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Britt in VA : 7/24/2018 8:05 am
I've been noticing a trend, not just among celebrities like James Gunn and Roseanne, that social media users have taken upon themselves to photograph and video citizens out in the community that are participating in what they perceive to be racist actions, then posting those photos and videos online via Twitter and other sites and asking users to retweet this person, expose all of their information, and physically attack them, or make it difficult for them to come out in public.

I've noticed people getting really riled up on these threads, eventually finding the information, and posting home addresses, facebook and other social media accounts, phone numbers and places of occupation and asking other users to verbally harass the "perpetrator" with the apparent end game being to ruin his/her life.

I've seen various examples of this, but one recently that comes to mind is the woman in San Francisco that pretended to call the police because an 8 year old girl was selling water bottles. The 8 year old girl's side of the story was that she was just trying to make some money for school supplies or whatever, but the woman's story was that the girl and her sister were outside her window where she works screaming at people all day. Two very different accounts of a situation. Regardless, the lady was destroyed on social media and lost her job as well as her ability to go out in public for awhile probably. Right or wrong, that's just one example.

Curious as to what others think about this practice.
It absolutely concerns me  
jpkmets : 7/24/2018 8:17 am : link
It's a big double-edged sword. I think quite a few of the actors in these videos deserve some scorn and mocking -- and also think it's overall beneficial for people to think twice about some of their behavior. The woman who called the police on a BBQ in a Oakland park (in a zone that was delineated for BBQ's, for example) really went above and beyond the call of being a jerk (in the construction most charitable to her) and earned a good mocking.

However, it seems like none of these cases end up as just being a quickly-forgotten mocking. The moves that you point out -- doxxing people, demanding that their lives be destroyed without any attempt to try and seek a complete understanding of the events, and the inevitable escalation to online death threats is so spooky.

I don't know what the answer is here. People hurl death threats online all the time here -- for perceived "bad behavior" or for acting in The Last Jedi. Maybe the answer is stripping away the anonymity from social media platforms like Twitter. But, I understand that there are problems with that as well.

It's absolutely concerning, though. Really shocked at how quickly people sink to the bottom.
And theres that  
UESBLUE : 7/24/2018 8:35 am : link
fb pg in all the news about parents behaving badly at their kids games.. Im of two minds on this. While some ppl DO deserve to be called out, we now have a legion of Bernie Goetz style SJWs online ruining ppls lives.
Its a concern  
mattlawson : 7/24/2018 8:41 am : link
The baseball dude at the cubs game. Look at all the people who came to his defense. Even the cubs tweeted out about it. Its ridiculous - over a damn baseball in the stands.

The racist guy at the pool from a few weeks ago that lost his job at sonoco. He may be an asshole we were only shown 1/2 of the story.

Now this is all in the wake of the metoo movement and were not completely done with the fallout there yet. More to come Im sure.

Religion hasnt seemed to work to deliver heaven on earth, maybe social media will!
Good book on the subject.  
Jim in Fairfax : 7/24/2018 8:42 am : link
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Its very concerning  
UConn4523 : 7/24/2018 8:47 am : link
so much so that you are wise to basically keep to yourself in public even if youd want to get involved in something you perceive as harmless.

I mind my own business as much as much as possible.
Good  
SicilianGMEN : 7/24/2018 8:49 am : link
The bigots and racists are being outted, its a good thing for society....These people should be shamed forever
Just last week..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 7/24/2018 9:01 am : link
in our town, a person checking out at a grocery store took video of the cashier checking a text as she was ringing up the order. Posted it on social media as well as the grocery store's social media site and said the only recourse was to fire the cashier.

They did, canning a 17 year old on a Summer job.

Well done white knight!!

It is fucking ridiculous. Not just the posting, but that companies don't tell those morons posting things to go pound sand.

A couple years ago, a woman in my neighborhood went on social media ranting how her son was being bullied, being called hurtful names, and was being physically abused by peers. While my wife and I were talking about it, my kids said it was the exact opposite way around. The kid was constantly hitting others on the bus, calling them names and starting trouble. In fact, the reason the woman went on social media was because her son was kicked off the football team for using a racial slur and he gave her a bogus story.

Her rant went viral, so since I have contacts in the schools, I dug for the facts and wrote a column in the local paper about how her claim was complete BS and gave a specific account of what transpired. Unfortunately, there isn't often a rebuttal and people only see and react to one side of a story.

By the way - the kid who was supposedly bullied ended up getting a football scholarship to Virginia Tech, where he was dismissed from the team his freshman year for - wait for it - using a racial slur
RE: Just last week..  
njm : 7/24/2018 9:17 am : link
In comment 14020052 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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in our town, a person checking out at a grocery store took video of the cashier checking a text as she was ringing up the order. Posted it on social media as well as the grocery store's social media site and said the only recourse was to fire the cashier.

They did, canning a 17 year old on a Summer job.

Well done white knight!!

It is fucking ridiculous. Not just the posting, but that companies don't tell those morons posting things to go pound sand.

A couple years ago, a woman in my neighborhood went on social media ranting how her son was being bullied, being called hurtful names, and was being physically abused by peers. While my wife and I were talking about it, my kids said it was the exact opposite way around. The kid was constantly hitting others on the bus, calling them names and starting trouble. In fact, the reason the woman went on social media was because her son was kicked off the football team for using a racial slur and he gave her a bogus story.

Her rant went viral, so since I have contacts in the schools, I dug for the facts and wrote a column in the local paper about how her claim was complete BS and gave a specific account of what transpired. Unfortunately, there isn't often a rebuttal and people only see and react to one side of a story.

By the way - the kid who was supposedly bullied ended up getting a football scholarship to Virginia Tech, where he was dismissed from the team his freshman year for - wait for it - using a racial slur



But, but, but these people should be shamed forever!!!
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christian : 7/24/2018 9:19 am : link
Public shaming and mob mentality are as old as humanity. In some ways social media makes it more efficient with easier tools and a sense of anonymity. But those same tools also help shine a light on great injustice and injury.

Short of regulating speech there's no easy solution -- one good way to contribute change is to ask yourself; are my contributions in the public square rooted in honesty, civility, fact, a desire to learn, a willingness to change my mind and listen? A good collective injection of decency would be a wonderful start.
RE: Good  
njm : 7/24/2018 9:19 am : link
In comment 14020046 SicilianGMEN said:
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The bigots and racists are being outted, its a good thing for society....These people should be shamed forever


I wonder what the folks who were erroneously identified on line as the probable Boston Marathon Bombers think about that.
RE: Good  
Britt in VA : 7/24/2018 9:21 am : link
In comment 14020046 SicilianGMEN said:
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The bigots and racists are being outted, its a good thing for society....These people should be shamed forever


What about the people that might not be racists and bigots? Like the lady in San Francisco? Do you think it's possible that she might have just have been a normal person having a bad day, and had an 8 year old kid screaming outside her bedroom window for hours on end, and wasn't racist but just had a noise complaint? Is that reasonable to believe her? She didn't even call the cops. She just pretended to. Is that something you could see yourself possibly doing in her shoes? What if it had nothing to do with the kid being black but rather just the fact that she was being loud outside her window all day while she was trying to work?

