�Just not as good as his contract.�

Antonio Pierce for sure.

stands out.

excellent

just for 2011 alone..:)

In comment 14017513 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:

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stands out.

I�m trying to exclude QBs, but since you brought up Brees, did he actually sign a big money contract with that uncertain shoulder?

Problem is you often sign a UFA to fill a glaring hole or to create a STRONG unit. So you overpay cause the market makes you do just that.

I like the signing of Nate Solder because we needed an upgrade at LT for Eli to survive and flourish a bit with his weapons. I like Solder because he comes from a winning program (New Englad) and seems like a team player. But he'll never live up to his pay.

There are about a DOZEN Left Tackles better than him as I understand it but he was the top UFA LT and got paid. Good for him and his family.

Let's be honest, Shurmur can cut Vernon, Eli, Jenkins if they don't live up to expectations this off-season and open enough cap space to sign guys that fit his system.

But for now, I'm with you BB'56, not many live up to the pay hype contract.

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Reading us hard

In comment 14017521 Capt. Don said:

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Reading us hard

Don, Signed FROM other teams. Otherwise, not understanding your post

In comment 14017517 SGMen said:

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Problem is you often sign a UFA to fill a glaring hole or to create a STRONG unit. So you overpay cause the market makes you do just that. I like the signing of Nate Solder because we needed an upgrade at LT for Eli to survive and flourish a bit with his weapons. I like Solder because he comes from a winning program (New Englad) and seems like a team player. But he'll never live up to his pay. There are about a DOZEN Left Tackles better than him as I understand it but he was the top UFA LT and got paid. Good for him and his family. Let's be honest, Shurmur can cut Vernon, Eli, Jenkins if they don't live up to expectations this off-season and open enough cap space to sign guys that fit his system. But for now, I'm with you BB'56, not many live up to the pay hype contract.

Sometimes, you have to overpay, because, if you covet a player, the market dictates it. Canty(had a terrific 2011) and Boley were not worth that kind of money, but what some don�t seem to understand, the market DICTATES cost, rarely worth, imv

In comment 14017522 Big Blue '56 said:

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In comment 14017521 Capt. Don said: Quote: Reading us hard Don, Signed FROM other teams. Otherwise, not understanding your post

I was being critical of myself, not you. I misread your post...twice

With that in mind I go back to my original post.

Plax was a good one.

does dictate the cost of the contract, especially when guys like Cooks get get the contract that he gets, which drives up the cost of WR contracts, like OBj's....for those who do not know, Cooks never had more than 9 td's in a season, and last season with Tom Brady as his qb, he had 114 targets with only 65 receptions...

And when it comes to FAcy, when you suck in the draft, you have to go after guys and overpay to fill huge holes.....

We paid OV and JPP money that put them in the top 4 for DE's.....only Watt had a better value contract than OV.....so when you get that kind of money, you better be a game changer....is OV a game changer? NO, just a solid player....that 200M Reese spent, provided One good season.....in retrospect, was it worth it?

not big money but very effective FA signing.

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Mitchell and Madison did NOT receive big FA contracts. That�s the purpose of the thread; how many FAs signed are/were as good as their contract?

In comment 14017532 Big Blue '56 said:

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Mitchell and Madison did NOT receive big FA contracts. That�s the purpose of the thread; how many FAs signed are/were as good as their contract?

Which is exactly what I said �not big money but...�

Antrelle Rolle would be my big money player.

In comment 14017537 UConn4523 said:

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In comment 14017532 Big Blue '56 said: Quote: Mitchell and Madison did NOT receive big FA contracts. That�s the purpose of the thread; how many FAs signed are/were as good as their contract? Which is exactly what I said �not big money but...� Antrelle Rolle would be my big money player.

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In comment 14017516 Big Blue '56 said:

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In comment 14017513 SFGFNCGiantsFan said: Quote: stands out. I�m trying to exclude QBs, but since you brought up Brees, did he actually sign a big money contract with that uncertain shoulder?

BB56, yup. Saban wanted him badly on the 'Fins, but their medical team wasn't on board so Miami went after Culpepper instead.

In comment 14017528 Doomster said:

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does dictate the cost of the contract, especially when guys like Cooks get get the contract that he gets, which drives up the cost of WR contracts, like OBj's....for those who do not know, Cooks never had more than 9 td's in a season, and last season with Tom Brady as his qb, he had 114 targets with only 65 receptions... And when it comes to FAcy, when you suck in the draft, you have to go after guys and overpay to fill huge holes..... We paid OV and JPP money that put them in the top 4 for DE's.....only Watt had a better value contract than OV.....so when you get that kind of money, you better be a game changer....is OV a game changer? NO, just a solid player....that 200M Reese spent, provided One good season.....in retrospect, was it worth it?

I wasn't aware that his contract was over.

I was under the impression he would be with them this season, possibly showing his worth in a defense suited to his skillet.

My bad.

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Sanders to Dallas

As mentioned already Kareem McKenzie, Plaxico Burress, and Antonio Pierce.

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Sanders to Dallas

+1. And maybe even more so before that, in San Francisco.

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As mentioned already Kareem McKenzie, Plaxico Burress, and Antonio Pierce.

O�Hara�s first NYG contract was cheap. His second contract did not turn out well for the team. Doubling (and tripling) down on O�Hara, Snee and Diehl was the �original sin� that led to the line�s rapid deterioration. Defensible at the time, but unfortunate in hindsight.

