NFT: Aug 7 Yanks Talk: Clint Frazier vs Michael Kay

I usually stream the games over the MLB app while working in my garage. I grew up listening to them so it's familiar to me. I take any well hit ball with a grain of salt though :)

In comment 14031393 FatMan in Charlotte said:

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Quote: Kay is whatever Anakim : 9:41 am : link : reply He isn't the best and certainly not as entertaining as Francesa, but I find him a lot more pleasant than Francesa. Just seems like a more genuine, nicer, less arrogant individual. I'll preface this by saying I've never gotten feedback on Francesa, but everything I've heard about Kay has been terrible. My sister's firm terminated him as a client because he was such an ass to deal with. Clubhouse guys tell stories about him berating people for not knowing who he is and then going above them to get them reprimanded or fired. One of the trainers said he would belittle them as "meaningless". Mike F. seems like he could be an ass too, but I've never heard anything about him.

Fair enough. I don't know either of them personally, but Kay does treat his callers with more respect than Francesa does to his. It definitely could be lip service or pandering, though.

And while he was always goofy, 20 years ago there was a bit of charm to the silly nicknames and calls. Now, though, that's pretty much all he does. He barely pays attention to the games themselves anymore. He and Suzyn babble on about god only knows and maybe once every five minutes say something about the game.

they've been critical of the Yankees when deserved. They've dropped (or at least reduced) the homerism

In comment 14031397 Anakim said:

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In comment 14031393 FatMan in Charlotte said: Quote: Quote: Kay is whatever Anakim : 9:41 am : link : reply He isn't the best and certainly not as entertaining as Francesa, but I find him a lot more pleasant than Francesa. Just seems like a more genuine, nicer, less arrogant individual. I'll preface this by saying I've never gotten feedback on Francesa, but everything I've heard about Kay has been terrible. My sister's firm terminated him as a client because he was such an ass to deal with. Clubhouse guys tell stories about him berating people for not knowing who he is and then going above them to get them reprimanded or fired. One of the trainers said he would belittle them as "meaningless". Mike F. seems like he could be an ass too, but I've never heard anything about him. Fair enough. I don't know either of them personally, but Kay does treat his callers with more respect than Francesa does to his. It definitely could be lip service or pandering, though.

he does? last week he called them all imbeciles

and have been over the years. Not sure exactly what it is, but he sort of rubs me the wrong way.

With the Frazier thing, some guys are more prone to injuries. It's not necessarily a toughness aspect. I wouldn't know, but hard to imagine Frazier does not want to be out there given the opportunity with guys going down.

He sometimes talks as if he is better than everyone else. I don't like his voice either. Being a yankees fan and my interest in listening to LaGreca, I'm forced to listen to this guy's voice way more than I'd like to.

Would not be upset at all if they got someone else in there, but can't see that happening.

In comment 14031399 Greg from LI said:

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And while he was always goofy, 20 years ago there was a bit of charm to the silly nicknames and calls. Now, though, that's pretty much all he does. He barely pays attention to the games themselves anymore. He and Suzyn babble on about god only knows and maybe once every five minutes say something about the game.

Suzyn's color commentary is shit. She talked about how Chance Adams was a reliever who had been stretched out to start that game in Boston. In the last two plus years he has relieved ONCE and I'm pretty sure that was a piggyback start. He relieved in college but they drafted him with the express intention of trying him at starting.

Sterling's homerun calls are what they are. The problem is that it's not just his attention that has ebbed, it's his ability to actually follow a game. The only way you can tell the fate of a long fly ball is to listen to the crowd noise.

he refuses to allow don lagrecas name on the show

The neurologist told her it takes 18 months to fully recover - meaning no more symptoms appearing. She was in a very minor car accident this summer (did not bang her head) and had concussion like symptoms for weeks.

Kay should do some research before calling people out.

Tom Verducci thinks Severino is tipping his pitches
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"it's a shame that Clint Frazier can't get healthy" then this would be a non-issue. Instead, he said "shame on Clint Frazier" which is completely different. If Kay meant the former, he should apologize and say that is what he meant; instead, his stubbornness caused him to double-down and attack Clint again for now having the audacity to take Kay's words at face value.

In comment 14031369 Greg from LI said:

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So let me get this straight - Clint Frazier has worked his entire life towards a major league baseball career. He would have likely already had the chance to play regularly on another team, but he's been blocked by Aaron Judge and Aaron Hicks and Giancarlo Stanton. Judge goes down. It's Frazier's biggest shot to show what he can do.....and you think he's sitting it out because he's just lazy?