Is that unreasonable behavior that should cost her everything (She was a CEO in San Francisco who lost her job).
RE: Good  
UConn4523 : 7/24/2018 9:22 am : link
In comment 14020046 SicilianGMEN said:
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The bigots and racists are being outted, its a good thing for society....These people should be shamed forever


So much stupid in such a small post. Well done.
RE: ...  
njm : 7/24/2018 9:23 am : link
In comment 14020063 christian said:
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Public shaming and mob mentality are as old as humanity. In some ways social media makes it more efficient with easier tools and a sense of anonymity. But those same tools also help shine a light on great injustice and injury.

Short of regulating speech there's no easy solution -- one good way to contribute change is to ask yourself; are my contributions in the public square rooted in honesty, civility, fact, a desire to learn, a willingness to change my mind and listen? A good collective injection of decency would be a wonderful start.


Those tools can also cause damage, emotional, financial and even physical, to innocent people by the guilty hiding behind anonymity.
RE: Good  
widmerseyebrow : 7/24/2018 9:24 am : link
In comment 14020046 SicilianGMEN said:
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The bigots and racists are being outted, its a good thing for society....These people should be shamed forever


The problem is there is no due process. All you need to do is accuse someone of being a bigot with flimsy or manufactured evidence and the mob gets riled up. Just recently that waiter admitted he was the one who wrote the racist message on that receipt he posted online, not the customer.



Throughout history..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 7/24/2018 9:25 am : link
however, the times great injustices have been brought to the forefront are certainly dwarfed by the public shaming of innocents:

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Public shaming and mob mentality are as old as humanity. In some ways social media makes it more efficient with easier tools and a sense of anonymity. But those same tools also help shine a light on great injustice and injury.


We don't need to go deep into the crucifixion of Jesus Christ, but you can point to the slew of women, minorities and people of a certain sexual persuasion who weren't just publicly shamed, but often killed from a false accusation. Petty squabbles led to hangings. The Salem Witch Hunt.

Basically, very little good comes from public shaming, especially in modernized countries with efficient police forces.
but see this is my thing...  
GMAN4LIFE : 7/24/2018 9:27 am : link
James Gunn said this shit a lonnnnngggg time ago. He apologized for it a long time ago and it was done. This guy digs it up and quite frankly anyone could. He gets fired.

So now lets see this for what it is. He made some stupid sarcastic jokes on twitter but he did it repeatedly. Kind of weird but fine. He also hates a certain someone who alot of hollywood doesnt care about. (he will remain nameless but important)

Now if he was extremely vocal in favor about this certain someone, no one would be defending him. NO ONE.

So I look at it like this, shut up everyone. Stay away from twitter. Honestly, it isnt worth it
RE: RE: Good  
njm : 7/24/2018 9:27 am : link
In comment 14020071 widmerseyebrow said:
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In comment 14020046 SicilianGMEN said:


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The bigots and racists are being outted, its a good thing for society....These people should be shamed forever



The problem is there is no due process. All you need to do is accuse someone of being a bigot with flimsy or manufactured evidence and the mob gets riled up. Just recently that waiter admitted he was the one who wrote the racist message on that receipt he posted online, not the customer.




And the actual facts will never receive the attention that the false accusation did.
Or, on an unrelated to racism note....  
Britt in VA : 7/24/2018 9:28 am : link
how about that whole Plane Saga last week? Some couple decided to document (unbeknownst to the people they were documenting) a supposed budding romance between two plane passengers that were sitting next to each other. The created this whole narrative of a love story and documented with photos and their conversation in real time as it was happening.

Ultimately, the online social mob figured out their identities by cross referencing flight charts and seats and whatever other shit they do, and identified these people.

What if there was no romance, but it was just a made up narrative by this bored couple. Imagine being the boyfriend of that girl and seeing all that. What if she was in an abusive relationship and her boyfriend beat the shit out of her talking to another man when she got home. I know that's a bunch of what if's, but it's no more crazy than creating a completely fictional love story as a bystander.
Social media is not reality.  
Britt in VA : 7/24/2018 9:32 am : link
It is manipulated reality of what the person posting wants you to see.

In simple terms, like my wife's facebook posts. She'll spend 10 minutes trying to get the perfect picture of my children who are being awful at the time, hitting each other, crying, not doing what they are supposed to... She'll take 20 pictures and capture the perfect moment, and then post that one. And I'm thinking to myself, that's not how that really went down.
RE: but see this is my thing...  
UConn4523 : 7/24/2018 9:32 am : link
In comment 14020076 GMAN4LIFE said:
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James Gunn said this shit a lonnnnngggg time ago. He apologized for it a long time ago and it was done. This guy digs it up and quite frankly anyone could. He gets fired.

So now lets see this for what it is. He made some stupid sarcastic jokes on twitter but he did it repeatedly. Kind of weird but fine. He also hates a certain someone who alot of hollywood doesnt care about. (he will remain nameless but important)

Now if he was extremely vocal in favor about this certain someone, no one would be defending him. NO ONE.

So I look at it like this, shut up everyone. Stay away from twitter. Honestly, it isnt worth it


His job is making movies for kids. I still dont see why people are surprised about it or think it isnt justified. Hes slandering his employers audience, jokes or not. Hes bad for business, at the very least.
Let's not make this thread about Gunn....  
Britt in VA : 7/24/2018 9:33 am : link
There's a whole other thread for that. This is bigger picture.
It's called doxing  
pjcas18 : 7/24/2018 9:34 am : link
(the act of documenting online the personal information about people you have perceived to be morally wrong)

and it's not just private citizens or racist activities.

I mentioned this in another thread. There was this guy at a Cubs game over the weekend where a player threw a ball to a kid in the crowd, the ball went under the kids seat to a row behind him and a man picks up the ball and keeps it.

Video of this made it to twitter and the mob justice ensued. It was shared, rewteeted, liked and commented on by millions of people. Comments were like "let's make this guy famous", "what a pig" "have we identified this SOB yet" and even some political comments and I have no idea from the video how anyone knew anything about the man's politics.

the comments were actually embarrassing, you could feel the outrage coming through the screen. People wanted to kill this man. Or realistically have him fired, beaten, and publicly shamed.

The Cubs did give the kid an autographed ball b/c of all the attention and they showed him walking out of the stadium with two balls.

Anyway the Cubs got wind of the story and after they went to the section then the story changed. Apparently this man got a ball earlier in the game and gave it to the kid and he had been helping other kids in the section get balls from the players all game. Many people that were sitting in that section stuck up for the guy.

USA today ran with it....

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USA TODAY Sports
‏Verified account @usatodaysports
Jul 22

The Cubs made things right after an adult fan shamelessly stole a baseball from a kid.




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David Kaplan
‏Verified account @thekapman

I spoke with people from the Cubs. The man who grabbed the ball on the widely seen video had actually already helped the little boy get a ball earlier. The young man has a game used ball and a Javy Baez ball. All is well. Guy is A-OK so let it go people.


and deadspin encapsulated the mob mentality well in the linkbeow.

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Pervaiz Shallwani
‏Verified account @Pervaizistan
23h23 hours ago

"The clip...was long enough to infuriate, short enough to strip context." Essentially the internet today: https://deadspin.com/sounds-like-everyone-should-lay-off-that-cubs-fan-who-1827798042?utm_medium=sharefromsite&utm_source=Deadspin_twitter



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That's a great example.  
Britt in VA : 7/24/2018 9:36 am : link
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RE: That's a great example.  
pjcas18 : 7/24/2018 9:38 am : link
In comment 14020087 Britt in VA said:
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And it's small in comparison to some other out of context activities. How many people do you think saw the USA today story and all the others about the "horrific act" this man committed?

