AAA Gagnon
AA Gage
A+ Gibbons
Columbia TBD
BK Walker
Kingsport Peden
GCL TBD
DSL1
DSL2
AAA
Dom 1-4, 2b, K
Peterson 1.1 innings 4 k's
A+
Carpio 0-5
Paez 2-4, 2b (.316 2 homers, 3 walks over his last 10
Vasquez 0-4, BB, K
Sanchez 2-4, 2 2b, K
Tiberi 1-4, K
Brodey 1-3, BB, K
Peterson 6 innings 8 hits 2 runs 1 walk 6 k's
BK
Adolph 1-5, 3b, K (7 triples in only 140 AB's
Dirocie 2-4, 2b, SB
Meyer 0-3, K
Hanhold 2 innings 1 hit 0 runs 0 walks 1 k
Gilliam 0.2 innings 1 hit 2 runs 1 walk 2 k's
Why exactly is Rasquin still in BK after 63 games there last season? He was suspended but it's now 21 games in BK... leads me to believe they don't think much of him as a prospect. Repeaters in BK NEVER turn into prospects.
Kingsport Game1
Granadillo 2-4
Kelenic 0-4, 2 k's
Newton 3-4, 2b, K
Santana 2-4, K
Vientos 0-1, 3 walks
Beracierta 1-4, K
Bryant 6 innings 1 hit 0 runs 0 walks 7 k's (quietly a nice little season, excellent start)
Tripp 1 inning 2 hits 2 runs 1 walk 0 k's
Game2
Granadillo 4-4, SB (.371 with 3 walks over his last 10, 22 in February, would nice to see him pushed a bit, should skip BK next season)
Kelenic 1-4, 2b, K
Newton 1-3, K
Santana 0-2, 2 BB
Vientos 0-4, 2 k's
GCL
Lindsay 0-3, BB, 2 k's
Consuegra 0-4, BB, K
Mauricio 0-2, 2 BB
DSL
Hernandez 1-3, SB
Escorcha 5 innings 2 hits 0 er 1 walk 6 k's
Further, because almost everyone is throwing hard these days, hitters are getting used to it. I believe having that balance in your rotation and bullpen is helpful to preventing opposing hitters from finding their swing. That's why I've felt that it was a great idea for the Mets to separate deGrom and Syndergaard in the rotation with Matz or Vargas.
Will the Mets view Peterson as a rotation piece of the puzzle without him throwing 95+? I hope so if he is commanding his secondary pitches and getting results.
No sign of it so far.
Further, because almost everyone is throwing hard these days, hitters are getting used to it. I believe having that balance in your rotation and bullpen is helpful to preventing opposing hitters from finding their swing. That's why I've felt that it was a great idea for the Mets to separate deGrom and Syndergaard in the rotation with Matz or Vargas.
Will the Mets view Peterson as a rotation piece of the puzzle without him throwing 95+? I hope so if he is commanding his secondary pitches and getting results.
That's a very simplistic view. Nola has plus overall stuff. Peterson 6.3 K/9, 13.0 H/9, 3.0 BB/9...Nola was in the bigs at 22 years old, Peterson is 23 next month. Nola at A+ (a year younger than Peterson) 8.6 K/9, 1.4 BB/9, 6.9 H/9. No, you don't need to throw 1000 mph to succeed. But Peterson is not succeeding to this point... in A ball. He's been a disappointment. 4 swinging strikes last night, that's awful
You don't write a guy off because he can't throw hard, but it's hard to get excited about a guy like that when he already has a HUGE handicap against him.
Tanaka also has what is akin to a secret weapon. His splitter which is a dominant knockout pitch and his slider is also 16th in baseball. So 2 big time secondaries and at top 25 cutter as well.
Again, the issue is lack of missed bats/swings and misses and control. The velocity is part of that but not all. He's not giving hitters a tough time.
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I was never all that enthused by his pick and there's still not too much to be enthused by, but considering the rep was that he could move quickly his performance is definitely disappointing. You'd hope a lower upside guy would at least have less time adjusting to a fair competition level. But there's still plenty of time though and if he can figure out how to pitch to contact more effectively things could change quickly I guess. Crazy that a good number of services had him as the top prospect in the system heading into the season and now you could make an argument he's not even top 10, but that's also bc the system had a good year.
Nice article on Newton/Santana. It'll be fun to follow them and others now playing for Kingsport as they move through the system.
I was never all that enthused by his pick and there's still not too much to be enthused by, but considering the rep was that he could move quickly his performance is definitely disappointing. You'd hope a lower upside guy would at least have less time adjusting to a fair competition level. But there's still plenty of time though and if he can figure out how to pitch to contact more effectively things could change quickly I guess. Crazy that a good number of services had him as the top prospect in the system heading into the season and now you could make an argument he's not even top 10, but that's also bc the system had a good year.
In fairness the system coming into the year might have been bottom 3 in baseball. Who else was going to be the #1 prospect? Gimenez coming off "okay" numbers in low A? He was #1 because he was picked 1st round. Nothing more.
