He has no clue what hes looking at. I watched Eli yesterday. He doesnt make every throw full out. A lot of his throws are touch and placement throws. He rifled several throws that I saw. Webbs issue is he trusts his arm too much. He thinks he sees a tight window his arm will overcome. He will learn as he plays more. Whats good is even if he screws up with a bad throw he keeps on slinging it. Short memory.
Dont listen to these beat guys. They dont know anymore than we do.
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The #Giants have a workout in progress. Know theyve been looking heavily at cornerbacks. One of the players who has come through recently is former Panthers CB Zack Sanchez.
Hard to argue with view that the Giants are going to struggle
He played surprisingly well last season and should be the primary guard off the bench this season. The Giants just need to bring in another OT and I will feel very good about the depth.
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Coach Shurmur: William Gay has played a lot of football and hes a very instinctive player. We want to get a look at him at corner and safety. #GiantsCamp
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Shurmur cires Apple for having a good day.....says LB corps showing a pass rush and all are making progress
Pat Shurmur says by design that Jon Halapio had his workload lessened a bit today with Brett Jones bumping up to 1st team late in practice and John Greco getting some reps at 2nd team center. No injury or demotion/promotion #NYGiants
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.@EvanEngram - Last couple days @saquon has been put out wide and hes making plays...hes so dynamic...it definitely puts defenses in a bind. #GiantsCamp
Webbs issue is he trusts his arm too much. He thinks he sees a tight window his arm will overcome. He will learn as he plays more. Whats good is even if he screws up with a bad throw he keeps on slinging it. Short memory.
Maybe he needs to have a longer memory because apparently these are the same issues that dogged him as a college QB (from Boylhart)....
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It comes down to this, Davis thinks he is a better quarterback than he actually is. Im sure that he thinks he works hard at his craft but the truth is either he works hard and is not working smart or is not working hard enough...Every time he comes off his 1st receiver I hold my breath because I know he is either going to miss the receiver badly, throw an interception or worse throw a ball he has no business throwing because he doesnt have that type of talent
Grecos Resume says he has played C and OT, though not a lot of reps
Webbs issue is he trusts his arm too much. He thinks he sees a tight window his arm will overcome. He will learn as he plays more. Whats good is even if he screws up with a bad throw he keeps on slinging it. Short memory.
Maybe he needs to have a longer memory because apparently these are the same issues that dogged him as a college QB (from Boylhart)....
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It comes down to this, Davis thinks he is a better quarterback than he actually is. Im sure that he thinks he works hard at his craft but the truth is either he works hard and is not working smart or is not working hard enough...Every time he comes off his 1st receiver I hold my breath because I know he is either going to miss the receiver badly, throw an interception or worse throw a ball he has no business throwing because he doesnt have that type of talent
Yup. This is what worries me about him. He thinks he's Brett Favre but he's not.
Davis Webb needs reps. Give the kid a break. He's a 2nd year player and he learning his 2nd new offense. Young players have growing pains. By all reports, he is a hard worker. Let him work. I can't believe people are scrutinizing an INT thrown in a training camp practice....SIX DAYS BEFORE THE FIRST PRESEASON GAME. Seriously?
Any more picks thrown by Webb and coaches really need to consider
at CB this season. And hold onto your butts if Jenkins happens to go down for any bit of time...
You can probably say this about most teams and their top corner.
Not many teams out there with CB depth good enough to withstand losing their #1 guy. In fact, many teams don't even have a CB as good as Jenkins on their roster at all.
Davis Webb needs reps. Give the kid a break. He's a 2nd year player and he learning his 2nd new offense. Young players have growing pains. By all reports, he is a hard worker. Let him work. I can't believe people are scrutinizing an INT thrown in a training camp practice....SIX DAYS BEFORE THE FIRST PRESEASON GAME. Seriously?
Yeah they have a lot of nerve even reporting that he threw an INT in camp, we don't even have any idea whose fault it was, maybe the receiver ran the wrong route. For that matter, they shouldn't mention any incompletions as well, it's just the first week in August for crying out loud. We should only be told about completed passes that go for a TD and there should be no mention of who was covering the receiver at the time, because after all it's only August and it would be a crime for anyone to think that it might've been the CB's fault when it may not even have been his man, he could've been helping out another DB who blew the assignment.
