Webb: "McAdoo planned to start me final 3 games last year"

In comment 14031895 Britt in VA said:

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Better?

In that case, it's still intact! Better?

In comment 14031856 Coach Red Beaulieu said:

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Is Mcadoo broke Eli's historic iron man streak for Geno f*cking Smith.

As Mara admitted, he talked to Reese on the Monday following the thanksgiving loss to the Skins and wanted to see both Smith and Webb get action for the remaining five games. So you can blame McAdoo for trying to have his cake and eat it too by trying to keep Eli's streak alive, but the decision to have Geno play came right from the top.

The presence of Eli's streak made this a muddy decision. I don't think it's a stretch to say that once the season was lost, the majority of Giants fans wanted to see what Webb could do, just not at the expense of Eli's streak. However, once the streak was broken and McAdoo was fired, they should have found ways to get Webb some playing time.

In comment 14031700 arniefez said:

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and who just lost the coach and GM that drafted him this was an incredible mistake. He's obviously learned nothing being around Eli Manning. The Sons of Wellington will hold this against him forever. He went against the family in public. He just became Fredo.

Think what you are saying is Webb should have kept this story to himself for now at least. Could definitely backfire.

In comment 14031914 TMS said:

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In comment 14031700 arniefez said: Quote: and who just lost the coach and GM that drafted him this was an incredible mistake. He's obviously learned nothing being around Eli Manning. The Sons of Wellington will hold this against him forever. He went against the family in public. He just became Fredo. Think what you are saying is Webb should have kept this story to himself for now at least. Could definitely backfire.

How? The whole idea was to get Webb playing time. I don't even understand why this is a sound byte. He is not saying he is better than Eli.

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His record as a starter is 111-103. Keep in mind that the Giants nearly won the game that Smith started. Smith was 21-34 with 1 TD. He did fumble twice which cost the Giants the game, but he was elusive enough to avoid the constant pressure. Is Smith a good NFL quarterback? No. But he can perform adequately with an incompetent offensive line. The decision to start him was not asinine. I also agree with those who think that Webb was not ready. I would never have pulled Eli at halftime and inserted Webb. The results would have been embarrassing to say the least. With a more competent offensive line, healthy receivers, and Barkley, Eli should do fine this year. As for the future, I am not one who thinks that the next franchise quarterback is currently on the roster.

In comment 14031832 Les in TO said:

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In comment 14031800 FatMan in Charlotte said: Quote: that this fucking guy continues to call people who don't bash Eli "fanboys". A fucking trainwreck. Quote: it's too Les in TO : 3:32 pm : link : reply bad the Eli Fanboy social media mob forced Jints Central (TM - bw in dc) to start Eli for those last four meaningless games of the season. the right thing to do for the team would have been to see what Webb had as a starter, given the only implications of those remaining games were draft position. I see those anger management classes are working well for you. an eli fanboy is someone who irrationally puts their love of Eli ahead of the love of the Giants. you can be a fan of Eli and also recognize that when the Giants are eliminated from playoff contention, Eli is past the age of normal expiry date for QBs not named Tom Brady or Warren Moon , and there is a reasonable chance the Giants would have a top pick in what was regarded as a strong QB class, there is every reason to give Webb some meaningful action to see what we've got. a lot of BBIers fall into this Eli fan, not fanboy, category and I have no issues with them. however, there is a vocal mob of Eli fanboy posters who feel that Eli and Eli alone gets to decide when to retire and that all issues with the team are the fault of his receivers, backs, line, coaching, defense, Reese, Ross etc. ...any views to the contrary are seen as "bashing" their God and gets attacked with religious fervor.

Youre more than equal but opposite, so stone-throwing I’ll becomes you.

*And*you have an errant take. Because it’s manifestly obvious, and 100% chance and was always always the way t was going to be, that they would have taken Barkley with the first pick, as they did with the second. So your top pick comment has exactly zero relevance.

Without devolving into pee wee league name-calling.

but taking a step back and looking at it objectively - it was an impossible situation. Taking over a HOF coach & a legendary Giant QB on the back end of his career. Bound to fail.

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I don't understand this facination with Eli Manning's record GeofromNJ : 6:18 pm : link : reply His record as a starter is 111-103. Keep in mind that the Giants nearly won the game that Smith started. Smith was 21-34 with 1 TD. He did fumble twice which cost the Giants the game, but he was elusive enough to avoid the constant pressure. Is Smith a good NFL quarterback? No. But he can perform adequately with an incompetent offensive line. The decision to start him was not asinine.

