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| Adam Schefter & #8207; Verified account @AdamSchefter Following Following @AdamSchefter Sam Darnold “has a very fair shot” of winning Jets’ starting QB job for regular-season opener, per sources. He has to keep progressing, preseason will be critical, and he probably is a year away, when he turns 22. But Jets love what they see and he has a legit chance to win job. |
Darnold may win the starting job. He may sit a year. Anything is possible.
Now, the note to take here is the Jets don't exactly have an Eli sitting there to take the reigns in 2018.
As far as NYG is concerned, I like the marriage of all the separate moves they made together. I never wanted a QB in the 1st round, and now that we are where we are I'm even more convinced we played our cards right.
Hire the QB/offensive expert, gear up in the short term for your HOF QB by drafting BPA (Barkley), continue to invest in and develop your talented 3rd round pick from the year before and also add another arm into the mix.
the butthurt is strong with this one
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and the Giants will look like fools in a few years for passing on him. Browns too. But it will be much worse for us sharing a stadium with one of the NFL's elite QBs.
the butthurt is strong with this one
And if i turn out to be right?
Don't forget that Mark Sanchez has two Championship game appearances.
Fans didn't think he sucked until he didn't have a D to carry him anymore.
Now, their own fans call him atrocious. LOLJets
If he would benefit from sitting, as all the scouting reports seemed to indicate he would, would you advocate for starting him anyway, week 1? Trial by fire?
Don't forget that Mark Sanchez has two Championship game appearances.
Fans didn't think he sucked until he didn't have a D to carry him anymore.
Now, their own fans call him atrocious. LOLJets
Don't forget an elite offensive line and a very good running game.
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and the Giants will look like fools in a few years for passing on him. Browns too. But it will be much worse for us sharing a stadium with one of the NFL's elite QBs.
the butthurt is strong with this one
And if i turn out to be right?
which is nice...
Look, like the GMS and scounts paid to make these decisions I could certainly be wrong. I thought Darnold was a slam dunk. If he becomes a franchise QB i dont care what Barkley does the giants fudged up.
Look, like the GMS and scounts paid to make these decisions I could certainly be wrong. I thought Darnold was a slam dunk. If he becomes a franchise QB i dont care what Barkley does the giants fudged up.
That's your opinion and time will tell if you're right. I also wanted Darnold but Barkley is the player the Giants liked more. They clearly are not convinced that Darnold is a franchise QB.
Constantly criticizing the Giants for passing on Darnold is borderline trolling. You've made your point perfectly clear. If you're a Giants fan you should hope that Barkley is the generational talent that he is expected to be.
Look, like the GMS and scounts paid to make these decisions I could certainly be wrong. I thought Darnold was a slam dunk. If he becomes a franchise QB i dont care what Barkley does the giants fudged up.
The decision was made. It's going to be years before we know whether it was the right one or not. We get it, you and many others would have taken Darnold or Rosen or Allen, etc. What good does it do to constantly whine about it?
Look, like the GMS and scounts paid to make these decisions I could certainly be wrong. I thought Darnold was a slam dunk. If he becomes a franchise QB i dont care what Barkley does the giants fudged up.
You're still on this? The Giants took the best player on their board. They have Eli who they believe can play for another 2-3 years at a high level. I don't get why some people continue to line up their opinion vs those who do it for a living and actually have the power to make the calls. We get it you wanted a QB, any QB. Didn't happen. Darnold is a jet, feel free to root for them this year. They have what QB snacks thinks is a franchise qb so it must be true. Jets will be champs before long.
Again, we took Barkley and I'm good with it. We don't have to panic about QB for another 2 years....
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Darnold will start week 1. There will be growing pains but he's a totally different animal than the atrocious Sanchez and Smith who just flat out didn't have the skills, tools, intellect and passion of Darnold
If he would benefit from sitting, as all the scouting reports seemed to indicate he would, would you advocate for starting him anyway, week 1? Trial by fire?
