Giants release their FIRST depth chart

Depth Chart
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Eli Manning is 37 years old. We needed to move on but signed a RB?

Long Snapper listed.

but the lack of depth at multiple positions across the board is startling. Specifically ILB, CB and S.

as the FS is the only thing that wasn't expected, IMO. Everyone else is pretty much what you'd expect.

looks a LOT better than it did 1 year ago, and even better still than the last half of lest season.

Looks like it's Gallway and Martin in a battle for the last RB spot. Tie goes to Gallway because Martin can go onto the practice squad.

Maybe they think that is too much to pick up.

Curtis Riley right now as the starting FS, over Darian Thompson and William Gay (I guess they are converting him from CB). Andrew Adams listed as the backup to Landon Collins at SS.

Another surprise is to see Hunter Sharp ahead of Roger Lewis as the primary backup to OBJ.

And notice, there are TWO starting TE spots...should tell you what kind of offense the Giants intend on running. Engram and Ellison both listed as starters.

I think that is going to be very good for the Giants offense.

In comment 14030939 Angus said:

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Maybe they think that is too much to pick up.

Maybe the ghost of Jason Sehorn paid them a visit.

In comment 14030940 allstarjim said:

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Curtis Riley right now as the starting FS, over Darian Thompson and William Gay (I guess they are converting him from CB). Andrew Adams listed as the backup to Landon Collins at SS. Another surprise is to see Hunter Sharp ahead of Roger Lewis as the primary backup to OBJ. And notice, there are TWO starting TE spots...should tell you what kind of offense the Giants intend on running. Engram and Ellison both listed as starters. I think that is going to be very good for the Giants offense.

riley supposedly has had a great summmer, now we see how it translates to preseason..

but that's a top notch starting lineup. Weapons all over the place. Of course, you are only as good as your depth in the NFL and that's what will probably get us.

on the backups as far as what side their lining up on when compared with the BBI depth chart.

In comment 14030950 Rocky369 said:

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on the backups as far as what side their lining up on when compared with the BBI depth chart.

I'm updating now.

not unexpected, but interesting to see. Engram and Ellison both considered starters.

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Looks like it's Gallway and Martin in a battle for the last RB spot. Tie goes to Gallway because Martin can go onto the practice squad.

Gallman will almost certainly be the #3 RB. The team can carry four if another RB is worthy of a roster spot.

looks very very thin.

After Beckham and Shepard not much proven quality.

I know there isn't much cap space, but I think they find away to get a legit veteran WR option.

depth chart updated....
BBI Depth Chart - ( New Window )

On the defense when we switched to the 3-4. Yay?

In comment 14030928 Aqua Giants said:

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Eli Manning is 37 years old. We needed to move on but signed a RB?

Sarcasm I hope

In comment 14030971 pjcas18 said:

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looks very very thin.

From what I've read I think they are counting on Lattimer to have a breakout year at #3 and for Hunter Sharp to be a decent #4. Whether that comes to be, we'll soon find out.

But I guess pretty much everyone does.

Corner depth is scary.

I love Herzlich the person the ILB not so much

Does Okwara make this team? Hard to see how right now.

--no proven pass rusher outside of Vernon. Lorenzo Carter is going to get lots of chances as a rookie to be the other pass rusher. If OV goes down that pass rush looks paltry to say the least

--DL looks decent for a 3-4 setup. We know Snacks is a monster and Tomlinson is just about there. BJ Hill surprisingly wins the 3rd DL spot so that's a good sign for him

--Curtis Riley winning the FS spot off Darian Thompson is a bad sign for Thompson. CB depth is frightening. I'm not sure there's another NFL caliber corner on the team outside of Jenkins and Apple. If one of them gets hurt (and Apple isn't great anyway) that is going to be brutal

--Halapio as 1st team C instead of Jones tells me that Shurmur is a run-first coach as Halapio is much more of a mauler. Not sure that Halapio is exactly a good pass protector though. Wheeler is probably the backup LT and RT and they don't have another guy behind him. Solder, Hernandez and Omameh look good and I'm actually optimistic for Flowers at RT since he was probably supposed to be a RT anyway

--Skill positions look really good but we could use an outside receiver better than Cody Latimer. Saquon will crush it and make that OL look better than it is

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In comment 14030971 pjcas18 said: Quote: looks very very thin. From what I've read I think they are counting on Lattimer to have a breakout year at #3 and for Hunter Sharp to be a decent #4. Whether that comes to be, we'll soon find out.

