$15M left owed to Hand after this season isn't necessarily something I'd view as some huge positive.
I never said that it was, I was just pointing out that he has 3 years of control. If he is pitching well over the next 2 1/2 years then that $10 million dollar option is a no brainer. With that said due to the volatility of relievers the chances of him sustaining this level of play is not very good.
RE: Forget Hand - he brought back a unanimous top 30 prospect Â
in baseball over the past 3 seasons. The discrepancy in his years of control is big, but the return he brought back is light years. Mejia is higher ranked prospect right now than Frazier or Torres were when they were traded.
that's my point, even with the term difference left in contract the return is incongruous with the return for Familia.
Forget MLB top prospects, these guys were not even in the A's top 30 prospects, they were organizational fodder. possibly not in the A's top 50 prospects.
And it's not like the A's had a top 10 farm system.
Mets got fleeced, no other way around it.
RE: RE: Forget Hand - he brought back a unanimous top 30 prospect Â
in baseball over the past 3 seasons. The discrepancy in his years of control is big, but the return he brought back is light years. Mejia is higher ranked prospect right now than Frazier or Torres were when they were traded.
that's my point, even with the term difference left in contract the return is incongruous with the return for Familia.
Forget MLB top prospects, these guys were not even in the A's top 30 prospects, they were organizational fodder. possibly not in the A's top 50 prospects.
And it's not like the A's had a top 10 farm system.
Mets got fleeced, no other way around it.
Yup. The only hope is that the fallout is strong enough it pushes the wilponzis to bring in a real GM in the offseason. But I'll believe that when I see it.
I don’t disagree with the conclusion that the Mets did badly here, but you’re under-valuing the Hand contract a decent bit.
If you include the club option, three years remaining for a total of $24M for one of the 3-4 best LH RPs in the game, with closer experience, is a tremendous asset.
At 28 years old, if Hand were hitting the free agent market right now, I suspect he’d get somewhere in the neighborhood of 5 years, $65M.
I don’t disagree with the conclusion that the Mets did badly here, but you’re under-valuing the Hand contract a decent bit.
If you include the club option, three years remaining for a total of $24M for one of the 3-4 best LH RPs in the game, with closer experience, is a tremendous asset.
At 28 years old, if Hand were hitting the free agent market right now, I suspect he’d get somewhere in the neighborhood of 5 years, $65M.
Fair point, Hand has re-invented himself with his slider, but two years ago Hand was DFA'd. And no trade was worked out. he was claimed off waivers by SD - for nothing.
My view of relievers is that they're fungible to an extent, except for the truly elite.
I'd be willing to bet that Familia vs Hand (even with the money each gets - so factor in a new contract for Familia) Familia proves to be the better pitcher the next 5 years.
But Familia is probably looking at 4 years $60M or something in that realm, further highlighting the bargain on Hand.
(Also further highlighting that keeping Familia and making the QO would have been a better option than trading 10 days before the deadline for a bad return...we are most definitely on the same page there).
But Familia is probably looking at 4 years $60M or something in that realm, further highlighting the bargain on Hand.
(Also further highlighting that keeping Familia and making the QO would have been a better option than trading 10 days before the deadline for a bad return...we are most definitely on the same page there).
all fair. And if you accept that discrepancy the return IMO for Hand is STILL incongruous with the return for Familia.
Hand netted the Indians #1 prospect, and a top 5 - top 20 (depending on your source) overall MLB prospect.
Familia got zero top 30 prospects from the A's - let alone MLB top prospects and $1M of INTL pool money (for the record the 30th rated prospect this signing period got $1M - lower rated prospects may also have gotten that much).
I feel like Familia should have netted a better return, or if this was the best offer the Mets should have passed and offered the QO.
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the 3rd year is a team option for $10 million.
$15M left owed to Hand after this season isn't necessarily something I'd view as some huge positive.
I never said that it was, I was just pointing out that he has 3 years of control. If he is pitching well over the next 2 1/2 years then that $10 million dollar option is a no brainer. With that said due to the volatility of relievers the chances of him sustaining this level of play is not very good.
that's my point, even with the term difference left in contract the return is incongruous with the return for Familia.
Forget MLB top prospects, these guys were not even in the A's top 30 prospects, they were organizational fodder. possibly not in the A's top 50 prospects.
And it's not like the A's had a top 10 farm system.
Mets got fleeced, no other way around it.
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in baseball over the past 3 seasons. The discrepancy in his years of control is big, but the return he brought back is light years. Mejia is higher ranked prospect right now than Frazier or Torres were when they were traded.
that's my point, even with the term difference left in contract the return is incongruous with the return for Familia.
Forget MLB top prospects, these guys were not even in the A's top 30 prospects, they were organizational fodder. possibly not in the A's top 50 prospects.
And it's not like the A's had a top 10 farm system.
Mets got fleeced, no other way around it.
Yup. The only hope is that the fallout is strong enough it pushes the wilponzis to bring in a real GM in the offseason. But I'll believe that when I see it.
If you include the club option, three years remaining for a total of $24M for one of the 3-4 best LH RPs in the game, with closer experience, is a tremendous asset.
At 28 years old, if Hand were hitting the free agent market right now, I suspect he’d get somewhere in the neighborhood of 5 years, $65M.
If you include the club option, three years remaining for a total of $24M for one of the 3-4 best LH RPs in the game, with closer experience, is a tremendous asset.
At 28 years old, if Hand were hitting the free agent market right now, I suspect he’d get somewhere in the neighborhood of 5 years, $65M.
Fair point, Hand has re-invented himself with his slider, but two years ago Hand was DFA'd. And no trade was worked out. he was claimed off waivers by SD - for nothing.
My view of relievers is that they're fungible to an extent, except for the truly elite.
I'd be willing to bet that Familia vs Hand (even with the money each gets - so factor in a new contract for Familia) Familia proves to be the better pitcher the next 5 years.
(Also further highlighting that keeping Familia and making the QO would have been a better option than trading 10 days before the deadline for a bad return...we are most definitely on the same page there).
(Also further highlighting that keeping Familia and making the QO would have been a better option than trading 10 days before the deadline for a bad return...we are most definitely on the same page there).
all fair. And if you accept that discrepancy the return IMO for Hand is STILL incongruous with the return for Familia.
Hand netted the Indians #1 prospect, and a top 5 - top 20 (depending on your source) overall MLB prospect.
Familia got zero top 30 prospects from the A's - let alone MLB top prospects and $1M of INTL pool money (for the record the 30th rated prospect this signing period got $1M - lower rated prospects may also have gotten that much).
I feel like Familia should have netted a better return, or if this was the best offer the Mets should have passed and offered the QO.