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NGT: Urban Meyer potentially in hot water

FranknWeezer : 8/1/2018 11:32 am
Concerns an Ohio State WR Coach's domestic violence and Urban's turning a deaf ear towards it and recently lying about it at Media Day.

A pretty well-put together piece of journalism by Brett McMurphy (ESPN), IMO.

Will be interesting to see if Urban survives this. Have a read.
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He'll survive it  
Kyle in NY : 8/1/2018 11:43 am : link
But it's a really bad look. Unsure why they didn't just come clean about it at media day. Had to know these texts were out there from the ex-wife and wouldn't be too hard to track down.

For a man of Christian Values  
BigBlueDownTheShore : 8/1/2018 11:44 am : link
he sure has put himself around a bunch of low moral humans more often then not.
Ohio st  
KWhite2250 : 8/1/2018 11:58 am : link
Likes to cover up all sorts of abuse
Urban  
Jon in NYC : 8/1/2018 12:03 pm : link
Meyer is a scumbag? Who would have thought?!
this is who he is  
GiantsFan84 : 8/1/2018 12:04 pm : link
do people not remember him at florida?
McMurphy with a good scoop  
Rflairr : 8/1/2018 12:12 pm : link
trying to impress the big pubs. lol
It's not like Ohio State is covering up sexual abuse  
Bold Ruler : Mod : 8/1/2018 12:13 pm : link
wait...
It took him longer than I expected  
ZogZerg : 8/1/2018 12:14 pm : link
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Well this could be trouble  
BigBlueDownTheShore : 8/1/2018 12:50 pm : link
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Ohio State may be in violation of Title IX, which states: discrimination on the basis of sex, can include sexual harassment, rape, and sexual assault. A college or university that receives federal funding may be held legally responsible when it knows about and ignores sexual harassment or assault in its programs or activities.


The last sentence. The coaches were employees and Urban's wife is an employee at the college. If they ignored the employee committing the crime, then they are responsible
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SFGFNCGiantsFan : 8/1/2018 12:57 pm : link
He'll survive, much like another individual accused of turning a blind eye to sexual abuse.
Living in Columbus  
GiantsLaw : 8/1/2018 1:05 pm : link
Meyer is king of Ohio. I will be SHOCKED if he’s fired.
RE: For a man of Christian Values  
Greg from LI : 8/1/2018 1:13 pm : link
In comment 14026673 BigBlueDownTheShore said:
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he sure has put himself around a bunch of low moral humans more often then not.


HAHAHAHAHAHA....now that is rich.
WE ARE  
The 12th Man : 8/1/2018 1:24 pm : link
In comment 14026754 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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He'll survive, much like another individual accused of turning a blind eye to sexual abuse.



PENN STATE!!! GO SAQUON!!!
anyway, the odds of Urban experiencing some sudden chest pains  
Greg from LI : 8/1/2018 1:32 pm : link
are getting very good.
RE: anyway, the odds of Urban experiencing some sudden chest pains  
dep026 : 8/1/2018 1:43 pm : link
In comment 14026812 Greg from LI said:
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are getting very good.


This was my first, second, and third reaction.
RE: WE ARE  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 8/1/2018 1:52 pm : link
In comment 14026806 The 12th Man said:
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He'll survive, much like another individual accused of turning a blind eye to sexual abuse.

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PENN STATE!!! GO SAQUON!!!


I wasn't referring to Penn State, but another prominent individual who coached at Ohio State who allegedly ignored some sexual abuse.
RE: anyway, the odds of Urban experiencing some sudden chest pains  
NNJ Tom : 8/1/2018 1:55 pm : link
In comment 14026812 Greg from LI said:
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are getting very good.


This. Dr. Nick Riviera on line 1

There's Alex Trebek's replacement!  
Rico : 8/1/2018 2:29 pm : link
:-)
RE: RE: anyway, the odds of Urban experiencing some sudden chest pains  
Kyle in NY : 8/1/2018 2:38 pm : link
In comment 14026838 dep026 said:
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are getting very good.



This was my first, second, and third reaction.


and Michigan still wouldn't be able to beat Ohio State
RE: RE: RE: anyway, the odds of Urban experiencing some sudden chest pains  
Jon in NYC : 8/1/2018 2:55 pm : link
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are getting very good.



This was my first, second, and third reaction.



and Michigan still wouldn't be able to beat Ohio State


Harbaugh's too busy prepping for the war on chicken.
Should be more concerned  
Kyle in NY : 8/1/2018 2:59 pm : link
with finally winning a rivalry game
The unholy alliance between Big College Football  
Greg from LI : 8/1/2018 3:02 pm : link
and Big Chicken has been exposed. We all owe Jim Harbaugh for that.
RE: RE: RE: anyway, the odds of Urban experiencing some sudden chest pains  
dep026 : 8/1/2018 3:06 pm : link
In comment 14026952 Kyle in NY said:
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are getting very good.



This was my first, second, and third reaction.



and Michigan still wouldn't be able to beat Ohio State


Hey as long as officials from Ohio keep reffing the game, OSU will be fine.
Michigan bitterness fuels me  
Kyle in NY : 8/1/2018 3:07 pm : link
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If this is true  
dep026 : 8/1/2018 3:08 pm : link
Urban still doesn’t get fired. I mean how many convicts are still recognized at Ohio state?
good one  
Kyle in NY : 8/1/2018 3:15 pm : link
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I know this thread is about  
Pete in MD : 8/1/2018 4:18 pm : link
Urban Meyer but that Harbaugh chicken story is some crazy stuff. Can you eat other birds that are more relaxed?
RE: I know this thread is about  
Greg from LI : 8/1/2018 5:28 pm : link
In comment 14027086 Pete in MD said:
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Urban Meyer but that Harbaugh chicken story is some crazy stuff. Can you eat other birds that are more relaxed?


