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| Former Giants coach Ben McAdoo told Davis Webb last season that he planned to start the rookie quarterback for the final three games, Webb told WFAN on Tuesday. Of course, the Giants fired McAdoo before he had the chance to implement his plan. Talking to Chris Carlin and Maggie Gray, Webb said he was doing film breakdowns in November for Geno Smith, whom McAdoo had just named the starting QB for the upcoming game against Oakland, ending Eli Manning's 210-game starting streak. Then, "...Coach McAdoo walked in and said, 'Hey, the next three weeks, you're in,'" Webb said at Giants training camp in East Rutherford, New Jersey. |
McAdoo led this team to the playoffs in his first year. Then the team is decimated in 2017 by injuries, partly caused by Eli's inaccurate hospital balls, and Giants fans scapegoat McAdoo.
I have a thought experiment: if Geno or Webb play all of 2017 in place of Eli, OBJ is likely never injured, we win more than 3 games before saving 22 million for FAs by cutting Eli.
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and burned faster and harder than McAdoo? It's like the whole thing started to unravel early on, and it went down in flames faster than a 747 with no engines.
McAdoo led this team to the playoffs in his first year. Then the team is decimated in 2017 by injuries, partly caused by Eli's inaccurate hospital balls, and Giants fans scapegoat McAdoo.
I have a thought experiment: if Geno or Webb play all of 2017 in place of Eli, OBJ is likely never injured, we win more than 3 games before saving 22 million for FAs by cutting Eli.
Correct - good team in 16 goes into full tailspin, resulting in the Giants dismissing a coach in mid season for the first time in ages.
He had definitely lost the team though - and pretty badly, by all accounts. I can't remember the last time things went so bad, so quickly for an NFL coach.
An avid Webb I know said he hasn’t been good in camp so far. Thinks with a year, Lauletta will pass him soon.
Josh McDaniels, maybe. Won his first 6 games as head coach, then went 5-17 the rest of his tenure and was fired with 4 games remaining in his second season.
As others have said, the reaction would have been 1000% less severe if the Giants had come out at any point and just said this was really about seeing Davis Webb. They never did, so the whole thing left people thinking this was just bungled management from top to bottom and that the idea really was to evaluate Geno Smith.
I do wonder if "you're in" may have meant more that they would be getting him into the game, though not necessarily starting. Given that they hadn't gotten him ANY practice reps, that certainly seems more plausible to me.
I have a thought experiment: if Geno or Webb play all of 2017 in place of Eli, OBJ is likely never injured, we win more than 3 games before saving 22 million for FAs by cutting Eli.
So the WR's were injured because of Eli? "Inaccurate hospital balls"
There are balls in this thread- the ones you're sucking.
he should have just waited till the next game when of course Eli would have made another throw that turn into pick 6
and then took him out of the game ..
Someone please tell me if this is a parody post. It's getting so hard to tell.
1. Eli was completely sandbagged by the announcement that he would be benched
2. Eli was forced to answer questions about it in front of his locker while his moron teammates (I remember dipshit JPP being one of them) laughed like idiots in the background. Besides the disrespect for a guy that has done more than all of them combined, it was telling that the locker room for a 2-9 team sounded like a fucking frat party.
I have no problem with benching any player at any time - no one on a 2-9 team should feel safe in their jobs. McAdoo wasn't there for the good years so it's understandable to an extent that he wouldn't hold Eli to a particularly high esteem.
Eli wasn't above benching, but he deserved better than the way it was handled - and the guys that should have ensured he was treated with the respect he deserved were Mara and Reese. They failed, and for me as a fan the whole episode degraded my confidence in ownership.
McAdoo was horrific last year, but I lay the blame at the players' (many of whom are still here) feet more than I do on him. Last year with the Giants was as bad a sports fan experience as I've ever had. I'm hoping for a good end to Eli's career, but I couldn't give a shit about any of the other players that were on the team last year. There isn't a single player from that group I'll miss when they're gone.
If that happened, he should have seen 2nd half action against both the Rams and 49ers.
Instead of the whole debacle with Geno, the Giants could have announced as an organization, that due to the opportunity to evaluate a young QB, Eli's last start of the streak would be @ home vs. Philly.
Webb would have had 2 full games on tape. The streak would have ended with dignity.
But it is what it is, it's in the past now.
Bobby Hart, too.
Such an historically unlikable team last year.
'12/20/17: The Giants finally gave Webb first-team work in practice for the first time since the start of the regular season.'
Yet he was being groomed to start at some point.
If Webb is the great talent so many believe, wouldn't that have been risky for Eli if he lit up the field? The strategy win or lose is to ride Eli and horse into retirement. By then, Webb will have neck issues from looking down at the clipboard.