Exactly this. And when Clint has played, he has done so with enthusiasm and excitement of a young kid finally getting to live his dream. Why on earth would he slow play an injury to avoid playing? He isn't some long-in-the-tooth star sitting on a fat contract. He's a young kid who still hasn't had the chance to be an everyday player.

and cringed when I heard it - I thought for sure he would immediately correct himself and rephrase it, but he chose not to. His "apology" was weak, too. You can bet he'll now have a running feud with Clint for the rest of his life, just like he did with Mussina when Moose had the audacity to turn down an interview request. Kay seems to have a decent enough rapport with fans, but he handles these little conflicts like a 2-year-old.

In comment 14031425 bceagle05 said:

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and cringed when I heard it - I thought for sure he would immediately correct himself and rephrase it, but he chose not to. His "apology" was weak, too. You can bet he'll now have a running feud with Clint for the rest of his life, just like he did with Mussina when Moose had the audacity to turn down an interview request. Kay seems to have a decent enough rapport with fans, but he handles these little conflicts like a 2-year-old.

didnt he have a feud with cc as well until rosenburg fixed it?

players. The ability to see the pitch, recognize it, and lock in enough to reach immediately to hit the pitch is incredibly hard. A concussion makes it harder to focus, causes dizziness, and blurred vision, and delayed response time. Any lingering effects from a concussion, as mild as they may be, will make it impossible to be a productive hitter at the plate.

our 2nd baseman had a concussion in high school and 2-3 years later would have trouble playing in sunlight

but never really knew the story. I bet Kay made similar dumbass comments when CC left for alcohol rehab.

He suffered one in the 2003 postseason and had issues shaving under the bright bathroom lights, so he just let it grow.

Cervelli has probably had more than he can count, but has averaged a mid-.700s OPS as a Pirate. But that isn't to say he won't feel it in ten years after he hangs them up.

Michael Kay
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@RealMichaelKay

The next time I make light of someone's injury will be the first time. I should have said how unfortunate you and Ellsbury's injuries are. It came out in a clumsy way. If you took it the wrong way, I apologize and look forward to speaking with you personally.

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"If you took it the wrong way"

Wait, is there a debate as to how Frazier took it? He seems to make his feelings very clear by what he said initially.

And here's the thing, he doesn't apologize unless Frazier says something. So he didn't think he said anything wrong at all. He can't claim now to being "clumsy" as there was plenty of hours before Frazier called him out for him to clarify himself.

...has such horrible TV and radio announcers?

I have no reason not to believe him, that he was not blaming Clint but was being tongue-in-cheek, conveying "what do you want the Yankees to do when they have a bunch of injuries they can't control?"

The problem was Kay's delivery which used the same aggressive ranting he used to bemoan the problem as well as his "shame on..." comments. It was exacerbated by Kay's stubborn and defensive responses:

"You know I was being facetious, right?" No, that wasn't clear at all.

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"Clint, I would never question someone's injury. Never. In fact, I have gone out of my way to say how I felt for you this year and how badly I know how you want to play. It is beyond my comprehension that you would think I would minimize what you are going through?" "The next time I make light of someone's injury will be the first time. I should have said how unfortunate you and Ellsbury's injuries are. It came out in a clumsy way. If you took it the wrong way, I apologize and look forward to speaking with you personally."

When someone is being ironic/facetious/sarcastic, it places a burden to make that clear and not take umbrage when it is delivered poorly.

What he should have Tweeted was this:

"I apologize to Clint Frazier and Jacoby Ellsbury that I didn't deliver my point clearly. I said "shame on them" ironically, because how can you blame people for things that are outside of their control? I would never blame a player for his injury or question his recovery. I know full well that Clint and Jacoby are doing everything they can to get healthy and I can't wait to see them back in pinstripes. I look forward to speaking with them personally."

that Kay wouldn't understand that his rude, obnoxious criticism of a young Yankee player was beyond comprehension. It was really awful.

"Just joking" is a follow-up used by the most obnoxious of human beings.

they'd probably be happy if he stayed on the DL for the next 3 years.

I said a month ago I thought Severino was tipping his pitches. Amazing that the Yankees can't figure it out.

now. As has been repeated above many times, even if he was being facetious, his "apology" (really just backtracking) was pathetic.

could be an impetus to get him out of the booth and conveniently take Sterling And Suzy out too!!!