Here was the NYFS top 10 headed into the season
1) Andres Gimenez (SS) 12/27 votes-44%
2) David Peterson (LHP) 12/24 votes-50%
3) Mark Vientos (SS/3B) 13/24 votes-54%
4) Peter Alonso (1B) 21/28 votes-75%
5) Thomas Szapucki (LHP) 10/22-45%
6) Justin Dunn (RHP) 4/20-20%, runoff with Lindsay/Guillorme/Kay 9/22-41%
7) Desmond Lindsay (OF) 12/26-46%
8) Luis Guillorme (SS) 8/25-32%, run-off with Kay 11/22-50%, advances due to more votes in previous poll
9) Anthony Kay (LHP) 9/24-38%, run-off with Bashlor 10/20-50%, advances due to more votes in previous poll
10) Tyler Bashlor (RHP) 11/16-69%
Awful options
Seems like he was pitching well and then ran out of gas.
Anyone able to tell me if he was more like himself prior to hitting the wall?
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The good news is the top 10 this year will be ten times better than last years top 10.
Seems like he was pitching well and then ran out of gas.
Anyone able to tell me if he was more like himself prior to hitting the wall?
Agreed. Which is why you need to go beyond the box score, and my comments about Peterson reflect that... 4 swings and misses is really poor. That's a 3.88, even Buehrle posted double that (and better) as a big leaguer.
The good news is the top 10 this year will be ten times better than last years top 10.
Not giving up on Peterson. Just have low expectations. I think he's going to be closer to Clayton Richard or pre-late career "rebirth" Happ than anything near Mark Buerhle.
A few things on Vientos. #1 He's going to be 19 all of next season, he's half a year younger than Kelenic. I realize Kelenic is a CF (at least for now) but 3b isn't exactly 1b and Law said he's actually looked good at 3B. He might be a guy who starts slow at a level. Last season he had a .606 OPS in 24 games in July, then August came and he posted an .817 OPS hitting .307/.340/.470, this season .762 OPS in June,.862 in July and so far 1.149 in August. He's hit 8 homers to go with 6 doubles and 15 walks over his last 119 ab's. Sure, he has to put up big numbers to be in the #1 consideration but that's true of anyone who is going to be #1 in the system. There is a ton to like about Vientos.
Very roughly my top 11 for now in no particular order (order I'll worry about before next season)... Vientos, Gimenez, Kelenic, Newton, Santana, Dunn, Peterson, Mauricio, Alonso, Kilome, Szapucki.
Wheeler is the perfect example of why everyone always falls in love with stuff though. The tease that one day it will all click, the upside is great. A pitcher doesnt have that extra gear to grow, so its less exciting.
Just so frustrating seeing wasted talent when the talent is immense, but the mental part just isnt there.
Secondly, the best part, is there are five on that list that could very easily be #1 depending on who you talk to. Especially if you could look forward nine months... thats not becUse there is a lack of a clear number one. But because this will considered a top tier farm by next June!!!!
Kay needs to be sent to bing ASAP. Or demot Frankie V and make him his pet project. I think a couple months together and he sky rockets in the minds of prospect followers. He just isnt sexy. But I think in todays game hed be a very frustrating pitcher to face after the power arms in a rotation.
Now if our 1-10 can churn out 3-4 that are viewed as top 50 prospects, we will have a top 5 farm by next September.
But first lets get to my top 10 call lol
A few things on Vientos. #1 He's going to be 19 all of next season, he's half a year younger than Kelenic. I realize Kelenic is a CF (at least for now) but 3b isn't exactly 1b and Law said he's actually looked good at 3B. He might be a guy who starts slow at a level. Last season he had a .606 OPS in 24 games in July, then August came and he posted an .817 OPS hitting .307/.340/.470, this season .762 OPS in June,.862 in July and so far 1.149 in August. He's hit 8 homers to go with 6 doubles and 15 walks over his last 119 ab's. Sure, he has to put up big numbers to be in the #1 consideration but that's true of anyone who is going to be #1 in the system. There is a ton to like about Vientos.
Very roughly my top 11 for now in no particular order (order I'll worry about before next season)... Vientos, Gimenez, Kelenic, Newton, Santana, Dunn, Peterson, Mauricio, Alonso, Kilome, Szapucki.
Agree across the board - from the minute they picked Vientos he was my favorite draft pick they've made since Kazmir. First real upside guy. The fact that he's showing this much power already is an unexpected surprise.
Seems like he was pitching well and then ran out of gas.
Anyone able to tell me if he was more like himself prior to hitting the wall?
He got a little unlucky in the 7th and probably was running out of gas. After getting the first out, he hit two batters in a row, then 2 singles in a row, and left with the bases loaded having allowed only 1 run, but the bullpen allowed 3 other inherited runners to score.
Michael Mayer
@mikemayerMMO
2h2 hours ago
Through 2 innings today, Peter Alonso has an RBI double and three-run homer.
He now has 27 homers and 99 RBI in 383 at-bats.
Michael Mayer
@mikemayerMMO
2h2 hours ago
Through 2 innings today, Peter Alonso has an RBI double and three-run homer.
He now has 27 homers and 99 RBI in 383 at-bats.
I really hope he gets called up soon. Would be great to find out what we have with him and Mcneil now instead of bringing more questions into ST.