I say in the millions.

How many do you think saw the retraction or corrections?

my guess is in the thousands.
RE: Throughout history..  
christian : 7/24/2018 9:39 am : link
In comment 14020073 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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however, the times great injustices have been brought to the forefront are certainly dwarfed by the public shaming of innocents:



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Public shaming and mob mentality are as old as humanity. In some ways social media makes it more efficient with easier tools and a sense of anonymity. But those same tools also help shine a light on great injustice and injury.



We don't need to go deep into the crucifixion of Jesus Christ, but you can point to the slew of women, minorities and people of a certain sexual persuasion who weren't just publicly shamed, but often killed from a false accusation. Petty squabbles led to hangings. The Salem Witch Hunt.

Basically, very little good comes from public shaming, especially in modernized countries with efficient police forces.


I'm not advocating the efficacy of public shaming.

I'm saying the tools that allow it - social media, open public dialogue, a free market place of ideas etc. are the bedrock of change and progress.

Short of limiting speech, which I presume no one wants, change will have to come from the intent and practices of individuals.
It is indeed...  
Chris in Philly : 7/24/2018 9:40 am : link
a double edged sword as there are a staggering number of these things that actually do capture racists being racists. People calling the cops because a black person is at their pool or using an expired coupon or calling for help when some white trash douche is telling someone from Puerto Rico to get out of the country is not something we should be seeing in this day and age...
It wasn't just..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 7/24/2018 9:41 am : link
the USA Today. The NBC Charlotte affiliate ran the video and the anchors actually commented about how selfish the man was.
Agreed....  
Britt in VA : 7/24/2018 9:41 am : link
Here's a dude that by all accounts was being a great guy in the stands, and he gets called out for the complete opposite and thousands of people online set out to destroy his life. For what?

And it's a completely fictional account of what happened! That's not how it happened. Perfect example of what I'm talking about.
RE: It wasn't just..  
pjcas18 : 7/24/2018 9:42 am : link
In comment 14020094 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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the USA Today. The NBC Charlotte affiliate ran the video and the anchors actually commented about how selfish the man was.


Agree, I saw that story from almost every baseball beat writer and national publication. with the gif image playable.

RE: It is indeed...  
pjcas18 : 7/24/2018 9:43 am : link
In comment 14020092 Chris in Philly said:
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a double edged sword as there are a staggering number of these things that actually do capture racists being racists. People calling the cops because a black person is at their pool or using an expired coupon or calling for help when some white trash douche is telling someone from Puerto Rico to get out of the country is not something we should be seeing in this day and age...


We are in agreement on this one.

In some cases exposure can be good and warranted, but you almost only ever get one side in cases like we're seeing.
RE: It is indeed...  
Britt in VA : 7/24/2018 9:44 am : link
In comment 14020092 Chris in Philly said:
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a double edged sword as there are a staggering number of these things that actually do capture racists being racists. People calling the cops because a black person is at their pool or using an expired coupon or calling for help when some white trash douche is telling someone from Puerto Rico to get out of the country is not something we should be seeing in this day and age...


I agree with this. But isn't creating a false narrative based on small snippets of video almost the same as what they say they are trying to counteract? Even if they are still catching some bad guys? Almost like police planting evidence on victims? Would that be an acceptable analogy of what doing that is like?
Schiano  
TyreeHelmet : 7/24/2018 9:45 am : link
What about that twitter outrage when UT hired him?

RE: Social media is not reality.  
Chef : 7/24/2018 9:55 am : link
In comment 14020080 Britt in VA said:
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It is manipulated reality of what the person posting wants you to see.

In simple terms, like my wife's facebook posts. She'll spend 10 minutes trying to get the perfect picture of my children who are being awful at the time, hitting each other, crying, not doing what they are supposed to... She'll take 20 pictures and capture the perfect moment, and then post that one. And I'm thinking to myself, that's not how that really went down.


This right here...
Actually  
charlito : 7/24/2018 10:00 am : link
She did call the cops . video posted.

Another issue is she sells Marijuana while the little girl sells water. There are also thousands of black people doing life for possessing, selling Marijuana just to add (3 strikes law)
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What scares me is the loss of context over time  
jcn56 : 7/24/2018 10:00 am : link
I don't do any social media at all. I've advised my kids to stay away from it as well. It just seems as if it's all downside, with little upside, the worst being that someone can dig deep through years worth of posts/texts and pull out something in standalone manner and make you look bad.

I do a lot of work with analytics, and lately a lot of sentiment analysis, looking at text and deriving an overall sentiment. There are background check tools that can look at everything someone's ever done online, and quickly pull together an overall score of that individual - and that score is used to determine whether or not they should be hired.

In testing one of them, I ran the tool against a colleague of mine (he was aware of this). He's one of the nicest guys I know - and the tool branded him a racist. Why? Because digging back into tweets he made in HS, he went through a 'I'm white and from CT but I think I'm an inner city rapper' phase, and there was some gratuitous use of the n-word.

If the tool were in place before he was hired, he wouldn't have gotten the job. All for some stupid but harmless posts made when he was 16 years old.

I think there's validity to what christian posted - these are tools, and it's not exactly their fault that people are using them wrong. The problem is people aren't likely going to change, and this is just going to make their behavior worse. Unless as a society we step back from these mass shamings, I'm afraid we've only seen the start of the destruction caused by social media.
RE: Actually  
Britt in VA : 7/24/2018 10:06 am : link
In comment 14020119 charlito said:
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She did call the cops . video posted.

Another issue is she sells Marijuana while the little girl sells water. There are also thousands of black people doing life for possessing, selling Marijuana just to add (3 strikes law) Link - ( New Window )


Okay, so she actually placed the call. But even still, is that racist? Or equal to somebody having a bad day and going too far with a noise complaint?

Secondly, didn't she sell medical Canibus Oil for dogs? Is that the same as what you're saying everybody is imprisoned for?
RE: RE: Actually  
charlito : 7/24/2018 10:22 am : link
In comment 14020129 Britt in VA said:
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In comment 14020119 charlito said:


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She did call the cops . video posted.

Another issue is she sells Marijuana while the little girl sells water. There are also thousands of black people doing life for possessing, selling Marijuana just to add (3 strikes law) Link - ( New Window )



Okay, so she actually placed the call. But even still, is that racist? Or equal to somebody having a bad day and going too far with a noise complaint?

Secondly, didn't she sell medical Canibus Oil for dogs? Is that the same as what you're saying everybody is imprisoned for?




All I did was give you a point of view of black people.

I also could of thrown out how many white kids have gotten the cops called on them for selling water. How many white people gotten the cops called on them for trying to use a coupon at a store, using the wrong grill etc. What's going to happen this week

When you start editing tape and only providing snipets of things  
PatersonPlank : 7/24/2018 10:24 am : link
I bet you can make almost anyone like however you want. Just post the part that fits your narrative and skip the parts that don't. This is what is happening. How many times have you seen someone slammed, and then the full video (or longer video) posted and it starts to make sense?
RE: RE: RE: Actually  
Britt in VA : 7/24/2018 10:26 am : link
In comment 14020165 charlito said:
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In comment 14020129 Britt in VA said:


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In comment 14020119 charlito said:


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She did call the cops . video posted.