We should all just shut up and applaud everything that happens in camp because what the fuck do we know anyway! These guys are working their asses off in the hot sun and we're just sitting at our computers throwing them shade (and not the kind of shade that keeps the sun out of their eyes, which is another thing, we don't know if the sun was in Webb's eyes when he threw that INT!).
No one is saying to cut Webb or that he can't eventually get better,
but the precedent has been set and its up to him to change it. Until he does, people have every right to question his decision-making.
Watch his play in college.
Listen to him in interviews and he talks glowingly about his arm strength.
He's overconfident and it gets him in trouble on the field.
I like Webb as much as anyone else and I'm rooting for him. But I'm not going to pretend the issue doesn't exist just because its training camp.
He's overconfident in his interviews? He talks glowingly about his arm strength? You much be reading different stuff than I have.
No, I said he's overconfident at times on the field and the result is often-enough a negative.
Yes, he has talked glowingly about his arm strength in interviews. Guess you missed those. On its own its a non-issue. I'm just driving home the point that he needs to learn better when to rely on his arm strength and when to be more conservative.
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5m5 minutes ago
The Friday #Daily5:
1. Saquon Barkley is splitting out wide more. Got matched vs. Janoris Jenkins on one and ran a crisp slant for a TD that included a quick deke outside. Evan Engram said he noticed. The DBs on the sideline were also impressed. Barkley a stud in pass game
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2. Eli Manning threw the ball well Friday. Even fired a strike down the middle to OBJ in traffic on one play. Looked back to normal throwing the football. #Giants #Daily5
RE: RE: No one is saying to cut Webb or that he can't eventually get better,
but the precedent has been set and its up to him to change it. Until he does, people have every right to question his decision-making.
Watch his play in college.
Listen to him in interviews and he talks glowingly about his arm strength.
He's overconfident and it gets him in trouble on the field.
I like Webb as much as anyone else and I'm rooting for him. But I'm not going to pretend the issue doesn't exist just because its training camp.
He's overconfident in his interviews? He talks glowingly about his arm strength? You much be reading different stuff than I have.
No, I said he's overconfident at times on the field and the result is often-enough a negative.
Yes, he has talked glowingly about his arm strength in interviews. Guess you missed those. On its own its a non-issue. I'm just driving home the point that he needs to learn better when to rely on his arm strength and when to be more conservative.
You are out of your mind if you believe that is overconfidence in his arm strength is leading to his demise. I guess you missed all the articles written on him studying different defenses, defensive coordinators, knowing a good chunk of Shurmur's offense before Shurmur even was allowed to talk about his offense by studying when Shurmur was with other teams, working on his fundamentals all offseason, constantly up Eli's ass all last year and this past offseason, working on his drops and working with guys like Engram in the offseason. Lets not try to understand why these balls were intercepted. Lets just make it simplistic and say every interception because he is overconfident in his arm strength. Got it.
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3. BW Webb worked a bunch with the first-team defense out of the slot. Hes been making plays, including an INT of Davis Webb. Hes among the front runners for a reserve DB spot. Meanwhile, William Gay played some safety before leaving with a wrap on his leg #Daily5 #Giants
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5m5 minutes ago
The Friday #Daily5:
1. Saquon Barkley is splitting out wide more. Got matched vs. Janoris Jenkins on one and ran a crisp slant for a TD that included a quick deke outside. Evan Engram said he noticed. The DBs on the sideline were also impressed. Barkley a stud in pass game
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4m4 minutes ago
2. Eli Manning threw the ball well Friday. Even fired a strike down the middle to OBJ in traffic on one play. Looked back to normal throwing the football. #Giants #Daily5
So Manning's "weak arm" yesterday (per Jordan) is gone today. LOL
RE: RE: RE: RE: No one is saying to cut Webb or that he can't eventually get better,
but the precedent has been set and its up to him to change it. Until he does, people have every right to question his decision-making.
Watch his play in college.
Listen to him in interviews and he talks glowingly about his arm strength.
He's overconfident and it gets him in trouble on the field.
I like Webb as much as anyone else and I'm rooting for him. But I'm not going to pretend the issue doesn't exist just because its training camp.
He's overconfident in his interviews? He talks glowingly about his arm strength? You much be reading different stuff than I have.