Turkey are very mellow
Urban just got put on administrative leave  
BigBlueDownTheShore : 8/1/2018 6:21 pm : link
Not lookin good.
Interesting thing from Reddit  
BigBlueDownTheShore : 8/1/2018 6:25 pm : link
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I dont know if any one will see this, but Ive caught flak here and been downvoted before for calling out Urban and his bag man & fixer that handled shady shit for him. Ive even said the guys name in here and on discord, and low and behold the guy appears in this story...

>A few days after Zach's 2009 arrest, Courtney said two of Meyer's closest friends – Hiram de Fries and Earle >Bruce – asked her to drop the charges. Bruce is Zach Smith's grandfather, de Fries is Meyer's "life coach."

That guy is still with Urban, and he is the guy that covered up shady shit for urban in the past.

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>On a July morning in 2009, Courtney Smith sat across the table from de Fries, a former attorney and Shell Oil >executive. Courtney said de Fries pressured her to drop the charges.

That aint the first time he has been involved in things like this. The real story is there for any journalist willing to dig into that guy.

edit2: https://www.facebook.com/TheBrettMcMurphy/posts/2042037522486968

>"Zach once told me," said Courtney, "if he ever got fired and this all comes out: 'I'll take everyone at Ohio State >down with me.' "

this guy knows dirt. I expect Mueller to be speaking with him soon.
RE: Urban just got put on administrative leave  
RobCarpenter : 8/1/2018 6:27 pm : link
In comment 14027174 BigBlueDownTheShore said:
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Not lookin good.


Wow. Wonder if Sciano takes over?
RE: RE: Urban just got put on administrative leave  
RobCarpenter : 8/1/2018 7:00 pm : link
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Not lookin good.



Wow. Wonder if Sciano takes over?


Ryan Day (OC/QB coach) is taking over.
Urban Meyer  
short lease : 8/1/2018 7:25 pm : link
it's official.
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One third of Meyer’s 2008 Florida team  
jeff57 : 8/1/2018 7:30 pm : link
Have been charged with some sort of crime. The tradition continues.
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RE: Urban Meyer  
short lease : 8/1/2018 7:30 pm : link
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it's official. Administrative leave - ( New Window )


IDK ... why is Meyer in trouble - because he might of had knowledge about an incident between 2 people who may have wanted to keep it private? There is a lot worse than that out there among the college ranks. What am I missing?
Todd Bowles’s replacement  
jeff57 : 8/1/2018 7:36 pm : link
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RE: RE: Urban Meyer  
jeff57 : 8/1/2018 7:40 pm : link
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it's official. Administrative leave - ( New Window )



IDK ... why is Meyer in trouble - because he might of had knowledge about an incident between 2 people who may have wanted to keep it private? There is a lot worse than that out there among the college ranks. What am I missing?


He may have lied to the university administration. Guess we’ll find out.
RE: RE: Urban Meyer  
Bobby Humphrey's Earpad : 8/1/2018 9:36 pm : link
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it's official. Administrative leave - ( New Window )



IDK ... why is Meyer in trouble - because he might of had knowledge about an incident between 2 people who may have wanted to keep it private? There is a lot worse than that out there among the college ranks. What am I missing?


He lied about it.
RE: RE: Urban Meyer  
jestersdead : 8/1/2018 9:59 pm : link
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it's official. Administrative leave - ( New Window )



IDK ... why is Meyer in trouble - because he might of had knowledge about an incident between 2 people who may have wanted to keep it private? There is a lot worse than that out there among the college ranks. What am I missing?


from the OP's link

"If Urban Meyer knew about the domestic violence issues, he may have violated his contract and could be fired with cause. The contract says he must "promptly report to Ohio State's Title IX Coordinator for Athletics any known violations of Ohio State's Sexual Misconduct Policy (including but not limited to sexual harassment, sexual assault, sexual exploitation, intimate violence and stalking) that involve any student, faculty or staff."
RE: For a man of Christian Values  
mattlawson : 8/1/2018 10:50 pm : link
In comment 14026673 BigBlueDownTheShore said:
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he sure has put himself around a bunch of low moral humans more often then not.


You saying Jesus Christ couldn’t hit a curve ball?
RE: Living in Columbus  
Bramton1 : 8/1/2018 11:16 pm : link
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Meyer is king of Ohio. I will be SHOCKED if he’s fired.


I think Paterno getting canned shows that a head football coach at a major state university cannot use their popularity to protect their job status if a sexual abuse scandal hits.
Zero chance he comes back from this...He is done and it will be  
NYSports1 : 8/1/2018 11:18 pm : link
announced within day or days. No way you put someone right away on paid leave. This just means a buyout is being worked out or a separation....He is done
RE: RE: RE: Urban Meyer  
short lease : 8/1/2018 11:33 pm : link
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it's official. Administrative leave - ( New Window )



IDK ... why is Meyer in trouble - because he might of had knowledge about an incident between 2 people who may have wanted to keep it private? There is a lot worse than that out there among the college ranks. What am I missing?



from the OP's link

"If Urban Meyer knew about the domestic violence issues, he may have violated his contract and could be fired with cause. The contract says he must "promptly report to Ohio State's Title IX Coordinator for Athletics any known violations of Ohio State's Sexual Misconduct Policy (including but not limited to sexual harassment, sexual assault, sexual exploitation, intimate violence and stalking) that involve any student, faculty or staff."



