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Odell "Up for it" to Cleveland per Landry

Joey in VA : 8/6/2018 1:45 pm
I don't trust anyone who says anything regarding Odell except for Odell and I don't always believe him. Now Jarvis Landry thinks Odell would be up for moving from NYC to Cleveland to play for a moribund franchise run by incompetents for decades? Keep dreaming dummo.
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Whoooooo  
UConn4523 : 8/6/2018 1:47 pm : link
Caaaayyyyyyeeeessss
Add to that he'd be moving from the media capital of the world  
BestFeature : 8/6/2018 1:48 pm : link
to...Cleveland.
Even if CLE offers the most $  
Cenotaph : 8/6/2018 1:56 pm : link
I just don't see him going there...I have to think he likes the additional media attention granted from being in a market like NY, which has definitely helped boost his popularity. I mean, compare the recognition to someone like Mike Evans - it's not all just because he's a good player, being good in a big market is a huge boost. That highlight reel one-handed TD catch against DAL helped too.

It's possible he leaves NY, but I wouldn't expect for CLE of BUF - more likely LA, MIA, CHI maybe, but I think the market will matter for him. Let's hope it doesn't come to that.
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arcarsenal : 8/6/2018 2:07 pm : link
Keep dreaming, Jarvis.
I don't think the market matters in the NFL  
Go Terps : 8/6/2018 2:08 pm : link
Beckham already spends a ton of time in LA now, doesn't he? Why would that change if Cleveland is signing his paycheck instead of New York?

I doubt Beckham cares much about playing for the Giants vs. anyone else, same as the majority of the players.
Suddenly, today  
JonC : 8/6/2018 2:09 pm : link
the chatter is flowing to the media, all with the intent of moving the negotiations needle in his favor ...
RE: I don't think the market matters in the NFL  
UConn4523 : 8/6/2018 2:11 pm : link
In comment 14030859 Go Terps said:
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Beckham already spends a ton of time in LA now, doesn't he? Why would that change if Cleveland is signing his paycheck instead of New York?

I doubt Beckham cares much about playing for the Giants vs. anyone else, same as the majority of the players.


I don’t agree. Just look at QBs, no one wants to go there. I don’t think market matters as much anymore, but careers don’t end well in Cleveland, it should be avoidable unless the money was so overwhelming that it didn’t matter.
Why is it so crazy?  
lawguy9801 : 8/6/2018 2:13 pm : link
Odell is not from NY. He spends winters training in LA, and his best friend is in Cleveland on a team that, likely, will be moving up from its doormat status. He has no connection to NY and he'd make the same money wherever he goes.

This is like a few years ago, when NYers couldn't comprehend that LeBron or any sane person would choose Miami over the Knicks.

New Yorkers need to get over themselves a little bit about New York. And I'm from here.

I like Odell as much as any other Giants fan, but I wouldn't be surprised if he leaves for a better contract.
RE: Suddenly, today  
NikkiMac : 8/6/2018 2:17 pm : link
In comment 14030860 JonC said:
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the chatter is flowing to the media, all with the intent of moving the negotiations needle in his favor ...


There you go Jon nipped that one in a bud .......
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arcarsenal : 8/6/2018 2:17 pm : link
Odell isn't going anywhere. The negotiations are going to be a process. But the sides will come together at some point this month and we'll all be able to move on.

He's still under contract with NYG right now. He can't just sign with Cleveland.
RE: Why is it so crazy?  
UConn4523 : 8/6/2018 2:25 pm : link
In comment 14030865 lawguy9801 said:
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Odell is not from NY. He spends winters training in LA, and his best friend is in Cleveland on a team that, likely, will be moving up from its doormat status. He has no connection to NY and he'd make the same money wherever he goes.

This is like a few years ago, when NYers couldn't comprehend that LeBron or any sane person would choose Miami over the Knicks.

New Yorkers need to get over themselves a little bit about New York. And I'm from here.

I like Odell as much as any other Giants fan, but I wouldn't be surprised if he leaves for a better contract.


It’s not that it’s crazy as much as it is a bad business move. Who’s had a storied career in Cleveland in the last outside of Joe Thomas? Most FA that sign there fade away and that’s bad for business. Odell will make money wherever he goes but picking a team with this track record will likely lose him a ton of money long term.
In the last decade  
UConn4523 : 8/6/2018 2:26 pm : link
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If you are a star you can be a star anywhere  
allstarjim : 8/6/2018 3:12 pm : link
The media market thing is totally overblown. Being a Cleveland Cavalier didn't hurt Lebron James one iota.