I hope so, and I know a lot of people will say "well Evan Engram is really a WR", but he's not. Jimmy Graham tried that too (when hit with the FT in NO) and the NFLPA (or Graham's agent at least) couldn't win that fight, I don't expect fans to win it.

but what happens when/if Shepard or Beckham are injured is everything falls apart b/c neither Latimer or Sharp project as starting WR's. Sure they could surprise, but I'd be more comfortable with a legit experienced option in the mix. at least in camp.

Bring in a Brandon LaFell or Dontrel Inman if they're healthy and still available if Dez is a complete non-option.

Odell WR1
Engram TE/WR2
Shepard WR3
Saquon RB1
Ellison TE

Engram in that set is going to be the other outside WR more often than not. I don't see how else to make the pieces fit unless you think Latimer is more valuable than Ellison (and he's not, it's not close). Ellison is both a pass-catching option and a pseudo 6th OL

In comment 14030963 Del Shofner said:

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not unexpected, but interesting to see. Engram and Ellison both considered starters.

Engram is a TE in name only. I'll bet he's the outside receiver/WR2 at least 70% of the time

perhaps exposing some depth weakness that's been addressed, and we need a swing OT.

I think is interesting is how far Roger Lewis has fallen.

In comment 14030998 dpinzow said:

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--no proven pass rusher outside of Vernon. Lorenzo Carter is going to get lots of chances as a rookie to be the other pass rusher. If OV goes down that pass rush looks paltry to say the least --DL looks decent for a 3-4 setup. We know Snacks is a monster and Tomlinson is just about there. BJ Hill surprisingly wins the 3rd DL spot so that's a good sign for him --Curtis Riley winning the FS spot off Darian Thompson is a bad sign for Thompson. CB depth is frightening. I'm not sure there's another NFL caliber corner on the team outside of Jenkins and Apple. If one of them gets hurt (and Apple isn't great anyway) that is going to be brutal --Halapio as 1st team C instead of Jones tells me that Shurmur is a run-first coach as Halapio is much more of a mauler. Not sure that Halapio is exactly a good pass protector though. Wheeler is probably the backup LT and RT and they don't have another guy behind him. Solder, Hernandez and Omameh look good and I'm actually optimistic for Flowers at RT since he was probably supposed to be a RT anyway --Skill positions look really good but we could use an outside receiver better than Cody Latimer. Saquon will crush it and make that OL look better than it is

If a guy with 55.5 career sacks isn't a proven pass rusher then I don't know what a proven pass rusher looks like (Barwin).

As for Latimer, I don't think anyone should make any judgements on him yet. He was blocked by some pretty good receivers with horrendous QB play last several seasons (Demaryius Thomas, Emmanuel Sanders). As a team they only completed 332 passes for just 5.4 Y/A which was near the bottom of the NFL. For comparison, the Giants completed 373 passes for 5.4 Y/A and our passing offense was pretty broken.

Latimer is a very good special teamer/returner and I think that is where you look for him to make the biggest impact, and anything else is gravy on top.

The Giants will have 4 excellent receiving options and not a lot of teams can compete with that. The outside receiver "hole" is overblown because Engram will find himself out there likely a lot of the time, as will Shepard, although I don't think that's the best use of his talent.

In comment 14031008 dpinzow said:

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In comment 14030963 Del Shofner said: Quote: not unexpected, but interesting to see. Engram and Ellison both considered starters. Engram is a TE in name only. I'll bet he's the outside receiver/WR2 at least 70% of the time

So glad this coaching staff sees this. Engram is a pass catcher first and a blocker third. At 6’3” 240 lining him up to block pretty much anyone but a DB is a mistake the last staff couldn’t seem to figure out. And it was going to get him here besides.