We can all hope

In comment 14031417 Greg from LI said:

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Tom Verducci thinks Severino is tipping his pitches Link - ( New Window )

I think he is too. The velo is still there, and he doesn't seem hurt. I think he's had issues with this in the past, hasn't he? It seemed to start around the time of the game against CLE where it looked like every hitter knew what was coming before it got there.

Hard to believe they wouldn't have looked into that by now, though. You'd think if that were the case, they'd have corrected it after all this time but who knows.

Reminded me of Pettitte's start in the 2001 World Series where he was throwing batting practice to the Dbacks.

Says "It came out in a clumsy way"
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be involved in.

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interesting how many Yankee fans hate Kay. Personally I like him. Someone mentioned he called a caller an imbecil. If the so called caller is one then he is correct. I heard he is very gracious to fans out in public, taking selfies and such. I wonder how many who hate his play by play listen to other teams announcers. Try listening to the A's,Giants, Whte sox, Cubs. To each his own.

In comment 14031624 Ryan in Albany said:

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For shame.

In comment 14031626 mitch300 said:

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interesting how many Yankee fans hate Kay. Personally I like him. Someone mentioned he called a caller an imbecil. If the so called caller is one then he is correct. I heard he is very gracious to fans out in public, taking selfies and such. I wonder how many who hate his play by play listen to other teams announcers. Try listening to the A's,Giants, Whte sox, Cubs. To each his own.

he called them imbeciles because they were ripping boone...it was not 1 person he said it to everyone...

anyone who ripped boone he said they were imbeciles and didnt know what they were talking about

Dear Clint,

I wrote you but you still ain�t callin. I left my cell, my booth, and my radio show at the bottom. I sent you two tweets this morning you must not have gottem. There probably was a problem with my autocorrect or somethin�. Sometimes I mess up people�s handles when I�m nervous. But anyways f*** it what�s up man how�s your concussion? My big heads been crazy too with all these tweets and callers. I�m gonna get a cat too. Guess what imma call him. Imma call him Frazier. I read about your shorter hair cut too I�m sorry. I had a few friends who cut their hair that was unwanted. I know you probably hear this everyday but I�m your biggest fan. I even liked the off-the-speaker shot you hit in Tamps. I got a room full of all your red thunder pictures, man. I like the shit you did in Cleveland, too, that shit was phat. Anyways, I hope you get this man, just to chat, truly yours, your biggest fan. This is Kay.
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In comment 14031345 FatMan in Charlotte said:

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your takes get worse and worse: Quote: Cashman toadies HomerJones45 : 9:20 am : link : reply anything bad happens it's Tampa. Anything good, the great Cashman. It wasn't Tampa that saddled the roster with never-wuzzes like Voit. Please. Yep. Voit is the face of the roster of a likely 100 win team. When you have to fucking reach for Voit as a sign the roster has a hole, you pretty much might as well concede that you've run out of points to complain about.

Make all the excuses you want; you're good at that. The mighty 100 win team got beat by the Orioles who are tanking, and then got their asses handed to them by the Red Sox without their best pitcher. Voit wears the uni and was trotted out in an important game. He doesn't need to be the face of the franchise to be an embarrassment.

And don't hand this bullshit about 100 win team when a handful of teams are out and out tanking, including at least two in the division.

In comment 14031410 Dunedin81 said:

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In comment 14031399 Greg from LI said: Quote: And while he was always goofy, 20 years ago there was a bit of charm to the silly nicknames and calls. Now, though, that's pretty much all he does. He barely pays attention to the games themselves anymore. He and Suzyn babble on about god only knows and maybe once every five minutes say something about the game. Suzyn's color commentary is shit. She talked about how Chance Adams was a reliever who had been stretched out to start that game in Boston. In the last two plus years he has relieved ONCE and I'm pretty sure that was a piggyback start. He relieved in college but they drafted him with the express intention of trying him at starting. Sterling's homerun calls are what they are. The problem is that it's not just his attention that has ebbed, it's his ability to actually follow a game. The only way you can tell the fate of a long fly ball is to listen to the crowd noise.

Sterling has treated the gig as a joke since they paired him with the songbird of Broadway. Who can blame him? If the Yankees aren't taking it seriously, why should he.

In comment 14031423 PaulBlakeTSU said:

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In comment 14031369 Greg from LI said: Quote: So let me get this straight - Clint Frazier has worked his entire life towards a major league baseball career. He would have likely already had the chance to play regularly on another team, but he's been blocked by Aaron Judge and Aaron Hicks and Giancarlo Stanton. Judge goes down. It's Frazier's biggest shot to show what he can do.....and you think he's sitting it out because he's just lazy? Exactly this. And when Clint has played, he has done so with enthusiasm and excitement of a young kid finally getting to live his dream. Why on earth would he slow play an injury to avoid playing? He isn't some long-in-the-tooth star sitting on a fat contract. He's a young kid who still hasn't had the chance to be an everyday player.

