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| Being a part of a mob that calls for someone else’s firing over old comments is sort of like throwing gasoline on your neighbor’s house while it burns and expecting the fire not to reach your door. We are all vulnerable to this mob fury. Twitter has 336 million active users, but it’s not just tweets that can get you fired. Everyone who has shared an opinion online — on a podcast, a blog or anywhere that can be screenshotted, copied or recorded — is a potential target. If you think you’re safe, think again. Sacco had just 170 followers; the tweet still ruined her life. No one is too anonymous. No tweet is too old. The more we make businesses pay attention to an online reaction, by directly calling for a firing or cheering on those who do, the easier it’ll be to get someone fired in the future. If a bunch of keyboard warriors out for blood can influence companies to ax employees over old jokes, then we’re all in jeopardy. If you’ve been online for any significant period of time, you’ve probably either said or will say something that, in or out of context, could be used to embarrass you in front of a potential employer. No one who helps build a guillotine imagines that one day their head will be on that chopping block. |
The KKK preaching that people of color are inferior might regrettably be covered. But when these groups are using these platforms to assemble and use force to cause disruption and harm - they lose their first amendment protection.
Alex Jones egging on his legion of morons to harass Sandy Hook victims, Antifa, etc. - no better.
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has not yet concluded, making blanket statements about the degree to which a foreign entity had no influence over the election is premature at best...
Except it has been stated by several competing entities that there is no evidence that anyone was influenced and it has been acknowledged that not a single vote was changed.
But that is ok, keep hoping...
Sounds very scientific...
Of course, 45 says you shouldn't listen to those guys, the Russians themselves said they didn't do it.
We're at war electronically now - and people still don't get it. Our next war will take place economically and online, and we are rapidly losing ground to the Russians of all people, and that's mostly because the average American is so ass backwards when it comes to technology it's not funny.
I find the KKK disgusting, just like ISIS, and flag burning makes my blood boil, but the fact people have a right to be those things or do those things or say those things is part of what makes us America.
Also the mass rejection of those hateful opinions by the overwhelming majority and keeping them on the fringes contributes to making us a great country too.
And none of those opinions, when shared, should come without consequences which brings us full circle to the OP.
The mob. People keep trying to set that line that can't be crossed to things they don't like or disagree with.
Oliver Wendell Holmes said it well:
As did George Washington, and never in my life have these thoughts/quotes been as relevant as they are today. IMO.
Strategic release is not the point. The point is how the released information was obtained.
A "hot mic" recording is not equal to hacking someone's computer.
Of course, 45 says you shouldn't listen to those guys, the Russians themselves said they didn't do it.
We're at war electronically now - and people still don't get it. Our next war will take place economically and online, and we are rapidly losing ground to the Russians of all people, and that's mostly because the average American is so ass backwards when it comes to technology it's not funny.
Interfered with, meddled with, all likely true, but influenced the results of is where the debate comes and of course the "collusion" which is what Mueller has been investigating for 15 months.
To whatever extent they did influence, that was a warning shot. And who's to say that they stop there - elections all around the country are moving to electronic platforms that we have already seen evidence of foreign nations (not just Russia) trying to compromise.
We can't just walk away from this one and say 'hey, the election process sucks elsewhere, what's one more problem'.
As for collusion - that will be a big problem if there's actual proof. I don't see how anyone could make the argument that it's not treason, but that's a separate debate. We need to be less concerned with the past here and more alarmed about the future.
To whatever extent they did influence, that was a warning shot. And who's to say that they stop there - elections all around the country are moving to electronic platforms that we have already seen evidence of foreign nations (not just Russia) trying to compromise.
We can't just walk away from this one and say 'hey, the election process sucks elsewhere, what's one more problem'.
As for collusion - that will be a big problem if there's actual proof. I don't see how anyone could make the argument that it's not treason, but that's a separate debate. We need to be less concerned with the past here and more alarmed about the future.
The problem will be that a segment of the population won't believe the proof even if it is blatant and obvious...
Watch what happens if oil drops back below 50.
To whatever extent they did influence, that was a warning shot. And who's to say that they stop there - elections all around the country are moving to electronic platforms that we have already seen evidence of foreign nations (not just Russia) trying to compromise.
We can't just walk away from this one and say 'hey, the election process sucks elsewhere, what's one more problem'.
As for collusion - that will be a big problem if there's actual proof. I don't see how anyone could make the argument that it's not treason, but that's a separate debate. We need to be less concerned with the past here and more alarmed about the future.
I don't want to go too far down this rabbit hole, but this absolute assurance that THE but for cause of failure in '16 was the Russians is not helping to address the myriad other causes of that failure. It was a one-off thing, but the surest way to make it a two-off thing is to pat yourself on the back and say "we did nothing wrong..."
