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NFT: Mets Minors 8/7/2018- 6 Hits for Granadillo

DanMetroMan : 8/7/2018 7:36 am
AAA Gagnon
AA Gage
A+ Gibbons
Columbia TBD
BK Walker
Kingsport Peden
GCL TBD
DSL1
DSL2


AAA
Dom 1-4, 2b, K
Peterson 1.1 innings 4 k's

A+
Carpio 0-5
Paez 2-4, 2b (.316 2 homers, 3 walks over his last 10
Vasquez 0-4, BB, K
Sanchez 2-4, 2 2b, K
Tiberi 1-4, K
Brodey 1-3, BB, K
Peterson 6 innings 8 hits 2 runs 1 walk 6 k's

BK
Adolph 1-5, 3b, K (7 triples in only 140 AB's
Dirocie 2-4, 2b, SB
Meyer 0-3, K
Hanhold 2 innings 1 hit 0 runs 0 walks 1 k
Gilliam 0.2 innings 1 hit 2 runs 1 walk 2 k's
Why exactly is Rasquin still in BK after 63 games there last season? He was suspended but it's now 21 games in BK... leads me to believe they don't think much of him as a prospect. Repeaters in BK NEVER turn into prospects.

Kingsport Game1
Granadillo 2-4
Kelenic 0-4, 2 k's
Newton 3-4, 2b, K
Santana 2-4, K
Vientos 0-1, 3 walks
Beracierta 1-4, K
Bryant 6 innings 1 hit 0 runs 0 walks 7 k's (quietly a nice little season, excellent start)
Tripp 1 inning 2 hits 2 runs 1 walk 0 k's


Game2
Granadillo 4-4, SB (.371 with 3 walks over his last 10, 22 in February, would nice to see him pushed a bit, should skip BK next season)
Kelenic 1-4, 2b, K
Newton 1-3, K
Santana 0-2, 2 BB
Vientos 0-4, 2 k's

GCL
Lindsay 0-3, BB, 2 k's
Consuegra 0-4, BB, K
Mauricio 0-2, 2 BB

DSL
Hernandez 1-3, SB
Escorcha 5 innings 2 hits 0 er 1 walk 6 k's
Peterson  
DanMetroMan : 8/7/2018 7:38 am : link
sat 91-92
Dan  
allstarjim : 8/7/2018 9:09 am : link
I get that overall, you want hard throwers. But Ron has said this plenty...if you control your pitches, 90 is enough. Look at what Aaron Nola is doing this year. He is a legitimate TOR ace, one of the best in baseball having a CY Young caliber year, WHIP under 1.00. Fastball is 91-93.

Further, because almost everyone is throwing hard these days, hitters are getting used to it. I believe having that balance in your rotation and bullpen is helpful to preventing opposing hitters from finding their swing. That's why I've felt that it was a great idea for the Mets to separate deGrom and Syndergaard in the rotation with Matz or Vargas.

Will the Mets view Peterson as a rotation piece of the puzzle without him throwing 95+? I hope so if he is commanding his secondary pitches and getting results.
I think the Mets  
Metnut : 8/7/2018 9:11 am : link
were hoping that Peterson's velocity would creep up 2-3 mph as he matured given his huge frame. I remember reading that they thought he was "projectable" in that way.

No sign of it so far.
RE: Dan  
DanMetroMan : 8/7/2018 9:23 am : link
In comment 14031324 allstarjim said:
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I get that overall, you want hard throwers. But Ron has said this plenty...if you control your pitches, 90 is enough. Look at what Aaron Nola is doing this year. He is a legitimate TOR ace, one of the best in baseball having a CY Young caliber year, WHIP under 1.00. Fastball is 91-93.

Further, because almost everyone is throwing hard these days, hitters are getting used to it. I believe having that balance in your rotation and bullpen is helpful to preventing opposing hitters from finding their swing. That's why I've felt that it was a great idea for the Mets to separate deGrom and Syndergaard in the rotation with Matz or Vargas.

Will the Mets view Peterson as a rotation piece of the puzzle without him throwing 95+? I hope so if he is commanding his secondary pitches and getting results.


That's a very simplistic view. Nola has plus overall stuff. Peterson 6.3 K/9, 13.0 H/9, 3.0 BB/9...Nola was in the bigs at 22 years old, Peterson is 23 next month. Nola at A+ (a year younger than Peterson) 8.6 K/9, 1.4 BB/9, 6.9 H/9. No, you don't need to throw 1000 mph to succeed. But Peterson is not succeeding to this point... in A ball. He's been a disappointment. 4 swinging strikes last night, that's awful
Nola  
DanMetroMan : 8/7/2018 9:26 am : link
career in the minors 2.47 era 1.03 whip, 7.8 h/9, 1.5 BB/9 (and again he was a big leaguer his age 22 season, Peterson if lucky will be in AA next year at 23). Peterson career so far 3.81 era 9.6 h/9 1.32 whip and that's with Nola starting his career at A+. Peterson numbers are boosted by 63 innings in BK and Columbia.
Sure there's a few  
Metnut : 8/7/2018 9:29 am : link
outlier pitchers who can be good at low velocity, but the room for error is really small when you throw slow and a pitcher usually needs to have really nasty secondary stuff to go along with elite command to make it work.