Steve Hutchinson was another great poison-pill, big-money signing.

...how about Kevin Mawae? Six straight Pro Bowls after NYJ made him the highest-paid center.

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returned Super Bowl to "title town"

One-trick pony, but he was exactly what the Bucs needed.

DRC, Fred Robbins, Kareem McKenzie. McKenzie was an all decade type UFA signing.

RE: Yes, the market
LakeGeorgeGiant : 8:42 am : link : reply
I wasn't aware that his contract was over.

I was under the impression he would be with them this season, possibly showing his worth in a defense suited to his skillet.

My bad.



Yes, I can't wait to see him in coverage downfield....

Next year he is a 19.5M cap hit.....if he plays at the same level, think he is a NY Giant next season, or will he join JPP?

Hutchinson and Mawae are excellent examples..Not sure I�d count Martin as RFA. Wasn�t he acquired bia trade?

Highest paid tackle but we flipped jpps money to solder. To me that�s a great move. Have to overpay to get guys to come to your team unless your a destination like New England or Seattle used to be

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I was thinking of him, but couldn�t remember his name.

DeSean Jackson?

Teams can tear up a contract and kick the player out whenever they want. I don't begrudge players making the most they can especially in the violent game of football.

In comment 14017711 Steve in South Jersey said:

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Teams can tear up a contract and kick the player out whenever they want. I don't begrudge players making the most they can especially in the violent game of football.

I think salaries today are outrageous, but, market is the market. That said, agree, get all you can before CTE et al set in..🙁

Everson Walls signed a two year contract and in 1990 was a fine addition to the secondary and helped us win a Super Bowl. You could add O. J. Anderson to that list for the same reasons.

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Everson Walls signed a two year contract and in 1990 was a fine addition to the secondary and helped us win a Super Bowl. You could add O. J. Anderson to that list for the same reasons.

Except Walls wasn�t expensive which is the point of this thread. Also O.J. Anderson arrived via trade

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at 7:57 a.m.

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Fred Robbins
Snacks
Kareem
AP
O'Hara
Barrow
Plax (gun was really non-football)
Rolle
OV and Jenkins: could go either way but I would say positive so far


Given that the Giants do not sign many big FA, they have done very well.A bigger problem has been resigning our own big FA:

JPP
Snee
Sehorn

All three of these guys had injury problems and Giants signed them anyway. Too loyal?

Where the Giants have done less well is "bargain" free agents. K Mitchell was a good one. But most of the other "lesser" free agents have not turned out well.

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Hutchinson and Mawae are excellent examples..Not sure I�d count Martin as RFA. Wasn�t he acquired via trade?

Pats couldn�t match the Jets� offer sheet, because it contained a ridiculous poison pill. New England appealed to the League for relief, and wound up with two high draft picks as compensation. That whole period of Jets-Patriots history is pretty nutty.

In comment 14017983 Big Blue Blogger said:

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Big Blue '56 said: Quote: Hutchinson and Mawae are excellent examples..Not sure I�d count Martin as RFA. Wasn�t he acquired via trade? Pats couldn�t match the Jets� offer sheet, because it contained a ridiculous poison pill. New England appealed to the League for relief, and wound up with two high draft picks as compensation. That whole period of Jets-Patriots history is pretty nutty.

That sounds familiar. Thank you sir

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Had one great year, most of his other years were ok, but not worth the contract.

In comment 14018071 Coach Red Beaulieu said:

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In comment 14017788 mattlawson said: Quote: . Had one great year, most of his other years were ok, but not worth the contract.

I don�t agree, he certainly had more than 1 good year and he ended up being the leader on defense. He�s was definitely worth it, IMO.

In comment 14017529 UConn4523 said:

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not big money but very effective FA signing.

Second that. Very effective for one season.

that went to another team thats an even harder list hakeem nicks,steve smith,kevin boss,prince amukamara,arron ross all signed fairly big contracts with other teams,also not that big of a contract but you could consider cruz to the bears as well and none of them worked out well elsewhere either

taking a FA is risky you never really know if its a product of the system or the guys around them and all too often its both of those,you also have to factor in the fact thier current team is willing to let them leave as well.

guys like owens and saunders who are equally good wherever they played are extremely rare, deon is the most obvious of these he stood out on every team he played on for alot of years as well mostly its a short spells of a year or 2 in most cases

Did exactly set the world on fire but it did get them over the top.

what about giants fA
msh : 7:00 am : link : reply
that went to another team thats an even harder list hakeem nicks,steve smith,kevin boss,prince amukamara,arron ross all signed fairly big contracts

not did

Aside from one ill-advised pass in overtime, he was as good as a QB has ever been over a two-year span. He was pretty good in Year Three as well, though his arm was clearly failing.

Then again, the premise of the thread was: OTHER THAN QBs...

Linval Joseph was mentioned above, and has certainly earned his big contract. Ed McCaffrey and Visanthe Shiancoe were excellent signings. Bart Oates finished his career with distinction in San Francisco, making two Pro Bowls and winning his third ring. Cornelius Griffin and Barry Cofield were solid for Washington, though I wouldn�t call them major difference-makers.

But it sometimes works out, such as Sanders to Dallas.

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In comment 14017684 Ira said: Quote: . I was thinking of him, but couldn�t remember his name.

I couldn't either. I looked it up. :)