Rapoport on Giants-OBJ negotiatons....

basically calling espn liars

Given to Cooks, Watkins and Landry, we'll be hard pressed to not be paying him $17-20 per. Landry got 75 over 5!!!! He's a run of the mill slot WR who gets junk yardage and rarely impacts a game. Cooks got what, 81 over 5 years?

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Mike Garafolo Retweeted Ian Rapoport

The Giants are known as a team that usually doesn�t waste too much time with lowball offers so this isn�t surprising. This indicates they�re already above Antonio Brown�s $17m per year.

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The tradeoff with a strong start from the team is they often don�t stray far from where they began. So if the current numbers for Beckham and Sandhu aren�t close enough to their liking, this might take time. In the end, something $18m per year-ish seems reasonable.

Josina is not a credible source and just looks for attention

In comment 14030817 BigBlue4You09 said:

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Josina is not a credible source and just looks for attention

she is already back tracking...

In comment 14030811 Eric from BBI said:

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Mike Garafolo ‏Verified account @MikeGarafolo 5m5 minutes ago Mike Garafolo Retweeted Ian Rapoport The Giants are known as a team that usually doesn�t waste too much time with lowball offers so this isn�t surprising. This indicates they�re already above Antonio Brown�s $17m per year.

I don't understand why any team low balls. Maybe it's a different type of negotiation but one of the first things you learn in negotiation classes is to not low ball the other side.

"we know what it will take to sign OBJ". I believe they are closer than we are led to believe. 5 years, $90 Million seems to be the neighborhood. Sticking point I would assume is how much is guaranteed and how is it paid out.

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"we know what it will take to sign OBJ". I believe they are closer than we are led to believe. 5 years, $90 Million seems to be the neighborhood. Sticking point I would assume is how much is guaranteed and how is it paid out.

maybe also talk of ripping up this years deal

Exactly what I've been saying for a while now. 18 is the number.

...given Antonio Brown's $17M/year extension. Where there is more wiggle room is when it comes to guaranteed money, how it's doled out (i.e., signing bonus, guaranteed salary), and what kind of behavior voids those guarantees. OBJ will prefer signing bonus to future guaranteed salary because it's a lot more difficult to retrieve bonus money he already received than it is to void guaranteed money he's yet to receive should he get suspended or get arrested or whatever else may be included in the contract as a safeguard.

Some of you may recall when Plaxico sued the Giants for deferred payments they failed to make after he shot himself in the leg. He won the case, which surprised me, but the point is the more money, whether guaranteed or not, that he receives later in the contract than at the contract's signing, the more leverage the Giants have if there is a difference of opinion on what voids guarantees and what doesn't.

In comment 14030817 BigBlue4You09 said:

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Josina is not a credible source and just looks for attention

She's credible. The issue is that by namedropping sammy watkins, it invites the uninformed listener to assume that it's a comparison of players. It probably was an attention-seeking move.

But compared to his peers, OBJ should be be equal with AB.

The deal will get done before the season. I'm not going to live & die with each tweet. Both sides want to commit long term.

5-6 years, two thirds guaranteed is the rate

the guaranteed money and how it's spread out is probably what OBJ and Gettleman are haggling over

In comment 14030869 nygiants16 said:

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In comment 14030863 johnnyb said: Quote: "we know what it will take to sign OBJ". I believe they are closer than we are led to believe. 5 years, $90 Million seems to be the neighborhood. Sticking point I would assume is how much is guaranteed and how is it paid out. maybe also talk of ripping up this years deal

It would be a huge surprise if they don't rip up this year's contract in the process, since the new deal will likely come with a lower cap number in year one. The team needs some wiggle room for in-season personnel moves.

move money around on his current deal, convert some existing money to bonuses, and create more cap room right now.

In fact given that they're right on the salary cap limit as it stands, it seems like that's what they're intending to do.

Suspect they're not far off, probably more about locking in the guarantees and the contract language.

there is a cap on how many years you can extend a player. 5 years? 7?

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there is a cap on how many years you can extend a player. 5 years? 7?

The maximum is 7 years, but you really don't see that often. I think Andrew Luck signed a six year extension when he got his big money.

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In comment 14031310 Big Blue '56 said: Quote: there is a cap on how many years you can extend a player. 5 years? 7? The maximum is 7 years, but you really don't see that often. I think Andrew Luck signed a six year extension when he got his big money.

Thank you

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Suspect they're not far off, probably more about locking in the guarantees and the contract language.

Holler!