In comment 14031015 allstarjim said:

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In comment 14030998 dpinzow said: Quote: --no proven pass rusher outside of Vernon. Lorenzo Carter is going to get lots of chances as a rookie to be the other pass rusher. If OV goes down that pass rush looks paltry to say the least --DL looks decent for a 3-4 setup. We know Snacks is a monster and Tomlinson is just about there. BJ Hill surprisingly wins the 3rd DL spot so that's a good sign for him --Curtis Riley winning the FS spot off Darian Thompson is a bad sign for Thompson. CB depth is frightening. I'm not sure there's another NFL caliber corner on the team outside of Jenkins and Apple. If one of them gets hurt (and Apple isn't great anyway) that is going to be brutal --Halapio as 1st team C instead of Jones tells me that Shurmur is a run-first coach as Halapio is much more of a mauler. Not sure that Halapio is exactly a good pass protector though. Wheeler is probably the backup LT and RT and they don't have another guy behind him. Solder, Hernandez and Omameh look good and I'm actually optimistic for Flowers at RT since he was probably supposed to be a RT anyway --Skill positions look really good but we could use an outside receiver better than Cody Latimer. Saquon will crush it and make that OL look better than it is If a guy with 55.5 career sacks isn't a proven pass rusher then I don't know what a proven pass rusher looks like (Barwin). As for Latimer, I don't think anyone should make any judgements on him yet. He was blocked by some pretty good receivers with horrendous QB play last several seasons (Demaryius Thomas, Emmanuel Sanders). As a team they only completed 332 passes for just 5.4 Y/A which was near the bottom of the NFL. For comparison, the Giants completed 373 passes for 5.4 Y/A and our passing offense was pretty broken. Latimer is a very good special teamer/returner and I think that is where you look for him to make the biggest impact, and anything else is gravy on top. The Giants will have 4 excellent receiving options and not a lot of teams can compete with that. The outside receiver "hole" is overblown because Engram will find himself out there likely a lot of the time, as will Shepard, although I don't think that's the best use of his talent.

Not sure how much Barwin has left in the tank though

Fight for last WR spot among Lewis, Jawill Davis, AET.

Seen enough of Lewis. No sure hands, can't return, can't tackle.

He can down a punt if it hits the ground. Or he can stand there if the returner calls for fair catch.

Not enough for a roster spot.

Thought he was expected to be the starting nickel back I thought. It seems he’s very much on the bubble

There are no surprises here.

i am assuming OV walks down to the line, Tomlinson kicks in, and martin comes off the field for the third corner.

In comment 14030928 Aqua Giants said:

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Eli Manning is 37 years old. We needed to move on but signed a RB?

If you are going to troll, at least get your shit together. We DRAFTED a RB.

Maybe a FB is not in the plans. There was a lot of talk that Shurmer liked having a FB but there isn’t even a FB spot on the depth chart.

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In comment 14031023 Ten Ton Hammer said:

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There are no surprises here.

On a rebuilding team? Based on what ? We have a load of skilled players, a vet QB, a Vet LT, several vets on defense. I just don't see it as a rebuilding team anymore. Depth is an issue sure but many teams across the league have depth issues. That's life. If the Giants stay healthy they will be a tough team to beat

that the two best UDFA's the Giants signed, CB Grant Haley and G Nick Gates, are dead last on the depth chart.

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i am assuming OV walks down to the line, Tomlinson kicks in, and martin comes off the field for the third corner.

More likely Goodson comes off for the third corner I would think.

In comment 14031043 Jay on the Island said:

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that the two best UDFA's the Giants signed, CB Grant Haley and G Nick Gates, are dead last on the depth chart.

Those guys are getting practice reps with 3s. The preseason games will be there chance to show what they can do. Full speed, actual tackling and blocking, etc

In comment 14031042 BleedBlue said:

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In comment 14031023 Ten Ton Hammer said: Quote: There are no surprises here. On a rebuilding team? Based on what ? We have a load of skilled players, a vet QB, a Vet LT, several vets on defense. I just don't see it as a rebuilding team anymore. Depth is an issue sure but many teams across the league have depth issues. That's life. If the Giants stay healthy they will be a tough team to beat

I simply don't think you erase six or seven years of poor roster construction with one offseason no matter how much people want to be optimistic. There are a ton of different wheels spinning at once. New coach, entirely new defense, a very unforgiving schedule.

Exactly what does this have to do with the depth chart??

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I see a 7-9 or 6-10 season again Aqua Giants : 3:21 pm : link : reply Eli Manning is 37 years old. We needed to move on but signed a RB?

