the level of Breaking Bad tie-ins really heat up (as you'd probably expect).
It would be cool if Walter White and Jesse Pinkman make cameos based on the Saul perspective (but I don't think they do).
I don't think that's going to happen. Saul doesn't meet them until ep. 8 of Season 2 of Breaking Bad, and it doesn't seem like the timelines of the two shows will overlap.
And was more of a consultant for this season than having day to day involvement. That's the first time for this series, so it will be interesting to see if that is noticeable or not.
unless it's something odd like walking past each other in a store or something.
Jesse on the other hand is very aware of Saul in Breaking Bad, to the point that he knows he's a "criminal lawyer" when he takes Walt to him. I could see a Jesse cameo
unless it's something odd like walking past each other in a store or something.
Jesse on the other hand is very aware of Saul in Breaking Bad, to the point that he knows he's a "criminal lawyer" when he takes Walt to him. I could see a Jesse cameo
every time you see Gus Fring or Mike Ehrmantraut or Hector Salamanca, Victor, Krazy-8, even Huell and every other cross over character they interlock the two stories. and I think Better Call Saul ends after Breaking Bad. Or it could at least end after Breaking Bad ended, Jimmy was still Saul at the end of BB.
Walter White meets Saul when he's Saul, not Jimmy and you have to figure that this story ends when Saul/Jimmy opens/works in the Cinnabon, seeing Walt and/or Jesse with Saul to show his reach/depth into Saul would in no way be far fetched and would hardly overshadow the show and I don't think it would be unnecessary.
I'm not sure how some people are so sure of the timelines, unless it's been published somewhere, but Saul was definitely still around at the end of Breaking Bad, so no clue why the two couldn't overlap at all.
Anyway, it doesn't need to be contentious, it's a discussion about a show. everyone can have different opinions.
looking forward to the new season. Like it better than Breaking Bad, in fact.
Yup I'm with you - IMO it's bc BB was largely a 2 man show for the first couple seasons. Of course, 2 of the most well-written/acted characters in TV history. Hank was always good too, but I never really cared too much about the Skyler/Walter Jr part of the story.
It wasn't until the Gus/Mike side of the story developed from season 3 on that I got invested in the others, and BB was at it's best in seasons 4 and 5.
BCS introduced several new characters at the outset that are great to follow...Chuck, Kim (who's been remarkably endearing as the female lead), Nacho, Howard, and of course Jonathan Banks getting to take Mike to a whole new level.
Plus, who would have thought Odenkirk could take the comic-relief sidekick version of Saul/Jimmy and turn him into a fully complex character in BCS
every time you see Gus Fring or Mike Ehrmantraut or Hector Salamanca, Victor, Krazy-8, even Huell and every other cross over character they interlock the two stories. and I think Better Call Saul ends after Breaking Bad. Or it could at least end after Breaking Bad ended, Jimmy was still Saul at the end of BB.
Walter White meets Saul when he's Saul, not Jimmy and you have to figure that this story ends when Saul/Jimmy opens/works in the Cinnabon, seeing Walt and/or Jesse with Saul to show his reach/depth into Saul would in no way be far fetched and would hardly overshadow the show and I don't think it would be unnecessary.
I'm not sure how some people are so sure of the timelines, unless it's been published somewhere, but Saul was definitely still around at the end of Breaking Bad, so no clue why the two couldn't overlap at all.
Anyway, it doesn't need to be contentious, it's a discussion about a show. everyone can have different opinions.
I didn’t think I was contentious, I just disagreed with you. Sorry if it seemed snarky.
Towards the end of Breaking Bad Saul changed indentities and we see in Better Call Saul that he ends up at the Cinnabon at a mall.
I think the timelines are fairly clear, in terms of not overlapping.
Yes, Jesse knows about Saul, but Saul does not know Jesse until they meet in Season 2 of BB.
every time you see Gus Fring or Mike Ehrmantraut or Hector Salamanca, Victor, Krazy-8, even Huell and every other cross over character they interlock the two stories. and I think Better Call Saul ends after Breaking Bad. Or it could at least end after Breaking Bad ended, Jimmy was still Saul at the end of BB.
