http://www.espn.com/espn/now?nowId=21-41025388-4
This may provide some clarity on the Sam Darnold standoff: While the offset clause remains an issue, the major sticking point, as I understand it, is default language pertaining to guaranteed money. Under the Jets' proposal, Darnold's entire guarantee will void if he's fined by the league for discipline or conduct on/off the field. This is different from the Baker Mayfield and Josh Allen contracts. In their cases, their guarantee voids with a suspension, not a fine. Big difference. The Jets' approach is unusual based on recent history. It's believed that, in the last 10 drafts, no top-3 pick had voidables tied to league fines. This may sound petty, but Darnold has a $30 million guarantee over the life of the proposed contract.
Rich Cimini, ESPN Staff Writer
Who in their right mind would even consider signing this deal if these are the facts?
because it's the Jets
There were rumors that the Jets wanted Mayfield and "settled" for Darnold. I also believe that the Jets have too many QBs and are trying to flip a guy like Bridgewater. In order to do that then they need to be able to justify giving their other QBs reps. I know this sounds like a conspiracy but we are talking about the Jets here. One, why would the Jets out of nowhere decide to make up something so ridiculous that has never been done before with top picks and allow their franchise QB to be missing valuable reps, meetings, etc.? Two, what other way would they be able to showcase another QB if they wanted to flip one?
They are not fucking this up because they wanted Mayfield or because they want to "showcase" other QBs early in camp. That is just made up BS and completely ridiculous..
They are fucking this up because they are the Jets.
Does Darnaud have character issues?
Darnold should tell the Jets to go fuck themselves.
Does Darnaud have character issues?
Ask the Mets...
My problem with this might be just agents doing what is in their best interest and not their client. If Darnold actually thinks he could be cut and wants the opportunity to double-dip, then he must not be that confident in his ability to lock-down the position without having to look over his shoulder.
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and indeed the face of your franchise why the f would you nickel and dime him? Sign him, get him in camp, get him ready to be your QB. Stop worrying about what if he's a bust or a dickhead who you have to cut in 3 years.
There were rumors that the Jets wanted Mayfield and "settled" for Darnold. I also believe that the Jets have too many QBs and are trying to flip a guy like Bridgewater. In order to do that then they need to be able to justify giving their other QBs reps. I know this sounds like a conspiracy but we are talking about the Jets here. One, why would the Jets out of nowhere decide to make up something so ridiculous that has never been done before with top picks and allow their franchise QB to be missing valuable reps, meetings, etc.? Two, what other way would they be able to showcase another QB if they wanted to flip one?
This is false. Jets wanted Darnold bad and it was covered by peter king in what happened when the Browns took Baker. Darnold was their number 1 guy.
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and indeed the face of your franchise why the f would you nickel and dime him? Sign him, get him in camp, get him ready to be your QB. Stop worrying about what if he's a bust or a dickhead who you have to cut in 3 years.
There were rumors that the Jets wanted Mayfield and "settled" for Darnold. I also believe that the Jets have too many QBs and are trying to flip a guy like Bridgewater. In order to do that then they need to be able to justify giving their other QBs reps. I know this sounds like a conspiracy but we are talking about the Jets here. One, why would the Jets out of nowhere decide to make up something so ridiculous that has never been done before with top picks and allow their franchise QB to be missing valuable reps, meetings, etc.? Two, what other way would they be able to showcase another QB if they wanted to flip one?
This is false. Jets wanted Darnold bad and it was covered by peter king in what happened when the Browns took Baker. Darnold was their number 1 guy.
Dep, you understand what rumors are, correct? I never stated it as fact but there were many rumors that the Jets wamted Mayfield. His agent also said so. There was more than ome outlet saying this. Peter King is also jot the best source. You also state "what the Jets did AFTER Mayfield was selected." The Jets traded up to three very early because they believed they could get their guy there. Darnold was always talked about as the top pick and if not at one then at 2. If they Jets were im love with Darnold they wouldn't have traded up to three hoping he'd fall. It gives more credence to the fact they probably liked Mayfield a lot amd never thought they'd take Mayfield there. My buddy who is a Jets fan was saying for weeks that he kept hearing they loved Mayfield. So, like I said, nothing was ever stated as fact with my post. I stated rumors and some weird reason that I can see the Jets doing this crap.