You don't write a guy off because he can't throw hard, but it's hard to get excited about a guy like that when he already has a HUGE handicap against him.
Tanaka is a nice  
Metnut : 8/7/2018 9:30 am : link
example of a pitcher who rarely throws his fastball and is great but he still gets it up to 93-94mph with his fastball and has elite command and elite "secondary" stuff. (I use secondary in quotes because he throws the other stuff more than his fastball)
Final  
DanMetroMan : 8/7/2018 9:31 am : link
note on Nola. Nola's FB per fangraphs has been the 4th "best" FB in baseball this year behind Verlander, Cole and Scherzer, his curveball 5th best CB in baseball and CU 8th. He's been great because his stuff has been great.
RE: Tanaka is a nice  
DanMetroMan : 8/7/2018 9:37 am : link
In comment 14031366 Metnut said:
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example of a pitcher who rarely throws his fastball and is great but he still gets it up to 93-94mph with his fastball and has elite command and elite "secondary" stuff. (I use secondary in quotes because he throws the other stuff more than his fastball)


Tanaka also has what is akin to a secret weapon. His splitter which is a dominant knockout pitch and his slider is also 16th in baseball. So 2 big time secondaries and at top 25 cutter as well.
The velocity of a lefty is obviously  
bhill410 : 8/7/2018 10:40 am : link
Starkly different from the volocity or a righty. A lefty growing 92-93 is probably similar to 96 as a righty.
RE: The velocity of a lefty is obviously  
DanMetroMan : 8/7/2018 10:54 am : link
In comment 14031441 bhill410 said:
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Starkly different from the volocity or a righty. A lefty growing 92-93 is probably similar to 96 as a righty.


Again, the issue is lack of missed bats/swings and misses and control. The velocity is part of that but not all. He's not giving hitters a tough time.
Positive  
DanMetroMan : 8/7/2018 10:54 am : link
on Newton/Santana
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.  
DanMetroMan : 8/7/2018 10:58 am : link
A-Hern with a 2 run bomb, really heating up 16 for his last 42 with 4 walks, 2 HR's, 2 steals, OPS for August a robust 1.101 before today's HR.
just looking at the stats, Peterson has had a weird year  
Eric on Li : 8/7/2018 11:10 am : link
his FIP (3.6) is almost half of his ERA (6.5). His HR rate is really low (only 1 in 9 starts), which I guess means he's just giving up a lot of contact (babip is almost .400 too). His walk rate is fine. His K rate isn't great but that was never really his profile. I think Buehrle was the best case scenario comp if i'm remembering correctly and his current k-rate is still in that territory.

I was never all that enthused by his pick and there's still not too much to be enthused by, but considering the rep was that he could move quickly his performance is definitely disappointing. You'd hope a lower upside guy would at least have less time adjusting to a fair competition level. But there's still plenty of time though and if he can figure out how to pitch to contact more effectively things could change quickly I guess. Crazy that a good number of services had him as the top prospect in the system heading into the season and now you could make an argument he's not even top 10, but that's also bc the system had a good year.
RE: Positive  
Ira : 8/7/2018 11:26 am : link
In comment 14031459 DanMetroMan said:
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on Newton/Santana Link - ( New Window )


Nice article on Newton/Santana. It'll be fun to follow them and others now playing for Kingsport as they move through the system.
RE: just looking at the stats, Peterson has had a weird year  
DanMetroMan : 8/7/2018 11:26 am : link
In comment 14031469 Eric on Li said:
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his FIP (3.6) is almost half of his ERA (6.5). His HR rate is really low (only 1 in 9 starts), which I guess means he's just giving up a lot of contact (babip is almost .400 too). His walk rate is fine. His K rate isn't great but that was never really his profile. I think Buehrle was the best case scenario comp if i'm remembering correctly and his current k-rate is still in that territory.

I was never all that enthused by his pick and there's still not too much to be enthused by, but considering the rep was that he could move quickly his performance is definitely disappointing. You'd hope a lower upside guy would at least have less time adjusting to a fair competition level. But there's still plenty of time though and if he can figure out how to pitch to contact more effectively things could change quickly I guess. Crazy that a good number of services had him as the top prospect in the system heading into the season and now you could make an argument he's not even top 10, but that's also bc the system had a good year.