Blah, blah, blah. Where is he with his enthusiasm? Doesn't appear to be begging to get on the field. Instead he's whining about Michael Kay who, pussy that he is, issues some half-ass apologia instead of sticking to his guns. Frazier said he is concussed, the team says he has migranes so those two can't even get together on what is supposedly wrong with him. Meanwhile, the Yankees are running Voit, Wade, Walker et al out there trying to make a play-in game.

And this is an MLB problem- migranes have become an epidemic, "twinges", "sore" body parts, rest periods, concussions that go on for months- in a non-contact sport . . . the pre-90's era ballplayers have to be laughing at this stuff. And who can blame the ballplayers? Even a mug like Frazier is putting $11k a week in his pocket and doesn't have to pick up a ball or a bat or show up. "Yeah Doc, I still feel dizzy and oh, oh, I feel a headache coming on. See you on payday."

Ballplayers have gone soft. If Kay had any balls, which he doesn't, he'd say it.

(And he's not really in a position of strength when he's on them).

"Doesn't appear to be begging to get on the field"

LOL.. you can't make this shit up. Just stop posting.

In comment 14031725 Mad Mike said:

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(And he's not really in a position of strength when he's on them).

It's been a contentious day on BBI, but I think we can all agree that Homer's posts are the most ridiculous thing any of us will have read today.

And what is with all the fucking emphasis on Luke Voit? He's a backup bench player. Greg Bird is the 1B. You'd think the Yankees were like 50 games under .500 based on some of these posts.

In comment 14031741 shockeyisthebest8056 said:

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In comment 14031725 Mad Mike said: Quote: (And he's not really in a position of strength when he's on them). It's been a contentious day on BBI, but I think we can all agree that Homer's posts are the most ridiculous thing any of us will have read today.

I counter with the Webb threads.

In comment 14031775 schabadoo said:

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I counter with the Webb threads.

Shockey made a strong bid, but that is a strong raise.

In comment 14031300 arniefez said:

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doing what he always does. He's Levine's mouth piece always has been always will be. He did the same thing with Bird last year.

Excellent point.

Michael Kay is a douche bag

In comment 14031313 Greg from LI said:

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Michael Kay is an embarrassment to the franchise, always has been. The fact that the Yankees' two main announcers on TV and radio suck so much is a disgrace. YES has some talented guys - Cone and Singleton especially - but Kay and Sterling are the dregs of their profession.

Their best broadcasts are the week that Kay is on vacation and Singleton does the play by play.

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In comment 14031339 FatMan in Charlotte said: Quote: I honestly don't know a single Yankee fan that wants to listen to Sterling and Suzyn. It is almost a universal dislike. The sad thing is he was a great listen in the 90's, but the last 10 years or so he has far out lived his shelf life. I don't know if its cognitive decline or what but he seriously has a hard time seeing and relaying what is going on. I tend to think it is cognitive. Skully and Ernie Harwell broadcasted well into their 80's and were sharp as a tack.

Sterling was never a good listen. He's just worse (by a lot) now. In the early to mid 90s, Kay was the only partner that made Sterling semi-tolerable. After Kay went to YES, Sterling just got to be completely unlistenable and they've paired him with horrible partners. Now, he is just an absolute joke. Is there anyone that likes his ridiculous HR calls?

In comment 14031379 Anakim said:

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Michael Kay ‏ Verified account @RealMichaelKay Michael Kay Retweeted Clint Frazier Clint, I would never question someone's injury. Never. In fact, I have gone out of my way to say how I felt for you this year and how badly I know how you want to play. It is beyond my comprehension that you would think I would minimize what you are going through.

Even if he is telling the truth about being facetious, that is still minimizing the injury.

In comment 14031952 Matt M. said:

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In comment 14031313 Greg from LI said: Quote: Michael Kay is an embarrassment to the franchise, always has been. The fact that the Yankees' two main announcers on TV and radio suck so much is a disgrace. YES has some talented guys - Cone and Singleton especially - but Kay and Sterling are the dregs of their profession. Their best broadcasts are the week that Kay is on vacation and Singleton does the play by play.

I really like Kenny - but I can't stand when they pair him with Ryan Rucco. He's horrendous.