Another issue is she sells Marijuana while the little girl sells water. There are also thousands of black people doing life for possessing, selling Marijuana just to add (3 strikes law) Link - ( New Window )



Okay, so she actually placed the call. But even still, is that racist? Or equal to somebody having a bad day and going too far with a noise complaint?

Secondly, didn't she sell medical Canibus Oil for dogs? Is that the same as what you're saying everybody is imprisoned for?





All I did was give you a point of view of black people.

I also could of thrown out how many white kids have gotten the cops called on them for selling water. How many white people gotten the cops called on them for trying to use a coupon at a store, using the wrong grill etc. What's going to happen this week


She said it ultimately boiled down to a noise complaint. The thing about selling water without a permit was stupid, and the act of somebody overreacting. But what ultimately started it was a noise complaint. I think plenty of white people have had the cops called on them for noise complaints. I know I have.

I don't see the comparison between being the CEO of a company that sells medical cannibus oil to canines and people being imprisoned for selling weed.
holding racists  
Les in TO : 7/24/2018 10:27 am : link
to account is one thing. if you protest at a white nationalist rally shouting jews will not replace us you deserve any loss of employment or relationships that follow.

inciting violence against them or posting non public or health information about them is obviously taking it too far.

my concern is that as deepfake videos become more prevalent and sophisticated, there are going to be more innocent people who get unjustly swept into these mob reactions.
But again, I don't want to make this about one person, or one instance  
Britt in VA : 7/24/2018 10:27 am : link
I want to talk about the whole thing.
RE: holding racists  
Britt in VA : 7/24/2018 10:28 am : link
In comment 14020172 Les in TO said:
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to account is one thing. if you protest at a white nationalist rally shouting jews will not replace us you deserve any loss of employment or relationships that follow.

inciting violence against them or posting non public or health information about them is obviously taking it too far.

my concern is that as deepfake videos become more prevalent and sophisticated, there are going to be more innocent people who get unjustly swept into these mob reactions.


Agreed.
What..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 7/24/2018 10:30 am : link
is the pertinence of this?

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I also could of thrown out how many white kids have gotten the cops called on them for selling water. How many white people gotten the cops called on them for trying to use a coupon at a store, using the wrong grill etc. What's going to happen this week


when I was a kid, one neighbor used to call the cops on us for playing stickball in the street. Or if a ball went into her yard she'd call for a trespassing complaint. When I lived in an apartment, neighbors used to file complaints on certain units for noise violations every weekend.

That's more about being a shitty neighbor than the color of their skin.
refusing to serve a cop and throwing people  
gtt350 : 7/24/2018 10:32 am : link
out of restaurants is beyond what I have seen in my lifetime
RE: RE: RE: Actually  
njm : 7/24/2018 10:33 am : link
In comment 14020165 charlito said:
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In comment 14020119 charlito said:


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She did call the cops . video posted.

Another issue is she sells Marijuana while the little girl sells water. There are also thousands of black people doing life for possessing, selling Marijuana just to add (3 strikes law) Link - ( New Window )



Okay, so she actually placed the call. But even still, is that racist? Or equal to somebody having a bad day and going too far with a noise complaint?

Secondly, didn't she sell medical Canibus Oil for dogs? Is that the same as what you're saying everybody is imprisoned for?





All I did was give you a point of view of black people.

I also could of thrown out how many white kids have gotten the cops called on them for selling water. How many white people gotten the cops called on them for trying to use a coupon at a store, using the wrong grill etc. What's going to happen this week



I'm not sure about water, but white kids are having the police called on them for selling lemonade. Apparently they haven't navigated the local bureaucracy and gotten the multiple permits required. Check out yesterday's WSJ for an article on it. The have a picture of the perpetrators, white kids age 7 and 4.
The Cubs guy thing  
bluepepper : 7/24/2018 10:33 am : link
was doubly stupid because so what if he got the ball instead of the kid. Them's the breaks. The kid got to sit in the front row of a game at Wrigley. Almost got a ball. That's a pretty nice day. When I was a kid I would've been telling that story for days maybe years. Good times not bad.



drifting off-topic  
pjcas18 : 7/24/2018 10:36 am : link
slightly, there are numerous stories of people calling the police on kids operating lemonade stands. Many standard were set up 100% for charitable purposes.

no race distinction, there are stories out there if people care to find them (some publicized more than others) of kids of all races having the police called on them for illegally operating a lemonade stand and the police having to shut it down.

People are assholes. that's not something that has happened since social media.

but, in a good use of social media, Country Time got wind of some of these stands being shut down because of asshole people and said show them proof you were shut down and they will pay any fines.

RE: drifting off-topic  
pjcas18 : 7/24/2018 10:37 am : link
In comment 14020186 pjcas18 said:
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slightly, there are numerous stories of people calling the police on kids operating lemonade stands. Many standard were set up 100% for charitable purposes.

no race distinction, there are stories out there if people care to find them (some publicized more than others) of kids of all races having the police called on them for illegally operating a lemonade stand and the police having to shut it down.

People are assholes. that's not something that has happened since social media.

but, in a good use of social media, Country Time got wind of some of these stands being shut down because of asshole people and said show them proof you were shut down and they will pay any fines.


*stands* not standard
The "noise complaint"  
montanagiant : 7/24/2018 10:39 am : link
Was her second or third different excuse for calling the cops. Keep in mind this was not a situation where the girl was parked out there day and night pitching water. This occurred right outside the Baseball stadium in SF during working hours after the game was done to the crowd exiting the stadium. So this was maybe a 1-2 hour occurrence during working hours after a baseball game in a major city with thousands of people exiting a game and making noise also.

Add to that the fact she lied about not making an actual call to the police and you have someone who's not being honest about her reasons for doing what she did
RE: When you start editing tape and only providing snipets of things  
Vanzetti : 7/24/2018 10:44 am : link
In comment 14020168 PatersonPlank said:
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I bet you can make almost anyone like however you want. Just post the part that fits your narrative and skip the parts that don't. This is what is happening. How many times have you seen someone slammed, and then the full video (or longer video) posted and it starts to make sense?


Exactly. You never know what came before. I have also seen people purposely instigate with their phones ready
RE: RE: RE: RE: Actually  
charlito : 7/24/2018 10:45 am : link
In comment 14020171 Britt in VA said:
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She did call the cops . video posted.

Another issue is she sells Marijuana while the little girl sells water. There are also thousands of black people doing life for possessing, selling Marijuana just to add (3 strikes law) Link - ( New Window )



Okay, so she actually placed the call. But even still, is that racist? Or equal to somebody having a bad day and going too far with a noise complaint?

Secondly, didn't she sell medical Canibus Oil for dogs? Is that the same as what you're saying everybody is imprisoned for?





All I did was give you a point of view of black people.

I also could of thrown out how many white kids have gotten the cops called on them for selling water. How many white people gotten the cops called on them for trying to use a coupon at a store, using the wrong grill etc. What's going to happen this week




She said it ultimately boiled down to a noise complaint. The thing about selling water without a permit was stupid, and the act of somebody overreacting. But what ultimately started it was a noise complaint. I think plenty of white people have had the cops called on them for noise complaints. I know I have.

I don't see the comparison between being the CEO of a company that sells medical cannibus oil to canines and people being imprisoned for selling weed.