Of course, 45 says you shouldn't listen to those guys, the Russians themselves said they didn't do it.
We're at war electronically now - and people still don't get it. Our next war will take place economically and online, and we are rapidly losing ground to the Russians of all people, and that's mostly because the average American is so ass backwards when it comes to technology it's not funny.
They have also indicted Russians and indicated that their is no evidence of hacking or election interence knowing that these trials will never occur. Like indicting the tooth fairy. For the record, the russians, chinese, israel have been cyber spying for quite some time. Our country is doing the same...don't be so naive and co-opting this for your political bias. The left is covering up their actions by creating a new "monster" under the bed to fix their loss of influence in government. Its no different than the same crap we here on this board after a bad season, blame something. What we need right now is a house cleaning in government to remove the corruption. It is starting now. We see resignations, firings, and congress that are no longer interested in their seats. The light is on now, and the roaches are visible.
The FACT that Russia had waged a propaganda attack on our elections should alarm EVERY American. That some Americans are not concerned about this says a lot about their so-called patriotism and love of our democratic institutions.
Between the rumors, innuendo, and facts about the dossier being funded by the DNC, provided by McCain, the FBI running sting operations against the trump admin up to the inauguration, the obama admin doing nothing (or at least very little in the eyes of the public) and even blocking attempts by leading politicians to go public about it, it's a f-ing mess.
The FACT that Russia had waged a propaganda attack on our elections should alarm EVERY American. That some Americans are not concerned about this says a lot about their so-called patriotism and love of our democratic institutions.
Did someone say patriotism?
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One can believe that future attempts need to be stopped while still believing that the story has been overblown with overly dramatic references to democracy being threatened and the sacred electoral process under fire.
And again. Hacking into voting machines is threatening the electoral process. Feeding a bunch of idiots fake stories isn't.
And if we're really tossing naivete out there - evidence also exists that the Russian influence extends back well before the Presidential election, with the previous administration having visibility to the threat.
Between the rumors, innuendo, and facts about the dossier being funded by the DNC, provided by McCain, the FBI running sting operations against the trump admin up to the inauguration, the obama admin doing nothing (or at least very little in the eyes of the public) and even blocking attempts by leading politicians to go public about it, it's a f-ing mess.
The Obama administration blocked attempts by leading politicians to go public? On what planet?
One can believe that future attempts need to be stopped while still believing that the story has been overblown with overly dramatic references to democracy being threatened and the sacred electoral process under fire.
And again. Hacking into voting machines is threatening the electoral process. Feeding a bunch of idiots fake stories isn't.
And if we're really tossing naivete out there - evidence also exists that the Russian influence extends back well before the Presidential election, with the previous administration having visibility to the threat.
Maybe you're problem should be with Mitch McConnell then who blocked the Obama administration from issuing a warning about it.
My point is that naivete is as rife as the faux panic of the imminent destruction of the sacred electoral process.
My point is that naivete is as rife as the faux panic of the imminent destruction of the sacred electoral process.
Faux panic. Okey doke.
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will ever know the truth. It's really hard to know who to trust or believe. Nothing makes sense and a lot contradicts each other.
Between the rumors, innuendo, and facts about the dossier being funded by the DNC, provided by McCain, the FBI running sting operations against the trump admin up to the inauguration, the obama admin doing nothing (or at least very little in the eyes of the public) and even blocking attempts by leading politicians to go public about it, it's a f-ing mess.
The Obama administration blocked attempts by leading politicians to go public? On what planet?
Right here on Earth. Apparently not the planet you live on.
You are part right about McConnell, only McConnell wanted no part in a bipartisan report. He had zero ability to block any statements whatsoever by Obama. That's silly to think otherwise. Obama blocked Comey.
From an NPR report...
But that didn't stop then-Senate Minority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev., from alluding publicly to the Russian campaign in a letter to then-FBI Director James Comey. And Comey reportedly wanted to announce the active measures in an op-ed column, as Newsweek reported in March 2017. Two sources with knowledge about the matter told Newsweek that Obama administration officials blocked the effort.
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Our next war will take place economically and online, and we are rapidly losing ground to the Russians of all people.
Watch what happens if oil drops back below 50.
We are rapidly losing ground to the Russians economically? In what sector?
The FACT that Russia had waged a propaganda attack on our elections should alarm EVERY American. That some Americans are not concerned about this says a lot about their so-called patriotism and love of our democratic institutions.
Are you equally outraged or only selectively that our country has done the same to Israel, France and others. My point again is that this standard biz operation, but only in focus when HRC lost, otherwise it would have never been reported or in focus....All intel and military investments are geared toward cyber warfare now.