Walter White meets Saul when he's Saul, not Jimmy and you have to figure that this story ends when Saul/Jimmy opens/works in the Cinnabon, seeing Walt and/or Jesse with Saul to show his reach/depth into Saul would in no way be far fetched and would hardly overshadow the show and I don't think it would be unnecessary.
I'm not sure how some people are so sure of the timelines, unless it's been published somewhere, but Saul was definitely still around at the end of Breaking Bad, so no clue why the two couldn't overlap at all.
Anyway, it doesn't need to be contentious, it's a discussion about a show. everyone can have different opinions.
I didn’t think I was contentious, I just disagreed with you. Sorry if it seemed snarky.
Towards the end of Breaking Bad Saul changed indentities and we see in Better Call Saul that he ends up at the Cinnabon at a mall.
I think the timelines are fairly clear, in terms of not overlapping.
Yes, Jesse knows about Saul, but Saul does not know Jesse until they meet in Season 2 of BB.
Jimmy was always Saul in Breaking Bad (wasn't he?). I don't remember him ever changing identities in BB.
Supposedly BCS takes place in the 6 years before BB. Not sure if a season equals a year, but I think it's possible they overlap.
I agree with others I didn't think the Saul character or Odenkirk the actor maybe more accurately, had the chops to carry the show. But I too was way off.
I also though, more generally don't think you can compare the shows. Walter White was a more complex and compelling character than even Jimmy is, and the pace of Breaking Bad was different. I was hooked from episode 1, scene 1 of Breaking Bad.
I'm not sure I would have watched Better Call Saul, or maybe I wouldn't have given it as long if I hadn't see and loved Breaking Bad first. I'm glad I did because I love both shows.
obviously much was set up for the rest of the season, but I loved the final scene. In the final scene with Chuck and Jimmy last season, Chuck basically told him you always pull this kind of crap, why be remorseful - I'd respect you more if you just owned it.
Then in this episode, when Hamlin was weeping over how he may have had something to do with Chuck's demise, Jimmy just kind of smirked and said whatever, even though Jimmy knew the part he'd played.
In other words, he finally took Chuck's advice and stopped feeling guilty about it.
obviously much was set up for the rest of the season, but I loved the final scene. In the final scene with Chuck and Jimmy last season, Chuck basically told him you always pull this kind of crap, why be remorseful - I'd respect you more if you just owned it.
Then in this episode, when Hamlin was weeping over how he may have had something to do with Chuck's demise, Jimmy just kind of smirked and said whatever, even though Jimmy knew the part he'd played.
In other words, he finally took Chuck's advice and stopped feeling guilty about it.
We’re seeing his transition to become Saul Goodman, who is much less concerned about personal guilt.
tie in for this season my guess would be Hank. When Fring said chaos brings the DEA, we know in Breaking Bad Fring has an existing relationship with the DEA but they are unaware of his happenings (holds benefits for the DEA, funds their fundraisers, etc.). I have to imagine we're going to see the DEA/ Hank start sniffing at him and Fring starts all his games of hiding in plain sight with them.
Was pretending to be sad the entire time or did he just decide to be over it at that moment is my question.
Good question - my read was he was really sad, but conflicted. To me the whole bit about him sitting on the couch staring into space all night was kind of like a Star Wars-esque good side vs bad side conflict going on in his head. He knew he played a big role in Chucks demise, but the last thing Chuck ever said to him was “I really don’t care about you that much”.
In the end, he accepts that he’s at his best being “slipping Jimmy”, and that was the trigger for him to finally go full-Saul
as much as confused. the only thing that even made Jimmy be Jimmy was Chuck, otherwise he would have been Saul a long time ago IMO - whether it was in the legal field or otherwise.
Now that Chuck was dead he was I think a little confused. Maybe even relieved that he didn't need to try and prove himself to anyone anymore and he could be free to do what comes easily to him.
No standards to try and live up to, no bar that had been set.
maybe that's too deep or reading too much into a few scenes but that was kind of my take.
Was pretending to be sad the entire time or did he just decide to be over it at that moment is my question.
I think he was conflicted, because he didn't really know what caused Chuck to go into his final death spiral, and he had to face the possibility that he had something to do with it. Then Howard confides in him that his final blow-up with Chuck over the insurance was (in Howard's mind), the precipitating event. And immediately, Jimmy makes the decision to allow Howard to take on the guilt, making Jimmy feel better about everything.