Coupon Carl video


I agree she just overreacted. but I posed questions to whether white people go through the same thing.(wrong grill,coupon, hard foul on the basketball court etc.). I'm thinking these headlines are fake, but are true. Smh.
Link - ( New Window )
RE: The  
Britt in VA : 7/24/2018 10:47 am : link
In comment 14020194 montanagiant said:
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Was her second or third different excuse for calling the cops. Keep in mind this was not a situation where the girl was parked out there day and night pitching water. This occurred right outside the Baseball stadium in SF during working hours after the game was done to the crowd exiting the stadium. So this was maybe a 1-2 hour occurrence during working hours after a baseball game in a major city with thousands of people exiting a game and making noise also.

Add to that the fact she lied about not making an actual call to the police and you have someone who's not being honest about her reasons for doing what she did


Okay... All I'm saying is that the destruction of this woman's life doesn't fit the "crime". The girl was selling water to buy a trip to Disneyland.

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Ettel told the Huffington Post that she acted because Rodgers and her mother were screaming, but that after watching the video she feels "horrible and heart-wrenched." She also said, "I completely regret that I handled that so poorly. It was completely stress-related, and I should have never confronted her. That was a mistake, a complete mistake."

Austin denies screaming, and says the situation should have never escalated to calling the police.

"Let kids be kids," Austin said. "If they're not hurting anybody, who cares?"

Austin's daughter says she does plan to keep on selling water.

As for the trip to Disneyland, musician Jonathan Brannon saw the story and has already paid for Rodgers and three of her family members to go whenever they'd like.


The woman has her life ruined, and the girl gets a free trip for her family to Disneyland. Happy ending I guess.

Link - ( New Window )
I think the Cubs guy issue  
montanagiant : 7/24/2018 10:48 am : link
Got blown up more than it ever should of due to the viral clip of that lady stealing the ball from a little girl at an Astros game a few years back.

But I will say that while Cubs guy was wrongly trashed that same medium that stirred up the anger towards him also worked to correct the situation. The thing that amazes me about it is the majority of those on Twitter who posted about this dogging the guy don't seem to acknowledge to well that the guy was wrongly vilified over it AFTER the facts came out.
Ball tossed to little girl gets taken by woman - ( New Window )
It's gotten out of hand  
AcesUp : 7/24/2018 10:49 am : link
And we're veering towards dangerous territory where people are afraid to express opinions that skew anywhere outside the social consensus. That line is getting more and more rigid as well.

The biggest issue I have with it is that I don't think a good chunk of these people that actively participate in these social media mobs have these genuine principled value. I think they're getting off on the virtue high of calling somebody else a horrible person. They're feeding off the validation of ganging up on another person in a group. It's not really about social justice but about tapping into a pretty ugly pathology that's present in all of us.
Just stop using Facebook, you won't miss it.  
DonQuixote : 7/24/2018 10:50 am : link
They are just monetizing your information, and what do you really get for it? If it's so damn important to give up all that so you can take prurient interest in some former HS wannabe friends, by all means, have at it.

"Social media" is neither. These platforms are manipulative, addictive, and are harming society. I recommend the documentary, "Terms and Conditions May Apply"

[and get off my lawn]
RE: It's gotten out of hand  
Britt in VA : 7/24/2018 10:50 am : link
In comment 14020215 AcesUp said:
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And we're veering towards dangerous territory where people are afraid to express opinions that skew anywhere outside the social consensus. That line is getting more and more rigid as well.

The biggest issue I have with it is that I don't think a good chunk of these people that actively participate in these social media mobs have these genuine principled value. I think they're getting off on the virtue high of calling somebody else a horrible person. They're feeding off the validation of ganging up on another person in a group. It's not really about social justice but about tapping into a pretty ugly pathology that's present in all of us.


Great point, and closer to what I'm getting at overall.
RE: RE: The  
montanagiant : 7/24/2018 10:53 am : link
In comment 14020209 Britt in VA said:
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Was her second or third different excuse for calling the cops. Keep in mind this was not a situation where the girl was parked out there day and night pitching water. This occurred right outside the Baseball stadium in SF during working hours after the game was done to the crowd exiting the stadium. So this was maybe a 1-2 hour occurrence during working hours after a baseball game in a major city with thousands of people exiting a game and making noise also.

Add to that the fact she lied about not making an actual call to the police and you have someone who's not being honest about her reasons for doing what she did



Okay... All I'm saying is that the destruction of this woman's life doesn't fit the "crime". The girl was selling water to buy a trip to Disneyland.



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Ettel told the Huffington Post that she acted because Rodgers and her mother were screaming, but that after watching the video she feels "horrible and heart-wrenched." She also said, "I completely regret that I handled that so poorly. It was completely stress-related, and I should have never confronted her. That was a mistake, a complete mistake."

Austin denies screaming, and says the situation should have never escalated to calling the police.

"Let kids be kids," Austin said. "If they're not hurting anybody, who cares?"

Austin's daughter says she does plan to keep on selling water.

As for the trip to Disneyland, musician Jonathan Brannon saw the story and has already paid for Rodgers and three of her family members to go whenever they'd like.



The woman has her life ruined, and the girl gets a free trip for her family to Disneyland. Happy ending I guess. Link - ( New Window )

Absolutely it did not fit the crime. But I think the way she handled this when it blew up contributed greatly to her resigning from the CEO position of her own company.

The optics of a woman who started her own successful company calling the cops on a little girl trying to make money selling water was a big factor also
and one more point - this is a country of 250M people  
PatersonPlank : 7/24/2018 10:54 am : link
I'm sure someone can find things everyday to support whatever narrative they want. Now with social media it becomes nationwide instantly. Even if 99% of the people are acting perfectly, find that 1% and post it to show America sucks.
We've all had our bad moments of stress and overreaction.  
Britt in VA : 7/24/2018 10:54 am : link
I guess we should be thankful that cameras weren't present.
RE: I think the Cubs guy issue  
pjcas18 : 7/24/2018 10:54 am : link
In comment 14020210 montanagiant said:
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Got blown up more than it ever should of due to the viral clip of that lady stealing the ball from a little girl at an Astros game a few years back.

But I will say that while Cubs guy was wrongly trashed that same medium that stirred up the anger towards him also worked to correct the situation. The thing that amazes me about it is the majority of those on Twitter who posted about this dogging the guy don't seem to acknowledge to well that the guy was wrongly vilified over it AFTER the facts came out. Ball tossed to little girl gets taken by woman - ( New Window )


I read somewhere that confirmation bias will lead you to shun facts, but once presented irrefutable facts most people will relent their position.

But you're right, when you read that story, people stick to their guns. And I read a lot of the initial tweets and threads about that story and so many political comments. How the F did that story have any political lean to it?

even after this link, people still were convinced this man was evil and deserved to have his life ruined.

what we're dealing with now on social media is like when a microbe becomes immune to the vaccine and mutates into a new form and resists the vaccines thriving and snowballing into something bigger with no known antidote.

The Cubs guy...  
Chris in Philly : 7/24/2018 10:55 am : link
also got overblown because there are so many examples of douchebags stealing balls from kids like the douchebags that they are. I could probably post 40 videos of just that.

This guy got a raw deal, but the people around him, the Cubs, deadspin and other media outlets, all came out relatively quickly to make amends.