EVERY team in the league has depth issues. From reading the comments here I'm forced to think "stupid Giants, can't they see that they need a pro bowler backing up EVERY position?"
Considering the mess that this team was last year, that's potentially a pretty good 1st team and there are a lot of young hungry talent behind them. It's up to this staff (unlike the previous one) to develop the talent on the roster so the depth Becomes good.
When the dust settles, the degree of roster turnover will be significant. I suspect guys like R Lewis, Munson and maybe even D Thompson an Jerry may not be long for the roster. Replaced by young guys with potential. That's as good as they can do at this point.

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Amba Etta Tawo will end up on the practice squad.

In comment 14030928 Aqua Giants said:

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Eli Manning is 37 years old. We needed to move on but signed a RB?

Lol... never heard that one before

In comment 14031037 BillT said:

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Maybe a FB is not in the plans. There was a lot of talk that Shurmer liked having a FB but there isn’t even a FB spot on the depth chart.

Looks like we are going to run a lot of 2 TE. Shane's only chance might be to hang on as a hybrid FB/H-Back. So his competition is probably the other TEs.

In comment 14030928 Aqua Giants said:

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Eli Manning is 37 years old. We needed to move on but signed a RB?

Many clubs, Giants included, believed that none of the 2018 draft QBs are sure things -- and almost everyone believes SB is a sure thing.

I see a guy like Amba as a good choice for the practice squad. I don't see Roger Lewis or Darian Thompson as guys to hang around. The team can do better (hence this early depth chart- neither ar in good position and from what I saw last Thursday, deserved. No scholarships on this roster. If you don't make plays well then it's been nice knowing you!

In comment 14031015 allstarjim said:

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In comment 14030998 dpinzow said: Quote: --no proven pass rusher outside of Vernon. Lorenzo Carter is going to get lots of chances as a rookie to be the other pass rusher. If OV goes down that pass rush looks paltry to say the least --DL looks decent for a 3-4 setup. We know Snacks is a monster and Tomlinson is just about there. BJ Hill surprisingly wins the 3rd DL spot so that's a good sign for him --Curtis Riley winning the FS spot off Darian Thompson is a bad sign for Thompson. CB depth is frightening. I'm not sure there's another NFL caliber corner on the team outside of Jenkins and Apple. If one of them gets hurt (and Apple isn't great anyway) that is going to be brutal --Halapio as 1st team C instead of Jones tells me that Shurmur is a run-first coach as Halapio is much more of a mauler. Not sure that Halapio is exactly a good pass protector though. Wheeler is probably the backup LT and RT and they don't have another guy behind him. Solder, Hernandez and Omameh look good and I'm actually optimistic for Flowers at RT since he was probably supposed to be a RT anyway --Skill positions look really good but we could use an outside receiver better than Cody Latimer. Saquon will crush it and make that OL look better than it is If a guy with 55.5 career sacks isn't a proven pass rusher then I don't know what a proven pass rusher looks like (Barwin). As for Latimer, I don't think anyone should make any judgements on him yet. He was blocked by some pretty good receivers with horrendous QB play last several seasons (Demaryius Thomas, Emmanuel Sanders). As a team they only completed 332 passes for just 5.4 Y/A which was near the bottom of the NFL. For comparison, the Giants completed 373 passes for 5.4 Y/A and our passing offense was pretty broken. Latimer is a very good special teamer/returner and I think that is where you look for him to make the biggest impact, and anything else is gravy on top. The Giants will have 4 excellent receiving options and not a lot of teams can compete with that. The outside receiver "hole" is overblown because Engram will find himself out there likely a lot of the time, as will Shepard, although I don't think that's the best use of his talent.

I don't think it's really that overblown. Just look at last year. If any of Beckham, Shepard, or Engram get nicked up even for a game the wheels come off.

Unless...the unproven options step up, which is certainly possible.

I'm not suggesting a pro-bowler at every position, and the names I suggested weren't outlandish, but the Giants signing Brandon Marshall last year was also probably a little bit about them not being comfortable with the 3rd WR (2nd outside WR) options.

Now this is a different front office, and a different depth chart, but I'm not confident the 2nd outside WR is addressed with the roster today.

Who knows, maybe the Giants have another Cruz in one of the young guys.

I feel better right now about the OL than I do about the 3rd WR or the 3rd CB.

And I thought Gay was going to be a slot CB. Surprised to see him at FS on the depth chart.