Thanks everyone - didn't realize that it was part of his contract and they already asked him about it and he lied to them. My reading comprehension goes down as my age goes up. I might need glasses - and I am not kidding.
RE: Zero chance he comes back from this...He is done and it will be  
Ten Ton Hammer : 8/2/2018 1:25 am : link
In comment 14027256 NYSports1 said:
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announced within day or days. No way you put someone right away on paid leave. This just means a buyout is being worked out or a separation....He is done


Never underestimate the level of grime in college sports that universities are capable of.
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SFGFNCGiantsFan : 8/2/2018 5:53 am : link
I think the odds he returns are slim to none.
Their  
Jon in NYC : 8/2/2018 7:28 am : link
recruiting class is going to be decimated. Love it.
RE: Their  
dep026 : 8/2/2018 7:43 am : link
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recruiting class is going to be decimated. Love it.


I wonder if players can transfer without sitting now. Kind of like some of the ole miss players.
Wonder if he can fake  
section125 : 8/2/2018 7:50 am : link
another heart condition to get out of it.
RE: Their  
Bobby Humphrey's Earpad : 8/2/2018 7:56 am : link
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recruiting class is going to be decimated. Love it.


Come play for Greg Schiano!
RE: WE ARE  
Sonic Youth : 8/2/2018 7:57 am : link
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He'll survive, much like another individual accused of turning a blind eye to sexual abuse.




PENN STATE!!! GO SAQUON!!!
the cult is real. Your schools athletic Dept is disgusting and an absolute disgrace
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Jon in NYC : 8/2/2018 8:03 am : link
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recruiting class is going to be decimated. Love it.



Come play for Greg Schiano!


It is the lying..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 8/2/2018 8:38 am : link
that will sink people. Meyer has said he's had no knowledge of the situation and if that's false, he can be terminated.

What bothers me a bit in these situations is the need to cause as much collateral damage as possible. I saw several interviews with the wife and she seems to be more upset with Meyer than the guy that was reportedly assaulting her.

She even said something along the lines that this was his fault and he could've stopped it.

No. Meyer couldn't have stopped it. He could've fired the assistant and reported him to police, but not only had the actions already happened, they could've escalated as the assistant comes home from getting canned and beats the shit out of her.

I get the moral obligation from Meyer, but I doubt the woman is asking for her family members who she may have told about the abuse to lose their livelihoods for not doing anything. This continued search for villains seems to be escalating.

It's hard to believe,  
Doomster : 8/2/2018 8:44 am : link
after the Penn State scandal, that any coach can think he can get away with a coverup......

Is it possible Meyer's wife knew about it and didn't tell her husband? Sure...

Was it likely? No....
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Jon in NYC : 8/2/2018 8:46 am : link
Urb at the press conference announcing his resignation  
Greg from LI : 8/2/2018 8:51 am : link
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SFGFNCGiantsFan : 8/2/2018 8:57 am : link
I know it's not nice to revel in someone's career going down the tubes, but Good God I detest Meyer. I'd be lying if this didn't make me somewhat happy.
Wonder if this is come-up-pance  
JonC : 8/2/2018 9:04 am : link
for the way he departed Florida, which I'm not convinced was kosher.
RE: RE: Urban Meyer  
BigBlueDownTheShore : 8/2/2018 9:06 am : link
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it's official. Administrative leave - ( New Window )

IDK ... why is Meyer in trouble - because he might of had knowledge about an incident between 2 people who may have wanted to keep it private? There is a lot worse than that out there among the college ranks. What am I missing?



Its also because two of Meyer's closest friends – Hiram de Fries and Earle Bruce – asked her to drop the charges. Bruce is Zach Smith's grandfather, de Fries is Meyer's "life coach."

What this means then, is that a life coach (employee) and mentor of Urban ACTIVELY DISCOURAGED AN ABUSE VICTIM. These are people intricately linked to Ohio State suppressing this. The university cannot have that stain on its hands.

You can't tell me these two knew about what was happening and Urban didn't. There is no reality that it could happen.

This can't be overstated. De Fries and Bruce could definitely be charged with a crime. Urban could potentially be prosecuted as well, depending on how far De Fries and Bruce were willing to go to keep themselves out of trouble.

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Kyle in NY : 8/2/2018 9:14 am : link
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recruiting class is going to be decimated. Love it.



I wonder if players can transfer without sitting now. Kind of like some of the ole miss players.


They're not getting a bowl ban or NCAA violations which allowed for that situation to happen. But the desperation from each of you, hoping to finally have a chance to beat Ohio State, is hilarious.
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dep026 : 8/2/2018 9:20 am : link
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recruiting class is going to be decimated. Love it.



I wonder if players can transfer without sitting now. Kind of like some of the ole miss players.



They're not getting a bowl ban or NCAA violations which allowed for that situation to happen. But the desperation from each of you, hoping to finally have a chance to beat Ohio State, is hilarious.


I am sorry. Michigan has it shared of struggles with bad coaches and development after Carr... but I guess supporting coaches who break NCAA violations and title IX is something to be proud of?
Not commenting at all on the coach  
Kyle in NY : 8/2/2018 9:31 am : link
or what he's done in this instance. I'm disappointed in my school and how all of this has been handled. When he went to media days a week ago I thought he needed to come forward, be honest, and apologize. This likely blows over after some initial heat if he did that. At this point if he goes, and I do think there's a way out of this for him (as morally gray as it may be), then it will have been his own fault.