The bottom line is that people of color have lived for years with being followed in stores, or having people cross the street away from them, or waiting to be served, or being passed by an open taxi. And now that's not good enough for some people in this country. Now they feel emboldened to say out loud what they used to keep to themselves. To actually tell people of color how they feel instead of just griping to their racist friends. It is a very alarming trend...
And nobody I know is cool with that.  
Britt in VA : 7/24/2018 10:57 am : link
This is about collateral damage, and social media being judge, jury, and executioner with lightening fast speed.
RE: Just stop using Facebook, you won't miss it.  
Vanzetti : 7/24/2018 11:01 am : link
In comment 14020217 DonQuixote said:
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They are just monetizing your information, and what do you really get for it? If it's so damn important to give up all that so you can take prurient interest in some former HS wannabe friends, by all means, have at it.

"Social media" is neither. These platforms are manipulative, addictive, and are harming society. I recommend the documentary, "Terms and Conditions May Apply"

[and get off my lawn]


I keep my FB page up because people use it to invite you to parties and other events but I have not posted anything for two years just because of what people are saying on this tread.

Unfortunately, it is not enough to stay off social media. You have to monitor and make sure false info is not floating around about you.

And as someone who worked in personnel for many years, I strongly recommend that you do not let anyone take a picture of you when you are out drinking or partying.
RE: Just stop using Facebook, you won't miss it.  
montanagiant : 7/24/2018 11:02 am : link
In comment 14020217 DonQuixote said:
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They are just monetizing your information, and what do you really get for it? If it's so damn important to give up all that so you can take prurient interest in some former HS wannabe friends, by all means, have at it.

"Social media" is neither. These platforms are manipulative, addictive, and are harming society. I recommend the documentary, "Terms and Conditions May Apply"

[and get off my lawn]


I'm at a point with FB where I might look at it every couple days to check up on friends and relatives but even then you still run into the toxic political shit on there. It's become something that younger kids and older people use but has lost a huge sector of the 20-40-year-olds demographic with what it has morphed into.

Both my kids and their friends rarely use it at all at this point
RE: We've all had our bad moments of stress and overreaction.  
montanagiant : 7/24/2018 11:04 am : link
In comment 14020228 Britt in VA said:
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I guess we should be thankful that cameras weren't present.

There is no question about that. I thank God there was no social media during my younger years
RE: The Cubs guy...  
montanagiant : 7/24/2018 11:04 am : link
In comment 14020230 Chris in Philly said:
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also got overblown because there are so many examples of douchebags stealing balls from kids like the douchebags that they are. I could probably post 40 videos of just that.

This guy got a raw deal, but the people around him, the Cubs, deadspin and other media outlets, all came out relatively quickly to make amends.

The bottom line is that people of color have lived for years with being followed in stores, or having people cross the street away from them, or waiting to be served, or being passed by an open taxi. And now that's not good enough for some people in this country. Now they feel emboldened to say out loud what they used to keep to themselves. To actually tell people of color how they feel instead of just griping to their racist friends. It is a very alarming trend...

Yup
Not to get off topic...  
FatMan in Charlotte : 7/24/2018 11:07 am : link
but riffing off what CiP said. I've really been into a Podcast called "The Dollop" that takes a historical story and turns it into a comedy routine. They did a piece on Major Taylor - a black cyclist at the turn of the 1900's.

The shit that guy had to deal with really makes you see how depraved race relations were.

Here's his wikipedia page:
Major Taylor - ( New Window )
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Actually  
njm : 7/24/2018 11:16 am : link
In comment 14020205 charlito said:
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Coupon Carl video


I agree she just overreacted. but I posed questions to whether white people go through the same thing.(wrong grill,coupon, hard foul on the basketball court etc.). I'm thinking these headlines are fake, but are true. Smh. Link - ( New Window )



I can't link the WSJ article cited in my 10:33 post because it's a pay website. But to answer your question YES, white people go through the same thing.
FWIW  
DC Gmen Fan : 7/24/2018 11:42 am : link
I was a huge Facebook user. I deleted the app from my phone my last trip and realized I didn't miss it.

I then deactivated my account for 14 days. Then I finally submitted for deletion of account.

It actually feels good. Like taking a bunch of old crap in the house to the dump or to Goodwill. Yeah I'll lose touch with some people but the people I truly want to stay in contact with will be worth the effort to do so.
It's been said many times, but it's true.  
Mike in Long Beach : 7/24/2018 11:48 am : link
Our ability to manage, cope with, and responsibly use technology is not keeping up with our ability to create it.
RE: Not to get off topic...  
Beezer : 7/24/2018 12:42 pm : link
In comment 14020250 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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but riffing off what CiP said. I've really been into a Podcast called "The Dollop" that takes a historical story and turns it into a comedy routine. They did a piece on Major Taylor - a black cyclist at the turn of the 1900's.

The shit that guy had to deal with really makes you see how depraved race relations were.

Here's his wikipedia page: Major Taylor - ( New Window )


Sidebar: Little-known BeezFact - I lived about 2-3 miles from the Major Taylor Velodrome on the West Side of Indy in the early '90s. Back then I was quite into cycling (not good, mind you, just into it - I lived with and hung out with some buddies who were actually good). More than a few times while out on a ride, we'd swing past the velodrome, ride inside and put in some laps. Not easy, due to the insane angle. But it was cool (we thought). Much different type of cycling than we were doing.

OK ... back to the thread.
Ironically..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 7/24/2018 12:45 pm : link
Taylor was driven out of Indy by racist cyclists who refused to enter contests he was part of. Then they got the sanctioning body to not recognize any times posted by blacks.

I never knew Indiana's past, but a few stories I've come across recently make it out to be one of the most racists places out there in the early 1900's.
Mob mentality has always been around..  
Sean : 7/24/2018 12:51 pm : link
Look at Steve Bartman, an entire stadium pounded him.

We are all way too plugged in. I removed the twitter app from my phone after finding myself constantly hitting the refresh button throughout the day. I dont need it & I need to be deliberate in my use. This goes for everyone.
RE: Ironically..  
Chris in Philly : 7/24/2018 12:59 pm : link
In comment 14020399 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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Taylor was driven out of Indy by racist cyclists who refused to enter contests he was part of. Then they got the sanctioning body to not recognize any times posted by blacks.

I never knew Indiana's past, but a few stories I've come across recently make it out to be one of the most racists places out there in the early 1900's.


You don't have to go back to the early 1900's...
RE: Ironically..  
Beezer : 7/24/2018 1:00 pm : link
In comment 14020399 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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Taylor was driven out of Indy by racist cyclists who refused to enter contests he was part of. Then they got the sanctioning body to not recognize any times posted by blacks.

I never knew Indiana's past, but a few stories I've come across recently make it out to be one of the most racists places out there in the early 1900's.


When I was sports editor at the Columbus Republic, again, in the early 1990s, there were two high schools in the city of Columbus, Indiana (North and East high schools). They played in a league with Martinsville High School, and there were no black kids at Martinsville. The town (also known as the birth place of John Wooden, ironically) was (may still be?) also known as an origin for the KKK.

When the Columbus North and East teams played Martinsville, at any of the venues, they beefed up security significantly (a fair amount of diversity in the Columbus area).