No, I said he's overconfident at times on the field and the result is often-enough a negative.
Yes, he has talked glowingly about his arm strength in interviews. Guess you missed those. On its own its a non-issue. I'm just driving home the point that he needs to learn better when to rely on his arm strength and when to be more conservative.
You are out of your mind if you believe that is overconfidence in his arm strength is leading to his demise. I guess you missed all the articles written on him studying different defenses, defensive coordinators, knowing a good chunk of Shurmur's offense before Shurmur even was allowed to talk about his offense by studying when Shurmur was with other teams, working on his fundamentals all offseason, constantly up Eli's ass all last year and this past offseason, working on his drops and working with guys like Engram in the offseason. Lets not try to understand why these balls were intercepted. Lets just make it simplistic and say every interception because he is overconfident in his arm strength. Got it.
I'm not sure why you are so intent on exaggerating things. I never said it was "leading to his demise." You make it sound like I've doomed him to failure if he doesn't clean up his propensity for stupid mistakes. Maybe grab a paper bag and take deep breaths?
And yes, I'm very well aware of how cerebral he is. I've read all that stuff. He's one of the players I most look forward to seeing next week. Every player has flaws right? Well thats one of his and its something he needs to get better at. Kerry Collins was sort of the same way. There were times you just neve knew what was going to happen when the ball left his hand. He had a cannon and he made stupid decisions because he trusted his arm more than he should have at times.
I want my players being aggressive even if they make mistakes. I'd much rather have a QB throw three interceptions in a preseason game and learn about what they can and cannot do then to just check the ball down in the preseason all game long amd have good stats. It is like Parcells told Simms that one time I will try to quote him correctly, "If you don't throw at least 2 interceptions today then you aren't taking enough chances."
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5m5 minutes ago
The Friday #Daily5:
1. Saquon Barkley is splitting out wide more. Got matched vs. Janoris Jenkins on one and ran a crisp slant for a TD that included a quick deke outside. Evan Engram said he noticed. The DBs on the sideline were also impressed. Barkley a stud in pass game
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4m4 minutes ago
2. Eli Manning threw the ball well Friday. Even fired a strike down the middle to OBJ in traffic on one play. Looked back to normal throwing the football. #Giants #Daily5
So Manning's "weak arm" yesterday (per Jordan) is gone today. LOL
Sounds like Eli and Davis had reciprocal humerus transplants. I wonder if Eli will brag about his velo in the after-practice interviews?
Throwing an interception doesn't mean it was a stupid mistake.
You are making assumptions about training camp throws when you don't know what is going on and only based on tweets. Relax. At least give him until the end of the preseason before you have concrete opinions on him.
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10m10 minutes ago
4. Veteran outside linebacker Connor Barwin continues to have his way with the second-string tackles. Hes in the backfield seemingly on every player. Easy to see why Giants believe he has some rushes left in him. #Daily5 #Giants
RE: Throwing an interception doesn't mean it was a stupid mistake.
You are making assumptions about training camp throws when you don't know what is going on and only based on tweets. Relax. At least give him until the end of the preseason before you have concrete opinions on him.
Firstly, I'm completely relaxed. You're the one misconstruing and blowing everything I say out of proportion.
Secondly, my assumptions aren't based solely on training camp or some stupid tweets. They are based on issues he displayed in college. Pull up scouting reports on him and see for yourself, or better yet - watch him.
Milton posted the link from Boylhart about Webb making stupid decisions because he thinks he's a better passer than he is, and I was agreeing with that.
I just totally agree witb your assessment here. He is making bad plays because he thinks he is better than he is? What does that mean? He threw 2 interceptions today. One sounds like the receiver could have ran the wrong route. The other sounds like he never saw the MLB. How does that show he thinks he is better than he is? That is just asinine.
Okay, go back to college when he showed up and had to learn the entire offense in a little bit of time and get acclimated with his receivers who weren't that great. The best player he played with was Hansen. I'd be fucking shocked if he didn't make mistakes. That isn't an ideal situation to succeed in.