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Eli was forced to answer questions about it in front of his locker while his moron teammates (I remember dipshit JPP being one of them) laughed like idiots in the background. Besides the disrespect for a guy that has done more than all of them combined, it was telling that the locker room for a 2-9 team sounded like a fucking frat party.
Bobby Hart, too.
Such an historically unlikable team last year.
The 2017 Giants can be summed up by the fact that they were so shitty it took them into the 4th quarter of the 3rd game to score their second TD of the season. And yet despite that incompetence they incurred unsportsmanlike conduct penalties on both of those TDs. Neither of those TDs gave them a lead, by the way.
Just a team of losers.
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and burned faster and harder than McAdoo? It's like the whole thing started to unravel early on, and it went down in flames faster than a 747 with no engines.
McAdoo led this team to the playoffs in his first year. Then the team is decimated in 2017 by injuries, partly caused by Eli's inaccurate hospital balls, and Giants fans scapegoat McAdoo.
I have a thought experiment: if Geno or Webb play all of 2017 in place of Eli, OBJ is likely never injured, we win more than 3 games before saving 22 million for FAs by cutting Eli.
This guy has got to be a dupe of the idiot who used to consistently argue that Eli was getting all our WR injured.
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and burned faster and harder than McAdoo? It's like the whole thing started to unravel early on, and it went down in flames faster than a 747 with no engines.
McAdoo led this team to the playoffs in his first year. Then the team is decimated in 2017 by injuries, partly caused by Eli's inaccurate hospital balls, and Giants fans scapegoat McAdoo.
I have a thought experiment: if Geno or Webb play all of 2017 in place of Eli, OBJ is likely never injured, we win more than 3 games before saving 22 million for FAs by cutting Eli.
Idiotic. Don’t post on a football thread again.
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Eli was forced to answer questions about it in front of his locker while his moron teammates (I remember dipshit JPP being one of them) laughed like idiots in the background. Besides the disrespect for a guy that has done more than all of them combined, it was telling that the locker room for a 2-9 team sounded like a fucking frat party.
Bobby Hart, too.
Such an historically unlikable team last year.
The 2017 Giants can be summed up by the fact that they were so shitty it took them into the 4th quarter of the 3rd game to score their second TD of the season. And yet despite that incompetence they incurred unsportsmanlike conduct penalties on both of those TDs. Neither of those TDs gave them a lead, by the way.
Just a team of losers.
They also didn't get their first rushing TD until October 1st, which was a 14 yard rushing TD by... Eli.
Just a team of losers.
Off the top of my head, are you referring to rookie Evan Engram scoring his first NFL TD...and proceeding to grab his crotch?
Let's hope that kind of shit is behind him.
A fucking trainwreck.
Les in TO : 3:32 pm : link : reply
bad the Eli Fanboy social media mob forced Jints Central (TM - bw in dc) to start Eli for those last four meaningless games of the season. the right thing to do for the team would have been to see what Webb had as a starter, given the only implications of those remaining games were draft position.
A fucking trainwreck.
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Les in TO : 3:32 pm : link : reply
bad the Eli Fanboy social media mob forced Jints Central (TM - bw in dc) to start Eli for those last four meaningless games of the season. the right thing to do for the team would have been to see what Webb had as a starter, given the only implications of those remaining games were draft position.
The craziest part in all of this is that I think the majority of fans agreed with playing Webb...even after the whole Eli fiasco. As I said above, the big issue seemed to be that they put Geno in and didn't seem to have any plan to get Webb ready. So just kind of mind boggling that after all the other ways Mara and the Giants whiffed on this, that they also didn't realize that by simply saying Eli is still our guy, but the plan is to get Webb in to get a look at him...they probably defuse the situation greatly.
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The 2017 Giants can be summed up by the fact that they were so shitty it took them into the 4th quarter of the 3rd game to score their second TD of the season. And yet despite that incompetence they incurred unsportsmanlike conduct penalties on both of those TDs. Neither of those TDs gave them a lead, by the way.
Just a team of losers.
Off the top of my head, are you referring to rookie Evan Engram scoring his first NFL TD...and proceeding to grab his crotch?
Let's hope that kind of shit is behind him.
Engram said that sort of thing wouldn't happen again, and it didn't as far as I can recall. Let's hope that continues. He was one of the many guys that were playing hard until the bitter end.
I get where Terps is coming from and largely feel the same way, but I'm not ready to dismiss every guy on last year's roster not named Eli Manning, simply for being on the roster. Too many guys quit, but far from all of them.