In fairness the system coming into the year might have been bottom 3 in baseball. Who else was going to be the #1 prospect? Gimenez coming off "okay" numbers in low A? He was #1 because he was picked 1st round. Nothing more.

Here was the NYFS top 10 headed into the season

1) Andres Gimenez (SS) 12/27 votes-44%
2) David Peterson (LHP) 12/24 votes-50%
3) Mark Vientos (SS/3B) 13/24 votes-54%
4) Peter Alonso (1B) 21/28 votes-75%
5) Thomas Szapucki (LHP) 10/22-45%
6) Justin Dunn (RHP) 4/20-20%, runoff with Lindsay/Guillorme/Kay 9/22-41%
7) Desmond Lindsay (OF) 12/26-46%
8) Luis Guillorme (SS) 8/25-32%, run-off with Kay 11/22-50%, advances due to more votes in previous poll
9) Anthony Kay (LHP) 9/24-38%, run-off with Bashlor 10/20-50%, advances due to more votes in previous poll
10) Tyler Bashlor (RHP) 11/16-69%

Awful options
hey Mets dudes  
jpkmets : 8/7/2018 11:27 am : link
Was out last night and missed the entire game. I saw that Thor had 19 swings and misses -- which to me is a great sign, as he's really been lacking in explosiveness to my eyes.

Seems like he was pitching well and then ran out of gas.

Anyone able to tell me if he was more like himself prior to hitting the wall?
Profile  
DanMetroMan : 8/7/2018 11:29 am : link
on Toffey
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Peterson and Lindsay  
Shecky : 8/7/2018 11:36 am : link
Peterson will fall out of top 10 for Mets farm rankings and Lindsay will fall out of the top 25. I would far from give on Peterson. Lindsay on the other hand, it amazes me that people still think he could turn into Pham lol

The good news is the top 10 this year will be ten times better than last years top 10.
RE: hey Mets dudes  
DanMetroMan : 8/7/2018 11:41 am : link
In comment 14031479 jpkmets said:
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Was out last night and missed the entire game. I saw that Thor had 19 swings and misses -- which to me is a great sign, as he's really been lacking in explosiveness to my eyes.

Seems like he was pitching well and then ran out of gas.

Anyone able to tell me if he was more like himself prior to hitting the wall?


Agreed. Which is why you need to go beyond the box score, and my comments about Peterson reflect that... 4 swings and misses is really poor. That's a 3.88, even Buehrle posted double that (and better) as a big leaguer.
RE: Peterson and Lindsay  
DanMetroMan : 8/7/2018 11:42 am : link
In comment 14031487 Shecky said:
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Peterson will fall out of top 10 for Mets farm rankings and Lindsay will fall out of the top 25. I would far from give on Peterson. Lindsay on the other hand, it amazes me that people still think he could turn into Pham lol

The good news is the top 10 this year will be ten times better than last years top 10.


Not giving up on Peterson. Just have low expectations. I think he's going to be closer to Clayton Richard or pre-late career "rebirth" Happ than anything near Mark Buerhle.
Vientos  
DanMetroMan : 8/7/2018 11:46 am : link
is a guy I love.

A few things on Vientos. #1 He's going to be 19 all of next season, he's half a year younger than Kelenic. I realize Kelenic is a CF (at least for now) but 3b isn't exactly 1b and Law said he's actually looked good at 3B. He might be a guy who starts slow at a level. Last season he had a .606 OPS in 24 games in July, then August came and he posted an .817 OPS hitting .307/.340/.470, this season .762 OPS in June,.862 in July and so far 1.149 in August. He's hit 8 homers to go with 6 doubles and 15 walks over his last 119 ab's. Sure, he has to put up big numbers to be in the #1 consideration but that's true of anyone who is going to be #1 in the system. There is a ton to like about Vientos.


Very roughly my top 11 for now in no particular order (order I'll worry about before next season)... Vientos, Gimenez, Kelenic, Newton, Santana, Dunn, Peterson, Mauricio, Alonso, Kilome, Szapucki.
After watching Matz and Wheeler all these years  
Shecky : 8/7/2018 11:47 am : link
It will be refreshing to watch pitchers, not throwers, in Kay and Peterson. If you like pitching at least.

Wheeler is the perfect example of why everyone always falls in love with stuff though. The tease that one day it will all click, the upside is great. A pitcher doesnt have that extra gear to grow, so its less exciting.

Just so frustrating seeing wasted talent when the talent is immense, but the mental part just isnt there.
Top 11  
Shecky : 8/7/2018 11:52 am : link
The beauty of that list. Is that out of that 11, realistically Alonso is the only one who has a chance to not still be considered a prospect in nine months.