Diver, if I am not mistaken, Ralph Vacchiano made up some bullshit story that Darnold is holding oit because of the offset language. That was nothing but his opinion because he said that is the only thing to negotiate with rookie deals. That is not true. Shortly after that Mehta (sp?) wrote the same. After that it was reported that the major hold up is not the offset language but rather voiding about 30 million dollars if he gets fined by the NFL. Players used to get fined for throwing a ball in the stands. I can see that still holding true. These could all be lies or all be the truth. Who knows? What I do know though is Ralph had no source im his article and just went with a generic outlook. The other ESPN writer did research. I'll stick with the person that used a source over someone that is just being general amd has always been a shit stirrer.
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Nice supposition, but I suspect there never will be article that is written post-draft that will allude to the contrary. Such an easy sell that Jets could not believe their luck that a player fell to them.
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I can’t find kings article, but this should give you a better understanding that Darnold was always their guy... Jets love Darnold - ( New Window )
Nice supposition, but I suspect there never will be article that is written post-draft that will allude to the contrary. Such an easy sell that Jets could not believe their luck that a player fell to them.
Or it could be their man fell to them. That was a pretty detailed article going back almost 2 years on how they scouted him.
Remember it took the Jets less than a minute to put their pick in during the draft.
No doubt they jumped on Darnold who was probably #2 on their board but I believe they really wanted Baker Mayfield.
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I can’t find kings article, but this should give you a better understanding that Darnold was always their guy... Jets love Darnold - ( New Window )
Nice supposition, but I suspect there never will be article that is written post-draft that will allude to the contrary. Such an easy sell that Jets could not believe their luck that a player fell to them.
Or it could be their man fell to them. That was a pretty detailed article going back almost 2 years on how they scouted him.
Remember it took the Jets less than a minute to put their pick in during the draft.
I'm not convinced that Darnold was their guy all along. Everyone fell in love with Darnold 2 years ago, then he proceeded to shit the bed tossing balls to opponents and dropping balls like it was a hot potato last year. There is no doubt that he was scouted and teams loved the player 2 years ago. I'm also of the belief that they felt there was no chance in drafting Darnold so they had shifted their focus to Mayfield. We can agree to disagree with the player ranking. Was Darnold #1 and Mayfield #2? Was Mayfield #1A and Darnold #1B? Was Mayfield #1 and Darnold #2? No one will reveal the Jets board. I'm of the belief that if Darnold was the clear cut #1 choice, then the Jets would have moved Heaven and Earth to guarantee their choice and not just settle for the third pick. Now, if their #1 choice was a player that no one thought had a chance in going #1 and (let's be honest, Mayfield was never a consideration of the Giants), then of course, they would be content in staying at 3 and picking their guy. With the tables turned, the Jets gladly took Darnold.
No doubt they jumped on Darnold who was probably #2 on their board but I believe they really wanted Baker Mayfield.
The Browns are the NFLs equivalent of Charlie Day.
Wildcard! (but without the playoffs)
Or maybe too cheap, lawyers cost money.
I think it's buyers remorse, who wants the face of the franchise to be some PED induced Barry Bonds lumpy head?
I don't really buy it. The timing of everything and the position they traded to, when Darnold was the consensus #1 when they trade up suggests either it was Mayfield 1, Darnold 2 or 1a. Or maybe Darnold 1, Mayfield 1a. Definitely not Darnold 1 and Mayfield 2.
It makes more sense to me that the issue would be linked to potential loss of guarantees due to fines/suspensions. Offset language is pretty standard I think - plus if the Jets cut him, it's likely he isn't getting a huge 2nd contract that would lead to a large difference in compensation. The money above what the Jets owed would likely be like a league-min contract. However, losing guarantees over the type of 'conduct detrimental to team' that has become more common lately (and is open to interpretation) would be a big blow to player/agent compensation wise. Just my 2 cents.
I love it. Has total Jets clusterf*ck again written all over it.
