Jeesh. They really need to go outside for the next GM. Youre better off just letting him pitch up until the TD to showcase than to get that sorry ass return.
Depending on how much we got it could be huge. Shecky has mentioned numerous times that was big last year when we did this and we followed it up by making big signings this year.
Thompson is viewed as a borderline non-prospect and Toffey is 3 levels behind him as a 23 year old in A+. Yikes. This is the return they ignored the Red Sox call for? This is pathetic.
Depending on how much we got it could be huge. Shecky has mentioned numerous times that was big last year when we did this and we followed it up by making big signings this year.
How is that consistent with the Mets saying they want major league ready prospects?
this franchise is all over the map.
And I'm not so sure 2 top 30 IFA prospects is "making big signings"
Depending on how much we got it could be huge. Shecky has mentioned numerous times that was big last year when we did this and we followed it up by making big signings this year.
Depending on how much we got it could be huge. Shecky has mentioned numerous times that was big last year when we did this and we followed it up by making big signings this year.
How is that consistent with the Mets saying they want major league ready prospects?
this franchise is all over the map.
And I'm not so sure 2 top 30 IFA prospects is "making big signings"
They spent much more money on one player than they ever had before. I dont really know what you are getting at. The reliever has already been in the majors and is having a good year in AAA. The 3B is college bat. How are these guys far away? Further, why do you presume to know what was offered? We didnt see a lot of great returns last years deadline either for any team. And I think the 3 million for Familia is a joke. Just because we didnt eat it doesnt mean the return was messy. What ML team cant take on a measly 3 million bucks in 2018?? Teams are interesting in giving away better returns over 3 million.
One evaluator wonders if the Mets might consider shifting Will Toffey to catcher. A few have suggested he has tool set to do so. Right now hes a third baseman and is seen as a fringe major leaguer.
Depending on how much we got it could be huge. Shecky has mentioned numerous times that was big last year when we did this and we followed it up by making big signings this year.
Pure coincidence it got mentioned yesterday ;)
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Is a BIG boy.
Best trade team made all last year was getting the extra IFA money and using it well.
John Ricco, in a statement: This trade hits three major areas. We got a major league ready reliever our scouts recommended, a position player who was a high selection from the 2017 draft and strong prospect in the As system as well as receiving international bonus pool money."
Omar Minaya, in a statement: "The Mets have been aggressive internationally the last two years. This extra bonus pool money will be extremely helpful in acquiring potential top flight talent."
Or maybe their scouts legitimately liked these players. This return seems better than any of the returns last year.
The money thing is a major stretch though. I seriously doubt ML teams give a crap about saving 3 million dollars. 150 million dollar payrolls are considered light these days. Also, people act like the Granderson and Walker deals never happened last year. Both deals, the Mets sent money the other way.
3B Rio Ruiz and RP Jacob Webb is a much better return. Ruiz is currently in AAA also.
Honest question Jay. Are the Braves giving up a better return over 3 million bucks? (Not saying they couldnt offer a better package overall.. exclusively talking about the ability to take on 3 mil)
RE: RE: I'm annoyed that the Braves didn't go after him for that price
3B Rio Ruiz and RP Jacob Webb is a much better return. Ruiz is currently in AAA also.
Honest question Jay. Are the Braves giving up a better return over 3 million bucks? (Not saying they couldnt offer a better package overall.. exclusively talking about the ability to take on 3 mil)
Atlanta, maybe not but Oakland is a small market team and they might but who really knows. All we can do is speculate. There was just a rumor that they didn't show serious interest because of his remaining salary.
I'm not sure how true that is though as Anthopoulos
If a team is in playoff contention they are going to make that up in increased ticket sales alone. Ridiculous to presume a team would have automatically given up better prospects over 3 mil. Teams arent in the business of being a charity for our farm system.
RE: RE: RE: I'm annoyed that the Braves didn't go after him for that price
3B Rio Ruiz and RP Jacob Webb is a much better return. Ruiz is currently in AAA also.