I wrote a column that appeared Friday morning one of those years, basically saying what a travesty it was that in 1992-93 or whichever it was, there was a need for the extra security for a high school football game. Around 6 p.m. a voice message was left on the editor's phone with a death threat for me. lol SO CLOSE! (The editor didn't get the message until Sunday when he came in to do his weekend clean-up/review.

Columbus/Martinsville/Indy formed a triangle, each one separated by roughly 40-50 miles.

Haven't been back for a long time. Can only hope it's better. Curious to know what Martinsville, Indiana, is like in 2018.

+++

Another thing I saw in my 7 years in the Midwest ... as a member of the media I attended a KKK rally at the town gazebo in Jeffersonville, Indiana (across the border from Louisville) ... had never seen anything like that. Some amazing things, my favorite being the reporter from the U of Louisville black student newspaper who seemed to take great pride in making the KKK members very uncomfortable with some straight-ahead questions.

Jesus..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 7/24/2018 1:06 pm : link
that's terrible.

Think about how this would play out today. In several races that Taylor was in, riders would intentionally crash him. Once, he was 300 yards from winning and a bystander ran out and threw a bucket of ice water on him,. knocking him off the bike, causing him to come in 10th place. Once, he won a race and was choked out by the 2nd place rider. While Taylor recouperated in a hospital for a week, the rider was given a $50 fine (which was less than his 2nd place finish) and no suspension.

He was ruled to have finished 2nd in several sprint races he won as the stewards would claim he didn't finish first.

I know I go apeshit about things in sporting competitions that aren't fair, but it is really hard for me to comprehend our society was so backward towards people due to race.
Nice reminder about race relations...  
BamaBlue : 7/24/2018 1:18 pm : link
as much as we recognize there is a lot of work still to be done to crush bigotry and racism, much has been accomplished. The glass can be viewed as half-empty or half-full depending on how you want to view it.

I think we can be thankful to live in a much better place today and despite the current issues with social media, we seem to be moving in the right direction.
Not a fan of either political party  
Steve in South Jersey : 7/24/2018 1:25 pm : link
but this new practice of urging people seek out and accost public servants when they are seen restaurants, movie theaters, or any public place because of disagreement on their views is disheartening. It used to be that we could disagree without imposing on someone's personal life. This seems to tie into a mob mentality.
RE: RE: It's gotten out of hand  
Mr. Nickels : 7/24/2018 1:30 pm : link
In comment 14020218 Britt in VA said:
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And we're veering towards dangerous territory where people are afraid to express opinions that skew anywhere outside the social consensus. That line is getting more and more rigid as well.

The biggest issue I have with it is that I don't think a good chunk of these people that actively participate in these social media mobs have these genuine principled value. I think they're getting off on the virtue high of calling somebody else a horrible person. They're feeding off the validation of ganging up on another person in a group. It's not really about social justice but about tapping into a pretty ugly pathology that's present in all of us.



Great point, and closer to what I'm getting at overall.


This is the core value of the vast majority of those SJWers who seek to "out the 'bigots and racists". They don't care at all about the actual race, religion, creed, ethnic group or sexual orientation. All they care about is that high of sweet virtue signaling and they will defend it by posting some stupid meme about how it is a pejorative for this "little thing called having empathy (said smugly while closing their eyes and sniffing their own smell)"
RE: Nice reminder about race relations...  
Mr. Bungle : 7/24/2018 1:32 pm : link
In comment 14020443 BamaBlue said:
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The glass can be viewed as half-empty or half-full depending on how you want to view it.

Equality is a full glass and only a full glass.

And the perspective of the minority group members is the one that really matters. If they don't feel equal, they aren't equal. And that's not good enough.
Fats, same time frame, a friend of mine, Yolanda,  
Beezer : 7/24/2018 1:32 pm : link
worked with me in the Columbus newsroom as a municipal/schools reporter. She's a black woman (now living/working in Indy). One night after deadline we got on a similar subject as this. He Dad was from Alabama. She said a few years before (so, likely late 1980s) her family visited aunts, uncles and cousins down in 'Bama. They stopped at a rest stop in a somewhat rural location. Yolanda was stunned as a college-age woman to see segregated restrooms (black/white). Again, we're talking close to 1990. Yolanda, being a progress young woman, declared to her Dad that she was going inside to give the people working there a piece of her mind. She said her Dad demanded she "get her ass in the car." She did, and they drove away.

It's obvious that some events that take place should be exposed  
steve in ky : 7/24/2018 1:33 pm : link
to some degree. The problem is to what degree and who determines where the lines are when crossed that should be exposed.

The problem is that it usually comes down to subjectivity and how each individual views an incident for whether or not they feel public "shaming" is warranted or not.

I tend to lean towards this mob mentality of purposely attempting to ruin others lives is generally the wrong approach. Especially when the only information is a small sample video of someones worst moment subjectively edited by some random schlub with access to a phone.
RE: RE: RE: It's gotten out of hand  
Chris in Philly : 7/24/2018 1:33 pm : link
In comment 14020460 Mr. Nickels said:
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And we're veering towards dangerous territory where people are afraid to express opinions that skew anywhere outside the social consensus. That line is getting more and more rigid as well.

The biggest issue I have with it is that I don't think a good chunk of these people that actively participate in these social media mobs have these genuine principled value. I think they're getting off on the virtue high of calling somebody else a horrible person. They're feeding off the validation of ganging up on another person in a group. It's not really about social justice but about tapping into a pretty ugly pathology that's present in all of us.



Great point, and closer to what I'm getting at overall.



This is the core value of the vast majority of those SJWers who seek to "out the 'bigots and racists". They don't care at all about the actual race, religion, creed, ethnic group or sexual orientation. All they care about is that high of sweet virtue signaling and they will defend it by posting some stupid meme about how it is a pejorative for this "little thing called having empathy (said smugly while closing their eyes and sniffing their own smell)"


Yeah, except for many of these things it is the person of color being harrassed or insulted that is recording it. These are not at all cases of SJWers doing anything, and they most assuredly care about their actual race, religion, creed, ethnic group or sexual orientation...
RE: RE: RE: It's gotten out of hand  
njm : 7/24/2018 1:34 pm : link
In comment 14020460 Mr. Nickels said:
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In comment 14020218 Britt in VA said:


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In comment 14020215 AcesUp said:


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And we're veering towards dangerous territory where people are afraid to express opinions that skew anywhere outside the social consensus. That line is getting more and more rigid as well.

The biggest issue I have with it is that I don't think a good chunk of these people that actively participate in these social media mobs have these genuine principled value. I think they're getting off on the virtue high of calling somebody else a horrible person. They're feeding off the validation of ganging up on another person in a group. It's not really about social justice but about tapping into a pretty ugly pathology that's present in all of us.



Great point, and closer to what I'm getting at overall.



This is the core value of the vast majority of those SJWers who seek to "out the 'bigots and racists". They don't care at all about the actual race, religion, creed, ethnic group or sexual orientation. All they care about is that high of sweet virtue signaling and they will defend it by posting some stupid meme about how it is a pejorative for this "little thing called having empathy (said smugly while closing their eyes and sniffing their own smell)"


Don't limit it to one side or point of view. That problem is pervasive throughout all segments of social media.
RE: Not a fan of either political party  
charlito : 7/24/2018 1:36 pm : link
In comment 14020454 Steve in South Jersey said:
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but this new practice of urging people seek out and accost public servants when they are seen restaurants, movie theaters, or any public place because of disagreement on their views is disheartening. It used to be that we could disagree without imposing on someone's personal life. This seems to tie into a mob mentality.