They didn't almost beat the Raiders. They were losing by 10 early in the 4th quarter. Geno was directly responsible for the loss and that is ignoring the basic premise - - he shouldn't have started to begin with. It WAS asinine.

If Eli is benched, you don't bring in a useless guy like Geno that provides no glimpse to the future or hope for the present. You bring in Webb.

I'm not even sure how that's debatable?

1) There is a big difference between saying he will start and next three weeks you're in. In where? He hadn't even been taking reps with the scout team.

2) As FatMan just said, starting Geno Smith was a big blunder. First, the season was already over for several weeks, so having the veteran backup no longer made sense. Second, Geno Smith was not an option to start the next season or beyond, so again elevating him in a lost season made no sense. Third, given the lack of weapons and his track record I don't think he gave them a better chance to win a game.

3) To build on that last point and what FatMan mentioned, he was a big reason they lost that game.

4) McAdoo made a mistake from day one by not getting Webb any reps even in the summer. Then, as soon as they were 5 or 6 losses in, not elevating Webb to #2 to start getting reps as a potential starter was more egregious.

In comment 14031800 FatMan in Charlotte said:

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that this fucking guy continues to call people who don't bash Eli "fanboys". A fucking trainwreck. Quote: it's too Les in TO : 3:32 pm : link : reply bad the Eli Fanboy social media mob forced Jints Central (TM - bw in dc) to start Eli for those last four meaningless games of the season. the right thing to do for the team would have been to see what Webb had as a starter, given the only implications of those remaining games were draft position.

Especially sad when you consider Spags exacerbated the problem by still not elevating Webb even to #2. How was Webb going to start when he hadn't even been practicing?

In comment 14031719 BestFeature said:

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Mara buckled to the pressure of the white trash segment of the Giants fan population that wanted Eli in their for sentimental reasons? Honestly, I can't imagine anyone with half a brain that would want Eli to play meaningless games over Webb. And don't tell me Webb wasn't ready. You learn on the field.

At that point it had nothing to do with sentiment. Eli was the only QB who served any purpose. He was the only one who both gave them a chance to win and was prepared to play. Geno was practicing but half the QB Eli is and Webb hadn't practiced all year.

Mara hasn’t gotten nearly enough shit for this whole debacle.

Mara hired mcadoo. Never forget that. What we don’t know is how badly MARA fuct up the whole qb during and immediately after the mcadoo “decision.”

I’ve moved on I have no choice. And I can rationalize the giants decision to eschew the first round qb for Barkley. Shurmur move... fine....But I still wonder how badly John Mara handled things here last season. The whole thing just looked like amateur hour and that’s being kind.

There’s no excuse for last season, specifically last November.

In comment 14031905 Gatorade Dunk said:

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In comment 14031895 Britt in VA said: Quote: Better? In that case, it's still intact! Better?

You're being obtuse.

From the moment he was given the starting job in HS, he never missed a start until he graduated.

From the moment he was given the starting job in College, he didn't miss a start until he graduated.

From the moment he was given the job as the Giants starting job, he didn't miss a start for 14 years.

If you refuse to see the significance of that, or think that's somehow "fiction", then it's not worth discussing.

The satisfaction that he's going to start the next two years (at least), knowing how badly that burns some of you up along with passing on QB at two, makes it all worth it.

In comment 14031965 djm said:

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Mara hasn’t gotten nearly enough shit for this whole debacle. Mara hired mcadoo. Never forget that. What we don’t know is how badly MARA fuct up the whole qb during and immediately after the mcadoo “decision.” I’ve moved on I have no choice. And I can rationalize the giants decision to eschew the first round qb for Barkley. Shurmur move... fine....But I still wonder how badly John Mara handled things here last season. The whole thing just looked like amateur hour and that’s being kind. There’s no excuse for last season, specifically last November.

Very well said.

They were disrespectful because on a practice day the locker room was noisy while Eli was being interviewed?

Yikes! He s the quarterback of a 3 -13 team, and shared in the blame for that record. It was the right move to bench him. I doubt very much if other NFL players hold Eli in the same reverant manner as you do.

The locker room is always noisy during these week day interviews. I m sure many there felt his benching was over due.

It s about winning, not number of games played without missing. The past 6 seasons that streak was compromised of many losses and bad offensive performances.

Your post is very revealing of a type of loyalty I have rarely seen for a Giants player.

