So yesterday on The Micheal Kay Show, Mr. Kay called in while on vacation to react to the Yanks/Sox series. During his call in, he went on a rant about how certain players should feel shame for being injured, naming Jacoby Ellsbury and Clint Frazier.
| "When you're playing Luke Voit and Shane Robinson in important games, you know shame on the Yankees for not having the depth but again shame on guys like Jacoby Ellsbury for not getting healthy, shame on Clint Frazier for not getting healthy," Kay said. "Again you can't make them get healthy but if those guys are available it's a completely different animal." |
In response on Twitter, Frazier fired back saying
| "@RealMichaelKay facetious or not, I dont appreciate what you said today. im doing everything I can to get healthy so I can play symptom free ... so steer clear of publicly calling me out for not when we havent even had one convo about my concussion this year. #ShameOnYouBro |
Meanwhile Kay on Twitter has responded to folks saying he was being "facetious"
Not a good look for Michael Kay and good job by Clint sticking up for himself.
Clint Frazier calls out Michael Kay for criticizing injury - (
New Window )
The Yankees say this incident is migraines not concussion. Funny that Frazier called it a concussion.
But that was really idiotic by Kay, beyond stupid.
Quote:
The Yankees say this incident is migraines not concussion. Funny that Frazier called it a concussion.
But that was really idiotic by Kay, beyond stupid.
I belive it is migraines this time but a symptom of the eairlier concussion. Either way you cant play a guy in his condition and expect him to proform well. There is no sense in what Kay said. The blame is cleary on the team for moving all of its potential call up bats without adding one.
so now he is going to rip players that are hurt rather than rip boone
STFU and be glad you have the platform you do dickhead.
It really is awful. When we are in the car and turn on the game Sterling has become a running joke with the kids. We got in the car on the way home last night and we were like "time to play everyone's favorite game show- try and guess whats going on in the Yankee game by listening to John Sterling". Kay is a fool,but at least you can see what is going on on TV so PBP is no big deal. Like was said Singleton, Cone and even O'Neill do a good job so it makes the telecast listenable. Trying to decipher John and Susan's description of a convoluted play is like having a pre-schooler try and explain calculus.
Kay is a putz but he has a point proving even a broken clock is right twice a day. Ballplayers have gotten soft; it's a problem across MLB. It takes these guys weeks or months to come back from a sore this or a twinged that, they take themselves out of games over a twinge. Some of these guys don't exactly fight to get back on the field. Unless Frazier is having a daily migrane, and maybe he is, who knows, then take your medication and be available.
It is almost a universal dislike.
I have no doubt that there are players that milk injuries, but when it comes to nebulous type symptoms like post concussion syndrome we should tread carefully. Mike Francessa always brings up the classic example of not questioning an injury- the old Astros pitcher JR Richard from the 70's was accused of milking an injury and being "lazy" and then he had a stroke in the bullpen.
HomerJones45 : 9:20 am : link : reply
anything bad happens it's Tampa. Anything good, the great Cashman. It wasn't Tampa that saddled the roster with never-wuzzes like Voit. Please.
Yep. Voit is the face of the roster of a likely 100 win team.
When you have to fucking reach for Voit as a sign the roster has a hole, you pretty much might as well concede that you've run out of points to complain about.
It is almost a universal dislike.
The sad thing is he was a great listen in the 90's, but the last 10 years or so he has far out lived his shelf life. I don't know if its cognitive decline or what but he seriously has a hard time seeing and relaying what is going on. I tend to think it is cognitive. Skully and Ernie Harwell broadcasted well into their 80's and were sharp as a tack.
This.
Kay is a putz but he has a point proving even a broken clock is right twice a day. Ballplayers have gotten soft; it's a problem across MLB. It takes these guys weeks or months to come back from a sore this or a twinged that, they take themselves out of games over a twinge. Some of these guys don't exactly fight to get back on the field. Unless Frazier is having a daily migrane, and maybe he is, who knows, then take your medication and be available.
That last sentence is ridiculous. There is no consistent outcome with a concussion. It isn't like you sprained your ankle and there is a 4 week recovery period. What medication gets rid of a concussion and concussion like symptoms. It isn't as easy as taking a pill. Holy shit. Rip on Elsbury for taking this long year after year. But getting om a guy that is suffering from concussion like symptoms is just ridiculius. There is no standard timetable.
Quote:
and I am glad Frazier went after him. With that said, I have a close friend who is pretty close with a couple of the Yankees and I have been hearing since Spring Training that Frazier is not a popular guy in the clubhouse and that they have been whispers that people think he is taking much longer than necessary from coming back with the concussion. Now, I am not Clint Frazier's doctor and I have no idea if that is accurate or not, all I am saying is that I am not sure this is a Tampa thing as opposed to something Kay is hearing from the players up north.
I have no doubt that there are players that milk injuries, but when it comes to nebulous type symptoms like post concussion syndrome we should tread carefully. Mike Francessa always brings up the classic example of not questioning an injury- the old Astros pitcher JR Richard from the 70's was accused of milking an injury and being "lazy" and then he had a stroke in the bullpen.
I totally agree with you, I was just passing along the info I had heard from my friend who hangs out with a few of the Yanks. He has been telling me this from spring training that Frazier is not popular in the clubhouse and that there have been player concerns about his coming back from this concussion. Player concerns, to me, is irrelevant. The doctor and Clint Frazier are the only people that matter in this instance and I have absolutely zero information on that score. So, my only point was that I am not sure Kay is getting fed this information from Tampa when I know that players up here share that feeling. Again, it does not mean the players are right and I have never once criticized Frazier for being out too long or milking his injuries. I have not the slightest clue if he or he isn't, and I think with something like a concussion you give the player every benefit of the doubt, which Kay did not do and should have been called out for it. I very much doubt that Kay has spoken to Frazier's medical personnel about Frazier's medical condition.
