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NGT: Urban Meyer potentially in hot water

FranknWeezer : 8/1/2018 11:32 am
Concerns an Ohio State WR Coach's domestic violence and Urban's turning a deaf ear towards it and recently lying about it at Media Day.

A pretty well-put together piece of journalism by Brett McMurphy (ESPN), IMO.

Will be interesting to see if Urban survives this. Have a read.
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RE: Ohio State  
Kyle in NY : 8/2/2018 1:51 pm : link
In comment 14027585 MookGiants said:
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will show their true colors if they bring him back. There's not a person on this planet that actually believes he didn't know if his wife knew. Using that as a defense for bringing him back would be quite hilarious.

Add in all of the other shady shit that has followed him, and you just can't justify ever bringing him back. He doesn't deserve any benefit of the doubt


Are you firing him for keeping Smith on the staff or because he wasn't honest about it last week? I agree there's no way he didn't know. But if he goes, it's because of the attempted cover up, in my opinion.
RE: Can you two please stop arguing?  
Mike from Ohio : 8/2/2018 1:52 pm : link
In comment 14027584 Jon in NYC said:
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I think we can all agree that both Ohio State and Michigan both fucking suck.

**ducks**


The first post on this thread I think every rational person can agree with.
Kyle  
MookGiants : 8/2/2018 1:58 pm : link
the cover up is always what gets them fired. And yet they all keep making the same mistake. Truly amazing.
For sure  
Kyle in NY : 8/2/2018 2:00 pm : link
because I truly believe that if he comes out after firing him and says something along the lines of that he shouldn't have kept him this long, he made a mistake, he's sorry, then he still gets a lot of heat and looks bad but it never goes this far. I don't think it was a fireable offense on its own until he lied about it. Now, anything can happen
RE: For sure  
Mike from Ohio : 8/2/2018 3:13 pm : link
In comment 14027608 Kyle in NY said:
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because I truly believe that if he comes out after firing him and says something along the lines of that he shouldn't have kept him this long, he made a mistake, he's sorry, then he still gets a lot of heat and looks bad but it never goes this far. I don't think it was a fireable offense on its own until he lied about it. Now, anything can happen


If he knew about the alleged abuse and did not report it immediately, I think he is in violation of the contract and that alone is a fireable offense. He is only ok if he can show he fired him and/or reported it as soon as he found out.
RE: Kyle  
Ten Ton Hammer : 8/2/2018 3:38 pm : link
In comment 14027605 MookGiants said:
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the cover up is always what gets them fired. And yet they all keep making the same mistake. Truly amazing.


General dishonesty is in the DNA of big money college sports. Apparently asking a big time college head coach to not try to cover up some element of wrongdoing goes against every instinct.
RE: RE: For sure  
Kyle in NY : 8/2/2018 3:41 pm : link
In comment 14027712 Mike from Ohio said:
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In comment 14027608 Kyle in NY said:


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because I truly believe that if he comes out after firing him and says something along the lines of that he shouldn't have kept him this long, he made a mistake, he's sorry, then he still gets a lot of heat and looks bad but it never goes this far. I don't think it was a fireable offense on its own until he lied about it. Now, anything can happen



If he knew about the alleged abuse and did not report it immediately, I think he is in violation of the contract and that alone is a fireable offense. He is only ok if he can show he fired him and/or reported it as soon as he found out.


It WAS reported to the police, by the wife. There were multiple reports of the police responding to the house for incidents. That's what McMurphy originally found. She declined to press charges each time. Then she goes to Shelly and presumably Urban in 2015. The police are aware, I'm guessing the AD is aware, and Urban is aware of the situation. If she's not pressing charges, then what is there to report? It's already been reported to the police.