That's not what the scouting reports said. I've read them all on Darnold and they really don't mention how he should start his career and which philosophy is best.
Perhaps the Jets were leaning towards sitting him for half a season or so but in OTA's and whatever short training camp he's had he's really blown them away with how fast he learns and the progress he's making. His release which was considered something he needed to work on has now been totally cleaned up and clocked as fast, his accuracy is amazing either from the pocket or on the run. He makes wow throws every practice. If he makes a mistake he doesn't tend to repeat it
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I'd love to know how not drafting a Franchise QB would be right for us?
Look, like the GMS and scounts paid to make these decisions I could certainly be wrong. I thought Darnold was a slam dunk. If he becomes a franchise QB i dont care what Barkley does the giants fudged up.
That's your opinion and time will tell if you're right. I also wanted Darnold but Barkley is the player the Giants liked more. They clearly are not convinced that Darnold is a franchise QB.
Constantly criticizing the Giants for passing on Darnold is borderline trolling. You've made your point perfectly clear. If you're a Giants fan you should hope that Barkley is the generational talent that he is expected to be.
Define constantly criticizing the giants? I've never started a thread on it. When the topic comes up I share my opinion. IF that's trolling you're basically saying you cant share unpopular opinions about the giants on a message board intended to discuss the team.
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and the Giants will look like fools in a few years for passing on him. Browns too. But it will be much worse for us sharing a stadium with one of the NFL's elite QBs.
the butthurt is strong with this one
It would have been worse if we drafted Darnold and let Lyle L get away.
Meanwhile we got the steal of the draft, a RB, WR, and olineman in one SB.
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I'd love to know how not drafting a Franchise QB would be right for us?
Look, like the GMS and scounts paid to make these decisions I could certainly be wrong. I thought Darnold was a slam dunk. If he becomes a franchise QB i dont care what Barkley does the giants fudged up.
That's your opinion and time will tell if you're right. I also wanted Darnold but Barkley is the player the Giants liked more. They clearly are not convinced that Darnold is a franchise QB.
Constantly criticizing the Giants for passing on Darnold is borderline trolling. You've made your point perfectly clear. If you're a Giants fan you should hope that Barkley is the generational talent that he is expected to be.
At this point, it’s pretty senseless to continue debating whether not taking Darnold was the right choice. I was a big proponent of taking a qb round 1, they didn’t, so I hope Barkley becomes the best running back in the league and Manning can lead them to top once again.
The Giants may very well find themselves in qb hell again in 3 seasons if Webb doesn’t work out. I hope he does, but he could be Kent Graham 2.0. If that’s the case, there’s nothing stopping the Giants from making a big draft day move in the future for another qb. Until then, I’m hoping for the best.
It’s the jets. They are always thinking one step sideways.
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I'd love to know how not drafting a Franchise QB would be right for us?
Look, like the GMS and scounts paid to make these decisions I could certainly be wrong. I thought Darnold was a slam dunk. If he becomes a franchise QB i dont care what Barkley does the giants fudged up.
That's your opinion and time will tell if you're right. I also wanted Darnold but Barkley is the player the Giants liked more. They clearly are not convinced that Darnold is a franchise QB.
Constantly criticizing the Giants for passing on Darnold is borderline trolling. You've made your point perfectly clear. If you're a Giants fan you should hope that Barkley is the generational talent that he is expected to be.
At this point, it’s pretty senseless to continue debating whether not taking Darnold was the right choice. I was a big proponent of taking a qb round 1, they didn’t, so I hope Barkley becomes the best running back in the league and Manning can lead them to top once again.
The Giants may very well find themselves in qb hell again in 3 seasons if Webb doesn’t work out. I hope he does, but he could be Kent Graham 2.0. If that’s the case, there’s nothing stopping the Giants from making a big draft day move in the future for another qb. Until then, I’m hoping for the best.
They've got Lauletta as well, so they've hedged their bets a little.