Like I said, it is one thing to say he needs to work on things and another to make assumption of why things are occurring. It is like every fan killing Eli for all the interceptions under Gilbride and them not understand the type of offense we ran with the insane amount of option routes after the ball was snapped. How could Eli throw 4 interceptions against Minnesota where 3 got returned for TDs. I remember that game verg clearly. Fans in the stands were calling for Jared Lorenzen. Good thing we didn't give up on Eli that year otherwise we never would have won the Super Bowl.
My point is simple. There are many many facotrs that go into interceptions. Some are the QBs responsibility and some arent. Even when it is the QBs responsibility maybe that QB thought they could have fit it into a window or maybe it is one of a hundred other reasons. I don't hear or read Webb throwing into double or triple coverage. That would indicate an overconfidence in his arm strength.
You are making assumptions about training camp throws when you don't know what is going on and only based on tweets. Relax. At least give him until the end of the preseason before you have concrete opinions on him.
True enough, but it cuts both ways. And the preseason isn't necessarily all that more revealing other than that we get to see it with our own lying eyes. And there in lies the rub. Because unless Eli falters in the next two years (which none of us want to see) or misses several games to injury (which none of us want to see), the Giants are going to give him an extension and Davis Webb will never get the chance to be his heir apparent.
All we really know about Davis Webb's probability of success in the NFL is that the previous regime thought him worthy of a late 3rd round pick in 2017 and that the current regime thought it wise to spend a 4th round pick on a QB in 2018 despite having him and Eli on the roster. The rest is just public relations.
You are making assumptions about training camp throws when you don't know what is going on and only based on tweets. Relax. At least give him until the end of the preseason before you have concrete opinions on him.
True enough, but it cuts both ways. And the preseason isn't necessarily all that more revealing other than that we get to see it with our own lying eyes. And there in lies the rub. Because unless Eli falters in the next two years (which none of us want to see) or misses several games to injury (which none of us want to see), the Giants are going to give him an extension and Davis Webb will never get the chance to be his heir apparent.
All we really know about Davis Webb's probability of success in the NFL is that the previous regime thought him worthy of a late 3rd round pick in 2017 and that the current regime thought it wise to spend a 4th round pick on a QB in 2018 despite having him and Eli on the roster. The rest is just public relations.
Absolutely. Not every question will be answered in the preseason but we will get some answers. You can tell a lot by hiw he commands the team, runs the offense, runs the two minute drill. He'll also be surrounded by inferior OL talent so there will still be a lot of questions unanswered as well.
As far as Eli goes, I'd be shocked if they gave him an extension. I love Eli but he'll be, what, 38 at the time? I doubt that happens. At that point they will have to make a commitment to Webb or Lauletta or another QB in FA or the draft. Eli would have to be amazing for that to happen. I wouldn't rule that out. I still think he has plenty left right now. At 38? We'll see. I'm glad they have options right now and I'm glad Shurmur is letting Webb and Lauletta get into it right away instead of what occurred last year.
Not every question will be answered in the preseason but we will get some answers. You can tell a lot by how he commands the team, runs the offense, runs the two minute drill. He'll also be surrounded by inferior OL talent so there will still be a lot of questions unanswered as well.
If he looks bad it could easily be because he is just one of many young 2nd string players learning the new offense and there are going to be a lot of mental mistakes. And if he looks good, it could be the result of going against a vanilla defense or a defense full of youngsters making mental mistakes that leave receivers wide open.
Madelyn Burke Pretty easy on the eyes ..
After the bad news with Sam Beal hopefully one of these younger guys step up enough to make the squad .
No doubt they will sign another vet or two before regular season starts .
Dont listen to these beat guys. They dont know anymore than we do.
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Situation was getting the offense off the field and the FG unit on for a last-second kick. Rosas went 3-for-3 from ~40 yards.
That was nice!
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The #Giants have a workout in progress. Know theyve been looking heavily at cornerbacks. One of the players who has come through recently is former Panthers CB Zack Sanchez.
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Coach Shurmur: William Gay has played a lot of football and hes a very instinctive player. We want to get a look at him at corner and safety. #GiantsCamp
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Shurmur cires Apple for having a good day.....says LB corps showing a pass rush and all are making progress
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The #Giants worked out some players today here but kept the session closed to their management and scouting staff
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Shurmur said the moving parts on the OL today was by design. Want to give guys different looks at different spots.