Now at this point he's got to be fired. And Urban is guilty of keeping this scumbag on his staff after that, for whatever reason, likely loyalty to his grandfather. But if she's not pressing charges, what can he do besides fire him? Which also doesn't solve really solve the situation. It just gets him away from the players and the university. She's still dealing with this guy but that's not Urban's respnsibility

This is sort of jumping off what FMiC said earlier. If he's fired, it's for lying about it last week. Because if he jsut explains the situation above and admitted his mistake, he gets flak but it likely passes by the time camp starts.
2nd paragraph  
Kyle in NY : 8/2/2018 3:42 pm : link
at that point in 2015 *Smith has to be fired
RE: 2nd paragraph  
Mike from Ohio : 8/2/2018 3:49 pm : link
In comment 14027744 Kyle in NY said:
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at that point in 2015 *Smith has to be fired


His contract requires that he report it to the university so that they can protect themselves legally. He didn't do that, so put them at legal risk. I have no way of knowing for sure, but I am guessing there is nothing in there saying you don't have to report it if she doesn't press charges.

If he was aware of abuse and was legally required to report it to Smith and the admin and he did not do that, I don't see how he isn't fired.
That's fair  
Kyle in NY : 8/2/2018 3:52 pm : link
just thinking it through
I just hope OSU takes their time with this...  
bw in dc : 8/2/2018 3:59 pm : link
and doesn't rush to fire Meyer because the Mob is out in full force. There seems to be a lot of strange elements to this than requires much more vetting.

Alas, we live in an environment where anyone of fame is guilty until proven innocent. So many things are inside out these days...

Two things..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 8/2/2018 4:08 pm : link
in a row I agree with bw on!!!

The mob mentality takes down anyone associated with events now. They play moral judge and jury with real impact to people in the spotlight.

I look at the Larry Nassar situation. Terrible man. Monster. But the fallout of his arrest made it seem like people not only turned a blind eye, but protected him from prosecution. There are certainly innocent people who had no idea what was happening that lost a job or position. Over 60 people were fired or forced to resign in his wake.

I don't know if we'll see this type of thing abide though.

The part I cringe at is that oftentimes the people accused of not coming forward are often looked at as worse as the person who is doing the actual abuse. at least in the public's eye.
FMiC  
Mike from Ohio : 8/2/2018 4:17 pm : link
I don't disagree with the sentiment at all. When someone commits a crime society is too quick to try and figure out who else is to blame. It waters down the responsibility of the people like Nassar by making it seem like he was only one part of some broad conspiracy.

But this one I don't think is the same case. Meyer is in trouble with him employer for exposing them to risk. I don't think anyone is really arguing that he somehow enabled the abuse. At least I am not. I think is problem is that he owed it to his employers to let them know if there was a problem, and he simply didn't do it.
Mike..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 8/2/2018 4:21 pm : link
I think in this case, and frankly a lot of cases, if a person knows that something went on and lies about it, that's the point of being fired. I said as much earlier.

I don't think simply having the knowledge should be a tipping point though, especially if it was fairly well known that events had happened with the police being called and an arrest being made that surely was visible to the police and the greater community.

Meyer is only opening up the university to risk if he keeps a known abuser employed while the rest of the university, including the AD is in the dark.

What ultimately should seal his fate is if he lied. Then it goes from a passive event to one that he's triggered.
RE: Two things..  
RobCarpenter : 8/2/2018 4:36 pm : link
In comment 14027775 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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in a row I agree with bw on!!!

The mob mentality takes down anyone associated with events now. They play moral judge and jury with real impact to people in the spotlight.

I look at the Larry Nassar situation. Terrible man. Monster. But the fallout of his arrest made it seem like people not only turned a blind eye, but protected him from prosecution. There are certainly innocent people who had no idea what was happening that lost a job or position. Over 60 people were fired or forced to resign in his wake.

I don't know if we'll see this type of thing abide though.

The part I cringe at is that oftentimes the people accused of not coming forward are often looked at as worse as the person who is doing the actual abuse. at least in the public's eye.


I agree with your last point.

In terms of innocent people getting screwed b/c of the actions of a few, that's nothing new, look at Bear Stearns or Enron for starters.

This  
Jon in NYC : 8/2/2018 4:38 pm : link
is a real shirt:

hah....guessing that one gets pulled from the shelves quickly  
Greg from LI : 8/2/2018 4:41 pm : link
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LOL..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 8/2/2018 4:42 pm : link
Classic!!
FMiC  
Mike from Ohio : 8/2/2018 4:47 pm : link
But if an employee has a responsibility to report something to his employer, and he doesn't do it because he assumes they can figure it out for themselves, that requirement becomes impossible to enforce. In the next case, the employee can claim they thought someone else was going to report it, or thought it was widely known so surely they didn't need to report it also.