Peyton Manning was the face of the NFL as an Indianapolis Colt. Aaron Rodgers' marketability isn't hurt because he's a Packer. OBJ could play for any team and he'd do more for the franchise's marketability than he would hurt his own by being there, because he is a superstar, and would be one if he played in Buffalo, Indianapolis, or Jacksonville.
What this ignores  
njm : 8/6/2018 3:19 pm : link

What is Cleveland going to give up for Odell?
Good news guys(at least for some of us).  
Keith : 8/6/2018 3:22 pm : link
OBJ aint goin nowhere. He's gonna be a NY Football Giant for the near future. Enjoy!
RE: Why is it so crazy?  
Greg from LI : 8/6/2018 3:28 pm : link
In comment 14030865 lawguy9801 said:
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on a team that, likely, will be moving up from its doormat status.


I'd definitely adopt a wait and see attitude on that one. The Browns have been a disaster for most of the 20 seasons since they returned to the league.
Based on population alone  
Joey in VA : 8/6/2018 3:44 pm : link
NY is superior for endorsement money, arguing against that ignores regional economic common sense. I am not talking Nike or national anything but local dealerships, banks, businesses around NYC will be more plentiful and have a lot more money to offer than NE Ohio. And I am not a NYer, I just understand how the value of where you ply your trade matters.
Car dealership endorsement money?  
HomerJones45 : 8/6/2018 4:00 pm : link
Please. This isn't 1968 when picking up a couple of grand for a spot boosting Ed's Used Cars in Teaneck was a score. These guys are making tens of millions. They could give a rats ass about picking up $25k for their free time promoting some local beanery.
RE: Car dealership endorsement money?  
Joey in VA : 8/6/2018 4:04 pm : link
In comment 14030982 HomerJones45 said:
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Please. This isn't 1968 when picking up a couple of grand for a spot boosting Ed's Used Cars in Teaneck was a score. These guys are making tens of millions. They could give a rats ass about picking up $25k for their free time promoting some local beanery.
I guess you miss all the Eli Toyota ads and he's not exactly underpaid. Swing and a miss.
In 3 years  
Phil in LA : 8/6/2018 4:09 pm : link
After we franchise him 2x?
RE: RE: Car dealership endorsement money?  
Mad Mike : 8/6/2018 4:20 pm : link
In comment 14030989 Joey in VA said:
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I guess you miss all the Eli Toyota ads and he's not exactly underpaid. Swing and a miss.

That's some quality irony.
Beckham has the largest show contract  
pjcas18 : 8/6/2018 4:22 pm : link
in NFL history, he gets $25M from Nike.

Would he get that same deal in CLE when it expires?

Don't know, but you could make a case NY gives him a higher profile. Opening up millions in more endorsement opportunities than CLE - outside of shoe contracts.

Team success and location I think are the two primary drivers for endorsements.
OBJ is not going anywhere  
Marty866b : 8/6/2018 4:30 pm : link
Anyone who posts ridiculous stuff like OBJ leaving after this season to Cleveland or anywhere else please read Phil in L.A's post above. He's got it right.
No one said he is leaving after this season  
Go Terps : 8/6/2018 4:58 pm : link
It seems pretty obvious that Beckham's people had his LSU buddy make this public statement.
This is probably what happened  
Jay on the Island : 8/6/2018 5:05 pm : link
Landry was talking to his good friend Odell telling him how awesome it would be if they were on the same team again. Odell agrees saying it would be awesome to be reunited all while Odell has no intentions of living in Cleveland. He also knows a long term deal with the Giants is going to happen soon.
RE: OBJ is not going anywhere  
pjcas18 : 8/6/2018 5:41 pm : link
In comment 14031007 Marty866b said:
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Anyone who posts ridiculous stuff like OBJ leaving after this season to Cleveland or anywhere else please read Phil in L.A's post above. He's got it right.


I agree he's not going anywhere, but franchising Beckham two times after paying him the 5th year option would be a ridiculous use of resources by the Giants.

That would mean the Giants paid him 44M guaranteed in three seasons, and then he can bolt, eg they don't get the benefit of upfront guarantees with risk free later seasons.

For example they could have potentially signed him (now) for a 5 year 80M contract with 50M guaranteed (all topping Antonio Brown's deal by a decent margin).

and still have him for another two seasons after the 2nd FT with very little risk if they wanted to front load the contract.

