21/2018 2:50 pm : link
In comment 14017815 pjcas18 said:
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Kevin Kernan
‏ @WheresKernan

Just a reminder, asked Ricco about improving Mets defense yesterday a no brainer and he gave a non-answer saying he is one of only 3
2:22 PM - 21 Jul 2018


Ask Jeff Wilpon the real GM
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Vanzetti : 7/21/2018 3:29 pm : link
In comment 14017801 giantsFC said:
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Mets doing what they do best and getting rid of guys bc they are the most expensive and best and then signing guys who are second tier to contracts that are above the league market and hyping them as stars


Yup. Mets don't sign or resign the big free agents and then attempt to save face by acquiring a cheaper alternative.

Vince Coleman, Appier, Mo Vaughn, Jay Bruce, Todd Frazier . .. . the list goes on and on . . . the same failed approach again and again


So after they let Degrom go, what brilliant alternative will they sign?
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spike : 7/21/2018 3:30 pm : link
In comment 14017853 Vanzetti said:
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In comment 14017801 giantsFC said:


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Mets doing what they do best and getting rid of guys bc they are the most expensive and best and then signing guys who are second tier to contracts that are above the league market and hyping them as stars



Yup. Mets don't sign or resign the big free agents and then attempt to save face by acquiring a cheaper alternative.

Vince Coleman, Appier, Mo Vaughn, Jay Bruce, Todd Frazier . .. . the list goes on and on . . . the same failed approach again and again


So after they let Degrom go, what brilliant alternative will they sign?


Key to winning baseball is developing your homegrown talent, augmented by analytics. Not reliance on free agency.
Mets getting  
Metnut : 7/21/2018 3:51 pm : link
Will Toffey (OAKs 17th best prospect) a 23 year old 3B for Familia and Bobby Wahl for Familia.
Done deal  
Defenderdawg : 7/21/2018 3:52 pm : link
Jane Lee (@JaneMLB)
7/21/18, 3:44 PM
Hearing the As and Mets have finalized a trade. As sending two prospects, plus international slot money, to Mets for Jeurys Familia.

Anthony DiComo (@AnthonyDiComo)
7/21/18, 3:49 PM
Will Toffey, a 23-year-old third baseman and Oakland's 17th-ranked prospect, is one of the two players the Mets are getting in return for Jeurys Familia.
RE: Mets getting  
Mike in NY : 7/21/2018 3:53 pm : link
In comment 14017880 Metnut said:
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Will Toffey (OAKs 17th best prospect) a 23 year old 3B for Familia and Bobby Wahl for Familia.


What a crappy return. Sounds like the Mets being unwilling to part with money strikes again.
Love that we are getting IFA money but  
ZGiants98 : 7/21/2018 3:54 pm : link
Huh on the prospects?
Fangraphs has Toffey  
Metnut : 7/21/2018 3:54 pm : link
has Oaklands 7th best prospect, so some are higher on him.

Looks like a nice player at an area of need for the organization.
Obligatory reliever  
Defenderdawg : 7/21/2018 3:54 pm : link
Anthony DiComo (@AnthonyDiComo)
7/21/18, 3:53 PM
The other prospect the Mets are getting is Bobby Wahl, according to ⁦‪@Joelsherman1‬⁩. He's a 26-year-old reliever who throws in the mid-90s, and had a cup of coffee in the big leagues last year.
RE: Fangraphs has Toffey  
ZGiants98 : 7/21/2018 3:56 pm : link
In comment 14017888 Metnut said:
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has Oaklands 7th best prospect, so some are higher on him.

Looks like a nice player at an area of need for the organization.


Yeah not bad. Just checked that. Plus an upside reliever and IFA money.
RE: Fangraphs has Toffey  
Mike in NY : 7/21/2018 3:57 pm : link
In comment 14017888 Metnut said:
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has Oaklands 7th best prospect, so some are higher on him.

Looks like a nice player at an area of need for the organization.


Toffey was hyped coming out of Vandy, but isnt the toolsiest of players so the opinions likely vary widely depending on what you value. When I was looking at As farm system I just knew the Mets would overvalue him with his production in PCL
IFA  
Defenderdawg : 7/21/2018 4:00 pm : link
Joel Sherman (@Joelsherman1)
7/21/18, 3:57 PM
Heard the amount coming to NYM in international dollars is somewhat significant. Could see with Minaya back with big say #Mets pushing harder internationally
Wow  
Jay on the Island : 7/21/2018 4:01 pm : link
Sorry but that is a weak return especially after Kaprielian and Armenteros were mentioned.
So good the Mets  
pjcas18 : 7/21/2018 4:02 pm : link
were going to retain salary for better prospects.

Seems like almost a better return for Reed than they got for Familia.

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