Like all things in life there is some discretion. If the coach had been shooting up the campus and it was being covered by CNN surely every employee does not run to HR to report it. But I also think that simply relying on your superiors to be aware of gossip or local police blotters is a harder position to defend. Fortunately Urban has deep pockets and can hire some good lawyers to make that argument if he likes. But honestly he will probably just negotiate a settlement, step down, and not speak about it again.
It'd be hard to argue, in my mind, that some faceless "Mob"  
Ten Ton Hammer : 8/2/2018 5:08 pm : link
got Urban Meyer fired if the job requirements are right there in black and white print that he has a duty to report these things if he's made aware of them.

It doesn't seem like a nuanced issue to me. If he knew, and claimed he didn't, but also didn't report it, that's not mob justice. That's getting fired for cause.
Meyer's  
MookGiants : 8/3/2018 6:49 pm : link
twitter statement today was a complete farce.

Anyone who believes he shouldn't be fired at this point should be slapped silly.

That statement today was the biggest joke I have ever seen.

Ohio State should have fired him the second he released that statement.
the school  
MookGiants : 8/3/2018 6:51 pm : link
needs to clean house of the entire athletic department. Not sure they will, but the AD needs to go as well. They all knew of the 2015 incident and did nothing. Not one of them deserves to keep their job.

whoever  
MookGiants : 8/3/2018 6:52 pm : link
Meyer is paying to help him with PR should also be out of a job. He certainly didnt help himself by releasing that statement whatsoever
Holy shit  
dep026 : 8/3/2018 6:56 pm : link
I just read Urbans tweet and smiths interview.

Urb is truly a scumbag.....
How could he say my intention  
MookGiants : 8/3/2018 7:02 pm : link
was not to say anything misleading or inaccurate.

He blatantly lied and knew he was blatantly lying.

What a piece of shit.
This really shouldn't...  
FatMan in Charlotte : 8/3/2018 7:08 pm : link
matter:

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the school
MookGiants : 6:51 pm : link : reply
needs to clean house of the entire athletic department. Not sure they will, but the AD needs to go as well. They all knew of the 2015 incident and did nothing. Not one of them deserves to keep their job.


What should matter is lying. A lot of people knew about the 2015 incident including the police, the victim's family and most in the football program.

Meyer firing the coach likely isn't ending the abuse. Focus on the reasons Meyer should be fired, not thinking something was going to stop from his action or inaction
Does his tweet/statement mean he lied though?  
Jim in Forest Hills : 8/4/2018 11:36 am : link
He was unprepared and nervous so he answered incorrectly at the time of the interview, are we saying that's not lying?
RE: Does his tweet/statement mean he lied though?  
Ten Ton Hammer : 8/4/2018 11:49 am : link
In comment 14029413 Jim in Forest Hills said:
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He was unprepared and nervous so he answered incorrectly at the time of the interview, are we saying that's not lying?


People are right to be highly skeptical given the reported information.

And let's be honest, he was unprepared and nervous? A veteran, big time college football head coach? Seems very unlikely.
So the latest....  
dep026 : 8/13/2018 4:57 pm : link
Smith arrested in 2013. Was sentenced to probation and some driving privileges revoked. Now this is all public record. Yet, somehow Urb knew “nothing” about it. Especially the driving part in the aftermath. Smith wanted to keep it on the hush-hush.

Also, Smith convinced Urb that the tooth fairy and Santa clause were real as well.
RE: So the latest....  
dep026 : 8/13/2018 5:00 pm : link
In comment 14038352 dep026 said:
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Smith arrested in 2013. Was sentenced to probation and some driving privileges revoked. Now this is all public record. Yet, somehow Urb knew “nothing” about it. Especially the driving part in the aftermath. Smith wanted to keep it on the hush-hush.

Also, Smith convinced Urb that the tooth fairy and Santa clause were real as well.