Evidently some of the guys can make some big money on social media  
steve in ky : 8/6/2018 6:40 pm : link
Here are some recent quotes from Sterling Shepard discussing it.

I wonder just how much these guys pull in from this stuff?


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Shepard figures there’s money in social media by building his brand. He is in the third year of the four-year, $5.9 million contract signed as a rookie second-round draft pick. He will be looking for a lucrative second NFL deal. If he gets it, perhaps he will navigate away from social media, he says. Perhaps.

“Do away with all of it, that would be nice,’’ Shepard said. “I wish I didn’t have to do it. Eli has a whole bunch of money, so he’s not really worried about the money part of that. For guys like me, it’s good for me. You think sometimes, ‘If I didn’t have social media, I wouldn’t see some of the nasty comments after a loss or whatever.’ That’s just the way it goes. You kinda have to have tough skin.’’

Beckham headed into training camp alerting his Instagram followers he was stepping off the platform for a while, writing, “For now my focus is to ball and get better everyday!’’ Not much later this summer, Beckham is expected to sign a mega-deal that could approach $100 million. Once he secures it, maybe he backs off on social media entirely.

“I don’t know, he might,’’ Shepard said, before smiling and thinking otherwise. “There still might be a whole bunch of money for him on that.’’


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yeah  
giantfan2000 : 8/6/2018 7:05 pm : link
Why in the hell would OBJ play for a team that was 0-16 last year
when he could play for a team that was 3-13 last year
WE control him this year and next......  
Doomster : 8/6/2018 9:41 pm : link
The Giants do not have to overpay for him......

The average of the top three WR's is 16-16.5M per.....

So 17-18M should do it, 85-90M....the hangup could be the guarantee money....and how much the Giants want to see him in action, before they make their final offer....

If he is talking "qb money", then he gets tagged next year....

RE: No one said he is leaving after this season  
Gatorade Dunk : 8/7/2018 12:05 am : link
In comment 14031026 Go Terps said:
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It seems pretty obvious that Beckham's people had his LSU buddy make this public statement.

Yeah, that's pretty obvious. If you say so.
RE: RE: No one said he is leaving after this season  
Go Terps : 8/7/2018 2:14 am : link
In comment 14031255 Gatorade Dunk said:
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In comment 14031026 Go Terps said:


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It seems pretty obvious that Beckham's people had his LSU buddy make this public statement.


Yeah, that's pretty obvious. If you say so.


What, you think it's coincidence when this type of thing comes out? It's a game being played by both sides. I wasn't trying to besmirch Beckham's honor.
He would be a good fit for cleveland  
micky : 8/7/2018 6:45 am : link
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Landry has been talking about this  
UConn4523 : 8/7/2018 7:05 am : link
Since he got to Cleveland, so it’s hardly something out of left field. I don’t think things like this effect negotiations, especially not in the NFL where your value is pretty transparent.
It is amazing after all these years  
jlukes : 8/7/2018 7:37 am : link
how so many people on here (not you Joey) don't understand how negotiations almost ALWAYS play out
Well OBJ agent is a bit smarter than  
LauderdaleMatty : 8/7/2018 8:11 am : link
Osi’s was. Those “reports” when he was unhappy just made him look greedy and whiney. It’s a bit back but every year we had to hear about how under paid he was etc.

This is IMO useless and won’t get him another dime but agents want to show players they are doing something for that 3%. I wouldn’t hire an agent as much as a great contract lawyer. Most of these agents are just baby sitters and bullshit artists blowing smoke up a guys ass I think the best agents get what I would call a smart deal When we hear about huge numbers for headlines but it’s ALWAYS about he guaranteed cash. ALWAYS. IMO it’s best to keep most of this crap out of the press. Glorified real estate agents
Jarvis Landry also said the Browns would average 40 points a game  
Ten Ton Hammer : 8/7/2018 9:06 am : link
Consider whether this person is worth listening to seriously.
RE: If you are a star you can be a star anywhere  
since1925 : 8/7/2018 9:40 am : link
In comment 14030921 allstarjim said:
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The media market thing is totally overblown. Being a Cleveland Cavalier didn't hurt Lebron James one iota.

Peyton Manning was the face of the NFL as an Indianapolis Colt. Aaron Rodgers' marketability isn't hurt because he's a Packer. OBJ could play for any team and he'd do more for the franchise's marketability than he would hurt his own by being there, because he is a superstar, and would be one if he played in Buffalo, Indianapolis, or Jacksonville.