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As for the revolving door at FS, Shurmur said preseason games will tell more. Seems like that battle will last a while.
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Pat Shurmur says by design that Jon Halapio had his workload lessened a bit today with Brett Jones bumping up to 1st team late in practice and John Greco getting some reps at 2nd team center. No injury or demotion/promotion #NYGiants
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.@EvanEngram - Last couple days @saquon has been put out wide and hes making plays...hes so dynamic...it definitely puts defenses in a bind. #GiantsCamp
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Webbs issue is he trusts his arm too much. He thinks he sees a tight window his arm will overcome. He will learn as he plays more. Whats good is even if he screws up with a bad throw he keeps on slinging it. Short memory.
Maybe he needs to have a longer memory because apparently these are the same issues that dogged him as a college QB (from Boylhart)....
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It comes down to this, Davis thinks he is a better quarterback than he actually is. Im sure that he thinks he works hard at his craft but the truth is either he works hard and is not working smart or is not working hard enough...Every time he comes off his 1st receiver I hold my breath because I know he is either going to miss the receiver badly, throw an interception or worse throw a ball he has no business throwing because he doesnt have that type of talent
Yup. This is what worries me about him. He thinks he's Brett Favre but he's not.
Marshall Newhouse where are you?
Cannot have that kind of shit happening in Aug of year 2...
You can probably say this about most teams and their top corner.
Not many teams out there with CB depth good enough to withstand losing their #1 guy. In fact, many teams don't even have a CB as good as Jenkins on their roster at all.
We should all just shut up and applaud everything that happens in camp because what the fuck do we know anyway! These guys are working their asses off in the hot sun and we're just sitting at our computers throwing them shade (and not the kind of shade that keeps the sun out of their eyes, which is another thing, we don't know if the sun was in Webb's eyes when he threw that INT!).
Watch his play in college.
Listen to him in interviews and he talks glowingly about his arm strength.
He's overconfident and it gets him in trouble on the field.
I like Webb as much as anyone else and I'm rooting for him. But I'm not going to pretend the issue doesn't exist just because its training camp.
Watch his play in college.
Listen to him in interviews and he talks glowingly about his arm strength.
He's overconfident and it gets him in trouble on the field.
I like Webb as much as anyone else and I'm rooting for him. But I'm not going to pretend the issue doesn't exist just because its training camp.
He's overconfident in his interviews? He talks glowingly about his arm strength? You much be reading different stuff than I have.
"A man's got to know his limitations" - ( New Window )
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Among the veterans to work out for the Giants was Alterraun Verner, per source. Hes played for the Titans, Bucs and Dolphins. Made a Pro Bowl in 2013.
Same. It's only annoying when it's a level of confidence that isn't justified by results or talent.
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but the precedent has been set and its up to him to change it. Until he does, people have every right to question his decision-making.
Watch his play in college.
Listen to him in interviews and he talks glowingly about his arm strength.
He's overconfident and it gets him in trouble on the field.
I like Webb as much as anyone else and I'm rooting for him. But I'm not going to pretend the issue doesn't exist just because its training camp.
He's overconfident in his interviews? He talks glowingly about his arm strength? You much be reading different stuff than I have.
No, I said he's overconfident at times on the field and the result is often-enough a negative.
Yes, he has talked glowingly about his arm strength in interviews. Guess you missed those. On its own its a non-issue. I'm just driving home the point that he needs to learn better when to rely on his arm strength and when to be more conservative.
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5m5 minutes ago
The Friday #Daily5:
1. Saquon Barkley is splitting out wide more. Got matched vs. Janoris Jenkins on one and ran a crisp slant for a TD that included a quick deke outside. Evan Engram said he noticed. The DBs on the sideline were also impressed. Barkley a stud in pass game
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4m4 minutes ago
2. Eli Manning threw the ball well Friday. Even fired a strike down the middle to OBJ in traffic on one play. Looked back to normal throwing the football. #Giants #Daily5
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but the precedent has been set and its up to him to change it. Until he does, people have every right to question his decision-making.
Watch his play in college.
Listen to him in interviews and he talks glowingly about his arm strength.
He's overconfident and it gets him in trouble on the field.
I like Webb as much as anyone else and I'm rooting for him. But I'm not going to pretend the issue doesn't exist just because its training camp.