In comment 14031966 Britt in VA said:

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In comment 14031905 Gatorade Dunk said: Quote: In comment 14031895 Britt in VA said: Quote: Better? In that case, it's still intact! Better? You're being obtuse. From the moment he was given the starting job in HS, he never missed a start until he graduated. From the moment he was given the starting job in College, he didn't miss a start until he graduated. From the moment he was given the job as the Giants starting job, he didn't miss a start for 14 years. If you refuse to see the significance of that, or think that's somehow "fiction", then it's not worth discussing.

Right, I'm obtuse. If that's the best you can do when you get called out on your bullshit, I'll take it.

20 years. Hahahaha.

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to make sure they assign blame to the correct person. I don’t care who’s fault any of it was. Hopefully the biggest problems are off the team. Mara getting more heat doesn’t actually do anything. What’s he going to do, sell the team out of embarrassment?

Mara hasn’t gotten nearly the blame he earned. His paws were all over the gutless mess that occurred last season.

In comment 14031979 Britt in VA said:

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And I will. I'm a GIANTS fan. I root for every single player on the roster. I just don't build a shrine to one individual player like some do.

And it's two. Hard stop. That's the remainder of his contract. You might want to start coming to terms with that now because I suspect it'll take you a while.

In comment 14031966 Britt in VA said:

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In comment 14031905 Gatorade Dunk said: Quote: In comment 14031895 Britt in VA said: Quote: Better? In that case, it's still intact! Better? You're being obtuse. From the moment he was given the starting job in HS, he never missed a start until he graduated. From the moment he was given the starting job in College, he didn't miss a start until he graduated. From the moment he was given the job as the Giants starting job, he didn't miss a start for 14 years. If you refuse to see the significance of that, or think that's somehow "fiction", then it's not worth discussing.

durability is an important table stakes aspect of being successful and on that front Eli gets an A+. The key words being table stakes. Accuracy, arm strength, vision, brains athleticism footwork and heart are all aspects of success assuming the QB shows up consistently.

In comment 14031719 BestFeature said:

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Mara buckled to the pressure of the white trash segment of the Giants fan population that wanted Eli in their for sentimental reasons?

Dep...are you just going to sit there and let this guy call you white trash?

I'm more disappointed to hear him say that he watches "The Bachelor" than anything else he said.

But to the larger point. This is a new season with a new staff and some exciting new young players. Why do fans want to kick this old dead horse around? Just be happy McAdoo is in the rear view mirror and get ready to enjoy the new season. Go Giants!

In comment 14031971 Britt in VA said:

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The satisfaction that he's going to start the next two years (at least), knowing how badly that burns some of you up along with passing on QB at two, makes it all worth it.

Wow! What a revealing post this is.

We are ALL Giants fans and we ALL want the Giants to win every game they play. And that means rooting for ALL their players to do well.

Before the draft I wanted the Giants to draft a QB, but I never felt any animosity towards those who disagreed and wanted Barkley or some other non-QB. I just felt they had a different take on how OUR team could improve. We had spirited pre-draft discussions on BBI and then the Giants made their choice.

But it's pretty clear by this post (and other posts) that Britt is holding a grudge against any BBIer who ever said a mean thing about his beloved Eli. As if making the observations that Eli hasn't played well recently and that he's also 37 are intended as personal insults to Eli's #1 fan.

I hope the Giants do well this year, but you should probably enjoy Eli while you still can. My guess is that with a tough first half of the season schedule the Giants will lose more than they win and Webb will take over in November. Then Eli will be cut at the end of the year.

And if that does happen I assure you the one thought that will never cross my mind is… “knowing how badly this burns Britt in VA makes it all worth it”.

In comment 14031700 arniefez said:

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and who just lost the coach and GM that drafted him this was an incredible mistake. He's obviously learned nothing being around Eli Manning. The Sons of Wellington will hold this against him forever. He went against the family in public. He just became Fredo.

I am having trouble understanding this post.

You should've been here last December...

In comment 14032072 schabadoo said:

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You should've been here last December...

It goes without saying that once the Giants are officially eliminated (like last year) that rooting for draft position is acceptable.

In comment 14031971 Britt in VA said:

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The satisfaction that he's going to start the next two years (at least), knowing how badly that burns some of you up along with passing on QB at two, makes it all worth it.

You simply couldn’t hold it back, could you?. I was actually about to post an add-on to one of your reasonable and objective comments above until I read this stupid uncalled for post.