Only commenting on the hilarity and desperation of rival fan bases reveling in this, hoping this will finally give them a chance to gain dominance over Ohio State. Here's a hint, it won't.
Enjoy while it lasts  
dep026 : 8/2/2018 9:33 am : link
Because once he gets fired, well if... cause who knows with OSU, the recruits will fade and so will their run.
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Kyle in NY : 8/2/2018 9:35 am : link
In comment 14027324 BigBlueDownTheShore said:
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it's official. Administrative leave - ( New Window )

IDK ... why is Meyer in trouble - because he might of had knowledge about an incident between 2 people who may have wanted to keep it private? There is a lot worse than that out there among the college ranks. What am I missing?




Its also because two of Meyer's closest friends – Hiram de Fries and Earle Bruce – asked her to drop the charges. Bruce is Zach Smith's grandfather, de Fries is Meyer's "life coach."

What this means then, is that a life coach (employee) and mentor of Urban ACTIVELY DISCOURAGED AN ABUSE VICTIM. These are people intricately linked to Ohio State suppressing this. The university cannot have that stain on its hands.

You can't tell me these two knew about what was happening and Urban didn't. There is no reality that it could happen.

This can't be overstated. De Fries and Bruce could definitely be charged with a crime. Urban could potentially be prosecuted as well, depending on how far De Fries and Bruce were willing to go to keep themselves out of trouble.


These were the 2009 charges at Florida, when those two got involved, which Urban said he was aware of.

Ultimately this comes down to loyalty to Earle Bruce, Urban's mentor. Zach Smith was a very average coach who was in the position he was in because of his grandfather. This isn't like covering up for the star QB to make sure the team wins. Zach, if anything, was a detriment to winning. But he skated by and had incidents covered up likely because of the affection felt for his grandfather. It was a horrendous oversight on the part of leadership
RE: Enjoy while it lasts  
Kyle in NY : 8/2/2018 9:36 am : link
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Because once he gets fired, well if... cause who knows with OSU, the recruits will fade and so will their run.


I'm sure you said this when Tress left too
Ohio State  
Metnut : 8/2/2018 9:41 am : link
should hire Brian Kelly.

Please?
RE: Not commenting at all on the coach  
Jon in NYC : 8/2/2018 9:46 am : link
In comment 14027342 Kyle in NY said:
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Only commenting on the hilarity and desperation of rival fan bases reveling in this, hoping this will finally give them a chance to gain dominance over Ohio State. Here's a hint, it won't.


Lol sure it will. Urban is a great coach and a fucking scumbag. If you think OSU won’t take a step back because of this you’re delusional.
This has less to do with a moral obligation  
Mike from Ohio : 8/2/2018 12:11 pm : link
It seems to me this is a legal obligation. He was (supposedly) aware that a member of his staff had committed assault, and he is legally required to report that. It seems he didn't.

When it comes to employers and abuse, there is virtually no leeway in letting things resolve themselves. Where I work, if someone came to me and told me that she was assaulted or harassed by another employee, I have to report it even if she asks me not to. If I don't, I can lose my job.

Even if he didn't lie about it, if he knew and did nothing he may have violated his contract and put the university at risk which would be enough to get him fired.
She reported it to the police  
Kyle in NY : 8/2/2018 12:17 pm : link
but declined to press charges each time. Apparently her own family recommended she not press charges which is just strange
RE: This has less to do with a moral obligation  
BigBlueDownTheShore : 8/2/2018 1:13 pm : link
In comment 14027457 Mike from Ohio said:
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It seems to me this is a legal obligation. He was (supposedly) aware that a member of his staff had committed assault, and he is legally required to report that. It seems he didn't.

When it comes to employers and abuse, there is virtually no leeway in letting things resolve themselves. Where I work, if someone came to me and told me that she was assaulted or harassed by another employee, I have to report it even if she asks me not to. If I don't, I can lose my job.

Even if he didn't lie about it, if he knew and did nothing he may have violated his contract and put the university at risk which would be enough to get him fired.


It also looks like his 2 goons tried to stop her from reporting it as well.
This is..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 8/2/2018 1:27 pm : link
kind of what I was alluding to:

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Kyle in NY : 12:17 pm : link : reply
but declined to press charges each time. Apparently her own family recommended she not press charges which is just strange


There are many people along the way that could've stepped in, including her family. But the point of the stories today and her own comments were that Meyer could've stopped things a long time ago and she blames him.

I'm no Meyer fan. The guy has been phony from the get-go with his fake-Christian shit and the numerous criminals he's helped on his teams (not to mention a lot of shady recruiting).

I just don't like where an event happens and large swaths of people get blamed.
I dont see  
MookGiants : 8/2/2018 1:27 pm : link
any way that Ohio State doesn't at least temporarily take a step back because of this. It would be shocking if he doesn't lose his job, and even if he doesn't you have to figure it will be a major distraction and hurt recruiting.

I'm sure they will find a good coach to replace him next off-season, but they'll have a hard time finding a Meyer level coach.

How could Ohio State ever justify bringing him back at this point?
I'd bet  
MookGiants : 8/2/2018 1:28 pm : link
that they come to an agreement to mutually part ways in a week or so. He won't get his full pay but he'll get something and they will pay him to just go away.
I'll give Ohio State credit  
RobCarpenter : 8/2/2018 1:30 pm : link
Taking action quickly was the right thing to do.