I believe they were fine with mayfield thinking Darnold was going 1. When mayfield went 1, they got their guy.
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I can’t find kings article, but this should give you a better understanding that Darnold was always their guy... Jets love Darnold - ( New Window )
I don't really buy it. The timing of everything and the position they traded to, when Darnold was the consensus #1 when they trade up suggests either it was Mayfield 1, Darnold 2 or 1a. Or maybe Darnold 1, Mayfield 1a. Definitely not Darnold 1 and Mayfield 2.
Again read the article. They were probably fine with mayfield at 3 and would have taken him no problem. Every article suggested that Darnold was their clear #1 but they didn’t think they could get him. When he was there, they literally took less than a minute to call it in.
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I can’t find kings article, but this should give you a better understanding that Darnold was always their guy... Jets love Darnold - ( New Window )
I don't really buy it. The timing of everything and the position they traded to, when Darnold was the consensus #1 when they trade up suggests either it was Mayfield 1, Darnold 2 or 1a. Or maybe Darnold 1, Mayfield 1a. Definitely not Darnold 1 and Mayfield 2.
Again read the article. They were probably fine with mayfield at 3 and would have taken him no problem. Every article suggested that Darnold was their clear #1 but they didn’t think they could get him. When he was there, they literally took less than a minute to call it in.
Obviously they loved Darnold so much they haven't bothered to sign him for training camp I guess.
The idea that they were forced into picking a player that they didn't want is silly beyond all reason.
I'm certain when they traded to 3 there were 3 picks they would gave been happy with.
I'm also certain that they could have traded out with Darnold sitting on the board if they wanted to.
They took Darnold.
The idea that they were forced into picking a player that they didn't want is silly beyond all reason.
I'm certain when they traded to 3 there were 3 picks they would gave been happy with.
I'm also certain that they could have traded out with Darnold sitting on the board if they wanted to.
They took Darnold.
So what is the suggestion here?
That the Jets used the third pick in the bloody draft on a player that they don't want?
Is that really your argument?
Sit down and think about how asinine that sounds for a few minutes. We'll wait.
It makes more sense to me that the issue would be linked to potential loss of guarantees due to fines/suspensions. Offset language is pretty standard I think - plus if the Jets cut him, it's likely he isn't getting a huge 2nd contract that would lead to a large difference in compensation. The money above what the Jets owed would likely be like a league-min contract. However, losing guarantees over the type of 'conduct detrimental to team' that has become more common lately (and is open to interpretation) would be a big blow to player/agent compensation wise. Just my 2 cents.
To the contrary, the agent (CAA) works for Sam as a client, but they also have a stable of other clients and future clients. The terms that they negotiate for Sam can be used as a selling point to convince future clients in signing with them. Mayfield and Allen agreed to offset language. CAA doesn't want to yield to those terms. To think that Sam will get a vet min. deal if he busts and is cut is laughable. Mike Glennon was earning more in yearly salary last season(15M) than Eli Manning. It is the current QB market. If Sam flames out with the Jets, he'll get another chance with another team and not for vet min.
To bolster the argument that I made above, apparently Sammy and the Jets are coming to terms today. The contract will include the offset language that CAA wants and the Jets don't. I think the media ran with the "fines" red herring and fans interpreted it to mean low-level fines and not the traditional Conduct Detrimental to the Team forfeiture clause that is included in every player's contract.
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I can’t find kings article, but this should give you a better understanding that Darnold was always their guy... Jets love Darnold - ( New Window )
Nice supposition, but I suspect there never will be article that is written post-draft that will allude to the contrary. Such an easy sell that Jets could not believe their luck that a player fell to them.
If you've seen the reactions of their war room (especially the owner and GM the second it happened) it seemed pretty genuine. They bluffed the Browns into taking Mayfield and then pretty much just had to pray the Giants would take a running back. It worked out. Rarely do things work out like this for us...but it did.
Should be the other way around. The Jets want the offset language and CAA doesn't.
No doubt they jumped on Darnold who was probably #2 on their board but I believe they really wanted Baker Mayfield.
Dave Te (NFLscouting) was sure Mayfield was the Browns guy after they got Tyrod Taylor.