Was pretending to be sad the entire time or did he just decide to be over it at that moment is my question.
I definitely think he was pretending and wasn't conflicted at all, except for maybe on that bench outside the house in the beginning where he was still gathering his thoughts.
But other than that, I think he was totally fine. He was just bored with Howard going over the obituary. He was going through the motions and being nice to people who were offering condolences at the funeral because they didn't really do anything to him. No need to be a dick. But he didn't care.
Then when Howard opened up at the end about his own culpability, that's when we as the audience got the first concrete look at Jimmy's apathy. But I think it was there for almost the whole show prior.
Additionally, I've gotten to a point where I dislike looking at the recap of a previous episode prior to a new episode. I feel like they're not crafted with great care these days and they make it pretty easy to see where an episode is going to go. It's almost like a spoiler for me in a weird way. I watched the recap the other night because it had been so long and I actually did need a refresher. They showed Chuck saying to Jimmy "you never really meant that much to me." As soon as I saw that I suspected part of the theme of this one was going to be Jimmy not giving a shit about Chuck's death. Sure enough, that turned out to be the final impression.
Was pretending to be sad the entire time or did he just decide to be over it at that moment is my question.
I think he was conflicted, because he didn't really know what caused Chuck to go into his final death spiral, and he had to face the possibility that he had something to do with it. Then Howard confides in him that his final blow-up with Chuck over the insurance was (in Howard's mind), the precipitating event. And immediately, Jimmy makes the decision to allow Howard to take on the guilt, making Jimmy feel better about everything.
Disagree with this because it was Jimmy who made the whole insurance fiasco come to light in the first place.
Another thing I was wondering at the end of the episode Â
Was pretending to be sad the entire time or did he just decide to be over it at that moment is my question.
I think he was conflicted, because he didn't really know what caused Chuck to go into his final death spiral, and he had to face the possibility that he had something to do with it. Then Howard confides in him that his final blow-up with Chuck over the insurance was (in Howard's mind), the precipitating event. And immediately, Jimmy makes the decision to allow Howard to take on the guilt, making Jimmy feel better about everything.
Disagree with this because it was Jimmy who made the whole insurance fiasco come to light in the first place.
Agree with Blacklight the more I think about it.
Howard doesn't know Jimmy caused the insurance fiasco. Only Jimmy knows that, but when it becomes apparent that Howard is taking the blame because he caved to the insurance company and effectively forcing Chuck to retire (and commit suicide) Jimmy has his conscience freed. Even more so when Howard said the competence hearing had nothing to do with it, it was all the insurance fiasco.
Even if he knows he initiated the insurance review/revocation, he can live that, as long as publicly someone else feels they were the cause.
Was pretending to be sad the entire time or did he just decide to be over it at that moment is my question.
I think he was conflicted, because he didn't really know what caused Chuck to go into his final death spiral, and he had to face the possibility that he had something to do with it. Then Howard confides in him that his final blow-up with Chuck over the insurance was (in Howard's mind), the precipitating event. And immediately, Jimmy makes the decision to allow Howard to take on the guilt, making Jimmy feel better about everything.
Disagree with this because it was Jimmy who made the whole insurance fiasco come to light in the first place.
Agree with Blacklight the more I think about it.
Howard doesn't know Jimmy caused the insurance fiasco. Only Jimmy knows that, but when it becomes apparent that Howard is taking the blame because he caved to the insurance company and effectively forcing Chuck to retire (and commit suicide) Jimmy has his conscience freed. Even more so when Howard said the competence hearing had nothing to do with it, it was all the insurance fiasco.
Even if he knows he initiated the insurance review/revocation, he can live that, as long as publicly someone else feels they were the cause.
Yeah that make much more sense to me. He felt bad because Jimmy thought it was all his fault. Howard feels the guilt, because he was forcing him out and feels like it was his fault Chuck killed himself. Jimmy feels the guilt come right off of him, because A) Howard is taking the blame B) Howard could have not forced him out and he's admitting that.
I think Jimmy really wanted Chuck to suffer a bit, not kill himself.
Side note, I'm not sure how I am going to like this show without Chuck. His illness was an interesting part of the story that managed to make a corporate lawyer hearing pretty much a must watch episode.