Honest question Jay. Are the Braves giving up a better return over 3 million bucks? (Not saying they couldnt offer a better package overall.. exclusively talking about the ability to take on 3 mil)
Atlanta, maybe not but Oakland is a small market team and they might but who really knows. All we can do is speculate. There was just a rumor that they didn't show serious interest because of his remaining salary.
Asdrubal Cabrera for Wes Parsons and international money?
RE: RE: RE: RE: I'm annoyed that the Braves didn't go after him for that price
3B Rio Ruiz and RP Jacob Webb is a much better return. Ruiz is currently in AAA also.
Honest question Jay. Are the Braves giving up a better return over 3 million bucks? (Not saying they couldnt offer a better package overall.. exclusively talking about the ability to take on 3 mil)
Atlanta, maybe not but Oakland is a small market team and they might but who really knows. All we can do is speculate. There was just a rumor that they didn't show serious interest because of his remaining salary.
Asdrubal Cabrera for Wes Parsons and international money?
I would say yes as long as Cabrera is willing to play 3B.
Few quick thoughts on #Mets dealing Familia: NYM said would eat $ to get better prospects, but they ate none of $3M-ish left and 2 personnel men were not high on Toffey or Wahl and with so many teams looking for late-inning relief there was surprise that NYM didn't wait
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closer to deadline since this kind of return could have been gotten any time, why not see if teams bid up a package with deadline nearing? Perhaps #Mets had concerns about Familia's health or they did not get as much interest as anticipated and didn't want to risk more innings on
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Famiia's arm. They did like Toffey in draft last yr. He has patience and glove, question if power will come. Wahl has power stuff/elite AAA stats, but team that knew him best didn't call him up based on that, it traded for Familia. My gut is #Mets will say international $ were
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huge in newest plot to upgrade system. Either way there are a lot of issues/questions here and that no #Mets official involved in the trade spoke publicly is a horrific look for this club. Fans want more than a canned quote in a press release from an asst GM. If this is about
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#Mets execs hiding because they were not on same page pre-game on Cespedes, just lump 1 shameful act on another. This is NY. This is the big leagues. If you can't get this right, you really shouldn't be trusted to trade deGrom or Syndergaard. NYM really must clean up this kind of
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shoot themselves behavior. You trade 1 of best releivers in #Mets history and 1 or 2 best that will get moved in this market and don't address your fans thru reporters you are saying something about the competence and functionality of your group.
1. Toffey is only in his second year, so he does not have to be put on the 40 man roster. Draws a lot of walks, which is what Mets look for a la Nimmo. Speculation that Mets plan to convert him to catcher.
2. Wahl is a guy who can pitch in the bullpen for the next six years. Struggles with command but has dominant numbers at AAA. You hope he turns out to be the next Heath Bell but at worst he should be a back of the pen guy, who is solid.
3. International Money is invaluable because this where you can strike it rich because MLB has artificially constricted the market in terms of dollars spent.
So, after some initial disappointment, this was actually a solid trade in very diminished market. Not amazing. But not awful either.
When they ask you about Cespedes don't answer the question, just refer the matter to front office. So easy. Just keep repeating, "You have to talk to the front office about that."
1. Toffey is only in his second year, so he does not have to be put on the 40 man roster. Draws a lot of walks, which is what Mets look for a la Nimmo. Speculation that Mets plan to convert him to catcher.
2. Wahl is a guy who can pitch in the bullpen for the next six years. Struggles with command but has dominant numbers at AAA. You hope he turns out to be the next Heath Bell but at worst he should be a back of the pen guy, who is solid.
3. International Money is invaluable because this where you can strike it rich because MLB has artificially constricted the market in terms of dollars spent.
So, after some initial disappointment, this was actually a solid trade in very diminished market. Not amazing. But not awful either.
Which of the triumvirate are you because that is unadulterated hogwash. The fact is the Mets got less for Familia than Florida got for A.J. Ramos because they were concerned about offloading salary not building the farm system. If a Catcher was the target you make clear to Oakland that Murphy is required in any deal. There was enough interest that they didn't need to consent to trash now
How is that consistent with the Mets saying they want major league ready prospects?
this franchise is all over the map.