You can't be serious with this post. Heard of Scott Pruitt? Wilbur Ross? Ryan Zinke? Tom Price?
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As far as some of the other issues discussed above, I'm concerned that bigotry, misinformed resentments and fear have taken the place of wisdom, open-mindedness and compassion for many in our society.
The FACT that Russia had waged a propaganda attack on our elections should alarm EVERY American. That some Americans are not concerned about this says a lot about their so-called patriotism and love of our democratic institutions.
Are you equally outraged or only selectively that our country has done the same to Israel, France and others. My point again is that this standard biz operation, but only in focus when HRC lost, otherwise it would have never been reported or in focus....All intel and military investments are geared toward cyber warfare now.
This is SOP? What examples do you have of the Russians or any other foreign entity having successfully tampered with our elections prior to this that qualifies you to make that statement?
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Our next war will take place economically and online, and we are rapidly losing ground to the Russians of all people.
Watch what happens if oil drops back below 50.
We are rapidly losing ground to the Russians economically? In what sector?
We're losing ground in the cyber war to the Russians. Wait until the next time you have a credit card compromised or someone pulls a loan request in your name, and let me know what foreign country your money ended up in. That's when they're not meddling in our elections.
Economically - if you've missed all of the wonderful trade wars we've been engaging in lately - the adversary referred to there is obviously China.
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What we need right now is a house cleaning in government to remove the corruption. It is starting now.
You can't be serious with this post. Heard of Scott Pruitt? Wilbur Ross? Ryan Zinke? Tom Price?
Yes, thanks for confirming my point, although a biased response. Can't wait till we find McCains name on that FISA.
My point is that naivete is as rife as the faux panic of the imminent destruction of the sacred electoral process.
So the implication is that unless there's 'imminent destruction' we shouldn't do anything about it? Or by jokingly calling it 'sacred' do you mean that it's already fucked so we shouldn't care?
Go let the folks in San Francisco know, those fuckers have been wasting their money building earthquake proof buildings for nothing, who knows how imminent the next quake is.
Define successfully.
The only way you can claim successfully is by assuming that the outcome would be different that what it was.
Ask the average American about the Russian impact and they'll likely believe Trump was behind it, that we have a grievous situation on our hands and that it is the first time this kind of thing has happened.
Just to point out how dominant the story is a Media Tracker reported that the Russian election hack and/or probe has been one of the top 3 news stories on NBC 78% of the days in the past year.
Even with the shootings, natural disasters, celebrity deaths and the MeToo movement, it still was front and center the majority of the time.
Ask the average American about the Russian impact and they'll likely believe Trump was behind it, that we have a grievous situation on our hands and that it is the first time this kind of thing has happened.
Just to point out how dominant the story is a Media Tracker reported that the Russian election hack and/or probe has been one of the top 3 news stories on NBC 78% of the days in the past year.
Even with the shootings, natural disasters, celebrity deaths and the MeToo movement, it still was front and center the majority of the time.
The president of the United States, his senior advirsors, and his children may have accepted he aid of a foreign adversary in his election. I guess the news should lead with the white sale at Macy’s or an old lady who found a trout in her toilet.
It get close to what I think would be better solution for people like Alex Jones.
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of times on this thread alone that of course we should safeguard the election. That's a separate topic than the severity this has been made out to be.
Ask the average American about the Russian impact and they'll likely believe Trump was behind it, that we have a grievous situation on our hands and that it is the first time this kind of thing has happened.
Just to point out how dominant the story is a Media Tracker reported that the Russian election hack and/or probe has been one of the top 3 news stories on NBC 78% of the days in the past year.
Even with the shootings, natural disasters, celebrity deaths and the MeToo movement, it still was front and center the majority of the time.
The president of the United States, his senior advirsors, and his children may have accepted he aid of a foreign adversary in his election. I guess the news should lead with the white sale at Macy’s or an old lady who found a trout in her toilet.
He didn't say it shouldn't be covered, but a lead story 78% of the time is overkill. And beyond the subjects he mentioned you can add Venezuela, Nicaragua, Iran, Ukraine and a whole lot more.
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What we need right now is a house cleaning in government to remove the corruption. It is starting now.
You can't be serious with this post. Heard of Scott Pruitt? Wilbur Ross? Ryan Zinke? Tom Price?
Yes, thanks for confirming my point, although a biased response.
I'm not following. You said that a house-cleaning of government corruption is starting now, but the four extremely corrupt people I named were given cabinet positions by the current occupier of the Oval Office. Two of them are still on board, one of whom is facing a $120 million grifting scandal.