I wonder if the show will slump a little bit because Chuck is gone.
Howard doesn't know Jimmy caused the insurance fiasco. Only Jimmy knows that, but when it becomes apparent that Howard is taking the blame because he caved to the insurance company and effectively forcing Chuck to retire (and commit suicide) Jimmy has his conscience freed. Even more so when Howard said the competence hearing had nothing to do with it, it was all the insurance fiasco.
Even if he knows he initiated the insurance review/revocation, he can live that, as long as publicly someone else feels they were the cause.
To each his own, but I don't get this.
Why would Howard feeling unjustifiably guilty for a transgression Saul got the ball rolling on make him feel less guilty? If anything I'd think it would exacerbate the guilt as not only is someone potentially dead because of him, but another relatively innocent party is in pain due to his actions. Doesn't make sense to me for a guy to feel less guilty as more people suffer because of him.
I think he wanted Chuck and more specifically HHM to suffer professionally, but didn't want him dead.
I think he thought it was setting up Chuck at the competence hearing that led to Chuck's demise, when he found out it was the insurance thing he didn't feel much better.
When Howard mentioned that Chuck wanted to fight the insurance company legally, but Howard nixed it and Howard felt like that was the straw the broke the camel's back it removed Jimmy from being the indirect cause of his brother's death.
Just one take - as Blacklight opined above. And I believe it. I don't think Jimmy simply didn't care about Chuck. He clearly did. I do agree at the funeral he didn't give a shit about the people consoling him at the funeral or the obituary, but until Howard got him off the hook I think he was legit depressed.
"he didn't care" isn't quite right by me. But more appropriately then, he felt an unexpected freedom and weight lifted off his shoulders with Chuck's death, and IMO, that feeling started early on in the episode, not at the end.
that Chuck came to realize he truly was psychologically sick, and that came as a severe blow. His being forced out of the law firm did him in. He no longer had his beloved law. His whole life spiraled out of control and into the shitter because of his own mental illness. Not a physical ailment beyond his control, but a mental failure.
Jimmy may have tipped off the insurance company, but he is not responsible for Chuck being mental, or for Howard forcing him out, or for Chuck's actions afterward.
Jimmy was sad, conflicted, confused, despondant. Why would he continue to fake it when Kim is passed out, or when others aren't around?
I think he comes to (or perhaps more accurately, embraces) a viewpoint that as long as he isn't directly harming someone, he isn't responsible for their actions if he's a shady lawyer. In BB, he was shady, but he also tried (unsuccessfully) to steer Walter in a direction where harm wouldn't come to Walter. Saul does not stop having a good side. He simply decides to embrace a shady border on the breaking/not breaking the law. He helps people, like Walter, launder money, and even though he knows it is illegal money, he makes it a point to legally stay on the right side of the law - he doesn't ask, and prevents others from telling, him anything he shouldn't legally know. It is Walter White who drags him in so far he ends up having to turn into Gene.
He may also change his name out of a desire to distance himself from the family name and Chuck. He may be running from something just as much as running to something.
is that Jimmy is probably the least interesting character in the cast. Chuck was more interesting. Kim is more interesting. Gus is more interesting. Nacho is more interesting. Mike consistently steals the show with whatever he's up to each week (and he did so against last night).
The show is still a critical darling, but I think its dirty secret is that the spinoff should've been about Mike and his post-police career. Saul being Saul in Breaking Bad was far more entertaining than watching Jimmy become Saul in the years pre-BB.
It would be cool if Walter White and Jesse Pinkman make cameos based on the Saul perspective (but I don't think they do).
It would be cool if Walter White and Jesse Pinkman make cameos based on the Saul perspective (but I don't think they do).
I don't think that's going to happen. Saul doesn't meet them until ep. 8 of Season 2 of Breaking Bad, and it doesn't seem like the timelines of the two shows will overlap.
Me too. I'm also excited to see Jimmy turn into Saul.
I didn’t think this spinoff would work, thought the concept was dumb. I was dead wrong.