He's overconfident in his interviews? He talks glowingly about his arm strength? You much be reading different stuff than I have.
There WAS that article where he discussed his relationship with Eli where he waxed glowingly about his arm strength. I dont really care
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but the precedent has been set and its up to him to change it. Until he does, people have every right to question his decision-making.
Watch his play in college.
Listen to him in interviews and he talks glowingly about his arm strength.
He's overconfident and it gets him in trouble on the field.
I like Webb as much as anyone else and I'm rooting for him. But I'm not going to pretend the issue doesn't exist just because its training camp.
He's overconfident in his interviews? He talks glowingly about his arm strength? You much be reading different stuff than I have.
No, I said he's overconfident at times on the field and the result is often-enough a negative.
Yes, he has talked glowingly about his arm strength in interviews. Guess you missed those. On its own its a non-issue. I'm just driving home the point that he needs to learn better when to rely on his arm strength and when to be more conservative.
You are out of your mind if you believe that is overconfidence in his arm strength is leading to his demise. I guess you missed all the articles written on him studying different defenses, defensive coordinators, knowing a good chunk of Shurmur's offense before Shurmur even was allowed to talk about his offense by studying when Shurmur was with other teams, working on his fundamentals all offseason, constantly up Eli's ass all last year and this past offseason, working on his drops and working with guys like Engram in the offseason. Lets not try to understand why these balls were intercepted. Lets just make it simplistic and say every interception because he is overconfident in his arm strength. Got it.
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2m2 minutes ago
3. BW Webb worked a bunch with the first-team defense out of the slot. Hes been making plays, including an INT of Davis Webb. Hes among the front runners for a reserve DB spot. Meanwhile, William Gay played some safety before leaving with a wrap on his leg #Daily5 #Giants
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5m5 minutes ago
The Friday #Daily5:
1. Saquon Barkley is splitting out wide more. Got matched vs. Janoris Jenkins on one and ran a crisp slant for a TD that included a quick deke outside. Evan Engram said he noticed. The DBs on the sideline were also impressed. Barkley a stud in pass game
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4m4 minutes ago
2. Eli Manning threw the ball well Friday. Even fired a strike down the middle to OBJ in traffic on one play. Looked back to normal throwing the football. #Giants #Daily5
So Manning's "weak arm" yesterday (per Jordan) is gone today. LOL
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but the precedent has been set and its up to him to change it. Until he does, people have every right to question his decision-making.
Watch his play in college.
Listen to him in interviews and he talks glowingly about his arm strength.
He's overconfident and it gets him in trouble on the field.
I like Webb as much as anyone else and I'm rooting for him. But I'm not going to pretend the issue doesn't exist just because its training camp.
He's overconfident in his interviews? He talks glowingly about his arm strength? You much be reading different stuff than I have.
No, I said he's overconfident at times on the field and the result is often-enough a negative.
Yes, he has talked glowingly about his arm strength in interviews. Guess you missed those. On its own its a non-issue. I'm just driving home the point that he needs to learn better when to rely on his arm strength and when to be more conservative.
You are out of your mind if you believe that is overconfidence in his arm strength is leading to his demise. I guess you missed all the articles written on him studying different defenses, defensive coordinators, knowing a good chunk of Shurmur's offense before Shurmur even was allowed to talk about his offense by studying when Shurmur was with other teams, working on his fundamentals all offseason, constantly up Eli's ass all last year and this past offseason, working on his drops and working with guys like Engram in the offseason. Lets not try to understand why these balls were intercepted. Lets just make it simplistic and say every interception because he is overconfident in his arm strength. Got it.
I'm not sure why you are so intent on exaggerating things. I never said it was "leading to his demise." You make it sound like I've doomed him to failure if he doesn't clean up his propensity for stupid mistakes. Maybe grab a paper bag and take deep breaths?
And yes, I'm very well aware of how cerebral he is. I've read all that stuff. He's one of the players I most look forward to seeing next week. Every player has flaws right? Well thats one of his and its something he needs to get better at. Kerry Collins was sort of the same way. There were times you just neve knew what was going to happen when the ball left his hand. He had a cannon and he made stupid decisions because he trusted his arm more than he should have at times.
