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| Former Giants coach Ben McAdoo told Davis Webb last season that he planned to start the rookie quarterback for the final three games, Webb told WFAN on Tuesday. Of course, the Giants fired McAdoo before he had the chance to implement his plan. Talking to Chris Carlin and Maggie Gray, Webb said he was doing film breakdowns in November for Geno Smith, whom McAdoo had just named the starting QB for the upcoming game against Oakland, ending Eli Manning's 210-game starting streak. Then, "...Coach McAdoo walked in and said, 'Hey, the next three weeks, you're in,'" Webb said at Giants training camp in East Rutherford, New Jersey. |
In the 2005 game to Carolina, we had 41 yards rushing on 13 attempts. We ran 31 total offensive plays.
By contrast, the Panthers ran the ball 45 times and held a 43 to 17 advantage in TOP!! They had 30% more rushing plays then we had total plays.
Exactly how can you claim the Giants had a running game that day?
In the 2005 game to Carolina, we had 41 yards rushing on 13 attempts. We ran 31 total offensive plays.
By contrast, the Panthers ran the ball 45 times and held a 43 to 17 advantage in TOP!! They had 30% more rushing plays then we had total plays.
Exactly how can you claim the Giants had a running game that day?
Doesn’t fit his narrative.
In the 2005 game to Carolina, we had 41 yards rushing on 13 attempts. We ran 31 total offensive plays.
By contrast, the Panthers ran the ball 45 times and held a 43 to 17 advantage in TOP!! They had 30% more rushing plays then we had total plays.
Exactly how can you claim the Giants had a running game that day?
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talks about when he watched film on Manning the past two years, he saw a guy that didn't want to pay the price anymore. I think he's referring to what we all saw, Eli kind of ducking after throws even when pressure wasn't there. I hope he has recovered from that. Hopefully some semblance of a running game and a healthy OBJ can bring him back.
So less of a physical decline than a mental one.
Is there a QB who wants to pay the price when they throw?more BSPN bulkshit from their new darling Louis Riddick. I am glad he was laughed out the door in his interview.
There's a pretty good example of what he's talking about in the 2011 playoff game at San Fran.
Eli played terribly. Three guys who probably never played another NFL game allowed the Panthers to have free reign in the middle of the field. The Panthers, again with gusto, had 30% more rushing attempts than we had total plays. Don't minimize the magnitude of that stat. We weren't winning that game if Aaron Rodgers played.
Five minutes remained in the game, and the offense never got the ball again. Garcia and Westbrook ran the clock all the way down to zero and Akers kicked the walkoff game winner.
Why are we answering this type of question? What point are you trying to get at? That Eli has never lost a playoff game or something?
It is bizarre that a giants fan wants to point out playoff losses with the implied commentary that the QB ws the reason behind it.
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when the giants did have the ball on offense, instead of giving their defense a breather by sustaining drives or narrowing the deficit, they did nothing. eli turned the ball over 4 times and threw for a measley 113 yards
Eli played terribly. Three guys who probably never played another NFL game allowed the Panthers to have free reign in the middle of the field. The Panthers, again with gusto, had 30% more rushing attempts than we had total plays. Don't minimize the magnitude of that stat. We weren't winning that game if Aaron Rodgers played.
I hate to sound like a broken record, but the Panthers had more rushing plays than we had total plays.
That isn't laying down, it is being dominated by a team who didn't have an entire unit out from injury.
When I play poker with 3 idiot dallas fans i don’t have to say a fucking word. That’s why i love Eli.
2005 is a fun little season that led to the greatest moment in Nfl history. Get the hell over 23-0 already.
Jared Goff has had an eerily similar start to his career as Eli. He was a mess as a rookie then played very well in year two but got his ass kicked in the playoff game. I wonder if Les thinks Goff is hot garbage too. I’d take Goff in a heartbeat.
2005 is a fun little season that led to the greatest moment in Nfl history. Get the hell over 23-0 already.
I don't expect a super bowl victory every season as the standard for whether or not a QB "delivered". in 2002, the Giants lost in the awful wild card game against san Francisco. but that was not due to Kerry Collins. he was excellent,leading the giants in putting up 38 points, and if not for a terrible shockey drop and a botched call by the officials, it was likely a victory and a score in the 40s.
Ask dan Marino or Jim Kelly if they would give back a few playoff wins if it means a SB or 2.
Eli Manning has 2 SB MVP's. He delivered then. And you are using examples from 2005, 2006 and 2008 to say he didn't deliver? So what. Nobody is saying the guy is the best QB ever, even though great ones like Brady and Rodgers even have some clunker playoff games and losses in playoff games.
Eli's been part of 2 SB winners. Are the losses to show he isn't perfect? Who is actually saying that?
You aren't refuting any preconceived notions or arguments here. You are basically doing what you often do - entering a thread and calling people fanboys while pointing out Eli's negative play. And the question remains each time - Why?
How did Kerry Collins deliver in Super Bowl 35?
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I don't expect a super bowl victory every season as the standard for whether or not a QB "delivered". in 2002, the Giants lost in the awful wild card game against san Francisco. but that was not due to Kerry Collins. he was excellent,leading the giants in putting up 38 points.
How did Kerry Collins deliver in Super Bowl 35?
Ouch.