Secondly, the best part, is there are five on that list that could very easily be #1 depending on who you talk to. Especially if you could look forward nine months... thats not becUse there is a lack of a clear number one. But because this will considered a top tier farm by next June!!!!
Pitching  
DanMetroMan : 8/7/2018 11:53 am : link
guy I spoke to said he thought as of right now he'd have a hard time projecting Kay as a SP because the breaking ball isn't there (and his delivery). He did say given the TJ he's willing to be open to gains going into next year.
RE: Pitching  
Shecky : 8/7/2018 11:57 am : link
In comment 14031507 DanMetroMan said:
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guy I spoke to said he thought as of right now he'd have a hard time projecting Kay as a SP because the breaking ball isn't there (and his delivery). He did say given the TJ he's willing to be open to gains going into next year.

Kay needs to be sent to bing ASAP. Or demot Frankie V and make him his pet project. I think a couple months together and he sky rockets in the minds of prospect followers. He just isnt sexy. But I think in todays game hed be a very frustrating pitcher to face after the power arms in a rotation.
One thing Ive never heard mentioned about the farm  
Shecky : 8/7/2018 12:00 pm : link
Is that next years 11-20 will be better than half the leagues 5-10...
Now if our 1-10 can churn out 3-4 that are viewed as top 50 prospects, we will have a top 5 farm by next September.

But first lets get to my top 10 call lol
There  
DanMetroMan : 8/7/2018 12:15 pm : link
are a bunch of players who should be promoted, namely Villines and his weak stuff but crazy numbers.
Lack of promotions  
Shecky : 8/7/2018 12:24 pm : link
Is very telling of Ricos power
RE: Vientos  
Eric on Li : 8/7/2018 12:25 pm : link
In comment 14031503 DanMetroMan said:
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is a guy I love.

A few things on Vientos. #1 He's going to be 19 all of next season, he's half a year younger than Kelenic. I realize Kelenic is a CF (at least for now) but 3b isn't exactly 1b and Law said he's actually looked good at 3B. He might be a guy who starts slow at a level. Last season he had a .606 OPS in 24 games in July, then August came and he posted an .817 OPS hitting .307/.340/.470, this season .762 OPS in June,.862 in July and so far 1.149 in August. He's hit 8 homers to go with 6 doubles and 15 walks over his last 119 ab's. Sure, he has to put up big numbers to be in the #1 consideration but that's true of anyone who is going to be #1 in the system. There is a ton to like about Vientos.


Very roughly my top 11 for now in no particular order (order I'll worry about before next season)... Vientos, Gimenez, Kelenic, Newton, Santana, Dunn, Peterson, Mauricio, Alonso, Kilome, Szapucki.


Agree across the board - from the minute they picked Vientos he was my favorite draft pick they've made since Kazmir. First real upside guy. The fact that he's showing this much power already is an unexpected surprise.
RE: hey Mets dudes  
allstarjim : 8/7/2018 12:35 pm : link
In comment 14031479 jpkmets said:
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Was out last night and missed the entire game. I saw that Thor had 19 swings and misses -- which to me is a great sign, as he's really been lacking in explosiveness to my eyes.

Seems like he was pitching well and then ran out of gas.

Anyone able to tell me if he was more like himself prior to hitting the wall?


He got a little unlucky in the 7th and probably was running out of gas. After getting the first out, he hit two batters in a row, then 2 singles in a row, and left with the bases loaded having allowed only 1 run, but the bullpen allowed 3 other inherited runners to score.
Toffey has been a pleasant surprise so far  
Eric on Li : 8/7/2018 12:41 pm : link
not expecting it, but both he and Thompson have some chance to be next year's unexpected fringe guy like Mcneil this year.
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pjcas18 : 8/7/2018 3:33 pm : link

Michael Mayer
‏ @mikemayerMMO
2h2 hours ago

Through 2 innings today, Peter Alonso has an RBI double and three-run homer.

He now has 27 homers and 99 RBI in 383 at-bats.
RE: .  
Eric on Li : 8/7/2018 3:55 pm : link
In comment 14031773 pjcas18 said:
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Michael Mayer
‏ @mikemayerMMO
2h2 hours ago

Through 2 innings today, Peter Alonso has an RBI double and three-run homer.

He now has 27 homers and 99 RBI in 383 at-bats.


I really hope he gets called up soon. Would be great to find out what we have with him and Mcneil now instead of bringing more questions into ST.
Re: Alonso I would just leave him down in Vegas  
bhill410 : 8/7/2018 6:57 pm : link
No need to mess with service clock and gives him time to work on the hole he allegedly had down and outside. If he goes nuts in ST next year call him up end of April.
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