As to Ohio State/Michigan, on what planet is this a first down??

I do think there is a way he comes back  
Kyle in NY : 8/2/2018 1:36 pm : link
There is still some plausible deniability there considering Smith's wife can't be sure that he knew (the reporter confirmed this) and there is no direct evidence linking him to having full knowledge of the situation.

Now obviously if Shelly knew the extent of it, there's virtually no chance Urban didn't know. Which is why I wish he'd just come out and been honest about it last week. They had to know the ex-wife was out there possibly ready to talk.

But without direct evidence, there is a way for him to come back. Shelly could take the fall and maybe say she didn't tell Urban the full details. A lot of people failed this woman, including those closest to her. It's an awful situation.
Michigan fans can't be serious  
Kyle in NY : 8/2/2018 1:37 pm : link
still with this first down thing. Especially when he's crossing the first down line in the picture you're using as supposed evidence! Lol
RE: Michigan fans can't be serious  
RobCarpenter : 8/2/2018 1:41 pm : link
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still with this first down thing. Especially when he's crossing the first down line in the picture you're using as supposed evidence! Lol


Not a single part of his body is across that line.

Michigan's coach may be a wierdo about eating chicken but last I checked he doesn't have a wife beater on his staff.
Can you two please stop arguing?  
Jon in NYC : 8/2/2018 1:42 pm : link
I think we can all agree that both Ohio State and Michigan both fucking suck.

**ducks**
Ohio State  
MookGiants : 8/2/2018 1:43 pm : link
will show their true colors if they bring him back. There's not a person on this planet that actually believes he didn't know if his wife knew. Using that as a defense for bringing him back would be quite hilarious.

Add in all of the other shady shit that has followed him, and you just can't justify ever bringing him back. He doesn't deserve any benefit of the doubt
LOL..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 8/2/2018 1:44 pm : link
How do you know??

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Are we going on whether or not the guy has a white tank top on swilling beer?

RE: Ohio State  
Kyle in NY : 8/2/2018 1:51 pm : link
In comment 14027585 MookGiants said:
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will show their true colors if they bring him back. There's not a person on this planet that actually believes he didn't know if his wife knew. Using that as a defense for bringing him back would be quite hilarious.

Add in all of the other shady shit that has followed him, and you just can't justify ever bringing him back. He doesn't deserve any benefit of the doubt


Are you firing him for keeping Smith on the staff or because he wasn't honest about it last week? I agree there's no way he didn't know. But if he goes, it's because of the attempted cover up, in my opinion.
RE: Can you two please stop arguing?  
Mike from Ohio : 8/2/2018 1:52 pm : link
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I think we can all agree that both Ohio State and Michigan both fucking suck.

**ducks**


The first post on this thread I think every rational person can agree with.
Kyle  
MookGiants : 8/2/2018 1:58 pm : link
the cover up is always what gets them fired. And yet they all keep making the same mistake. Truly amazing.
For sure  
Kyle in NY : 8/2/2018 2:00 pm : link
because I truly believe that if he comes out after firing him and says something along the lines of that he shouldn't have kept him this long, he made a mistake, he's sorry, then he still gets a lot of heat and looks bad but it never goes this far. I don't think it was a fireable offense on its own until he lied about it. Now, anything can happen
RE: For sure  
Mike from Ohio : 8/2/2018 3:13 pm : link
In comment 14027608 Kyle in NY said:
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because I truly believe that if he comes out after firing him and says something along the lines of that he shouldn't have kept him this long, he made a mistake, he's sorry, then he still gets a lot of heat and looks bad but it never goes this far. I don't think it was a fireable offense on its own until he lied about it. Now, anything can happen


If he knew about the alleged abuse and did not report it immediately, I think he is in violation of the contract and that alone is a fireable offense. He is only ok if he can show he fired him and/or reported it as soon as he found out.
RE: Kyle  
Ten Ton Hammer : 8/2/2018 3:38 pm : link
In comment 14027605 MookGiants said:
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the cover up is always what gets them fired. And yet they all keep making the same mistake. Truly amazing.


General dishonesty is in the DNA of big money college sports. Apparently asking a big time college head coach to not try to cover up some element of wrongdoing goes against every instinct.
RE: RE: For sure  
Kyle in NY : 8/2/2018 3:41 pm : link
In comment 14027712 Mike from Ohio said:
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In comment 14027608 Kyle in NY said:


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because I truly believe that if he comes out after firing him and says something along the lines of that he shouldn't have kept him this long, he made a mistake, he's sorry, then he still gets a lot of heat and looks bad but it never goes this far. I don't think it was a fireable offense on its own until he lied about it. Now, anything can happen



If he knew about the alleged abuse and did not report it immediately, I think he is in violation of the contract and that alone is a fireable offense. He is only ok if he can show he fired him and/or reported it as soon as he found out.


It WAS reported to the police, by the wife. There were multiple reports of the police responding to the house for incidents. That's what McMurphy originally found. She declined to press charges each time. Then she goes to Shelly and presumably Urban in 2015. The police are aware, I'm guessing the AD is aware, and Urban is aware of the situation. If she's not pressing charges, then what is there to report? It's already been reported to the police.