Look, like the GMS and scounts paid to make these decisions I could certainly be wrong. I thought Darnold was a slam dunk. If he becomes a franchise QB i dont care what Barkley does the giants fudged up.
Shut. The. Hell. Up.
Perhaps the Jets were leaning towards sitting him for half a season or so but in OTA's and whatever short training camp he's had he's really blown them away with how fast he learns and the progress he's making. His release which was considered something he needed to work on has now been totally cleaned up and clocked as fast, his accuracy is amazing either from the pocket or on the run. He makes wow throws every practice. If he makes a mistake he doesn't tend to repeat it
Changing throwing mechanics does not happen overnight. In practice it can look good but once the games start and the pressure is in his face he will revert to his old mechanics.
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I'd love to know how not drafting a Franchise QB would be right for us?
Look, like the GMS and scounts paid to make these decisions I could certainly be wrong. I thought Darnold was a slam dunk. If he becomes a franchise QB i dont care what Barkley does the giants fudged up.
Shut. The. Hell. Up.
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Define constantly criticizing the giants? I've never started a thread on it. When the topic comes up I share my opinion. IF that's trolling you're basically saying you cant share unpopular opinions about the giants on a message board intended to discuss the team.
You can share unpopular opinions but saying the same thing over and over again in different threads is ridiculous. What does starting a thread have to do with anything? You've made your point, we get it you wanted Darnold. I did too but it's over now so let's wait and see what happens.
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I'd love to know how not drafting a Franchise QB would be right for us?
Look, like the GMS and scounts paid to make these decisions I could certainly be wrong. I thought Darnold was a slam dunk. If he becomes a franchise QB i dont care what Barkley does the giants fudged up.
Shut. The. Hell. Up.
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Dude every thread. Fine. Move the fuck on.
It’s not like there won’t be anymore qbs coming out of college and here’s a mindblowing probability that the qb talkies like yourself can’t process: even if darnold is very good or even great, that doesn’t guarantee that the giants and darnold win a super bowl together. It doesn’t guarantee shit actually.
Darnold or Allen or Rosen will likely play well and every single idiot with a voice will insist that the giants just threw away a super bowl or two.
This topic has already reached ridiculously stupid levels of debate and it’s not even fucking September.
- Keep posting the same tired responses over and over again regarding passing on Darnold even on threads where it isn't applicable
- Former poster reincarnated who tries to pass themselves off as a new board member
- Going onto threads to complain about other aspects when the topic isn't applicable trying to generate a response.
Frankly, what part of that isn't trolling??
You need to get over the fact that you dont control this board and the opinions on it. I'm allowed to share mine even if you dont like it. That's the whole point of the website.
With that in mind criticizing me for commenting on "EVERY SINGLE THREAD" is inaccurate. Get your facts straight.
I pointed out on another thread a few days ago that Eli has thrown more passes in the NFL than John Elway, Warren Moon, and Vinny Testaverde...guys that played forever. If Eli never throws another pass he's had an unusually long career. That is wonderful and he is my favorite Giant ever, but the truth is that he could hit the wall at any time. Any injury he sustains is going to be tougher to recover from and maintain peak performance.
I think the Giants are in risky territory here. While there's no question Eli Manning in 2018 is a better route to contention than Sam Darnold (or one of his draft classmates), the end could come at any time.
Between the age of the GM, the age of the QB, new coaching staff, and high investments in a RB and impending monster WR contract there are realistic scenarios where the whole thing has to be blown up in 2 or 3 years.
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Perhaps the Jets were leaning towards sitting him for half a season or so but in OTA's and whatever short training camp he's had he's really blown them away with how fast he learns and the progress he's making. His release which was considered something he needed to work on has now been totally cleaned up and clocked as fast, his accuracy is amazing either from the pocket or on the run. He makes wow throws every practice. If he makes a mistake he doesn't tend to repeat it
Changing throwing mechanics does not happen overnight. In practice it can look good but once the games start and the pressure is in his face he will revert to his old mechanics.