You openly make the above asinine remarks to stupidly show your clear bias in an attempt to demean everybody that disagrees with your opinions. We haven’t even played a snap this season but the fact that Eli is the de facto starter is enough for you to take some ridiculous victory lap around BBI?? Our record is 0-0 but you are correct and everybody else is wrong.

What a moron...

In comment 14031965 djm said:

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Mara hasn’t gotten nearly enough shit for this whole debacle. Mara hired mcadoo. Never forget that. What we don’t know is how badly MARA fuct up the whole qb during and immediately after the mcadoo “decision.”

Well, I have.

I have chronicled this Eli ordeal in great detail and blame it all on Mara. He lied his ass off about what he knew. And he was intimately involved with the Eli decision. In fact, I think he helped orchestrate the entire thing. He just gets off the hook because last year was a disaster, he’s the owner, and there was deep McAdoo and Reese fatigue...

In comment 14032060 sb from NYT Forum said:

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In comment 14031700 arniefez said: Quote: and who just lost the coach and GM that drafted him this was an incredible mistake. He's obviously learned nothing being around Eli Manning. The Sons of Wellington will hold this against him forever. He went against the family in public. He just became Fredo. I am having trouble understanding this post.

He's saying that Webb's dad was a football coach (who presumably knows organizational politics), and the regime that drafted Webb (Reese and McAdoo) are gone and the new regime has no loyalty to him, and still Webb was careless enough to implicate John Mara in the Eli fiasco.

Spot on with the Mara blame. Like I've said before if you're going to fire someone if they get it wrong, you gotta help him do it right.

No one was their perfect self last November. Mara, Reese, Macadoo and even Manning.

Feels like more emotionally mature folks are in charge of football. I hope that brings out better in Mara.

On the field I really hope Manning plays a ton better and the team is in contention for a championship. I don't think he has it in him -- it would be great to be wrong.

This! Most real fans would have been ok w Eli being benched if there was a real plan like this. The way it went down instead, looked like a clown show. If they handled it properly the fans would have been fine. Except for some of the tools who posted on this thread.

In comment 14031770 Chris684 said:

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After the loss to the Chargers and an 0-5 record, Webb should have been elevated to number 2 QB and increased practice reps. If that happened, he should have seen 2nd half action against both the Rams and 49ers. Instead of the whole debacle with Geno, the Giants could have announced as an organization, that due to the opportunity to evaluate a young QB, Eli's last start of the streak would be @ home vs. Philly. Webb would have had 2 full games on tape. The streak would have ended with dignity. But it is what it is, it's in the past now.

Last year. That doesn’t mean Eli doesn’t deserve blame. A shit ton to go around. Reese and his shitty drafts; Shitty cap management and worse his decisions about the OL. Mara for even hiring McAdoo.

And if any of those who want to lay all the blame or most of it on Eli if you can see that no other coach on the NFL for YEARS runs 3 wides 90 % of the time. Ever? Never mind his mirage coaching job where the defense was the only reason he got 11’wins. The side of the ball that he did nothing to coach.

No one looked good last year. It was a shit show. Its actually amazing that some people can’t admit McAdoo was a shitty coach still

worshippers, and non-Giants fans/only Eli fans and I'm the one that can't hold back.

I've been a Giants fan since 1984, been on this site lurking since 2001 and posting since 2003. All well before Eli Manning.

Just because I can appreciate the career of arguably one of the greatest Giants QB's without trying to prematurely usher it to it's end doesn't make me less of a Giants fan.

Look in the mirror and think about what you post.

In comment 14032086 Jimmy Googs said:

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What a moron...

Irony.

then...

like I said, you go from thread to thread, calling out fanboys and worshippers, unprovoked usually, and then act all offended or shocked when you get the response you're looking for.

the rest of the sharks smell the chum in the water and show up.

What you don't realize is you exhibit the exact behavior that you accuse everybody else of, just the opposite stance.

Have some self awareness, at least.

on Eli I probably chime in and bring some reality to it to either bring them down/up a few notches. But I do both.

Whats really funny is you're one-sided. You try to play it as if you are objective, but you're not, as you simple cannot help in creating posts like you did on this one yesterday. So i chimed in...

In comment 14032195 Jimmy Googs said:

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on Eli I probably chime in and bring some reality to it to either bring them down/up a few notches. But I do both. Whats really funny is you're one-sided. You try to play it as if you are objective, but you're not, as you simple cannot help in creating posts like you did on this one yesterday. So i chimed in...