Agree 100% with your comment. Sometimes I feel like I'm the only one not loyal to a political party. Restaurants are crossing the line when they refused to serve base on political views.
RE: RE: RE: RE: It's gotten out of hand  
Mr. Nickels : 7/24/2018 1:40 pm : link
In comment 14020468 njm said:
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And we're veering towards dangerous territory where people are afraid to express opinions that skew anywhere outside the social consensus. That line is getting more and more rigid as well.

The biggest issue I have with it is that I don't think a good chunk of these people that actively participate in these social media mobs have these genuine principled value. I think they're getting off on the virtue high of calling somebody else a horrible person. They're feeding off the validation of ganging up on another person in a group. It's not really about social justice but about tapping into a pretty ugly pathology that's present in all of us.



Great point, and closer to what I'm getting at overall.



This is the core value of the vast majority of those SJWers who seek to "out the 'bigots and racists". They don't care at all about the actual race, religion, creed, ethnic group or sexual orientation. All they care about is that high of sweet virtue signaling and they will defend it by posting some stupid meme about how it is a pejorative for this "little thing called having empathy (said smugly while closing their eyes and sniffing their own smell)"



Don't limit it to one side or point of view. That problem is pervasive throughout all segments of social media.


Agreed.
RE: RE: Not a fan of either political party  
section125 : 7/24/2018 1:45 pm : link
In comment 14020470 charlito said:
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In comment 14020454 Steve in South Jersey said:


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but this new practice of urging people seek out and accost public servants when they are seen restaurants, movie theaters, or any public place because of disagreement on their views is disheartening. It used to be that we could disagree without imposing on someone's personal life. This seems to tie into a mob mentality.





Agree 100% with your comment. Sometimes I feel like I'm the only one not loyal to a political party. Restaurants are crossing the line when they refused to serve base on political views.


Come election day, we can all safely voice our opinions on public officials, at the polls. 10% turnouts are disgusting. Lot to be said about, "Don't blame me, I voted for (whomever)."
Accosting public officials at non-official events or locations is just wrong. And it leads to retaliation...
Accosting public officials in this way  
steve in ky : 7/24/2018 1:48 pm : link
is a cowardly bullying tactic.
What's most ironic..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 7/24/2018 1:52 pm : link
about the restaurant and public shaming of officials is it is exactly the type of behavior one party supposedly abhorred and wouldn't stand for when it happened to minorities.

But doing it to Sarah Sanders Huckabee is applauded by some of those same people.

So hypocritical. Any political retribution is because it undoubtedly goes against some stance taken in the past.
People dont realize  
DC Gmen Fan : 7/24/2018 2:02 pm : link
generally the more you badger someone about their beliefs the more they become entrenched in them.
Social media caused the death of civil discourse  
Knineteen : 7/24/2018 2:05 pm : link
Nearly impossible to debate via social media.

Far easier to post one-liner tweets and rile-up the masses.

Try going to the comments section on Reddit immediately after a police shooting. You'd think the entire country was against police.
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christian : 7/24/2018 2:48 pm : link
I think it's dangerous and ultimately fuels and self-fulfills when the stance is "people can't actually feel this way."

It's not surprising when countered with that take many double-down. Getting told *how* you feel is a pretty good way to trigger a strong reactio.

I know when I'm told "there's no way you actually think ..." -- it usually comes off more "you're so wrong that I won't even consider your right to feel differently than me."
Beezer...  
BamaBlue : 7/24/2018 2:59 pm : link
I'd be very skeptical of the details your friends provided about their experience in driving through Alabama. Of course I can't debate what they said that saw, but I can tell you that I didn't just drive to some 'fairly rural places', I lived in them before and after they claim to have seen segregation signs.

I first came to Alabama in 1982 to attend Army Flight training. This was so far south that when thunderstorms came, the locals boarded up the windows, because they thought Sherman was returning. I came back to another location in North Alabama for an assignment from 1992-1996, and then I moved to Alabama permanently when I retired from the Army in 2003. There were instances of racism and some very bigoted behavior, but that was not something that was considered acceptable at any time. Certainly no posted racial boundaries... Different story when I lived in Fayetteville, NC. I drove through the outskirts of a small town on a short-cut to Myrtle Beach and hit a slow down from people turning off the road under a banner for the "White Patriot Party Picnic"... that was not Alabama.

At no time in my frequent habitation and travels during this period did I EVER see segregated anything signs in Alabama. The only signs regarding color said, "No Colors", which is intended to keep gangs (and gang colors) out. Could this be what your friends interpreted?
RE: Just last week..  
BigBlueDownTheShore : 7/24/2018 3:02 pm : link
In comment 14020052 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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By the way - the kid who was supposedly bullied ended up getting a football scholarship to Virginia Tech, where he was dismissed from the team his freshman year for - wait for it - using a racial slur


Who was the player? As a VT fan, this is the first I have heard of it, or it wasn't disclosed
RE: Beezer...  
Beezer : 7/24/2018 4:21 pm : link
In comment 14020563 BamaBlue said:
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I'd be very skeptical of the details your friends provided about their experience in driving through Alabama. Of course I can't debate what they said that saw, but I can tell you that I didn't just drive to some 'fairly rural places', I lived in them before and after they claim to have seen segregation signs.

I first came to Alabama in 1982 to attend Army Flight training. This was so far south that when thunderstorms came, the locals boarded up the windows, because they thought Sherman was returning. I came back to another location in North Alabama for an assignment from 1992-1996, and then I moved to Alabama permanently when I retired from the Army in 2003. There were instances of racism and some very bigoted behavior, but that was not something that was considered acceptable at any time. Certainly no posted racial boundaries... Different story when I lived in Fayetteville, NC. I drove through the outskirts of a small town on a short-cut to Myrtle Beach and hit a slow down from people turning off the road under a banner for the "White Patriot Party Picnic"... that was not Alabama.

At no time in my frequent habitation and travels during this period did I EVER see segregated anything signs in Alabama. The only signs regarding color said, "No Colors", which is intended to keep gangs (and gang colors) out. Could this be what your friends interpreted?


Not sure. But that wasn't the conversation we were having.

It was a long time ago, but I'm still connected with her through Facebook. I'll see if I can get her to refresh my memory. I could have details wrong. I'll see what I get back.
Heard back.  
Beezer : 7/25/2018 11:24 am : link
My mistake. They were in Mississippi. She was in middle school, and it was either 1983 or 1984, she said.
Thanks for checking Beez...  
BamaBlue : 7/25/2018 11:37 am : link
I know there are stupid people everywhere, but it hits home most when it's in your backyard.

I mentioned earlier in this thread that the tolerance for bigotry and racism has declined. While there is work to be done, there has been steady progress since the days of the civil rights movement. It's a good way to trend and hopefully it continues in Mississippi and other places...
There is a big problem with recreational outrage on social media.  
NyquistX3 : 7/25/2018 12:45 pm : link
Some people actively look for things to get upset about and jump to conclusions before all the facts are in.
RE: There is a big problem with recreational outrage on social media.  
JOrthman : 7/25/2018 6:34 pm : link
In comment 14021651 NyquistX3 said:
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Some people actively look for things to get upset about and jump to conclusions before all the facts are in.


cough cough BBI BBI
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