Kay is a putz but he has a point proving even a broken clock is right twice a day. Ballplayers have gotten soft; it's a problem across MLB. It takes these guys weeks or months to come back from a sore this or a twinged that, they take themselves out of games over a twinge. Some of these guys don't exactly fight to get back on the field. Unless Frazier is having a daily migrane, and maybe he is, who knows, then take your medication and be available.
Good lord. I swear, every post I read of yours lately gets worse and worse.
Head injuries are serious. You don't think Clint Frazier wants to be on the field right now? He has a chance to play nearly every single day right now. It's probably killing him that he can't. The idea that he just needs to "take his medication and be available" is fucking heinous.
What an absolutely ridiculous take.
That is probably true but Sanchez has a history there and Boone did say that night that the groing shouldn't have been a problem. So, you are probably right but there was some smoke there with Sanchez. But this is becoming too much of a theme amd, imo, it is disgusting.
Verified account
@RealMichaelKay
Michael Kay Retweeted Clint Frazier
Clint, I would never question someone's injury. Never. In fact, I have gone out of my way to say how I felt for you this year and how badly I know how you want to play. It is beyond my comprehension that you would think I would minimize what you are going through.
Truth.
To quote Winslow from Sneaky Pete, "You know how a lot of people say 'I hate to say I told you so'? Well, I loooooove to say I told you so." Most of us saw this fiasco coming the second that deal was announced. What a massive blunder that was, and it was so obvious that it would be awful.
Verified account
@RealMichaelKay
Michael Kay Retweeted Clint Frazier
Clint, I would never question someone's injury. Never. In fact, I have gone out of my way to say how I felt for you this year and how badly I know how you want to play. It is beyond my comprehension that you would think I would minimize what you are going through.
he said "shame on Clint Frazier for not getting healthy," not sure how that can be squared with his newly-minted tweet. Kay is a joke
Verified account
@RealMichaelKay
Michael Kay Retweeted Clint Frazier
Clint, I would never question someone's injury. Never. In fact, I have gone out of my way to say how I felt for you this year and how badly I know how you want to play. It is beyond my comprehension that you would think I would minimize what you are going through.
Kay is awful. That sounds like an "I'm sorry you misunderstood me" kind of apology.
Collecting 60-70% of the contract via insurance is worth way more to them than what little performance he is likely to manage on the field.
I actually think he does a decent job on Centerstage. He's a terrible baseball announcer, though, and a pathetic shill for certain members of the front office.
Anakim : 9:41 am : link : reply
He isn't the best and certainly not as entertaining as Francesa, but I find him a lot more pleasant than Francesa. Just seems like a more genuine, nicer, less arrogant individual.
I'll preface this by saying I've never gotten feedback on Francesa, but everything I've heard about Kay has been terrible.
My sister's firm terminated him as a client because he was such an ass to deal with.
Clubhouse guys tell stories about him berating people for not knowing who he is and then going above them to get them reprimanded or fired.
One of the trainers said he would belittle them as "meaningless".
Mike F. seems like he could be an ass too, but I've never heard anything about him.
Quote:
Kay is whatever
Anakim : 9:41 am : link : reply
He isn't the best and certainly not as entertaining as Francesa, but I find him a lot more pleasant than Francesa. Just seems like a more genuine, nicer, less arrogant individual.
I'll preface this by saying I've never gotten feedback on Francesa, but everything I've heard about Kay has been terrible.
My sister's firm terminated him as a client because he was such an ass to deal with.
Clubhouse guys tell stories about him berating people for not knowing who he is and then going above them to get them reprimanded or fired.
One of the trainers said he would belittle them as "meaningless".
Mike F. seems like he could be an ass too, but I've never heard anything about him.
Fair enough. I don't know either of them personally, but Kay does treat his callers with more respect than Francesa does to his. It definitely could be lip service or pandering, though.
Quote:
Quote:
Kay is whatever
Anakim : 9:41 am : link : reply
He isn't the best and certainly not as entertaining as Francesa, but I find him a lot more pleasant than Francesa. Just seems like a more genuine, nicer, less arrogant individual.
I'll preface this by saying I've never gotten feedback on Francesa, but everything I've heard about Kay has been terrible.
My sister's firm terminated him as a client because he was such an ass to deal with.
Clubhouse guys tell stories about him berating people for not knowing who he is and then going above them to get them reprimanded or fired.
One of the trainers said he would belittle them as "meaningless".
Mike F. seems like he could be an ass too, but I've never heard anything about him.
Fair enough. I don't know either of them personally, but Kay does treat his callers with more respect than Francesa does to his. It definitely could be lip service or pandering, though.
he does? last week he called them all imbeciles
With the Frazier thing, some guys are more prone to injuries. It's not necessarily a toughness aspect. I wouldn't know, but hard to imagine Frazier does not want to be out there given the opportunity with guys going down.
He sometimes talks as if he is better than everyone else. I don't like his voice either. Being a yankees fan and my interest in listening to LaGreca, I'm forced to listen to this guy's voice way more than I'd like to.
Would not be upset at all if they got someone else in there, but can't see that happening.
Suzyn's color commentary is shit. She talked about how Chance Adams was a reliever who had been stretched out to start that game in Boston. In the last two plus years he has relieved ONCE and I'm pretty sure that was a piggyback start. He relieved in college but they drafted him with the express intention of trying him at starting.
Sterling's homerun calls are what they are. The problem is that it's not just his attention that has ebbed, it's his ability to actually follow a game. The only way you can tell the fate of a long fly ball is to listen to the crowd noise.
Kay should do some research before calling people out.
Link - ( New Window )