It is much easier to be a star in NYC. Think Strahan gets the Regis gig if he played in Green Bay? Winning helps...but so does the market.

As Reggie Jackson said when he played for the Oakland A's, "If I played in New York they would name a candy bar after me." He moved to New York and they named a candy bar after him.

You don't HAVE TO play in New York to become a star but it is a heck of lot easier than playing in Cleveland.
Again  
UConn4523 : 8/7/2018 9:46 am : link
it’s Cleveland, why is no one factoring that in? It isn’t because of the city as much as who owns and runs the show there. The Cavs example with LeBron is irrelevant - he was the team. It’s the NFL, unless you are a QB there’s only so much you can do and historically, going to the worst franchise in the sport has led to many promising careers coming to a screeching halt.

Odell would be a fool to go to Cleveland. It would be a bad business decision for both football and his brand. Basically any other franchise would be a far better option.
RE: Again  
pjcas18 : 8/7/2018 9:56 am : link
In comment 14031394 UConn4523 said:
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it’s Cleveland, why is no one factoring that in? It isn’t because of the city as much as who owns and runs the show there. The Cavs example with LeBron is irrelevant - he was the team. It’s the NFL, unless you are a QB there’s only so much you can do and historically, going to the worst franchise in the sport has led to many promising careers coming to a screeching halt.

Odell would be a fool to go to Cleveland. It would be a bad business decision for both football and his brand. Basically any other franchise would be a far better option.


Normally I'd agree with this before this regime because Haslam really hasn't owned the Browns that long, Dorsey is in his first year as GM, and Jackson is in his 3rd season and granted his 1 - 31 two-season record is so awful it's almost unbelievable I think he's replaceable should this year not show improvement. I don't believe that past failures or abominations for this franchise should indicate future failures for this group in Cleveland.

Otherwise people could have made the same argument about the 60's/70's Giants.

The Browns have gone 15 years without making the playoffs, the Giants went 18 or 19.
Of course, streaks always get broken  
UConn4523 : 8/7/2018 10:00 am : link
but are you really betting on the Browns doing so? And if you are Beckham, are you really holding out to go to the Browns, a team you can’t even negotiate with and may not even offer that much more games the Giants anyway if you actually did hit the open market?
RE: Of course, streaks always get broken  
pjcas18 : 8/7/2018 10:23 am : link
In comment 14031408 UConn4523 said:
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but are you really betting on the Browns doing so? And if you are Beckham, are you really holding out to go to the Browns, a team you can’t even negotiate with and may not even offer that much more games the Giants anyway if you actually did hit the open market?


Not this year. But the future depends on Mayfield.

Next year if they added Beckham AND Mayfield proves to not be a total disaster then I think they'd have a chance to reach the playoffs.

I like their OL, their D is littered with high picks and high potential, and they now have some skill guys on O with Gordon, Landry, Chubb, Hyde, add in Beckham and that's a dangerous group.

It's all a moot point  
Chris684 : 8/7/2018 11:08 am : link
as these quotes are part of negotiation and not to be taken seriously.

If NYG was motivated to move Beckham and Cleveland motivated to trade for him, the time was pre-draft when the Browns had that #4 pick they could have moved.

The best thing to hope for now is that NYG and Beckham can meet in the middle and that the Beckham of the last few months is the Beckham moving forward.
So much for Josina Anderson's worthless 'report'  
Dave in Hoboken : 8/7/2018 11:21 am : link
yesterday. She was reporting bullshit. What a shock!
pjcas  
UConn4523 : 8/7/2018 1:06 pm : link
if he was an UFA then I can buy those arguments to an extent. But it has no bearing on his contract negotiations with the Giants. These reports never do when the player is still under team control.
RE: pjcas  
pjcas18 : 8/7/2018 1:15 pm : link
In comment 14031575 UConn4523 said:
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if he was an UFA then I can buy those arguments to an extent. But it has no bearing on his contract negotiations with the Giants. These reports never do when the player is still under team control.


I know, and I agree and I also agree with those who have a) doubts he'll go anywhere and b) if he does it would be to Cleveland.

and maybe I'm the sucker who used to buy into the Rams every year as the "dark horse" but I like a lot of what Cleveland is doing.
I too like what they are doing  
UConn4523 : 8/7/2018 1:29 pm : link
but I still feel like it’s simply a doomed franchise. I bet if they moved again they would be successful with the exact same personnel, haha.
You really are a Funny guy  
Paulie Walnuts : 8/7/2018 11:33 pm : link
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