Jesse on the other hand is very aware of Saul in Breaking Bad, to the point that he knows he's a "criminal lawyer" when he takes Walt to him. I could see a Jesse cameo
Jesse on the other hand is very aware of Saul in Breaking Bad, to the point that he knows he's a "criminal lawyer" when he takes Walt to him. I could see a Jesse cameo
Yup agreed
Walter White meets Saul when he's Saul, not Jimmy and you have to figure that this story ends when Saul/Jimmy opens/works in the Cinnabon, seeing Walt and/or Jesse with Saul to show his reach/depth into Saul would in no way be far fetched and would hardly overshadow the show and I don't think it would be unnecessary.
I'm not sure how some people are so sure of the timelines, unless it's been published somewhere, but Saul was definitely still around at the end of Breaking Bad, so no clue why the two couldn't overlap at all.
Anyway, it doesn't need to be contentious, it's a discussion about a show. everyone can have different opinions.
Yup I'm with you - IMO it's bc BB was largely a 2 man show for the first couple seasons. Of course, 2 of the most well-written/acted characters in TV history. Hank was always good too, but I never really cared too much about the Skyler/Walter Jr part of the story.
It wasn't until the Gus/Mike side of the story developed from season 3 on that I got invested in the others, and BB was at it's best in seasons 4 and 5.
BCS introduced several new characters at the outset that are great to follow...Chuck, Kim (who's been remarkably endearing as the female lead), Nacho, Howard, and of course Jonathan Banks getting to take Mike to a whole new level.
Plus, who would have thought Odenkirk could take the comic-relief sidekick version of Saul/Jimmy and turn him into a fully complex character in BCS
Walter White meets Saul when he's Saul, not Jimmy and you have to figure that this story ends when Saul/Jimmy opens/works in the Cinnabon, seeing Walt and/or Jesse with Saul to show his reach/depth into Saul would in no way be far fetched and would hardly overshadow the show and I don't think it would be unnecessary.
I'm not sure how some people are so sure of the timelines, unless it's been published somewhere, but Saul was definitely still around at the end of Breaking Bad, so no clue why the two couldn't overlap at all.
Anyway, it doesn't need to be contentious, it's a discussion about a show. everyone can have different opinions.
I didn’t think I was contentious, I just disagreed with you. Sorry if it seemed snarky.
Towards the end of Breaking Bad Saul changed indentities and we see in Better Call Saul that he ends up at the Cinnabon at a mall.
I think the timelines are fairly clear, in terms of not overlapping.
Yes, Jesse knows about Saul, but Saul does not know Jesse until they meet in Season 2 of BB.
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every time you see Gus Fring or Mike Ehrmantraut or Hector Salamanca, Victor, Krazy-8, even Huell and every other cross over character they interlock the two stories. and I think Better Call Saul ends after Breaking Bad. Or it could at least end after Breaking Bad ended, Jimmy was still Saul at the end of BB.
Walter White meets Saul when he's Saul, not Jimmy and you have to figure that this story ends when Saul/Jimmy opens/works in the Cinnabon, seeing Walt and/or Jesse with Saul to show his reach/depth into Saul would in no way be far fetched and would hardly overshadow the show and I don't think it would be unnecessary.
I'm not sure how some people are so sure of the timelines, unless it's been published somewhere, but Saul was definitely still around at the end of Breaking Bad, so no clue why the two couldn't overlap at all.
Anyway, it doesn't need to be contentious, it's a discussion about a show. everyone can have different opinions.
I didn’t think I was contentious, I just disagreed with you. Sorry if it seemed snarky.
Towards the end of Breaking Bad Saul changed indentities and we see in Better Call Saul that he ends up at the Cinnabon at a mall.
I think the timelines are fairly clear, in terms of not overlapping.
Yes, Jesse knows about Saul, but Saul does not know Jesse until they meet in Season 2 of BB.
Jimmy was always Saul in Breaking Bad (wasn't he?). I don't remember him ever changing identities in BB.
Supposedly BCS takes place in the 6 years before BB. Not sure if a season equals a year, but I think it's possible they overlap.
I agree with others I didn't think the Saul character or Odenkirk the actor maybe more accurately, had the chops to carry the show. But I too was way off.
I also though, more generally don't think you can compare the shows. Walter White was a more complex and compelling character than even Jimmy is, and the pace of Breaking Bad was different. I was hooked from episode 1, scene 1 of Breaking Bad.