Arrested for DUI
RE: Can you two please stop arguing?  
Jay in Toronto : 8/13/2018 5:18 pm : link
In comment 14027584 Jon in NYC said:
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I think we can all agree that both Ohio State and Michigan both fucking suck.

**ducks**


Go Badgers!!!

The worst they ever did was buy sneakers at a discount from a store that gave *everybody* discounts. And they got more than a slap on the wrist.

I think when you combine this with the gymnastics team's abuse scandal, I wonder if some shine will come off that dotted "i"??
RE: So the latest....  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 8/13/2018 8:01 pm : link
In comment 14038352 dep026 said:
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Smith arrested in 2013. Was sentenced to probation and some driving privileges revoked. Now this is all public record. Yet, somehow Urb knew “nothing” about it. Especially the driving part in the aftermath. Smith wanted to keep it on the hush-hush.

Also, Smith convinced Urb that the tooth fairy and Santa clause were real as well.


LOL. Urban didn't know. Yeah, and I'm going to climb into bed tonight with Margot Robbie & Scarlett Johnansson.
RE: So the latest....  
bw in dc : 8/14/2018 7:27 am : link
In comment 14038352 dep026 said:
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Smith arrested in 2013. Was sentenced to probation and some driving privileges revoked. Now this is all public record. Yet, somehow Urb knew “nothing” about it. Especially the driving part in the aftermath. Smith wanted to keep it on the hush-hush.

Also, Smith convinced Urb that the tooth fairy and Santa clause were real as well.


To be fair, Meyer has said nothing about this. Smith and his lawyer have spoken. And both have said Meyer was never told.
RE: RE: So the latest....  
dep026 : 8/14/2018 7:40 am : link
In comment 14038674 bw in dc said:
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In comment 14038352 dep026 said:


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Smith arrested in 2013. Was sentenced to probation and some driving privileges revoked. Now this is all public record. Yet, somehow Urb knew “nothing” about it. Especially the driving part in the aftermath. Smith wanted to keep it on the hush-hush.

Also, Smith convinced Urb that the tooth fairy and Santa clause were real as well.



To be fair, Meyer has said nothing about this. Smith and his lawyer have spoken. And both have said Meyer was never told.


So the man who is one of the most powerful person not only in sports but also the state of Florida and Ohio - didn’t know of a DUI that any Joe Blow on a corner lot would have known? For such a powerful person, he sure doesn’t know a lot of what’s going on around him, right?
Judge who reduced Smith’s DUI charge  
jeff57 : 8/14/2018 7:51 am : link
Was Ohio State grad and member of the OSU President’s Club.
RE: Judge who reduced Smith’s DUI charge  
dep026 : 8/14/2018 8:51 am : link
In comment 14038682 jeff57 said:
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Was Ohio State grad and member of the OSU President’s Club.


LOL. But Urb didn’t know.... haha
Is Urban..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 8/14/2018 8:56 am : link
required to take action if he did know??

Again - the HC of a football team isn't expected to be a judge and jury, he's expected to win football games - which is exactly why blind eyes are often turned.

The key still remain s - is Meyer's lying to a reporter a fireable offense?

The rest is just a question of morality or ethics.
RE: Is Urban..  
dep026 : 8/14/2018 9:02 am : link
In comment 14038711 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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required to take action if he did know??

Again - the HC of a football team isn't expected to be a judge and jury, he's expected to win football games - which is exactly why blind eyes are often turned.

The key still remain s - is Meyer's lying to a reporter a fireable offense?

The rest is just a question of morality or ethics.


We still don’t know for a fact he reported the abuse either. Saying one did and have an AD say he did isn’t concrete.
RE: Is Urban..  
jestersdead : 8/14/2018 9:25 am : link
In comment 14038711 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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required to take action if he did know??

Again - the HC of a football team isn't expected to be a judge and jury, he's expected to win football games - which is exactly why blind eyes are often turned.

The key still remain s - is Meyer's lying to a reporter a fireable offense?

The rest is just a question of morality or ethics.