Now at this point he's got to be fired. And Urban is guilty of keeping this scumbag on his staff after that, for whatever reason, likely loyalty to his grandfather. But if she's not pressing charges, what can he do besides fire him? Which also doesn't solve really solve the situation. It just gets him away from the players and the university. She's still dealing with this guy but that's not Urban's respnsibility

This is sort of jumping off what FMiC said earlier. If he's fired, it's for lying about it last week. Because if he jsut explains the situation above and admitted his mistake, he gets flak but it likely passes by the time camp starts.
2nd paragraph  
Kyle in NY : 8/2/2018 3:42 pm : link
at that point in 2015 *Smith has to be fired
RE: 2nd paragraph  
Mike from Ohio : 8/2/2018 3:49 pm : link
In comment 14027744 Kyle in NY said:
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at that point in 2015 *Smith has to be fired


His contract requires that he report it to the university so that they can protect themselves legally. He didn't do that, so put them at legal risk. I have no way of knowing for sure, but I am guessing there is nothing in there saying you don't have to report it if she doesn't press charges.

If he was aware of abuse and was legally required to report it to Smith and the admin and he did not do that, I don't see how he isn't fired.
That's fair  
Kyle in NY : 8/2/2018 3:52 pm : link
just thinking it through
I just hope OSU takes their time with this...  
bw in dc : 8/2/2018 3:59 pm : link
and doesn't rush to fire Meyer because the Mob is out in full force. There seems to be a lot of strange elements to this than requires much more vetting.

Alas, we live in an environment where anyone of fame is guilty until proven innocent. So many things are inside out these days...

Two things..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 8/2/2018 4:08 pm : link
in a row I agree with bw on!!!

The mob mentality takes down anyone associated with events now. They play moral judge and jury with real impact to people in the spotlight.

I look at the Larry Nassar situation. Terrible man. Monster. But the fallout of his arrest made it seem like people not only turned a blind eye, but protected him from prosecution. There are certainly innocent people who had no idea what was happening that lost a job or position. Over 60 people were fired or forced to resign in his wake.

I don't know if we'll see this type of thing abide though.

The part I cringe at is that oftentimes the people accused of not coming forward are often looked at as worse as the person who is doing the actual abuse. at least in the public's eye.
FMiC  
Mike from Ohio : 8/2/2018 4:17 pm : link
I don't disagree with the sentiment at all. When someone commits a crime society is too quick to try and figure out who else is to blame. It waters down the responsibility of the people like Nassar by making it seem like he was only one part of some broad conspiracy.

But this one I don't think is the same case. Meyer is in trouble with him employer for exposing them to risk. I don't think anyone is really arguing that he somehow enabled the abuse. At least I am not. I think is problem is that he owed it to his employers to let them know if there was a problem, and he simply didn't do it.
Mike..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 8/2/2018 4:21 pm : link
I think in this case, and frankly a lot of cases, if a person knows that something went on and lies about it, that's the point of being fired. I said as much earlier.

I don't think simply having the knowledge should be a tipping point though, especially if it was fairly well known that events had happened with the police being called and an arrest being made that surely was visible to the police and the greater community.

Meyer is only opening up the university to risk if he keeps a known abuser employed while the rest of the university, including the AD is in the dark.

What ultimately should seal his fate is if he lied. Then it goes from a passive event to one that he's triggered.
RE: Two things..  
RobCarpenter : 8/2/2018 4:36 pm : link
In comment 14027775 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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in a row I agree with bw on!!!

The mob mentality takes down anyone associated with events now. They play moral judge and jury with real impact to people in the spotlight.

I look at the Larry Nassar situation. Terrible man. Monster. But the fallout of his arrest made it seem like people not only turned a blind eye, but protected him from prosecution. There are certainly innocent people who had no idea what was happening that lost a job or position. Over 60 people were fired or forced to resign in his wake.

I don't know if we'll see this type of thing abide though.

The part I cringe at is that oftentimes the people accused of not coming forward are often looked at as worse as the person who is doing the actual abuse. at least in the public's eye.


I agree with your last point.

In terms of innocent people getting screwed b/c of the actions of a few, that's nothing new, look at Bear Stearns or Enron for starters.

This  
Jon in NYC : 8/2/2018 4:38 pm : link
is a real shirt:

hah....guessing that one gets pulled from the shelves quickly  
Greg from LI : 8/2/2018 4:41 pm : link
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LOL..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 8/2/2018 4:42 pm : link
Classic!!
FMiC  
Mike from Ohio : 8/2/2018 4:47 pm : link
But if an employee has a responsibility to report something to his employer, and he doesn't do it because he assumes they can figure it out for themselves, that requirement becomes impossible to enforce. In the next case, the employee can claim they thought someone else was going to report it, or thought it was widely known so surely they didn't need to report it also.

Like all things in life there is some discretion. If the coach had been shooting up the campus and it was being covered by CNN surely every employee does not run to HR to report it. But I also think that simply relying on your superiors to be aware of gossip or local police blotters is a harder position to defend. Fortunately Urban has deep pockets and can hire some good lawyers to make that argument if he likes. But honestly he will probably just negotiate a settlement, step down, and not speak about it again.
It'd be hard to argue, in my mind, that some faceless "Mob"  
Ten Ton Hammer : 8/2/2018 5:08 pm : link
got Urban Meyer fired if the job requirements are right there in black and white print that he has a duty to report these things if he's made aware of them.

It doesn't seem like a nuanced issue to me. If he knew, and claimed he didn't, but also didn't report it, that's not mob justice. That's getting fired for cause.
Meyer's  
MookGiants : 8/3/2018 6:49 pm : link
twitter statement today was a complete farce.

Anyone who believes he shouldn't be fired at this point should be slapped silly.

That statement today was the biggest joke I have ever seen.