I'm not sure I would have watched Better Call Saul, or maybe I wouldn't have given it as long if I hadn't see and loved Breaking Bad first. I'm glad I did because I love both shows.
Then in this episode, when Hamlin was weeping over how he may have had something to do with Chuck's demise, Jimmy just kind of smirked and said whatever, even though Jimmy knew the part he'd played.
In other words, he finally took Chuck's advice and stopped feeling guilty about it.
Then in this episode, when Hamlin was weeping over how he may have had something to do with Chuck's demise, Jimmy just kind of smirked and said whatever, even though Jimmy knew the part he'd played.
In other words, he finally took Chuck's advice and stopped feeling guilty about it.
We’re seeing his transition to become Saul Goodman, who is much less concerned about personal guilt.
Who’s the cab driver?
Good question - my read was he was really sad, but conflicted. To me the whole bit about him sitting on the couch staring into space all night was kind of like a Star Wars-esque good side vs bad side conflict going on in his head. He knew he played a big role in Chucks demise, but the last thing Chuck ever said to him was “I really don’t care about you that much”.
In the end, he accepts that he’s at his best being “slipping Jimmy”, and that was the trigger for him to finally go full-Saul
Now that Chuck was dead he was I think a little confused. Maybe even relieved that he didn't need to try and prove himself to anyone anymore and he could be free to do what comes easily to him.
No standards to try and live up to, no bar that had been set.
maybe that's too deep or reading too much into a few scenes but that was kind of my take.
I think he was conflicted, because he didn't really know what caused Chuck to go into his final death spiral, and he had to face the possibility that he had something to do with it. Then Howard confides in him that his final blow-up with Chuck over the insurance was (in Howard's mind), the precipitating event. And immediately, Jimmy makes the decision to allow Howard to take on the guilt, making Jimmy feel better about everything.
I definitely think he was pretending and wasn't conflicted at all, except for maybe on that bench outside the house in the beginning where he was still gathering his thoughts.
But other than that, I think he was totally fine. He was just bored with Howard going over the obituary. He was going through the motions and being nice to people who were offering condolences at the funeral because they didn't really do anything to him. No need to be a dick. But he didn't care.
Then when Howard opened up at the end about his own culpability, that's when we as the audience got the first concrete look at Jimmy's apathy. But I think it was there for almost the whole show prior.
Additionally, I've gotten to a point where I dislike looking at the recap of a previous episode prior to a new episode. I feel like they're not crafted with great care these days and they make it pretty easy to see where an episode is going to go. It's almost like a spoiler for me in a weird way. I watched the recap the other night because it had been so long and I actually did need a refresher. They showed Chuck saying to Jimmy "you never really meant that much to me." As soon as I saw that I suspected part of the theme of this one was going to be Jimmy not giving a shit about Chuck's death. Sure enough, that turned out to be the final impression.
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Was pretending to be sad the entire time or did he just decide to be over it at that moment is my question.
I think he was conflicted, because he didn't really know what caused Chuck to go into his final death spiral, and he had to face the possibility that he had something to do with it. Then Howard confides in him that his final blow-up with Chuck over the insurance was (in Howard's mind), the precipitating event. And immediately, Jimmy makes the decision to allow Howard to take on the guilt, making Jimmy feel better about everything.
Disagree with this because it was Jimmy who made the whole insurance fiasco come to light in the first place.
Without Chuck there to calm Jimmy down, she is going to see the real crazy side of Jimmy and shes not going to like it.
Without Chuck there to calm Jimmy down, she is going to see the real crazy side of Jimmy and shes not going to like it.
Good point about Kim - she gave him a look that showed she realizes he’s no longer being the compassionate guy she’s known and liked for years
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Was pretending to be sad the entire time or did he just decide to be over it at that moment is my question.
I think he was conflicted, because he didn't really know what caused Chuck to go into his final death spiral, and he had to face the possibility that he had something to do with it. Then Howard confides in him that his final blow-up with Chuck over the insurance was (in Howard's mind), the precipitating event. And immediately, Jimmy makes the decision to allow Howard to take on the guilt, making Jimmy feel better about everything.
Disagree with this because it was Jimmy who made the whole insurance fiasco come to light in the first place.
Agree with Blacklight the more I think about it.