This has been an evolution that started in his freshman year when he held the ball too low and had a looping delivery. His release improved last season and has continued to improve and quicken.
He did a sportscience show last year which clocked his new release as being quicker than Winston and Derek Carr. And since that point it's improved even more.
Guess we'll see what happens when the games are for real but he threw the ball very well at the green and white scrimmage.
Barkley might end up being overrated or out of the league entirely in a few years.
For all we know, the best pick was the DE, and not either the RB or QB.
This will be a great point of debate, either with a huge sigh of relief or loud groans of pain, but not for a few years at least. Until then, all we can do is sit and wait.
Look, like the GMS and scounts paid to make these decisions I could certainly be wrong. I thought Darnold was a slam dunk.
QB Snacks and his slam dunk -
From what he's shown already it's hard to imagine him not being one. He processes information incredibly quickly and has a super high football IQ as well as natural instincts and feel for the game. Get the feeling he would've been great at whatever career he chose.
I've never seen the Jets this euphoric over any player we've drafted ever. At any position. Not even Revis or Keyshawn
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I thought Darnold was a slam dunk.
From what he's shown already it's hard to imagine him not being one. He processes information incredibly quickly and has a super high football IQ as well as natural instincts and feel for the game. Get the feeling he would've been great at whatever career he chose.
I've never seen the Jets this euphoric over any player we've drafted ever. At any position. Not even Revis or Keyshawn
I don't love Darnold's mechanics - he reminds me of Byron Leftwich with how far down below his waist the ball travels during his windup. I expect he'll fumble the ball quite a bit over the course of his career, and I wonder if he'll ever evolve to a point where he's doing his best work as a pure pocket passer.
That said, I think the game is changing and beginning to favor QBs that can both make plays out of the pocket and off schedule. Carson Wentz, for example, doesn't impress me from the pocket. Broken plays, though, are another matter entirely. I think the reasons for this change leaguewide are various:
- rules changes favoring offense
- college football producing poorer offensive linemen
- larger, superior athletes gravitating towards WR/TE over CB/S
- limited practice time shifting influence away from designed plays and towards individual ability
So I think that while Darnold's got issues, his strengths align with what I perceive to be going on in the NFL right now.
I think the Giants are in risky territory here. While there's no question Eli Manning in 2018 is a better route to contention than Sam Darnold (or one of his draft classmates), the end could come at any time.
I don't disagree at all with your concerns here. But I do feel a bit better to know that the head coach is a guy who made Case Keenum look really good last year. And that was despite losing Dalvin Cook to injury early in the season.
I want Eli to thrive for a few more years. But a part of me is intrigued to see what Shurmur can do with Webb and Lauletta.
cmon man
I don't love Darnold's mechanics - he reminds me of Byron Leftwich with how far down below his waist the ball travels during his windup. I expect he'll fumble the ball quite a bit over the course of his career, and I wonder if he'll ever evolve to a point where he's doing his best work as a pure pocket passer.
That said, I think the game is changing and beginning to favor QBs that can both make plays out of the pocket and off schedule. Carson Wentz, for example, doesn't impress me from the pocket. Broken plays, though, are another matter entirely. I think the reasons for this change leaguewide are various:
- rules changes favoring offense
- college football producing poorer offensive linemen
- larger, superior athletes gravitating towards WR/TE over CB/S
- limited practice time shifting influence away from designed plays and towards individual ability
So I think that while Darnold's got issues, his strengths align with what I perceive to be going on in the NFL right now.
Very good analysis. Cosell is respected and sometimes I feel too much of a hard grader, but he makes a lot of good points
I'd say Darnold is weird in how accurately he can throw the ball with velocity despite inconsistent footwork while in the pocket. Though I'd rather it be eliminated from his game entirely it hasn't really hurt him as much as you'd expect, but it's not a positive