FMiC, I posted this on the 1st page.

from the OP's link

"If Urban Meyer knew about the domestic violence issues, he may have violated his contract and could be fired with cause. The contract says he must "promptly report to Ohio State's Title IX Coordinator for Athletics any known violations of Ohio State's Sexual Misconduct Policy (including but not limited to sexual harassment, sexual assault, sexual exploitation, intimate violence and stalking) that involve any student, faculty or staff."
I was talking..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 8/14/2018 9:43 am : link
about the DUI.

I don't think there's a legal obligation for him to do anything on that
RE: Judge who reduced Smith’s DUI charge  
Kyle in NY : 8/14/2018 9:44 am : link
In comment 14038682 jeff57 said:
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Was Ohio State grad and member of the OSU President’s Club.


So you're telling me a Columbus judge graduated from OSU? That's shocking! Great scoop
RE: RE: Judge who reduced Smith’s DUI charge  
dep026 : 8/14/2018 9:45 am : link
In comment 14038759 Kyle in NY said:
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In comment 14038682 jeff57 said:


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Was Ohio State grad and member of the OSU President’s Club.



So you're telling me a Columbus judge graduated from OSU? That's shocking! Great scoop


Betcha Urb didnt know that ;)
RE: I was talking..  
Kyle in NY : 8/14/2018 9:45 am : link
In comment 14038758 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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about the DUI.

I don't think there's a legal obligation for him to do anything on that


There isn't, it's a non-story. This has taken so many ridiculous turns with various reports coming out that have nothing to do with the issue at hand. It's a complete mess.
RE: I was talking..  
jestersdead : 8/14/2018 11:10 am : link
In comment 14038758 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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about the DUI.

I don't think there's a legal obligation for him to do anything on that


Gotcha. Sorry for the confusion
RE: RE: RE: So the latest....  
bw in dc : 8/14/2018 11:56 am : link
In comment 14038677 dep026 said:
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So the man who is one of the most powerful person not only in sports but also the state of Florida and Ohio - didn’t know of a DUI that any Joe Blow on a corner lot would have known? For such a powerful person, he sure doesn’t know a lot of what’s going on around him, right?


I don't know what Meyer knew or didn't. I'm just pointing out the fact that Meyer hasn't said anything on this circumstance, just Smith and his lawyer.

But what if Meyer did know? What's the problem?
RE: RE: RE: RE: So the latest....  
Big Blue '56 : 8/14/2018 11:59 am : link
In comment 14038897 bw in dc said:
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In comment 14038677 dep026 said:


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So the man who is one of the most powerful person not only in sports but also the state of Florida and Ohio - didn’t know of a DUI that any Joe Blow on a corner lot would have known? For such a powerful person, he sure doesn’t know a lot of what’s going on around him, right?



I don't know what Meyer knew or didn't. I'm just pointing out the fact that Meyer hasn't said anything on this circumstance, just Smith and his lawyer.

But what if Meyer did know? What's the problem?


Have you explored this with Buckeye Central?
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: So the latest....  
figgy2989 : 8/14/2018 12:24 pm : link
In comment 14038902 Big Blue '56 said:
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Have you explored this with Buckeye Central?


Well done!
Dildos, whitehouse blowjobs  
dep026 : 8/18/2018 7:54 am : link
But Urb didn’t know 😉
...  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 8/18/2018 8:29 am : link
"One photo of Smith’s penis, taken on April 20, 2015 according to a time stamp, shows Smith in his black suit he wore to the White House event. Another photo of Smith’s penis includes a White House bathroom towel featuring the Seal of the President of the United States."

Outside of beating his wife, ordering sex toys to his office, photographing himself screwing around with another woman, & taking dick picks at the White House, Smith seems like a good dude.
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RE: ...  
dep026 : 8/18/2018 8:33 am : link
In comment 14042497 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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"One photo of Smith’s penis, taken on April 20, 2015 according to a time stamp, shows Smith in his black suit he wore to the White House event. Another photo of Smith’s penis includes a White House bathroom towel featuring the Seal of the President of the United States."

Outside of beating his wife, ordering sex toys to his office, photographing himself screwing around with another woman, & taking dick picks at the White House, Smith seems like a good dude. Link - ( New Window )


But Urb didnt know.
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