Howard doesn't know Jimmy caused the insurance fiasco. Only Jimmy knows that, but when it becomes apparent that Howard is taking the blame because he caved to the insurance company and effectively forcing Chuck to retire (and commit suicide) Jimmy has his conscience freed. Even more so when Howard said the competence hearing had nothing to do with it, it was all the insurance fiasco.
Even if he knows he initiated the insurance review/revocation, he can live that, as long as publicly someone else feels they were the cause.
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Was pretending to be sad the entire time or did he just decide to be over it at that moment is my question.
I think he was conflicted, because he didn't really know what caused Chuck to go into his final death spiral, and he had to face the possibility that he had something to do with it. Then Howard confides in him that his final blow-up with Chuck over the insurance was (in Howard's mind), the precipitating event. And immediately, Jimmy makes the decision to allow Howard to take on the guilt, making Jimmy feel better about everything.
Disagree with this because it was Jimmy who made the whole insurance fiasco come to light in the first place.
Agree with Blacklight the more I think about it.
Howard doesn't know Jimmy caused the insurance fiasco. Only Jimmy knows that, but when it becomes apparent that Howard is taking the blame because he caved to the insurance company and effectively forcing Chuck to retire (and commit suicide) Jimmy has his conscience freed. Even more so when Howard said the competence hearing had nothing to do with it, it was all the insurance fiasco.
Even if he knows he initiated the insurance review/revocation, he can live that, as long as publicly someone else feels they were the cause.
Yeah that make much more sense to me. He felt bad because Jimmy thought it was all his fault. Howard feels the guilt, because he was forcing him out and feels like it was his fault Chuck killed himself. Jimmy feels the guilt come right off of him, because A) Howard is taking the blame B) Howard could have not forced him out and he's admitting that.
I think Jimmy really wanted Chuck to suffer a bit, not kill himself.
Side note, I'm not sure how I am going to like this show without Chuck. His illness was an interesting part of the story that managed to make a corporate lawyer hearing pretty much a must watch episode.
I wonder if the show will slump a little bit because Chuck is gone.
Even if he knows he initiated the insurance review/revocation, he can live that, as long as publicly someone else feels they were the cause.
To each his own, but I don't get this.
Why would Howard feeling unjustifiably guilty for a transgression Saul got the ball rolling on make him feel less guilty? If anything I'd think it would exacerbate the guilt as not only is someone potentially dead because of him, but another relatively innocent party is in pain due to his actions. Doesn't make sense to me for a guy to feel less guilty as more people suffer because of him.
I think he thought it was setting up Chuck at the competence hearing that led to Chuck's demise, when he found out it was the insurance thing he didn't feel much better.
When Howard mentioned that Chuck wanted to fight the insurance company legally, but Howard nixed it and Howard felt like that was the straw the broke the camel's back it removed Jimmy from being the indirect cause of his brother's death.
Just one take - as Blacklight opined above. And I believe it. I don't think Jimmy simply didn't care about Chuck. He clearly did. I do agree at the funeral he didn't give a shit about the people consoling him at the funeral or the obituary, but until Howard got him off the hook I think he was legit depressed.
Jimmy may have tipped off the insurance company, but he is not responsible for Chuck being mental, or for Howard forcing him out, or for Chuck's actions afterward.
Jimmy was sad, conflicted, confused, despondant. Why would he continue to fake it when Kim is passed out, or when others aren't around?
I think he comes to (or perhaps more accurately, embraces) a viewpoint that as long as he isn't directly harming someone, he isn't responsible for their actions if he's a shady lawyer. In BB, he was shady, but he also tried (unsuccessfully) to steer Walter in a direction where harm wouldn't come to Walter. Saul does not stop having a good side. He simply decides to embrace a shady border on the breaking/not breaking the law. He helps people, like Walter, launder money, and even though he knows it is illegal money, he makes it a point to legally stay on the right side of the law - he doesn't ask, and prevents others from telling, him anything he shouldn't legally know. It is Walter White who drags him in so far he ends up having to turn into Gene.
He may also change his name out of a desire to distance himself from the family name and Chuck. He may be running from something just as much as running to something.
The show is still a critical darling, but I think its dirty secret is that the spinoff should've been about Mike and his post-police career. Saul being Saul in Breaking Bad was far more entertaining than watching Jimmy become Saul in the years pre-BB.