How did I confirm your point?
Before you read the story, if you haven't already, watch the video and tell me what would violate reasonable terms of service for this video? Maybe it's obvious, maybe not, even without a facebook account, I've seen much, much worse than this linked on facebook.
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Before you read the story, if you haven't already, watch the video and tell me what would violate reasonable terms of service for this video? Maybe it's obvious, maybe not, even without a facebook account, I've seen much, much worse than this linked on facebook.
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If she finished 2nd in the California open primary system she's not tilting at windmills. I don't have a Facebook account, but if they allow screen shots or links to the first 20 minutes of "Saving Private Ryan" then denying this is a travesty.
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republican candidate for congress in CA had the linked ad banned by Facebook. I think she's got very little chance to win, but stuff like this certainly hurts. if she has to remake an entire video to circulate it.
Before you read the story, if you haven't already, watch the video and tell me what would violate reasonable terms of service for this video? Maybe it's obvious, maybe not, even without a facebook account, I've seen much, much worse than this linked on facebook.
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If she finished 2nd in the California open primary system she's not tilting at windmills. I don't have a Facebook account, but if they allow screen shots or links to the first 20 minutes of "Saving Private Ryan" then denying this is a travesty.
The link I posted is the youtube video. I guess she has a chance, but she's battling s 14 year incumbent Democrat in CA. that's a tall order.
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The link I posted is the youtube video. I guess she has a chance, but she's battling s 14 year incumbent Democrat in CA. that's a tall order.
The first 20 second is a horror show of gruesome dead bodies. Get real.
what did you expect?
I will say for the most part despite some snarkiness from most involved the thread has remained civil, people made their point, listened to others and replied. Maybe no one changed anyone's mind, maybe someone thinks about things a little differently or tries to see things from a slightly different perspective. Either way, there was no harm done in my mind.
this thread will be deleted eventually, and probably violated the sites TOS, but I think discussions like this, among people who disagree, have to happen civilly or progress definitely won't be made. To the extent people can disagree without punitive action for that disagreement the better off we are as a society.
If you want to discuss genuinely partisan stuff (which this clearly became), do it on social media. This place is best left free of it.
You can appeal a video rejection with Facebook, but I’m sure she got a lot more publicity and views via the outrage route.
You can appeal a video rejection with Facebook, but I’m sure she got a lot more publicity and views via the outrage route.
She appealed and was denied. I have seen much worse on Facebook.
Sticks and stones may break your bones and in today's age, words can fuck your life up worse.
I'll tell you what, I've got a daughter who I bring to Giants games, and if someone yells "fuck her in the pussy", I would hope that consequences would be severe. Otherwise, how else would these fucking idiots learn.
You are worried about these people losing their jobs for a supposed one time slip up, but for me, that should stop them right in their tracks, and hopefully that will put some fear into other knuckleheads as well.
If you want to discuss genuinely partisan stuff (which this clearly became), do it on social media. This place is best left free of it.
So once you found the content of the thread to be uncomfortable for you why didn't you just stay off the thread?
Even if Eric was 100% right to ban political threads.
I mean if the thread was deleted no one would have been surprised, but I'm always a little surprised to see grown men or women complain about content of a thread or discussion on the Internet that they don't have to view.
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republican candidate for congress in CA had the linked ad banned by Facebook. I think she's got very little chance to win, but stuff like this certainly hurts. if she has to remake an entire video to circulate it.
Before you read the story, if you haven't already, watch the video and tell me what would violate reasonable terms of service for this video? Maybe it's obvious, maybe not, even without a facebook account, I've seen much, much worse than this linked on facebook.
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If she finished 2nd in the California open primary system she's not tilting at windmills. I don't have a Facebook account, but if they allow screen shots or links to the first 20 minutes of "Saving Private Ryan" then denying this is a travesty.
Hang on - are you really comparing a movie and simulated violence to photos of real gore?
That should be enough to prompt you to walk away from the keyboard, take a deep breath, and reconsider. These should be photos from a horror reel, not a campaign ad.
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transparently political, and partisan, with predictable people adopting predictable positions.
what did you expect?
I will say for the most part despite some snarkiness from most involved the thread has remained civil, people made their point, listened to others and replied. Maybe no one changed anyone's mind, maybe someone thinks about things a little differently or tries to see things from a slightly different perspective. Either way, there was no harm done in my mind.
this thread will be deleted eventually, and probably violated the sites TOS, but I think discussions like this, among people who disagree, have to happen civilly or progress definitely won't be made. To the extent people can disagree without punitive action for that disagreement the better off we are as a society.
That the first thing you said that I agree with in this entire post...