And I'm not so sure 2 top 30 IFA prospects is "making big signings"
He's a 23 year old in High A with a .244 batting avg, .384 slugging % and 30% K rate.
Their top prospects are a guy who will not pitch until late 2019 if not 2020 in Groome and a fading prospect who's now a busted PED user (Chavis).
Pure coincidence it got mentioned yesterday ;)
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Best trade team made all last year was getting the extra IFA money and using it well.
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But he went to school. He's a decent prospect.
He's a 23 year old in High A with a .244 batting avg, .384 slugging % and 30% K rate.
I said decent. Walks a good bit, power probably 15-20 if it clicks. Decent 3B. Not elite though.
Source: #Athletics taking all of Familias remaining salary, which is slightly more than $3M.
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Depending on how much we got it could be huge. Shecky has mentioned numerous times that was big last year when we did this and we followed it up by making big signings this year.
How is that consistent with the Mets saying they want major league ready prospects?
this franchise is all over the map.
And I'm not so sure 2 top 30 IFA prospects is "making big signings"
They spent much more money on one player than they ever had before. I dont really know what you are getting at. The reliever has already been in the majors and is having a good year in AAA. The 3B is college bat. How are these guys far away? Further, why do you presume to know what was offered? We didnt see a lot of great returns last years deadline either for any team. And I think the 3 million for Familia is a joke. Just because we didnt eat it doesnt mean the return was messy. What ML team cant take on a measly 3 million bucks in 2018?? Teams are interesting in giving away better returns over 3 million.
One evaluator wonders if the Mets might consider shifting Will Toffey to catcher. A few have suggested he has tool set to do so. Right now hes a third baseman and is seen as a fringe major leaguer.
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Depending on how much we got it could be huge. Shecky has mentioned numerous times that was big last year when we did this and we followed it up by making big signings this year.
Pure coincidence it got mentioned yesterday ;)
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Is a BIG boy.
Best trade team made all last year was getting the extra IFA money and using it well.
Nice. I figured. ;)
Source: #Mets getting $1M in international slot money from #Athletics as part of deal.
Source: #Mets getting $1M in international slot money from #Athletics as part of deal.
Nice. I dont think Rosario was signed for much more than that.
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Source: #Mets getting $1M in international slot money from #Athletics as part of deal.
Nice. I dont think Rosario was signed for much more than that.
Stop it. $1.75M and it was over 6 years ago.
I know you want to always view the positive in every transaction, but this trade is a big bag of shit.
Wonder which guy had a medical issue that held this up...or maybe there was another "prospect" that they were looking at.
This organization sucks.
Source: #Mets getting $1M in international slot money from #Athletics as part of deal.
That's the only significant part of the deal. The "prospects" are non-entities.
If the Mets had that extra one million two years ago, they could have signed Vlad Jr. instead of his cousin Greg (which still cracks me up).
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Nice. I dont think Rosario was signed for much more than that.
Stop it. $1.75M and it was over 6 years ago.
I know you want to always view the positive in every transaction, but this trade is a big bag of shit.
Lol ok.
Other teams that were in on Familia: cubs, Red Sox, indians, dbacks, braves
Man, FTT.
You can't tell me that there wasn't a better deal that could have been out there, especially if they waited another week.
The money thing is a major stretch though. I seriously doubt ML teams give a crap about saving 3 million dollars. 150 million dollar payrolls are considered light these days. Also, people act like the Granderson and Walker deals never happened last year. Both deals, the Mets sent money the other way.
Crap return, as expected.
At this point Im anxious to unload Cabrera and others. Looking forward to seeing McNeil and some of the younger relievers get some burn.
Honest question Jay. Are the Braves giving up a better return over 3 million bucks? (Not saying they couldnt offer a better package overall.. exclusively talking about the ability to take on 3 mil)
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3B Rio Ruiz and RP Jacob Webb is a much better return. Ruiz is currently in AAA also.