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The Friday #Daily5:
1. Saquon Barkley is splitting out wide more. Got matched vs. Janoris Jenkins on one and ran a crisp slant for a TD that included a quick deke outside. Evan Engram said he noticed. The DBs on the sideline were also impressed. Barkley a stud in pass game
Jordan Raanan
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4m4 minutes ago
2. Eli Manning threw the ball well Friday. Even fired a strike down the middle to OBJ in traffic on one play. Looked back to normal throwing the football. #Giants #Daily5
So Manning's "weak arm" yesterday (per Jordan) is gone today. LOL
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10m10 minutes ago
4. Veteran outside linebacker Connor Barwin continues to have his way with the second-string tackles. Hes in the backfield seemingly on every player. Easy to see why Giants believe he has some rushes left in him. #Daily5 #Giants
Firstly, I'm completely relaxed. You're the one misconstruing and blowing everything I say out of proportion.
Secondly, my assumptions aren't based solely on training camp or some stupid tweets. They are based on issues he displayed in college. Pull up scouting reports on him and see for yourself, or better yet - watch him.
Milton posted the link from Boylhart about Webb making stupid decisions because he thinks he's a better passer than he is, and I was agreeing with that.
Okay, go back to college when he showed up and had to learn the entire offense in a little bit of time and get acclimated with his receivers who weren't that great. The best player he played with was Hansen. I'd be fucking shocked if he didn't make mistakes. That isn't an ideal situation to succeed in.
Like I said, it is one thing to say he needs to work on things and another to make assumption of why things are occurring. It is like every fan killing Eli for all the interceptions under Gilbride and them not understand the type of offense we ran with the insane amount of option routes after the ball was snapped. How could Eli throw 4 interceptions against Minnesota where 3 got returned for TDs. I remember that game verg clearly. Fans in the stands were calling for Jared Lorenzen. Good thing we didn't give up on Eli that year otherwise we never would have won the Super Bowl.
My point is simple. There are many many facotrs that go into interceptions. Some are the QBs responsibility and some arent. Even when it is the QBs responsibility maybe that QB thought they could have fit it into a window or maybe it is one of a hundred other reasons. I don't hear or read Webb throwing into double or triple coverage. That would indicate an overconfidence in his arm strength.
Cosell Breaks Down Webb And Mahomes (Webb Has A Lot To Like) - ( New Window )
All we really know about Davis Webb's probability of success in the NFL is that the previous regime thought him worthy of a late 3rd round pick in 2017 and that the current regime thought it wise to spend a 4th round pick on a QB in 2018 despite having him and Eli on the roster. The rest is just public relations.
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You are making assumptions about training camp throws when you don't know what is going on and only based on tweets. Relax. At least give him until the end of the preseason before you have concrete opinions on him.
True enough, but it cuts both ways. And the preseason isn't necessarily all that more revealing other than that we get to see it with our own lying eyes. And there in lies the rub. Because unless Eli falters in the next two years (which none of us want to see) or misses several games to injury (which none of us want to see), the Giants are going to give him an extension and Davis Webb will never get the chance to be his heir apparent.
All we really know about Davis Webb's probability of success in the NFL is that the previous regime thought him worthy of a late 3rd round pick in 2017 and that the current regime thought it wise to spend a 4th round pick on a QB in 2018 despite having him and Eli on the roster. The rest is just public relations.
Absolutely. Not every question will be answered in the preseason but we will get some answers. You can tell a lot by hiw he commands the team, runs the offense, runs the two minute drill. He'll also be surrounded by inferior OL talent so there will still be a lot of questions unanswered as well.
As far as Eli goes, I'd be shocked if they gave him an extension. I love Eli but he'll be, what, 38 at the time? I doubt that happens. At that point they will have to make a commitment to Webb or Lauletta or another QB in FA or the draft. Eli would have to be amazing for that to happen. I wouldn't rule that out. I still think he has plenty left right now. At 38? We'll see. I'm glad they have options right now and I'm glad Shurmur is letting Webb and Lauletta get into it right away instead of what occurred last year.
I picture someone wearing an ascot and monocle.
Mary, youve got spunk! I hate spunk
- Lou (not Bud) Grant
After the bad news with Sam Beal hopefully one of these younger guys step up enough to make the squad .
No doubt they will sign another vet or two before regular season starts .