Anyway, we're somehow conflating two arguments here: what's best at QB for the Giants moving forward (which is a valid debate) and the idea that Eli doesn't deserve the accolades his "fanboys" lavish on him. And for the latter, what's the point? To prove that a player on your favorite team isn't as accomplished as other fans think he is? To prove that certain fans can be a little bit irrational about their favorite players? Whatever floats your boat, I guess. Anyway, is it so unusual or horrific to be a steadfast fan of a player that has brought you great memories, even if you end up overrating his value? Don't see how that's any worse than over-emphasizing the times a player failed to deliver compared to when, you know, he did it. All the way. Twice.
Great. Want to go back on that season game by game and see how wonderful Kerry Collins truly was? Spoiler alert— he was the very embodiment of average. Tiki, shockey and toomer were brilliant that season save for a few too many tiki fumbles. Collins was a caretaker who hitched a ride. Good for him. He’s no Eli Manning.
A point. No one knows what it is yet though...
For me (not that anyone should really care), it's great to learn more about the game, bounce ideas, form perspectives, and take that knowledge into how I watch the game. Football is immensely more enjoyable for me because of BBI.
I learned when I was a kid and my "favorite" player Phil Simms got hurt and some dude I didn't even know who looked like Burt Reynolds to me took the team to the mountain top, that I rooted for the laundry not the player. 25 was just as exciting as any of the others.
As a middle aged guy, I hope I am wise enough to understand it's still the same game and same pleasure to enjoy the team winning, regardless of the characters in the laundry. I don't love knowing some of them are jerks, but it doesn't make (much) of a difference if the guy who scores is my "favorite" or an asshole 23-year-old I don't know much about.
The only thing I kind of cringe at during these discussions is when it turns into a pissing match of I was right you are wrong and I'm going to enjoy beating my chest because I essentially guessed the outcome. That's a weird take to me.
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I don't expect a super bowl victory every season as the standard for whether or not a QB "delivered". in 2002, the Giants lost in the awful wild card game against san Francisco. but that was not due to Kerry Collins. he was excellent,leading the giants in putting up 38 points, and if not for a terrible shockey drop and a botched call by the officials, it was likely a victory and a score in the 40s.
Eli Manning has 2 SB MVP's. He delivered then. And you are using examples from 2005, 2006 and 2008 to say he didn't deliver? So what. Nobody is saying the guy is the best QB ever, even though great ones like Brady and Rodgers even have some clunker playoff games and losses in playoff games.
Eli's been part of 2 SB winners. Are the losses to show he isn't perfect? Who is actually saying that?
You aren't refuting any preconceived notions or arguments here. You are basically doing what you often do - entering a thread and calling people fanboys while pointing out Eli's negative play. And the question remains each time - Why?
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I don't expect a super bowl victory every season as the standard for whether or not a QB "delivered". in 2002, the Giants lost in the awful wild card game against san Francisco. but that was not due to Kerry Collins. he was excellent,leading the giants in putting up 38 points.
How did Kerry Collins deliver in Super Bowl 35?
Ouch.
See, that loss should burn you. But it doesn't, because you're an Eli fan above a Giants fan. And that's just as weird a dynamic as those who you seem to think are rooting against #10. It's actually really bizarre.
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I don't expect a super bowl victory every season as the standard for whether or not a QB "delivered". in 2002, the Giants lost in the awful wild card game against san Francisco. but that was not due to Kerry Collins. he was excellent,leading the giants in putting up 38 points.
How did Kerry Collins deliver in Super Bowl 35?
Ouch.
See, that loss should burn you. But it doesn't, because you're an Eli fan above a Giants fan. And that's just as weird a dynamic as those who you seem to think are rooting against #10. It's actually really bizarre.
Or....That loss and some really other terrible ones burned many of us for long time. Right up until Eli Manning erased it with an incredible playoff run ending in the most amazing thing I've ever watched as a sports fan. So yeah...am I an Eli Fanboy? You bet your ass I am. Better question is why aren't you?
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I don't expect a super bowl victory every season as the standard for whether or not a QB "delivered". in 2002, the Giants lost in the awful wild card game against san Francisco. but that was not due to Kerry Collins. he was excellent,leading the giants in putting up 38 points.
How did Kerry Collins deliver in Super Bowl 35?
Ouch.
See, that loss should burn you. But it doesn't, because you're an Eli fan above a Giants fan. And that's just as weird a dynamic as those who you seem to think are rooting against #10. It's actually really bizarre.
You're god damned right that loss burned me. Are you kidding? It didn't because I'm an Eli fanboy? I didn't even know who Eli was when that loss happened. I can picture everything about that loss like yesterday, can you? I was just starting to date my now wife, and I made an ass of myself by smashing a bottle of champagne that we had bought earlier that day in case the Giants won against a brick wall outside her and her roommates apartment. I watched the 4th quarter by myself in her bedroom, drunk and angry. I jokingly (but seriously) boycotted Eddy's Ice Cream for a year because they had a Ravens Championship flavor.
And interestingly enough, I loved Kerry Collins! I was, I guess, a Kerry Collins fanboy by today's standards. I would have even been fine drafting Gallery (at the time) and passing on Eli... Can you imagine that?
Hoping Eli and Giants have a successful year...