McAdoo was horrific last year, but I lay the blame at the players' (many of whom are still here) feet more than I do on him.
That's a kind of an odd statement. I personally don't blame Bobby Hart for ruining the season. I blame the idiots that thought it was a not only a good idea to draft and roster him for multiple seasons but declare him the starting RT. Parse that between Mcadoo/Reese/Mara however but it's not on the players for signing themselves and under-investing in critical places.
2. It would have been fine to start Eli and say nothing to him and if the Giants fell behind and the offense was doing nothing to take Eli out of the game and see what the rookie has.
3. It would have never been fine to bench Eli Manning for Geno Smith who is Geno Smith and was a free agent when the season ended.
4. It would never have been fine to pre determine that Eli would come out at half time no matter what the score was to keep his streak alive.
Some combination of Mara, Reese & McAdoo decided on 3 & 4. All three of them deserve everything that's been said about them for doing that.
2. It would have been fine to start Eli and say nothing to him and if the Giants fell behind and the offense was doing nothing to take Eli out of the game and see what the rookie has.
3. It would have never been fine to bench Eli Manning for Geno Smith who is Geno Smith and was a free agent when the season ended.
4. It would never have been fine to pre determine that Eli would come out at half time no matter what the score was to keep his streak alive.
Some combination of Mara, Reese & McAdoo decided on 3 & 4. All three of them deserve everything that's been said about them for doing that.
This is a good and reasonable post, and I'd like to talk about #2 specifically...
This is standard operating procedure for how to work a rookie in to let him see live action, and is pretty much how every team does it.
Why there needed to be a "plan" to begin with is why McAdoo was an incompetent boob.
Eli keeps his streak, which he has earned, and Webb gets meaningful reps. Win/win, everybody is happy.
A fucking trainwreck.
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Les in TO : 3:32 pm : link : reply
bad the Eli Fanboy social media mob forced Jints Central (TM - bw in dc) to start Eli for those last four meaningless games of the season. the right thing to do for the team would have been to see what Webb had as a starter, given the only implications of those remaining games were draft position.
an eli fanboy is someone who irrationally puts their love of Eli ahead of the love of the Giants. you can be a fan of Eli and also recognize that when the Giants are eliminated from playoff contention, Eli is past the age of normal expiry date for QBs not named Tom Brady or Warren Moon , and there is a reasonable chance the Giants would have a top pick in what was regarded as a strong QB class, there is every reason to give Webb some meaningful action to see what we've got. a lot of BBIers fall into this Eli fan, not fanboy, category and I have no issues with them.
however, there is a vocal mob of Eli fanboy posters who feel that Eli and Eli alone gets to decide when to retire and that all issues with the team are the fault of his receivers, backs, line, coaching, defense, Reese, Ross etc. ...any views to the contrary are seen as "bashing" their God and gets attacked with religious fervor.
2. It would have been fine to start Eli and say nothing to him and if the Giants fell behind and the offense was doing nothing to take Eli out of the game and see what the rookie has.
3. It would have never been fine to bench Eli Manning for Geno Smith who is Geno Smith and was a free agent when the season ended.
4. It would never have been fine to pre determine that Eli would come out at half time no matter what the score was to keep his streak alive.
Some combination of Mara, Reese & McAdoo decided on 3 & 4. All three of them deserve everything that's been said about them for doing that.
Is either Webb or Smith full of it?
He wasn't ready, which was reflected directly by the fact that they guy didn't take a single snap with the 1st team well into December, nor was he ever elevated to second on the depth chart.
He wasn't ready. But I know that is also lost on some.
Eli Manning hadn't missed a start since high school or college, so we're talking like 20 years without missing a start, and he's a healthy scratch for Geno Smith.
Yes.. "He who shall not be named"
Sometimes finding fault with the players is the whole point.
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Is Mcadoo broke Eli's historic iron man streak for Geno f*cking Smith.
Eli Manning hadn't missed a start since high school or college, so we're talking like 20 years without missing a start, and he's a healthy scratch for Geno Smith.
So when he was a backup his freshman year at Ole Miss, and when he redshirted the year before that, that counts as an active streak?
I don't really understand why fiction gets brought into this all the time.
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Is Mcadoo broke Eli's historic iron man streak for Geno f*cking Smith.
Eli Manning hadn't missed a start since high school or college, so we're talking like 20 years without missing a start, and he's a healthy scratch for Geno Smith.
So when he was a backup his freshman year at Ole Miss, and when he redshirted the year before that, that counts as an active streak?
I don't really understand why fiction gets brought into this all the time.
And that's without the 9 games he didn't start as a rookie. In other words, not at all 20 years without missing a start.