Ohio State should have fired him the second he released that statement.
the school  
MookGiants : 8/3/2018 6:51 pm : link
needs to clean house of the entire athletic department. Not sure they will, but the AD needs to go as well. They all knew of the 2015 incident and did nothing. Not one of them deserves to keep their job.

whoever  
MookGiants : 8/3/2018 6:52 pm : link
Meyer is paying to help him with PR should also be out of a job. He certainly didnt help himself by releasing that statement whatsoever
Holy shit  
dep026 : 8/3/2018 6:56 pm : link
I just read Urbans tweet and smiths interview.

Urb is truly a scumbag.....
How could he say my intention  
MookGiants : 8/3/2018 7:02 pm : link
was not to say anything misleading or inaccurate.

He blatantly lied and knew he was blatantly lying.

What a piece of shit.
This really shouldn't...  
FatMan in Charlotte : 8/3/2018 7:08 pm : link
matter:

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the school
MookGiants : 6:51 pm : link : reply
needs to clean house of the entire athletic department. Not sure they will, but the AD needs to go as well. They all knew of the 2015 incident and did nothing. Not one of them deserves to keep their job.


What should matter is lying. A lot of people knew about the 2015 incident including the police, the victim's family and most in the football program.

Meyer firing the coach likely isn't ending the abuse. Focus on the reasons Meyer should be fired, not thinking something was going to stop from his action or inaction
Does his tweet/statement mean he lied though?  
Jim in Forest Hills : 8/4/2018 11:36 am : link
He was unprepared and nervous so he answered incorrectly at the time of the interview, are we saying that's not lying?
RE: Does his tweet/statement mean he lied though?  
Ten Ton Hammer : 8/4/2018 11:49 am : link
In comment 14029413 Jim in Forest Hills said:
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He was unprepared and nervous so he answered incorrectly at the time of the interview, are we saying that's not lying?


People are right to be highly skeptical given the reported information.

And let's be honest, he was unprepared and nervous? A veteran, big time college football head coach? Seems very unlikely.
So the latest....  
dep026 : 8/13/2018 4:57 pm : link
Smith arrested in 2013. Was sentenced to probation and some driving privileges revoked. Now this is all public record. Yet, somehow Urb knew “nothing” about it. Especially the driving part in the aftermath. Smith wanted to keep it on the hush-hush.

Also, Smith convinced Urb that the tooth fairy and Santa clause were real as well.
RE: So the latest....  
dep026 : 8/13/2018 5:00 pm : link
In comment 14038352 dep026 said:
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Smith arrested in 2013. Was sentenced to probation and some driving privileges revoked. Now this is all public record. Yet, somehow Urb knew “nothing” about it. Especially the driving part in the aftermath. Smith wanted to keep it on the hush-hush.

Also, Smith convinced Urb that the tooth fairy and Santa clause were real as well.


Arrested for DUI
RE: Can you two please stop arguing?  
Jay in Toronto : 8/13/2018 5:18 pm : link
In comment 14027584 Jon in NYC said:
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I think we can all agree that both Ohio State and Michigan both fucking suck.

**ducks**


Go Badgers!!!

The worst they ever did was buy sneakers at a discount from a store that gave *everybody* discounts. And they got more than a slap on the wrist.

I think when you combine this with the gymnastics team's abuse scandal, I wonder if some shine will come off that dotted "i"??
RE: So the latest....  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 8/13/2018 8:01 pm : link
In comment 14038352 dep026 said:
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Smith arrested in 2013. Was sentenced to probation and some driving privileges revoked. Now this is all public record. Yet, somehow Urb knew “nothing” about it. Especially the driving part in the aftermath. Smith wanted to keep it on the hush-hush.

Also, Smith convinced Urb that the tooth fairy and Santa clause were real as well.


LOL. Urban didn't know. Yeah, and I'm going to climb into bed tonight with Margot Robbie & Scarlett Johnansson.
RE: So the latest....  
bw in dc : 8/14/2018 7:27 am : link
In comment 14038352 dep026 said:
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Smith arrested in 2013. Was sentenced to probation and some driving privileges revoked. Now this is all public record. Yet, somehow Urb knew “nothing” about it. Especially the driving part in the aftermath. Smith wanted to keep it on the hush-hush.

Also, Smith convinced Urb that the tooth fairy and Santa clause were real as well.


To be fair, Meyer has said nothing about this. Smith and his lawyer have spoken. And both have said Meyer was never told.
RE: RE: So the latest....  
dep026 : 8/14/2018 7:40 am : link
In comment 14038674 bw in dc said:
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In comment 14038352 dep026 said:


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Smith arrested in 2013. Was sentenced to probation and some driving privileges revoked. Now this is all public record. Yet, somehow Urb knew “nothing” about it. Especially the driving part in the aftermath. Smith wanted to keep it on the hush-hush.

Also, Smith convinced Urb that the tooth fairy and Santa clause were real as well.



To be fair, Meyer has said nothing about this. Smith and his lawyer have spoken. And both have said Meyer was never told.


So the man who is one of the most powerful person not only in sports but also the state of Florida and Ohio - didn’t know of a DUI that any Joe Blow on a corner lot would have known? For such a powerful person, he sure doesn’t know a lot of what’s going on around him, right?
Judge who reduced Smith’s DUI charge  
jeff57 : 8/14/2018 7:51 am : link
Was Ohio State grad and member of the OSU President’s Club.
RE: Judge who reduced Smith’s DUI charge  
dep026 : 8/14/2018 8:51 am : link
In comment 14038682 jeff57 said:
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Was Ohio State grad and member of the OSU President’s Club.