Bring reality to the situation? What reality?

I know you think I'm tooting my own horn, but I've called this whole thing since mid-season before McAdoo was fired, consistently, including the Giants not valuing QB's as highly graded for the number 2 spot and that the org thought Eli still had something left, and I was a small minority on this site in doing so, while everybody else was speaking in absolutes... "Eli WILL be cut. Eli WILL restructure. Eli WILL be traded, Giants WILL take a QB at 2, blah, blah, blah...."

Which one ended up being reality?

And it wasn't emotion that led me to those conclusions. It was logic.

taking Lauletta, and creating a QB competition with Webb while Eli continued to start. Toot toot.

And while I was wary of the Giants taking a QB at 2, I also said that I would be fine with it (every step of the way) because if they did, I know they would have conviction in taking that guy, that high.

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In comment 14032196 Britt in VA said:

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In comment 14032195 Jimmy Googs said: Quote: on Eli I probably chime in and bring some reality to it to either bring them down/up a few notches. But I do both. Whats really funny is you're one-sided. You try to play it as if you are objective, but you're not, as you simple cannot help in creating posts like you did on this one yesterday. So i chimed in... Bring reality to the situation? What reality? I know you think I'm tooting my own horn, but I've called this whole thing since mid-season before McAdoo was fired, consistently, including the Giants not valuing QB's as highly graded for the number 2 spot and that the org thought Eli still had something left, and I was a small minority on this site in doing so, while everybody else was speaking in absolutes... "Eli WILL be cut. Eli WILL restructure. Eli WILL be traded, Giants WILL take a QB at 2, blah, blah, blah...." Which one ended up being reality? And it wasn't emotion that led me to those conclusions. It was logic.

Was it also logic that caused you to post one of the most aggressive callout threads of the season last year after the Eagles game?

Yeah, you're objective.

In comment 14032194 Britt in VA said:

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the rest of the sharks smell the chum in the water and show up. What you don't realize is you exhibit the exact behavior that you accuse everybody else of, just the opposite stance.

Are you seeking some professional help with this stigma?

In comment 14032200 Gatorade Dunk said:

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In comment 14032196 Britt in VA said: Quote: In comment 14032195 Jimmy Googs said: Quote: on Eli I probably chime in and bring some reality to it to either bring them down/up a few notches. But I do both. Whats really funny is you're one-sided. You try to play it as if you are objective, but you're not, as you simple cannot help in creating posts like you did on this one yesterday. So i chimed in... Bring reality to the situation? What reality? I know you think I'm tooting my own horn, but I've called this whole thing since mid-season before McAdoo was fired, consistently, including the Giants not valuing QB's as highly graded for the number 2 spot and that the org thought Eli still had something left, and I was a small minority on this site in doing so, while everybody else was speaking in absolutes... "Eli WILL be cut. Eli WILL restructure. Eli WILL be traded, Giants WILL take a QB at 2, blah, blah, blah...." Which one ended up being reality? And it wasn't emotion that led me to those conclusions. It was logic. Was it also logic that caused you to post one of the most aggressive callout threads of the season last year after the Eagles game? Yeah, you're objective.

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In comment 14032204 Britt in VA said:

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In comment 14032200 Gatorade Dunk said: Quote: In comment 14032196 Britt in VA said: Quote: In comment 14032195 Jimmy Googs said: Quote: on Eli I probably chime in and bring some reality to it to either bring them down/up a few notches. But I do both. Whats really funny is you're one-sided. You try to play it as if you are objective, but you're not, as you simple cannot help in creating posts like you did on this one yesterday. So i chimed in... Bring reality to the situation? What reality? I know you think I'm tooting my own horn, but I've called this whole thing since mid-season before McAdoo was fired, consistently, including the Giants not valuing QB's as highly graded for the number 2 spot and that the org thought Eli still had something left, and I was a small minority on this site in doing so, while everybody else was speaking in absolutes... "Eli WILL be cut. Eli WILL restructure. Eli WILL be traded, Giants WILL take a QB at 2, blah, blah, blah...." Which one ended up being reality? And it wasn't emotion that led me to those conclusions. It was logic. Was it also logic that caused you to post one of the most aggressive callout threads of the season last year after the Eagles game? Yeah, you're objective. Link - ( New Window )

Look, I'm not saying that you weren't right, but to act like you've only come at the topic from a place of logic rather than emotion is a bold-faced lie.