Honest question Jay. Are the Braves giving up a better return over 3 million bucks? (Not saying they couldnt offer a better package overall.. exclusively talking about the ability to take on 3 mil)
Atlanta, maybe not but Oakland is a small market team and they might but who really knows. All we can do is speculate. There was just a rumor that they didn't show serious interest because of his remaining salary.
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3B Rio Ruiz and RP Jacob Webb is a much better return. Ruiz is currently in AAA also.
Honest question Jay. Are the Braves giving up a better return over 3 million bucks? (Not saying they couldnt offer a better package overall.. exclusively talking about the ability to take on 3 mil)
Atlanta, maybe not but Oakland is a small market team and they might but who really knows. All we can do is speculate. There was just a rumor that they didn't show serious interest because of his remaining salary.
Asdrubal Cabrera for Wes Parsons and international money?
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3B Rio Ruiz and RP Jacob Webb is a much better return. Ruiz is currently in AAA also.
Honest question Jay. Are the Braves giving up a better return over 3 million bucks? (Not saying they couldnt offer a better package overall.. exclusively talking about the ability to take on 3 mil)
Atlanta, maybe not but Oakland is a small market team and they might but who really knows. All we can do is speculate. There was just a rumor that they didn't show serious interest because of his remaining salary.
Asdrubal Cabrera for Wes Parsons and international money?
I would say yes as long as Cabrera is willing to play 3B.
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Few quick thoughts on #Mets dealing Familia: NYM said would eat $ to get better prospects, but they ate none of $3M-ish left and 2 personnel men were not high on Toffey or Wahl and with so many teams looking for late-inning relief there was surprise that NYM didn't wait
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closer to deadline since this kind of return could have been gotten any time, why not see if teams bid up a package with deadline nearing? Perhaps #Mets had concerns about Familia's health or they did not get as much interest as anticipated and didn't want to risk more innings on
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Famiia's arm. They did like Toffey in draft last yr. He has patience and glove, question if power will come. Wahl has power stuff/elite AAA stats, but team that knew him best didn't call him up based on that, it traded for Familia. My gut is #Mets will say international $ were
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huge in newest plot to upgrade system. Either way there are a lot of issues/questions here and that no #Mets official involved in the trade spoke publicly is a horrific look for this club. Fans want more than a canned quote in a press release from an asst GM. If this is about
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#Mets execs hiding because they were not on same page pre-game on Cespedes, just lump 1 shameful act on another. This is NY. This is the big leagues. If you can't get this right, you really shouldn't be trusted to trade deGrom or Syndergaard. NYM really must clean up this kind of
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shoot themselves behavior. You trade 1 of best releivers in #Mets history and 1 or 2 best that will get moved in this market and don't address your fans thru reporters you are saying something about the competence and functionality of your group.
Dont bet on it
2. Wahl is a guy who can pitch in the bullpen for the next six years. Struggles with command but has dominant numbers at AAA. You hope he turns out to be the next Heath Bell but at worst he should be a back of the pen guy, who is solid.
3. International Money is invaluable because this where you can strike it rich because MLB has artificially constricted the market in terms of dollars spent.
So, after some initial disappointment, this was actually a solid trade in very diminished market. Not amazing. But not awful either.
This guy was so unprepared to be a manager.
2. Wahl is a guy who can pitch in the bullpen for the next six years. Struggles with command but has dominant numbers at AAA. You hope he turns out to be the next Heath Bell but at worst he should be a back of the pen guy, who is solid.
3. International Money is invaluable because this where you can strike it rich because MLB has artificially constricted the market in terms of dollars spent.
So, after some initial disappointment, this was actually a solid trade in very diminished market. Not amazing. But not awful either.
Which of the triumvirate are you because that is unadulterated hogwash. The fact is the Mets got less for Familia than Florida got for A.J. Ramos because they were concerned about offloading salary not building the farm system. If a Catcher was the target you make clear to Oakland that Murphy is required in any deal. There was enough interest that they didn't need to consent to trash now