LOL. But Urb didn’t know.... haha
Is Urban..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 8/14/2018 8:56 am : link
required to take action if he did know??

Again - the HC of a football team isn't expected to be a judge and jury, he's expected to win football games - which is exactly why blind eyes are often turned.

The key still remain s - is Meyer's lying to a reporter a fireable offense?

The rest is just a question of morality or ethics.
RE: Is Urban..  
dep026 : 8/14/2018 9:02 am : link
In comment 14038711 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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required to take action if he did know??

Again - the HC of a football team isn't expected to be a judge and jury, he's expected to win football games - which is exactly why blind eyes are often turned.

The key still remain s - is Meyer's lying to a reporter a fireable offense?

The rest is just a question of morality or ethics.


We still don’t know for a fact he reported the abuse either. Saying one did and have an AD say he did isn’t concrete.
RE: Is Urban..  
jestersdead : 8/14/2018 9:25 am : link
In comment 14038711 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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required to take action if he did know??

Again - the HC of a football team isn't expected to be a judge and jury, he's expected to win football games - which is exactly why blind eyes are often turned.

The key still remain s - is Meyer's lying to a reporter a fireable offense?

The rest is just a question of morality or ethics.


FMiC, I posted this on the 1st page.

from the OP's link

"If Urban Meyer knew about the domestic violence issues, he may have violated his contract and could be fired with cause. The contract says he must "promptly report to Ohio State's Title IX Coordinator for Athletics any known violations of Ohio State's Sexual Misconduct Policy (including but not limited to sexual harassment, sexual assault, sexual exploitation, intimate violence and stalking) that involve any student, faculty or staff."
I was talking..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 8/14/2018 9:43 am : link
about the DUI.

I don't think there's a legal obligation for him to do anything on that
RE: Judge who reduced Smith’s DUI charge  
Kyle in NY : 8/14/2018 9:44 am : link
In comment 14038682 jeff57 said:
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Was Ohio State grad and member of the OSU President’s Club.


So you're telling me a Columbus judge graduated from OSU? That's shocking! Great scoop
RE: RE: Judge who reduced Smith’s DUI charge  
dep026 : 8/14/2018 9:45 am : link
In comment 14038759 Kyle in NY said:
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In comment 14038682 jeff57 said:


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Was Ohio State grad and member of the OSU President’s Club.



So you're telling me a Columbus judge graduated from OSU? That's shocking! Great scoop


Betcha Urb didnt know that ;)
RE: I was talking..  
Kyle in NY : 8/14/2018 9:45 am : link
In comment 14038758 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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about the DUI.

I don't think there's a legal obligation for him to do anything on that


There isn't, it's a non-story. This has taken so many ridiculous turns with various reports coming out that have nothing to do with the issue at hand. It's a complete mess.
RE: I was talking..  
jestersdead : 8/14/2018 11:10 am : link
In comment 14038758 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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about the DUI.

I don't think there's a legal obligation for him to do anything on that


Gotcha. Sorry for the confusion
RE: RE: RE: So the latest....  
bw in dc : 8/14/2018 11:56 am : link
In comment 14038677 dep026 said:
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So the man who is one of the most powerful person not only in sports but also the state of Florida and Ohio - didn’t know of a DUI that any Joe Blow on a corner lot would have known? For such a powerful person, he sure doesn’t know a lot of what’s going on around him, right?


I don't know what Meyer knew or didn't. I'm just pointing out the fact that Meyer hasn't said anything on this circumstance, just Smith and his lawyer.

But what if Meyer did know? What's the problem?
RE: RE: RE: RE: So the latest....  
Big Blue '56 : 8/14/2018 11:59 am : link
In comment 14038897 bw in dc said:
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In comment 14038677 dep026 said:


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So the man who is one of the most powerful person not only in sports but also the state of Florida and Ohio - didn’t know of a DUI that any Joe Blow on a corner lot would have known? For such a powerful person, he sure doesn’t know a lot of what’s going on around him, right?



I don't know what Meyer knew or didn't. I'm just pointing out the fact that Meyer hasn't said anything on this circumstance, just Smith and his lawyer.

But what if Meyer did know? What's the problem?


Have you explored this with Buckeye Central?
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: So the latest....  
figgy2989 : 8/14/2018 12:24 pm : link
In comment 14038902 Big Blue '56 said:
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Have you explored this with Buckeye Central?


Well done!
Dildos, whitehouse blowjobs  
dep026 : 8/18/2018 7:54 am : link
But Urb didn’t know 😉
...  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 8/18/2018 8:29 am : link
"One photo of Smith’s penis, taken on April 20, 2015 according to a time stamp, shows Smith in his black suit he wore to the White House event. Another photo of Smith’s penis includes a White House bathroom towel featuring the Seal of the President of the United States."

Outside of beating his wife, ordering sex toys to his office, photographing himself screwing around with another woman, & taking dick picks at the White House, Smith seems like a good dude.
Link - ( New Window )
RE: ...  
dep026 : 8/18/2018 8:33 am : link
In comment 14042497 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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"One photo of Smith’s penis, taken on April 20, 2015 according to a time stamp, shows Smith in his black suit he wore to the White House event. Another photo of Smith’s penis includes a White House bathroom towel featuring the Seal of the President of the United States."

Outside of beating his wife, ordering sex toys to his office, photographing himself screwing around with another woman, & taking dick picks at the White House, Smith seems like a good dude. Link - ( New Window )


But Urb didnt know.
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